Couldnt the Romulans have been given fleets and tasked with expanding their presence on New Romulus by building ground based "starbases" with orbiting shipyards similar to the KDF shipyard?
As others have mentioned its sad that the walls arent even completed on New Romulus and already mercenary Romulans are fighting each other.
Face it dan you LIED to us. AGAIN, why should we trust you in anything anymore. You and many others should be fired. You had the perfect set up for the Rommies and BLEW IT! They should not be forced to join Fed or KDF. the battle should be between the Republic and the Star Empire. and that's the choice your toon should make near the begining. You could have gotten back people who had left with this but unlikely now. YOU ARE LOSING PROFIT HERE. I have no incentive to pay for anymore services for this TRIBBLE. You haven't learned, maybe you'll never learn. Hard work means nothing if the product is TRIBBLE.
Face it dan you LIED to us. AGAIN, why should we trust you in anything anymore. You and many others should be fired. You had the perfect set up for the Rommies and BLEW IT! They should not be forced to join Fed or KDF. the battle should be between the Republic and the Star Empire. and that's the choice your toon should make near the begining. You could have gotten back people who had left with this but unlikely now. YOU ARE LOSING PROFIT HERE. I have no incentive to pay for anymore services for this TRIBBLE. You haven't learned, maybe you'll never learn. Hard work means nothing if the product is TRIBBLE.
Dan hasn't lied about anything. While I feel a bit disappointed its not because of what was said in Ask Cryptic, they've been going down this route for months and they made it pretty clear on the forums that this was how a new faction would work. While I am disappointed right now, I am still hopeful that when the content is released I will enjoy it and accept that what Cryptic is doing is for the best.
Dan hasn't lied about anything. While I feel a bit disappointed its not because of what was said in Ask Cryptic, they've been going down this route for months and they made it pretty clear on the forums that this was how a new faction would work. While I am disappointed right now, I am still hopeful that when the content is released I will enjoy it and accept that what Cryptic is doing is for the best.
I'm afraid calling the romulans a 3rd faction when you splinter and actually have join the current 2. Makes that a fake 3rd faction. Therefore a lie. You can't keep calling it something that its not.
Adding romulan ships to lock boxes actually will go against every word that was ever said on that issue on forums and pod casts. As countless times it was said romulan ships would only be for a romulan faction when it's release.
As of what dstahl has said in ask cryptic we still aren't getting a romulan faction. The devs are so out of touch with its player base it's actually pretty ridiculous
Adding romulan ships to lock boxes actually will go against every word that was ever said on that issue on forums and pod casts. As countless times it was said romulan ships would only be for a romulan faction when it's release.
Maybe there will be Lock-Boxes that appear to Romulan players only?
My question is, maybe it was mentioned somewhere already: When the Romulans can join the FED or KDF side, what about the FEDs and KDFs? Do they have access to the whole Romulan Sim City stuff? Sorry I didn't know how to call that.
What end game does the KDF and FED have that is so unique...they both have the same they both helping each other fight the borg...they have nothing special over each other.
Hell I did not expect Cryptic to even give 1-40 content...i was expecting 40-50 and join KDF...hell I did not see a faction coming ever.
and as a KDF player...I rather have had the 1-40 stuff over the end game TRIBBLE...instead of starting from 20-50 having to play as a Fed to unlock the KDF.
The feds and kdf fight for themselves not fight against themselves. Neither get their faction ripped apart.
I agree the kdf needed more content. It was a problem from launch and has remained a problem for over 3 years. So now with romulans they are just doing the problem in reverse. Which actually don't fix the problem, just shifts it too the other end and has forced the '3rd faction' to become part of the current 2. Making a total mockery of them as a faction.
You guys are reading too much into this, as usual. :rolleyes:
No we're not .
The Romulan Republic is a faction.
No they're not .
They get their own storyline missions, ships, etc. All they don't have are specific endgame content (which the others don't have either) and specific Romulan fleets (which may be coming in the future).
No one said that AFAIK .
They may get their own Starbase , but I think that's a pipe dream .
Cryptic had 6+ months to do something .
They ended up cutting a lot of corners . The players who refuse to see that have my sympathies .
New STF's ? YeeeeaaaahhhhNo .
So in the end , if I was a TRUE Romulan fan , I'd take a page from the KDF STO guide book and settle in for the long night and get ready for a long fight to get what you should have gotten in May .
