if we start out as Romulan citizens does that mean we steal weapons use knifes to fight or hand to hand to gather a weapon to use and a ship im assuming that we wont have one early on simply alot of ground fighting supplies gathering rallying the people to fight along side us and taking a ship possibly one landed on a planet or starting in some civilian transport. I think i will enjoy this alot
Well since you don't get to join the Feds/KDF until level 10 I'm assuming Romulan Boffs at the least will be in place (I hope so anyway).
Yeah, I actually doubt that we will have to use non-Romulan Boffs at all. Now, Doffs.... not sure yet, but I'm guessing that yeah, we'll end up having a lot of "allies" for Doffs.
How is this different than how the endgame already works? KDF and FED fight alongside each other.
The pre-endgame is fully unique for the Roms par the Fleet system which is nothing more than a resource sink at any rate, they aren't losing anything interesting by sharing with another faction.
a real romulan would stay on there side of the map and let the KDF/FED and borg fight among them self end of story
I am also not sure how happy the Romulan players would be flying ships without any BOFFs to equip them with. Now, they could clone some of the BOFFs they have, but that would be no different than what seems to be will happen now...Romulan captains using Fed and KDF BOFFs, with the additional need for new artwork.
Oh, I hope at the very least, they make Romulan specific BOFFs.
Any character I make starts with at least 3 Unique BOFFs (due to account unlocks):
Liberated Borg Engineer (Female).
Photonic Science Officer (Male).
Android Bridge Officer (Class and Gender chosen by player).
I'd expect these to be all Romulan variants, not just clones of Starfleet or KDF BOFFs.
It would strain credibility to the breaking point if your Liberated Borg and Photonic Science Officer are human.
How would you explain that?
And what about the BOFFs you recieve via levelling or recruitment missions?
Are they going to be Romulans and Remans?
Or just the standard ones from the faction you align yourself with?
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
Oh, I hope at the very least, they make Romulan specific BOFFs.
Any character I make starts with at least 3 Unique BOFFs (due to account unlocks):
Liberated Borg Engineer (Female).
Photonic Science Officer (Male).
Android Bridge Officer (Class and Gender chosen by player).
I'd expect these to be all Romulan variants, not just clones of Starfleet or KDF BOFFs.
It would strain credibility to the breaking point if your Liberated Borg and Photonic Science Officer are human.
How would you explain that?
And what about the BOFFs you recieve via levelling or recruitment missions?
Are they going to be Romulans and Remans?
Or just the standard ones from the faction you align yourself with?
Lib Borg are easy. The differences between the KDF and Fed versions are cosmetic anyways.
I hope Romulans get their own duty officer 'flavour'. Where Feds have Diplomacy and the Klingons have Marauding, Romulans, regardless of their affiliation, should have Subterfuge, for example.
Missions could be things like:
Covertly Deposit Operational Assets on <planet>
Assess Military Capability of <faction> in <sector block>
Insert Intelligence Asset into <faction>
Falsify Reports of <either faction>'s Military Capability in <sector block> to <ally faction>
Appraise Loyalty of Crew
Sweep Ship for Listening Devices
Obtain Notes From Recent Continuing Committee Hearing
Cryptic has made a very fatal flaw in this whole "choose your alliance" concept. I understand alot of the new Romulan content is backstory and that part I actually like, but there are points of this whole thing that really stick out as wrong.
We are playing (well will be) as the survivors and later on in the story as survivors that have broken away with what little resources they could take with them to create a new world, a new Romulan Civilization apart from the old. We don't have the resources to join in a FED/KDF war when we are fighting for our own survival. In JJ's Trek movie, "Young Spock" put it best, "I'm now part of an endangered species".
There should be a small, utilitarian (very barebones), inexpensive Romulan fleetbase, Separate Romulan fleets, and the ability to change alliances whenever you want. Picking sides in a war at this point for the New Romulan Republic is insane, and really doesn't fit at all.
