Its not a real faction, the player base split between two other factions. Romulan fleets if any will be few because no one is going to leave their current fleets. This is a "Alt" faction.
have to agree and when they added a leveling system to fleets they killed new fleet or fleet that died and come back and say hey I try this again but only they find out 95% of the player base is all ready in the fleet they going to be in or been with for say as long as they been playing now how am I to be a romulan fleet ? that right im not a romulan fleet im really FED or KDF
I would like to know how many of those who are excited about this decision plan to primarily play a Romulan and how many are simply FED or KDF players excited about something new.
I personally, don't believe the Romulans can be called a complete faction if they lack a fleet system. You can make jokes and snide comments about how lacking a starbase is just like before season six when it isn't. We lack a fleet system and our own queues. I understand why they did what they did but trying to belittle or mock those who are upset by implying that the lack of a starbase is just a sink while ignoring that it signifies a significant difference between the two main factions is just disingenuous.
Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
It's just a further dilution of any notion of factions in this game - eventually Qo'noS and ESD will be one and the same - maybe some people want that, but I think anything that takes character and contrast away from the two factions is a loss for the players.
There's already virtually no difference between the factions, the KDF have slightly faster turning ships whilst the Fed's have more defensive ships and that's it. OK, my Fed's have to wear slightly more clothes than the Orion Defence Force and Qo'noS is full of emo whine to ESD's brain damage but the game play is all but identical and the Romulan's being there won't do much to change that.
Yes, I would be satisfied with "mini-factions"
68%
225 votes
No, I want each faction to be fully developed with full faction specific content
32%
105 votes
330 Total Votes
Granted that's not an official poll and only comprised of people who happened to see that thread at the time, but just off of that it seems that a decent number of people were okay with Rommies just being a mini faction. Interesting.
Their definition of "mini-faction" is actually inferior to what we're getting - as it specifically states no faction-specific missions at all. So it seems the "No" voters are being satisfied to a degree. :P
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
How are the player bases split if players want to hang out at ESD or FC that's one them, but they will get their own hub to hang out...as stated the RR is not answering to Quinn or the other guy.
There really no point in starting a Romulan fleet, players will hang out with their current fleets and friends. That is not a faction, its more like adding a Romulan race and ships to both the Feds and KDF.
I would like to know how many of those who are excited about this decision plan to primarily play a Romulan and how many are simply FED or KDF players excited about something new.
I personally, don't believe the Romulans can be called a complete faction if they lack a fleet system. You can make jokes and snide comments about how lacking a starbase is just like before season six when it isn't. We lack a fleet system and our own queues. I understand why they did what they did but trying to belittle or mock those who are upset by implying that the lack of a starbase is just a sink while ignoring that it signifies a significant difference between the two main factions is just disingenuous.
yep I agree ppl that are ok with this more then likely were going to play rom's as ALTS for doffing so on
I think this is what bugs me the most. I am however, willing to test it out on tribble and see how it goes and then give my feedback regarding the alliance system in terms of queues, the lack of our own fleets however, is not acceptable regardless of implementation, I would be ok with Romulans and all future factions being unique in that they are allowed to decide whether to join a FED, KDF, or native fleet.
There really no point in starting a Romulan fleet, players will hang out with their current fleets and friends. That is not a faction, its more like adding a Romulan race and ships to both the Feds and KDF.
Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
Sooo the Romulans will be what the game was pre season 6 with a little extra AWESOME!!!!!!!!
sounds like a faction to me. SWEET!!!:cool:
Don't you get tired of re-typing the same line? Or do you just copy/paste it?
Did you miss the part about faction unique ships? Or a storyline that (kinda) makes sense as to why the two factions are adversaries? Or the customizable Boffs? When you play Fed or KDF, despite the many failings of this game, the one thing it (originally) got right was the sense of identity in the factions.
Beyond the tutorial and the unique missions, this is something the Romulans are lacking. They're a nothing race with a foot in the Federation and a foot in the KDF and with little unique in of themselves. Adding them this way is not only a poor way of representing the Romulans of the show, it's also messing with the identity of the Feds and the KDF.
lol, wow hate to break it to you but a person can disagree with you and still love Trek
Sorry, but crypticarmsman's just another troll. I've read many of his posts and he's exactly the kind of player that's dooming this game to mediocrity. Some people are happy with that - I'm not one of them.