It took the Klingons 3 years .
Use that as a perspective ... -- and remember , the Klingons never lost faith !
(well almost never , but they were dealing with Cryptic ...)
Having said that , there is no guarantee that at the end of that long road a Romulan starbase or a fleet will be waiting for you .
Dan hasn't lied about anything. While I feel a bit disappointed its not because of what was said in Ask Cryptic, they've been going down this route for months and they made it pretty clear on the forums that this was how a new faction would work. While I am disappointed right now, I am still hopeful that when the content is released I will enjoy it and accept that what Cryptic is doing is for the best.
I feel I have to disagree here.
While the Romulan Republic may be a new faction at level 1, for all intents and purposes, it's not a new faction at max level. Dan has said now that you effectively join the FED or KDF faction as an "ally", and queue alongside your FED or KDF buddies for all events, STFs, PVP maps etc. Add to that, you utilize either FED or KDF starbases and social areas.
So let's just call the Romulans a fake faction for now, and leave it at that.
While the Romulan Republic may be a new faction at level 1, for all intents and purposes, it's not a new faction at max level. Dan has said now that you effectively join the FED or KDF faction as an "ally", and queue alongside your FED or KDF buddies for all events, STFs, PVP maps etc. Add to that, you utilize either FED or KDF starbases and social areas.
So let's just call the Romulans a fake faction for now, and leave it at that.
How is this different than how the endgame already works? KDF and FED fight alongside each other.
The pre-endgame is fully unique for the Roms par the Fleet system which is nothing more than a resource sink at any rate, they aren't losing anything interesting by sharing with another faction.
We all knew the Romulan Faction would be half baked just as the KDF is.
Why did this come as a surprise?
Cryptic have been playing catch-up ever since Atari screwed them and along-side that there is a real pressure from PW to return healthy income. So they rush things, introduce gambling items and only fix the most troublesome bugs.
I have a little sympathy for them, but they lack the creativity to deal with the situation hence why instead of seeing something game changing we instead have another half finished race.
The game doesn't even have a relevant crafting system at the moment, you guys knew that the game has been in one long extended beta since the get go, Cryptic have done the best they can within their limited capabilities and skills to keep the thing running in some fashion at least.
It's not the Star Trek MMO most of us wanted but it's the only Oasis in the desert at the moment even if the waters are fetid.
How is this different than how the endgame already works? KDF and FED fight alongside each other.
The pre-endgame is fully unique for the Roms par the Fleet system which is nothing more than a resource sink at any rate, they aren't losing anything interesting by sharing with another faction.
You, and people who agree with you, believe the fleet system is nothing but a resource sink, and that's ok, you're totally allowed to have that opinion and I'm not saying you're wrong. However, I, and others like me, think it's an engaging and important part of endgame gameplay.
Thing is, if they had made a fleet system for romulans, you'd still have the option not to bother while I'd get to have my fun in a fleet. Instead, there's no fleet, so you still don't bother and I don't get the option. You gain nothing and lose nothing either way, while I just lose. Where is the upside to this?
Moving on a bit, while a lot of players don't bother with them, there are these little things called fleet actions, starbase 24, gorn minefield etc. These are faction specific, semi-endgame content that the romulans don't get. Yet another reason why the romulans are not actually a faction.
I, and others like me, think it's an engaging and important part of endgame gameplay.
It would be if it wasn't closed off to a great number of the player base who do not want to join a Mega Fleet or are having a hard time starting their own fleet or moving on with a small fleet because of how Cryptic have failed to create a paradigm for fleet bases where all players regardless of style, play-time and financial input can benefit.
Otherwise it's just a toy of players who like mega fleets or super grinding and not a truly universal module of end-game content, which is a shame.
I have to admit when I came to the game for the first time I really felt that Fleet progression was going to be the thing that kept me coming back to play, that would be the logical extension of all my hard work thus far. So I set up a fleet and got a bunch friends and other players to join. It was good for a time but Season 7 drove most of my fleet members away and now no-one wants to join a T2 fleet so I've given up and barely play the game at all now, unless someone asks me on XMPP to come and play.
You're kinda missing the point, WHY I like fleets and you don't is irrelevant, the point is I do and you lose nothing for me being to play in one.
No my point was that your opinion that it's an integral part of end-game is only relevant to you and others who have realistic access to it.