If your family doesn't have a home, has to wonder when and where your next meal is coming from and if a member of your own now endangered species is going to try and kill you and everyone you love at any given second, are you really going to care about someone else's war?
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With all that said I understand there is a huge amount of coding that has to be done to really make the Romulans a complete separate faction when it comes to PVE, Certain Events and other areas of gameplay. In this regard it makes sense that Cryptic would have you pick a side, but I personally think they are going about it in the wrong way.
There is a small faction of Federation and KDF in the game that are willing to set aside the war and their differences for the good of all, to unite and fight against the Borg. The real question is why didn't Cryptic simply set something up for the Romulans that mimics this as it's already in the game?
In the truest sense the Fed/KDF war is just a bunch of skirmishes and not a true war. It'll still be countless months before they advance the storyline enough to were it'll be a true all out war, by then the New Romulans would be established enough to really be able to pick a side and actually contribute.
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In a lot of ways Cryptic is really bottle-necking possible scenarios they'll be able to do with the New Romulans by forcing a permanent alliance.
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A VERY, VERY simple solution would be with every rank up when you get a new free ship token you should also get a free new Allegiance token. Blur the lines a little and keep that Romulan intrigue and shade of mistrust either until you can fully separate the three factions or until the New Romulan Republic can really stand on it's own and really contribute to whatever alliance they decide on.
Otherwise you might as well release the Romulan Star Empire and New Romulan Republic as to seperate endgame options.....RSE for the KDF alliance and NRR for the fed Alliance and at least that way it'll make sense why Romulans are fighting Romulans in these alliances.
Otherwise you might as well release the Romulan Star Empire and New Romulan Republic as to seperate endgame options.....RSE for the KDF alliance and NRR for the fed Alliance and at least that way it'll make sense why Romulans are fighting Romulans in these alliances.[/QUOTE]
^^ This I could live with. But I can tell you that if the Romulan enthusiast were given a choice Between the RR and the RSE, the long time Romulan fan would likely choose RSE with the right Warbird and uniform. If there was a staging area for both of these two, say Rator for the RSE, they would go there and virtually ignore the KDF and only join PvP to bloody the noses of the Feds and RR. I wouldn't even decloak if a Klingon ship were surrounded and on the verge of being blasted out of space.
Otherwise you might as well release the Romulan Star Empire and New Romulan Republic as to seperate endgame options.....RSE for the KDF alliance and NRR for the fed Alliance and at least that way it'll make sense why Romulans are fighting Romulans in these alliances.
^^ This I could live with. But I can tell you that if the Romulan enthusiast were given a choice Between the RR and the RSE, the long time Romulan fan would likely choose RSE with the right Warbird and uniform. If there was a staging area for both of these two, say Rator for the RSE, they would go there and virtually ignore the KDF and only join PvP to bloody the noses of the Feds and RR. I wouldn't even decloak if a Klingon ship were surrounded and on the verge of being blasted out of space.
What you just said is exactly the point I was trying to make. THAT is exactly true to Romulan philosophy and exactly what they are destroying. The Romulans do exactly what they want to do, when they want to do it, how they want to do it. If there's something beneficial in it for them then you know you can count on them, but you never know exactly how much you can count on them. That's part of the appeal of the Romulans.
It's a shame the new faction won't offer something akin to the "dark ages of cam" style 3-way pvp conflicts. Something for the future perhaps? (I assume someone has already suggested running a kickstarter to fund this kind of major enhancement/overhaul?)
Still, looking forward to its release as new content is new content, which beats the alternative of no new content.
Also, some of the UI changes and customisation options look quite nice
It's a shame the new faction won't offer something akin to the "dark ages of cam" style 3-way pvp conflicts. Something for the future perhaps? (I assume someone has already suggested running a kickstarter to fund this kind of major enhancement/overhaul?)
Still, looking forward to its release as new content is new content, which beats the alternative of no new content.