Their definition of "mini-faction" is actually inferior to what we're getting - as it specifically states no faction-specific missions at all. So it seems the "No" voters are being satisfied to a degree. :P
Indeed. If I remember I actually voted "no" on that poll and I'm personally just fine with how it actually turned out. I also noticed while I was looking for that thread that there were other threads along the lines of "Give me Romulans NOW I don't care how they are!" and "I just want to fly my warbird, I don't care about all the content the feds have" and the like. Granted they were more on the ranting side, but I still found it interesting. That was spanning back for almost two years. And as you say, we're getting a whole lot more than what was specified in that poll.
I also voted no in that poll, I was not in the ranting group that demanded WARBIRDS NOW, I was and am in favor of having a Romulan faction, and except for the lack of fleets and independent queues I'm extremely impressed with what they've delivered, its just those two things are huge sticking points for me atm.
Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
There's already virtually no difference between the factions, the KDF have slightly faster turning ships whilst the Fed's have more defensive ships and that's it. OK, my Fed's have to wear slightly more clothes than the Orion Defence Force and Qo'noS is full of emo whine to ESD's brain damage but the game play is all but identical and the Romulan's being there won't do much to change that.
I think it all depends on what you do at end-game, but I PvP, run ground and space STFs, do Doffing and do stuff with the KDF and Fed fleets I'm in.
All of those except the STFs have a unique perspective as a Fed or KDF - it may just be visual, it may just be a change of text but it's there.
And as a Fed, I find it fun in STFs when a bunch of KDF ships warp in - they 'feel' like the enemy (maybe because I PvP against them) so there's that - and on the ground, the difference between the MACO and the Honor Guards.
You've also got things like Ganalda station for the KDF and Memory Alpha for the Feds - there's a feeling that they have a presence in the universe - will the Romulans have that?
The more I think about this whole 'no fleets' thing the more it annoys me. Dan said that we were going to be joining established fleets so we could use all their stuff and not have to grind all over again, but that doesn't actually work does it? All the fleets that have actually progressed beyond tier 2 are full, so 99% of romulans are going to end up in new or struggling fleets anyway. And that's not even counting those like me who WANTED to make a new fleet from scratch.
Or does cryptic expect that we kick a load of people from our fleets to make room for our new romulan slav- sorry, allies? 'cos that hardly seems fair.
I am disappointed with the lack of species options for starting an unfinished implementation. Lifetime subscribers are missing their Borg Captain option, there are no Hirogen, and many other options are missing. Forcing Romulan players to either half to align with the Fed's or KDF just further disappoints from a PvE and a PvP standpoint!
Sounds interesting! Also I am glad Klingons will get to start from lvl 1, might have to reroll my Klingon
Anything they add with regards to a new faction, i.e. having to side with either Fed/KDF is going to upset a lot of people, but look on the brightside, you don't have to redo all the hard work of your fleet bases etc!
Also keep you wigs on folks! Yes the species choices are a little bland at present, but lets wait to see what Cryptic can do to add in extras etc!
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You know the one thing I can't understand about all this?
Why all the need for secrecy?
They only answer a portion of our questions in the AskCryptic, but hey that's a pr news piece more than it's an actual Q&A so fine. But when they come to see the forums blowing up with people upset, they don't really answer the questions they have. We're told to wait and see and we'll love what they have planned.
What is the point in keeping that information secret?
I guarantee if we had all our questions answered by the devs here on the forums, there'd be far less upset people. Then we could actually discuss things in the proper context, and we'd be able to offer better suggestions and idea. Dastahl wouldn't have to come in here and get mad and tell us we're speculating too much and don't know all the details.
You know the one thing I can't understand about all this?
Why all the need for secrecy?
They only answer a portion of our questions in the AskCryptic, but hey that's a pr news piece more than it's an actual Q&A so fine. But when they come to see the forums blowing up with people upset, they don't really answer the questions they have. We're told to wait and see and we'll love what they have planned.
What is the point in keeping that information secret?
I guarantee if we had all our questions answered by the devs here on the forums, there'd be far less upset people. Then we could actually discuss things in the proper context, and we'd be able to offer better suggestions and idea. Dastahl wouldn't have to come in here and get mad and tell us we're speculating too much and don't know all the details.
Why won't you give us all the details?
Half the dev team is busy preparing an onslaught of Blogs with mildly useful information....
I think this is part of the problem, you're basically telling the story of a prequel before having finished the main story. This sort of story would be great to flesh out events but to do so at this point in STO's life, where we haven't had any progress in the game's main story in years can only result in players not caring very much from a narrative perspective.