For the rest of us it may as well not exist. I actually love the fleet idea I hate that the framework and system bars me from participating in it. The point is it wouldn't hurt players in large fleets if those in small fleets got a better deal.
Which is exactly what I said. I like it and have access to it, you don't and plan to ignore it whether it's there or not. So why NOT have it there? This is the problem I'm having, there's no reason not to have romulan fleets.
I never said it was integral to everyone, I said to those who enjoy it it makes for a good part of end game gameplay.
Q: (robertuso) Will a free character slot be provided for the Romulan Republic faction?
Dstahl: Yes, but we haven?t finalized how this will be granted yet.
i can see that i may be difficult to implement one free space to each player with your current start screen layout and i am guessing that as with the other spaces you have so generously provided the free space will be tagged for use by a romulan charactor only.
so heres an idea, you have hinted that we will be getting a fourth playable faction in the future and i am guessing that you will give a free space at that time so i was thinking you may find it easier to implement if you put in two spaces in now but lock one off for future use, it would fit in a lot neater and better with your current format and will be easier to add, with the added benefit that if or when you do when you do add the forth faction you can simply tag the space as for use by that new faction. simples.
this is only a suggestion of course and i am sure you or some other user may have other ideas for wich way to go with this but i just thought i would throw this idea into the mix for your consideration.
p.s. despite all my moans and gripes i still love the game and realy appreciate that you have kindly provided it for us all to enjoy.
this is the only mmorpg that i have played (and i have played a few) that keeps me comming back for more and i can play for more then five minutes without getting bored.
so thank you for that.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Which is exactly what I said. I like it and have access to it, you don't and plan to ignore it whether it's there or not. So why NOT have it there? This is the problem I'm having, there's no reason not to have romulan fleets.
I never said it was integral to everyone, I said to those who enjoy it it makes for a good part of end game gameplay.
With regards to Romulan Fleets they didn't have time to implement them given the schedule probably handed down to them by PW.
They may add it in the future depending on the profit motive.
Those are the clear reasons why they don't have them.
With regards to fleets in general all I am saying is it's a shame that many players don't have realistic access to them precisely because there is such a dearth of end-game content in general.
With regards to fleets in general all I am saying is it's a shame that many players don't have realistic access to them precisely because there is such a dearth of end-game content in general.
I agree with that, I just don't think stopping romulans from having their own fleets is going to help at all.
As for the technical reason, yeah I get that, the problem is they've written themselves in to a corner by letting us join fed/KDF fleets, which means romulans will NEVER get our own fleets since you can't just remove players from their fleets and take away all their hard earned gear. If they'd said 'we didn't have time to add fleets but they'll get released in 6 months, guranteed' it'd be fine, but they didn't. What they did was try and put in a stopgap that's going to make it impossible to add them properly later without pissing off a good amount of the romulan playerbase.
Obviously part of the problem is they had to rush it out to get it there in time for the new movie release, but that doesn't mean from a player perspective it isn't still a kick in the teeth.
With regards to Romulan Fleets they didn't have time to implement them given the schedule probably handed down to them by PW.
They may add it in the future depending on the profit motive.
Those are the clear reasons why they don't have them.
With regards to fleets in general all I am saying is it's a shame that many players don't have realistic access to them precisely because there is such a dearth of end-game content in general.
I agree with that, I just don't think stopping romulans from having their own fleets is going to help at all.
As for the technical reason, yeah I get that, the problem is they've written themselves in to a corner by letting us join fed/KDF fleets, which means romulans will NEVER get our own fleets since you can't just remove players from their fleets and take away all their hard earned gear.
Obviously part of the problem is they had to rush it out to get it there in time for the new movie release, but that doesn't mean from a player perspective it isn't still a kick in the teeth.
Just sums up another poor design concept. They still haven't come up with a solution to an obvious problem identified while beta testing season 6. I'm fortunate to be part of 2 large fleets. Which are near fleet cap. Both are good fun and always very sociable. This now leads me to think that If even half the people in either of them 2 fleets wanted to roll a rom they obviously will want to be with their existing fleets and friends since they are force to join another faction.
Sadly the numbers can't fit because fleet caps are 500. So this is actually likely to be yet another deception to flood lower tier fleets with romulans to help them level up. Poor fix if it is.
I agree with that, I just don't think stopping romulans from having their own fleets is going to help at all.