Also, some of the UI changes and customisation options look quite nice
Not seen a kick starter mentioned in this thread but they have been talked about a few times. Based on the direction this game is looking like its heading with this update. a romulan faction in sto kick starter looks like its needed as well. Since they will only listen to money and not fans.
It's pretty sad tho. February's ask cryptics responses generated 8 pages. March's ask cryptics responses has generated 88 pages(so far) of mostly people expressing how unhappy and disappointed they are with the direction they intend to take the romulans. I hope the devs actually respond to the criticism accordingly and address it, alter their intended direction and make them the faction they deserve to be.
They'd essentially have to rebuild major facets of this so-called Faction.
Add a whole new Doffing system instead of Diplomacy/Marauding.
And some of the other mission types would have to be altered to be Romulan specific as well.
Also, they'd have to create Romulan specific DOFFs too.
They'd also have to model Romulan Starbases and embassies.
While I have no doubt this could be done, it would be a delay while they implemented these changes.
Which means the release date will be pushed back.
Personally, I don't care if they push it back, since I was not going to play it anyway!
It's not that I'm opposed to actually playing the faction, it's just they failed to deliver the playable race I wanted and until they give it back, I'm not playing the faction.
I could live with any number of flaws and lack of content if only I got to play the captain I've been waiting for since the Romulan faction was announced long ago.
But since Cryptic didn't deliver the playable race I want, I see no real reason to actually play it.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
I forgot if I had my say on this so I'll just say it anyway: I originally was like, yeah this sucks, why bother? And it's true, why bother? People wanted a romulan faction. If that wasn't a realistic goal then cryptic should have just forgot about it and worked on expanding sector space and even the KDF which seems to be just as impractical as romulans are so I'm not sure why cryptic has bothered. There's alot they could have been doing other than making a futile attempt at implementing a half baked romulan faction.
But then I suddenly just stopped caring. The danger of that boredom of the game aside, it just hit me that there is no real RSE anymore. So it makes sense story wise with how cryptic is going about it. We don't know much about the romulan people, really. We know their government and military are *******s. That's about it. I can buy that romulans are sort of freelancers now willing to ally up with those that have aided them on new romulus. Not so much buying that they have access to romulan war ships galore for all those inc romulan captains but hey it's a game after all I can look the other way with my logic.
But then, if Earth was destroyed by a supernova, I doubt Starfleet would suddenly be non existent.
Anyway, I think STO has proven one fact about people and Star Trek: Most of us are happy with playing as starfleet. But then perhaps the only reason the KDF is so badly off course is because no one wants to play an unfinished faction with little dev support. It's like a viscous cycle. We don't want to play the KDF because it's not fully supported. Cryptic doesn't want to work on the KDF because we don't want to play the KDF. You know what would have gotten me to play my KDF practically full time? A BoP that wasn't a joke with 2 turrets and 3 tac consoles, and that's the supposed 2409 retrofit. Because it's an "old" ship, apparently. I guess klingons don't have the ability to build new classic BoPs and outfit them with the latest technology. They were already "old" by TNG(since they were around in kirk's time) but that didn't stop them from whooping TRIBBLE when they needed to. That's because the BoP design is eternal. You don't try to reinvent the wheel. The klingons and apparently the romulans learned this since there's romulan warbirds every which way in STO. The KDF NPCs are BoP fans still. See this is where the "old BoP" logic flops.
I truly want to play my klingon more, but I just feel gimp trying to do elite STFs in a brel BoP. I have a strong feeling the grand majority of other players turned away from the KDF faction when they too realized that they couldn't be that dangerous klingon in a BoP. I'd wager the farm it is pretty much the only reason. And when the romulans come and tons of people are playing romulans because they get to fly in classic romulan ships like the warbird design, assuming they too won't suck, my point will be proven.
I forgot if I had my say on this so I'll just say it anyway: I originally was like, yeah this sucks, why bother? And it's true, why bother? People wanted a romulan faction. If that wasn't a realistic goal then cryptic should have just forgot about it and worked on expanding sector space and even the KDF which seems to be just as impractical as romulans are so I'm not sure why cryptic has bothered. There's alot they could have been doing other than making a futile attempt at implementing a half baked romulan faction.