The other BIG issue, and arguably the most important is that players wanting to play as Romulans don't want to play as "Romulan adventurers" working to rebuild their shattered government. They wanted to be part of the RSE, ideally one reunited and on the rise, ans set AFTER the events of the Romulan FE. So not only did they want it placed in the continuation of the story, they wanted to play as the traditional Romulan Military, extra points if they even got to be part of a de-Iconianized Tal-Shiar.
LoR sounds like letting players play as humans.... that aren't part of Starfleet. It'd be a fantastic option to play something like a Maquis or Freedom Fighter, but only with the Starfleet option already available.
I understand a full third faction is untenable, and many of us were wondering how it'd be done. We mostly expected a mini faction that would require only the occasional upkeep, what you're delivering is not what people were wanting. We'll all play thanks to the lack of content, but I honestly do not see any long term viability unless its purely for the toys it has available to it, making it lacking any sort of fan following.
Well put methinks sans the "untenable" element.
Some of us were looking forward to playing the game again from zero and developing a Romulan starbase and establishing an embassy (with either UFP or KDF) or new government offices -etc.... with our own story line and PvP and other normal things team blue and red enjoy (or suffer depending on your perspective).
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Some of us were looking forward to playing the game again from zero and developing a Romulan starbase and establishing an embassy (with either UFP or KDF) or new government offices -etc.... with our own story line and PvP and other normal things team blue and red enjoy (or suffer depending on your perspective).
see this thing with me im not upset at not having a (((Starbase))) or not having a (((Doff System))) as fed or kdf did not have thes at start but they did have there own Fleet's they did have there own ESD/First City but I am mainly upset as to not having our own fleets that are not tied to fed or kdf
What the feds and klinks did or did not have at the start is irrelevant and I wish people would stop bringing it up. The point is they do have it now and romulans don't, for no adequately explained reason.
The fact is that, no matter how much "faction story" there may be, in the end Romulans are just getting rolled into one of the pre-existing factions.
The idea that Romulans will "still be taking orders from the Romulan Republic" is a smokescreen... I would have no problem with Romulans sharing, say, Task Force Omega, just like the Feds and KDF do now... that is an alliance. Each faction has their own vendors and gear and such. Add in the Romulans with their own vendors and equipment, and that would not be galling at all.
The fact is that, no matter how much "faction story" there may be, in the end Romulans are just getting rolled into one of the pre-existing factions.
The idea that Romulans will "still be taking orders from the Romulan Republic" is a smokescreen... I would have no problem with Romulans sharing, say, Task Force Omega, just like the Feds and KDF do now... that is an alliance. Each faction has their own vendors and gear and such. Add in the Romulans with their own vendors and equipment, and that would not be galling at all.
it would have been better to force the romulans and cardassians together!
Thing is, once all the Romulan content has been done, what's a Romulan player left with?
What's any MMO player left with, once he's done with the content?
What you're complaining about has nothing to do with LoR. It's a problem inherent in pretty much all themepark MMOs. I wouldn't even call it a problem. It's just the nature of the beast.
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have to agree and when they added a leveling system to fleets they killed new fleet or fleet that died and come back and say hey I try this again but only they find out 95% of the player base is all ready in the fleet they going to be in or been with for say as long as they been playing now how am I to be a romulan fleet ? that right im not a romulan fleet im really FED or KDF
system Lord Baal is dead
I personally, don't believe the Romulans can be called a complete faction if they lack a fleet system. You can make jokes and snide comments about how lacking a starbase is just like before season six when it isn't. We lack a fleet system and our own queues. I understand why they did what they did but trying to belittle or mock those who are upset by implying that the lack of a starbase is just a sink while ignoring that it signifies a significant difference between the two main factions is just disingenuous.
............................It's a FAAAAAKE
There's already virtually no difference between the factions, the KDF have slightly faster turning ships whilst the Fed's have more defensive ships and that's it. OK, my Fed's have to wear slightly more clothes than the Orion Defence Force and Qo'noS is full of emo whine to ESD's brain damage but the game play is all but identical and the Romulan's being there won't do much to change that.
Their definition of "mini-faction" is actually inferior to what we're getting - as it specifically states no faction-specific missions at all. So it seems the "No" voters are being satisfied to a degree. :P
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
There really no point in starting a Romulan fleet, players will hang out with their current fleets and friends. That is not a faction, its more like adding a Romulan race and ships to both the Feds and KDF.
yep I agree ppl that are ok with this more then likely were going to play rom's as ALTS for doffing so on
system Lord Baal is dead
Don't you get tired of re-typing the same line? Or do you just copy/paste it?