As for the technical reason, yeah I get that, the problem is they've written themselves in to a corner by letting us join fed/KDF fleets, which means romulans will NEVER get our own fleets since you can't just remove players from their fleets and take away all their hard earned gear. If they'd said 'we didn't have time to add fleets but they'll get released in 6 months, guranteed' it'd be fine, but they didn't. What they did was try and put in a stopgap that's going to make it impossible to add them properly later without pissing off a good amount of the romulan playerbase.
Obviously part of the problem is they had to rush it out to get it there in time for the new movie release, but that doesn't mean from a player perspective it isn't still a kick in the teeth.
Yeah I think that they've said it's an option but I like you am skeptical about that without a guarantee. In addition Cryptic are known for leaving things half baked and beta in STO.
I play very little now but I don't see it as a kick in the teeth, more the gums as they already kicked all my teeth out
Sadly the numbers can't fit because fleet caps are 500. So this is actually likely to be yet another deception to flood lower tier fleets with romulans to help them level up. Poor fix if it is.
Very much agreed. The stated reason, even if we know it's a lie, was so that we wouldn't have to build up another fleet and could use gear from already established ones, but as you said, any fleet that's passed tier 2 is full. In my case, since my main fed fleet is full, if I want to play with my friends I basically have to join KDF and go with our 15 man tier 0 fleet over there. Hardly a well established fleet with tons of spare gear and ships to choose from, hm?
If the team is 'larger than ever' and they're all working a 6-day week and it's still impossible for Cryptic to implement 3 independent factions then don't ever expect them to in the future.
The pace of development needs to be dialled back after this - people need to take breaks and holiday time and work saner hours for a bit. The hard work is appreciated but this 'faction', much like Nomulus, is the best this team can do.
There's no touching the underlying systems for PvP/PvE and there's no new tech going into STO - the game has completely stagnated in that area.
Instead it's just more art assets, more 'Adventure Zones', and more Rep based around an old zone. The new mission content might be nice, but with so much to do in such a short space of time I've a feeling it'll be rushed - we'll see.
But for those of you hoping that Romulus will one day be an independent faction - it's never going to happen - there's simply no reason for Cryptic to do it. And once people have had a chance to play their Romulans for a bit and Cryptic starts releasing new stuff for the Feds, the Romulan players will be left with smaller numbers than the KDF.
Some people are upset that they won't get to play an independent Romulan faction - what makes me shake my head in despair is the waste - all that money, all those hours worked so they can make a big splash on websites about a 'new faction' and underneath, the game remains *exactly the same*
You, and people who agree with you, believe the fleet system is nothing but a resource sink, and that's ok, you're totally allowed to have that opinion and I'm not saying you're wrong. However, I, and others like me, think it's an engaging and important part of endgame gameplay.
I agree, I consider the fleet system engaging and important part of the game and I don't consider it a grind-sink because I don't pressure myself into it. I was curious and looking forward to see how the extrerior of the Romulan starbases would look like, as well as how will they look from the inside with the Romulan aesthetics.
That said, the lack of the above mentioned, doesn't mean that the Republic is not a faction, at least to me.
I agree, I consider the fleet system engaging and important part of the game and I don't consider it a grind-sink because I don't pressure myself into it. I was curious and looking forward to see how the extrerior of the Romulan starbases would look like, as well as how will they look from the inside with the Romulan aesthetics.
That said, the lack of the above mentioned, doesn't mean that the Republic is not a faction, at least to me.
Although, in an odd roundabout way, Cryptic deciding to go down the shared fleet route makes it seem like they also think it is a time and resource grind sink. :P
Face it dan you LIED to us. AGAIN, why should we trust you in anything anymore. You and many others should be fired. You had the perfect set up for the Rommies and BLEW IT! They should not be forced to join Fed or KDF. the battle should be between the Republic and the Star Empire. and that's the choice your toon should make near the begining. You could have gotten back people who had left with this but unlikely now. YOU ARE LOSING PROFIT HERE. I have no incentive to pay for anymore services for this TRIBBLE. You haven't learned, maybe you'll never learn. Hard work means nothing if the product is TRIBBLE.
As I pointed out in my previous reply, I do not think he lied to everyone. Cryptic just needs to make their advertising clearer.