But then I suddenly just stopped caring. The danger of that boredom of the game aside, it just hit me that there is no real RSE anymore. So it makes sense story wise with how cryptic is going about it. We don't know much about the romulan people, really. We know their government and military are *******s. That's about it. I can buy that romulans are sort of freelancers now willing to ally up with those that have aided them on new romulus. Not so much buying that they have access to romulan war ships galore for all those inc romulan captains but hey it's a game after all I can look the other way with my logic.
But then, if Earth was destroyed by a supernova, I doubt Starfleet would suddenly be non existent.
Anyway, I think STO has proven one fact about people and Star Trek: Most of us are happy with playing as starfleet. But then perhaps the only reason the KDF is so badly off course is because no one wants to play an unfinished faction with little dev support. It's like a viscous cycle. We don't want to play the KDF because it's not fully supported. Cryptic doesn't want to work on the KDF because we don't want to play the KDF. You know what would have gotten me to play my KDF practically full time? A BoP that wasn't a joke with 2 turrets and 3 tac consoles, and that's the supposed 2409 retrofit. Because it's an "old" ship, apparently. I guess klingons don't have the ability to build new classic BoPs and outfit them with the latest technology. They were already "old" by TNG(since they were around in kirk's time) but that didn't stop them from whooping TRIBBLE when they needed to. That's because the BoP design is eternal. You don't try to reinvent the wheel. The klingons and apparently the romulans learned this since there's romulan warbirds every which way in STO. The KDF NPCs are BoP fans still. See this is where the "old BoP" logic flops.
I truly want to play my klingon more, but I just feel gimp trying to do elite STFs in a brel BoP. I have a strong feeling the grand majority of other players turned away from the KDF faction when they too realized that they couldn't be that dangerous klingon in a BoP. I'd wager the farm it is pretty much the only reason. And when the romulans come and tons of people are playing romulans because they get to fly in classic romulan ships like the warbird design, assuming they too won't suck, my point will be proven.
I have to agree with you, I play kdf a fair bit. I've always thought that bops should have been a lot more like raptors are, however they are closer to being compared to a shuttle.
bops in stf is pointless. so 5 fleet modules for pretty much a b'rel looking shuttle at t5 is a total joke.
I have 2 kdf toons and they are of extrems you could say 1 is in a vo'quv and the other in a b'rel. the vo'quv bop pets last just as long as a player controlled b'rel..... something is clearly wrong there. kdf need their bops beffing up!!
also if beffing the b'rel up meant removing the fire while cloaked ability then that's fine. it's rubbish anyway.
A lot of us have refused to spend money on this game, I stopped when I ready an Ask Cryptic mid last year with Dan refusing to do anything on the KDF "Beating the dead Targ" I believe was his words.
Perhaps Romulan fans unhappy with this could go down a similar path. After all PWE/Cryptic seems to only listen to money and their bias figure/statics. If income slows down they might start to listen to their customers, but then again they might just do another sale, another public bias news article to get new players.
But there is nothing wrong with a peaceful protest
Support the Game by Supporting the KDF, equality and uniqueness for all factions!
For goodness sakes, please remember that this forums has guidelines. Please tone down the rhetoric or this thread will get locked. Going out of bounds is going to lead to infractions.
Keep in mind that there are a lot of assumptions being made in this thread that are way out of whack for how it is actually implemented. Many posts are stating opinions about something that no one in the public has played yet.
Give the hard working team some credit for everything they've been working on by reserving your opinions until you actually play it. [snap]
Please understand the following:
-its just not very nice to mislead us and yes you have.. Makeing us wait during the 3 week counter, then posting basically nothing but some pictures and a small video saying absolutly nothing explicit except for one thing: there will be a romulan faction. You must habe known deep down your heart that thats just wrong because as much as you try to defend it a full faction has a lot of thing the new rommi "faction" does not so calling it a faction was misleading. Again im sure you knew that so it was intentional so you can only blame yourself if ppl are angry now.