Did you miss the part about faction unique ships? Or a storyline that (kinda) makes sense as to why the two factions are adversaries? Or the customizable Boffs? When you play Fed or KDF, despite the many failings of this game, the one thing it (originally) got right was the sense of identity in the factions.
Beyond the tutorial and the unique missions, this is something the Romulans are lacking. They're a nothing race with a foot in the Federation and a foot in the KDF and with little unique in of themselves. Adding them this way is not only a poor way of representing the Romulans of the show, it's also messing with the identity of the Feds and the KDF.
Sorry, but crypticarmsman's just another troll. I've read many of his posts and he's exactly the kind of player that's dooming this game to mediocrity. Some people are happy with that - I'm not one of them.
Indeed. If I remember I actually voted "no" on that poll and I'm personally just fine with how it actually turned out. I also noticed while I was looking for that thread that there were other threads along the lines of "Give me Romulans NOW I don't care how they are!" and "I just want to fly my warbird, I don't care about all the content the feds have" and the like. Granted they were more on the ranting side, but I still found it interesting. That was spanning back for almost two years. And as you say, we're getting a whole lot more than what was specified in that poll.
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I think it all depends on what you do at end-game, but I PvP, run ground and space STFs, do Doffing and do stuff with the KDF and Fed fleets I'm in.
All of those except the STFs have a unique perspective as a Fed or KDF - it may just be visual, it may just be a change of text but it's there.
And as a Fed, I find it fun in STFs when a bunch of KDF ships warp in - they 'feel' like the enemy (maybe because I PvP against them) so there's that - and on the ground, the difference between the MACO and the Honor Guards.
You've also got things like Ganalda station for the KDF and Memory Alpha for the Feds - there's a feeling that they have a presence in the universe - will the Romulans have that?
Or does cryptic expect that we kick a load of people from our fleets to make room for our new romulan slav- sorry, allies? 'cos that hardly seems fair.
Did it really take 75 pages for someone to post this?
I want a Razer mousemat featuring So'Hot.
Wouldn't you rather have So'Hot featuring a Razer mousemat and nothing else ? :P:o:D
Sounds interesting! Also I am glad Klingons will get to start from lvl 1, might have to reroll my Klingon
Anything they add with regards to a new faction, i.e. having to side with either Fed/KDF is going to upset a lot of people, but look on the brightside, you don't have to redo all the hard work of your fleet bases etc!
Also keep you wigs on folks! Yes the species choices are a little bland at present, but lets wait to see what Cryptic can do to add in extras etc!
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No, it's been posted several times already.
So'Hot's kinda scary looking, but then T'TRIBBLE looks like an idiot so I guess it's still an improvement.
Now, Handsome Phaser Guy with just a mousemat, that I could live with.
Why all the need for secrecy?
They only answer a portion of our questions in the AskCryptic, but hey that's a pr news piece more than it's an actual Q&A so fine. But when they come to see the forums blowing up with people upset, they don't really answer the questions they have. We're told to wait and see and we'll love what they have planned.
What is the point in keeping that information secret?
I guarantee if we had all our questions answered by the devs here on the forums, there'd be far less upset people. Then we could actually discuss things in the proper context, and we'd be able to offer better suggestions and idea. Dastahl wouldn't have to come in here and get mad and tell us we're speculating too much and don't know all the details.
Why won't you give us all the details?
Half the dev team is busy preparing an onslaught of Blogs with mildly useful information....
Well put methinks sans the "untenable" element.
Some of us were looking forward to playing the game again from zero and developing a Romulan starbase and establishing an embassy (with either UFP or KDF) or new government offices -etc.... with our own story line and PvP and other normal things team blue and red enjoy (or suffer depending on your perspective).
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I think I posted it before:
Senator Vreenak - has reviewed the data about the new "Romulan Faction"
His Response:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qKcJF4fOPs
see this thing with me im not upset at not having a (((Starbase))) or not having a (((Doff System))) as fed or kdf did not have thes at start but they did have there own Fleet's they did have there own ESD/First City but I am mainly upset as to not having our own fleets that are not tied to fed or kdf
system Lord Baal is dead
The idea that Romulans will "still be taking orders from the Romulan Republic" is a smokescreen... I would have no problem with Romulans sharing, say, Task Force Omega, just like the Feds and KDF do now... that is an alliance. Each faction has their own vendors and gear and such. Add in the Romulans with their own vendors and equipment, and that would not be galling at all.
it would have been better to force the romulans and cardassians together!
What you're complaining about has nothing to do with LoR. It's a problem inherent in pretty much all themepark MMOs. I wouldn't even call it a problem. It's just the nature of the beast.