Although, in an odd roundabout way, Cryptic deciding to go down the shared fleet route makes it seem like they also think it is a time and resource grind sink. :P
Only in as much as that they've noticed some smaller fleets have effectively ground to a halt - both the fleets I'm in have - at the rate of progression we're going, it'd take us 20 years to finish the starbases.
Cryptic doesn't want that because it means a large number of players aren't participating at all in the Fleet system - it also complicates adding additional Rep systems - ideally they want us all in big fleets so the load is distributed and everyone keeps contributing.
The real reason Romulans haven't gotten independence and starbases though is two-fold - they don't have the resources to simultaneously develop 3 sets of starbase holdings (in fact, expect to see more faction-agnostic holdings like the embassies because it's a lot less work) and also because they don't have the resources or interest in changing PvE/PvP to accommodate 3+ factions.
what makes me shake my head in despair is the waste - all that money, all those hours worked so they can make a big splash on websites about a 'new faction' and underneath, the game remains *exactly the same*
That is the sad reality hiding under all the marketing hot air.
If the team is 'larger than ever' and they're all working a 6-day week and it's still impossible for Cryptic to implement 3 independent factions then don't ever expect them to in the future.
The pace of development needs to be dialled back after this - people need to take breaks and holiday time and work saner hours for a bit. The hard work is appreciated but this 'faction', much like Nomulus, is the best this team can do.
There's no touching the underlying systems for PvP/PvE and there's no new tech going into STO - the game has completely stagnated in that area.
Instead it's just more art assets, more 'Adventure Zones', and more Rep based around an old zone. The new mission content might be nice, but with so much to do in such a short space of time I've a feeling it'll be rushed - we'll see.
But for those of you hoping that Romulus will one day be an independent faction - it's never going to happen - there's simply no reason for Cryptic to do it. And once people have had a chance to play their Romulans for a bit and Cryptic starts releasing new stuff for the Feds, the Romulan players will be left with smaller numbers than the KDF.
Some people are upset that they won't get to play an independent Romulan faction - what makes me shake my head in despair is the waste - all that money, all those hours worked so they can make a big splash on websites about a 'new faction' and underneath, the game remains *exactly the same*
Very true and well said, this is exactly what it is. They are trying to get more players and more income, greed is all this is about. And working their team to death is making the content quite poor. The last two seasons to a lot of us was complete junk and really didn't bring much if anything to the game except more grind. Even the STF gear is now even harder to get, 600+ Omega Marks and 18K of dilithium for mk XI Borg engines that it took only three to five STF's to do previously.
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Okay, I see some major conundrums with what was said.
You said two different things.
*shakes my head*
Something is not right here.
According to Dstahl's original statement, the Romulan Faction was created 'from the ground up'. If I interpret his statement as it stands, I would think Dstahl is talking about an entirely new Romulan faction. After he made the first statement, Dstahl mentioned that 'everything except for certain levels' will be Romulan exclusive.
Once we hit level ten of the Romulan hierarchy, we are forced to ally ourselves with the Feds or Klingons.
If the player is forced to choose an ally at level ten, the individual's avatar will no longer belong to a Romulan faction. Instead of belonging to an exclusive Romulan faction, the player's avatar will become a Federation-Romulan or a KDF-Romulan.
Something is not right with these statements.
Are we going to get a full or partial Romulan faction?
Does the Romulan faction end at level ten; thus, the ally choice you make determines the avatar's faction?
You answered your own question linyive. But, dstahl is not saying "two things at once". Roms are their own faction, but they do not have starbases. Cryptic doesn't want ppl to have to rebuild new starbases when it is so costly and such a huge investment. And so they made the full faction Rom's dependant on other faction's starbases. Full faction without a starbase. Needing to ally with a like minded faction so they can depend on the protection and resources of their ally's starbase.
The Romulan Republic was created from the ground up as a complete new faction. They have their own backstory, their own exclusive missions and episode series, exclusive costumes, faction-exclusive social hub, unique playable species, a full ship progression line from level 1 to 50, unique HUD UI, and more.What they don?t have are their own Starbases.There are many reasons why we?ve made this decision and here?s one of them.
During one of the episodes in the Romulan Republic storyline, the Federation and Klingon Defense Force will challenge Romulan captains to choose sides in the Federation-Klingon War. This permanent and personal choice forges a very important alliance.Once this decision is made, individual Romulan captains will gain many benefits through their alliance, all the while remaining their own independent faction. Romulans still continue their own independent mission journal and storyline after this choice, remaining neutral within the Romulan faction, but the choice has an impact on their progression towards end-game.
In many ways, Romulans will have the best of two "worlds" ? theirs and their ally?s. Not only do they have their own exclusive stories, ships, and costumes, but they gain many benefits of their ally. This includes access to a variety of their allies? ships, rewards, and hubs. While Romulans can?t wear the actual uniform of their ally, they do gain unique costume options, such as a Romulan Republic/Klingon Uniform variant, for example. So when a Romulan creates a Fleet, they are creating a Fleet that is open to Romulans of a chosen allegiance as well as members of that allegiance. Vice-a-versa, they?re also free to join existing fleets of their chosen ally.
Our goal is to encourage existing Fleets, many of whom have spent countless hours on their Starbases, to stay in business and welcome in New Romulans instead of splintering to go "do it all over again". We want captains to group with Fleet mates who decide to start a Romulan and entice them to ally at end game. This not only works thematically, but it also keeps the conflict focused on the Klingon/Federation War.
TL/DR: ROM's: Full Faction, just need FED or KDF Starbase
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You're ignoring the point that they could be getting his money for both Neverwinter *and* STO.
Couldnt the Romulans have been given fleets and tasked with expanding their presence on New Romulus by building ground based "starbases" with orbiting shipyards similar to the KDF shipyard?
As others have mentioned its sad that the walls arent even completed on New Romulus and already mercenary Romulans are fighting each other.
Dan hasn't lied about anything. While I feel a bit disappointed its not because of what was said in Ask Cryptic, they've been going down this route for months and they made it pretty clear on the forums that this was how a new faction would work. While I am disappointed right now, I am still hopeful that when the content is released I will enjoy it and accept that what Cryptic is doing is for the best.
{UFP}Thomas45 - Thomas Nixon U.S.S. Majesty Unbound
I'm afraid calling the romulans a 3rd faction when you splinter and actually have join the current 2. Makes that a fake 3rd faction. Therefore a lie. You can't keep calling it something that its not.
Adding romulan ships to lock boxes actually will go against every word that was ever said on that issue on forums and pod casts. As countless times it was said romulan ships would only be for a romulan faction when it's release.
As of what dstahl has said in ask cryptic we still aren't getting a romulan faction. The devs are so out of touch with its player base it's actually pretty ridiculous
Maybe there will be Lock-Boxes that appear to Romulan players only?
My question is, maybe it was mentioned somewhere already: When the Romulans can join the FED or KDF side, what about the FEDs and KDFs? Do they have access to the whole Romulan Sim City stuff? Sorry I didn't know how to call that.
The feds and kdf fight for themselves not fight against themselves. Neither get their faction ripped apart.
I agree the kdf needed more content. It was a problem from launch and has remained a problem for over 3 years. So now with romulans they are just doing the problem in reverse. Which actually don't fix the problem, just shifts it too the other end and has forced the '3rd faction' to become part of the current 2. Making a total mockery of them as a faction.
No we're not .
No they're not .
No one said that AFAIK .
They may get their own Starbase , but I think that's a pipe dream .
Cryptic had 6+ months to do something .
They ended up cutting a lot of corners . The players who refuse to see that have my sympathies .
New STF's ? YeeeeaaaahhhhNo .
So in the end , if I was a TRUE Romulan fan , I'd take a page from the KDF STO guide book and settle in for the long night and get ready for a long fight to get what you should have gotten in May .
It took the Klingons 3 years .
Use that as a perspective ... -- and remember , the Klingons never lost faith !
(well almost never , but they were dealing with Cryptic ...)
Having said that , there is no guarantee that at the end of that long road a Romulan starbase or a fleet will be waiting for you .
I feel I have to disagree here.
While the Romulan Republic may be a new faction at level 1, for all intents and purposes, it's not a new faction at max level. Dan has said now that you effectively join the FED or KDF faction as an "ally", and queue alongside your FED or KDF buddies for all events, STFs, PVP maps etc. Add to that, you utilize either FED or KDF starbases and social areas.
So let's just call the Romulans a fake faction for now, and leave it at that.
How is this different than how the endgame already works? KDF and FED fight alongside each other.
The pre-endgame is fully unique for the Roms par the Fleet system which is nothing more than a resource sink at any rate, they aren't losing anything interesting by sharing with another faction.
{UFP}Thomas45 - Thomas Nixon U.S.S. Majesty Unbound
Why did this come as a surprise?
Cryptic have been playing catch-up ever since Atari screwed them and along-side that there is a real pressure from PW to return healthy income. So they rush things, introduce gambling items and only fix the most troublesome bugs.
I have a little sympathy for them, but they lack the creativity to deal with the situation hence why instead of seeing something game changing we instead have another half finished race.
The game doesn't even have a relevant crafting system at the moment, you guys knew that the game has been in one long extended beta since the get go, Cryptic have done the best they can within their limited capabilities and skills to keep the thing running in some fashion at least.
It's not the Star Trek MMO most of us wanted but it's the only Oasis in the desert at the moment even if the waters are fetid.
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You, and people who agree with you, believe the fleet system is nothing but a resource sink, and that's ok, you're totally allowed to have that opinion and I'm not saying you're wrong. However, I, and others like me, think it's an engaging and important part of endgame gameplay.
Thing is, if they had made a fleet system for romulans, you'd still have the option not to bother while I'd get to have my fun in a fleet. Instead, there's no fleet, so you still don't bother and I don't get the option. You gain nothing and lose nothing either way, while I just lose. Where is the upside to this?
Moving on a bit, while a lot of players don't bother with them, there are these little things called fleet actions, starbase 24, gorn minefield etc. These are faction specific, semi-endgame content that the romulans don't get. Yet another reason why the romulans are not actually a faction.
It would be if it wasn't closed off to a great number of the player base who do not want to join a Mega Fleet or are having a hard time starting their own fleet or moving on with a small fleet because of how Cryptic have failed to create a paradigm for fleet bases where all players regardless of style, play-time and financial input can benefit.
Otherwise it's just a toy of players who like mega fleets or super grinding and not a truly universal module of end-game content, which is a shame.
I have to admit when I came to the game for the first time I really felt that Fleet progression was going to be the thing that kept me coming back to play, that would be the logical extension of all my hard work thus far. So I set up a fleet and got a bunch friends and other players to join. It was good for a time but Season 7 drove most of my fleet members away and now no-one wants to join a T2 fleet so I've given up and barely play the game at all now, unless someone asks me on XMPP to come and play.
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No my point was that your opinion that it's an integral part of end-game is only relevant to you and others who have realistic access to it.
For the rest of us it may as well not exist. I actually love the fleet idea I hate that the framework and system bars me from participating in it. The point is it wouldn't hurt players in large fleets if those in small fleets got a better deal.
Anyways this is off topic.
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I never said it was integral to everyone, I said to those who enjoy it it makes for a good part of end game gameplay.
Q: (robertuso) Will a free character slot be provided for the Romulan Republic faction?
Dstahl: Yes, but we haven?t finalized how this will be granted yet.
i can see that i may be difficult to implement one free space to each player with your current start screen layout and i am guessing that as with the other spaces you have so generously provided the free space will be tagged for use by a romulan charactor only.
so heres an idea, you have hinted that we will be getting a fourth playable faction in the future and i am guessing that you will give a free space at that time so i was thinking you may find it easier to implement if you put in two spaces in now but lock one off for future use, it would fit in a lot neater and better with your current format and will be easier to add, with the added benefit that if or when you do when you do add the forth faction you can simply tag the space as for use by that new faction. simples.
this is only a suggestion of course and i am sure you or some other user may have other ideas for wich way to go with this but i just thought i would throw this idea into the mix for your consideration.
p.s. despite all my moans and gripes i still love the game and realy appreciate that you have kindly provided it for us all to enjoy.
this is the only mmorpg that i have played (and i have played a few) that keeps me comming back for more and i can play for more then five minutes without getting bored.
so thank you for that.
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With regards to Romulan Fleets they didn't have time to implement them given the schedule probably handed down to them by PW.
They may add it in the future depending on the profit motive.
Those are the clear reasons why they don't have them.
With regards to fleets in general all I am saying is it's a shame that many players don't have realistic access to them precisely because there is such a dearth of end-game content in general.
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I agree with that, I just don't think stopping romulans from having their own fleets is going to help at all.
As for the technical reason, yeah I get that, the problem is they've written themselves in to a corner by letting us join fed/KDF fleets, which means romulans will NEVER get our own fleets since you can't just remove players from their fleets and take away all their hard earned gear. If they'd said 'we didn't have time to add fleets but they'll get released in 6 months, guranteed' it'd be fine, but they didn't. What they did was try and put in a stopgap that's going to make it impossible to add them properly later without pissing off a good amount of the romulan playerbase.
Obviously part of the problem is they had to rush it out to get it there in time for the new movie release, but that doesn't mean from a player perspective it isn't still a kick in the teeth.
Just sums up another poor design concept. They still haven't come up with a solution to an obvious problem identified while beta testing season 6. I'm fortunate to be part of 2 large fleets. Which are near fleet cap. Both are good fun and always very sociable. This now leads me to think that If even half the people in either of them 2 fleets wanted to roll a rom they obviously will want to be with their existing fleets and friends since they are force to join another faction.
Sadly the numbers can't fit because fleet caps are 500. So this is actually likely to be yet another deception to flood lower tier fleets with romulans to help them level up. Poor fix if it is.
Yeah I think that they've said it's an option but I like you am skeptical about that without a guarantee. In addition Cryptic are known for leaving things half baked and beta in STO.
I play very little now but I don't see it as a kick in the teeth, more the gums as they already kicked all my teeth out
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Very much agreed. The stated reason, even if we know it's a lie, was so that we wouldn't have to build up another fleet and could use gear from already established ones, but as you said, any fleet that's passed tier 2 is full. In my case, since my main fed fleet is full, if I want to play with my friends I basically have to join KDF and go with our 15 man tier 0 fleet over there. Hardly a well established fleet with tons of spare gear and ships to choose from, hm?
I must just be newer than you then. :P Or possibly just better dental lol.
The pace of development needs to be dialled back after this - people need to take breaks and holiday time and work saner hours for a bit. The hard work is appreciated but this 'faction', much like Nomulus, is the best this team can do.
There's no touching the underlying systems for PvP/PvE and there's no new tech going into STO - the game has completely stagnated in that area.
Instead it's just more art assets, more 'Adventure Zones', and more Rep based around an old zone. The new mission content might be nice, but with so much to do in such a short space of time I've a feeling it'll be rushed - we'll see.
But for those of you hoping that Romulus will one day be an independent faction - it's never going to happen - there's simply no reason for Cryptic to do it. And once people have had a chance to play their Romulans for a bit and Cryptic starts releasing new stuff for the Feds, the Romulan players will be left with smaller numbers than the KDF.
Some people are upset that they won't get to play an independent Romulan faction - what makes me shake my head in despair is the waste - all that money, all those hours worked so they can make a big splash on websites about a 'new faction' and underneath, the game remains *exactly the same*
I agree, I consider the fleet system engaging and important part of the game and I don't consider it a grind-sink because I don't pressure myself into it. I was curious and looking forward to see how the extrerior of the Romulan starbases would look like, as well as how will they look from the inside with the Romulan aesthetics.
That said, the lack of the above mentioned, doesn't mean that the Republic is not a faction, at least to me.
Although, in an odd roundabout way, Cryptic deciding to go down the shared fleet route makes it seem like they also think it is a time and resource grind sink. :P
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As I pointed out in my previous reply, I do not think he lied to everyone. Cryptic just needs to make their advertising clearer.
Only in as much as that they've noticed some smaller fleets have effectively ground to a halt - both the fleets I'm in have - at the rate of progression we're going, it'd take us 20 years to finish the starbases.
Cryptic doesn't want that because it means a large number of players aren't participating at all in the Fleet system - it also complicates adding additional Rep systems - ideally they want us all in big fleets so the load is distributed and everyone keeps contributing.
The real reason Romulans haven't gotten independence and starbases though is two-fold - they don't have the resources to simultaneously develop 3 sets of starbase holdings (in fact, expect to see more faction-agnostic holdings like the embassies because it's a lot less work) and also because they don't have the resources or interest in changing PvE/PvP to accommodate 3+ factions.
That is the sad reality hiding under all the marketing hot air.
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Very true and well said, this is exactly what it is. They are trying to get more players and more income, greed is all this is about. And working their team to death is making the content quite poor. The last two seasons to a lot of us was complete junk and really didn't bring much if anything to the game except more grind. Even the STF gear is now even harder to get, 600+ Omega Marks and 18K of dilithium for mk XI Borg engines that it took only three to five STF's to do previously.
TL/DR: ROM's: Full Faction, just need FED or KDF Starbase
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