-second for me and a lot of other ppl ST is very important. There may be some reasons why we have 1000 admirals running around instead of captains as it should be or that the galaxy and cruisers fight with broadsides which is so not canon.. So while there may be some reasons concering the game to do so, you csnt expect trekkies to accept stuff like that easily. And a beaten down romulan people who starts fighting each other in the fed/kdf wsr is just silly. Also why call it romulan faction if its just the tree loving hippie romulan somethings of D'Tan and far from everything anyone watching the shows would call a romulan.
-you say we have to stay calm and patiently wait for new information without speculating? Sry what? If you dont want us to speculate then MAYBE it would have been a better idea to tell us all important facts right from the start. If you treat you players like little children ofc they will behave as such. Its your own information policy that got us this 90+ pages thread. Maybe its time to stop treating us like 5 year olds stop talking about santa clause and just get to the point. It costs you nothing. If you're not sure westher or not a specific feature will make it just say so.
-you say we have to give credit for the hard working team BEFORE you told us about everything thats coming? Lol? Thats like saying we have to say thx to the cook after just some small pictures of what the food MAY look like and after they showed you a picture from the biggest steak you've ever seen and they getting an info like "you get only the upper left corner of the steak, sry". Dont you think that constantly paying for this game buying lock box keys and ships and stuff kind of entitles us to regular updates and bug fixing and new features from time to time?
So please stop and rethink your own policy and behavior.
there is a minority of lazy players that they are catering too. with the whole 'thank you so much I didn't want the hassle of levelling another starbase' and actually playing the game etc :eek:.
That's always annoyed me, how much people moan about the grind. This is an MMO, for it to be a success your average player has to play a LOT more than they do for a single player gane, and frankly the novelty of flying the Defiant can only counteract the boredom of having nothing to do for so long, without something to grind I'd stop playing pretty quickly. As it is now, I still take 2-3 week breaks now and then just to get over my burnout.
I think Dan lets his poor PR skills take control too much. Someone at PW should really have a chat to him methinks.
Oh I know some people "CDFers" will love that Dan is "saying how he feels" and is basically telling the naysers/haters to shut up, however this is why most "professional" leaders don't say how they feel, as they do come across as looking petty and stupid.
Anyone who think their team should get praise and thanks for producing some pics and a trailer and then lets the cat out of the bag that they didn't supply the whole info, and will only then be supplying info piecemeal, but doesn't want you to speculate, well...
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
That's always annoyed me, how much people moan about the grind. This is an MMO, for it to be a success your average player has to play a LOT more than they do for a single player gane, and frankly the novelty of flying the Defiant can only counteract the boredom of having nothing to do for so long, without something to grind I'd stop playing pretty quickly. As it is now, I still take 2-3 week breaks now and then just to get over my burnout.
thers an easy way to stop this while keeping the grind as u call it removed dilthium from starbases a move that no one will mind starting a new base
Also why call it romulan faction if its just the tree loving hippie romulan somethings of D'Tan and far from everything anyone watching the shows would call a romulan.
I think this encapsulates perfectly why so many are unhappy with the way Romulans are presumably going to be portrayed in STO. I'm sure the playable Romulan story line will be pretty good, and many missions will be rock solid, but they leave out one key thing: the ability to play as member of the Romulan Star Empire.
Yes, the Romulans have been beaten down a bit, and they've become heavily factionalized, but that shouldn't stop us from being able to play whichever faction we want! Each faction no doubt has compelling storylines waiting to be told. Even if the Tal Shiar are the bad guys and unplayable, surely the RSE is just as viable as the Republic?
The technology to choose sides is obviously in game, given that we can choose KDF or Fed. Why not allows us to choose RSE or Republic, instead?
Not to mention the whole "Republic" thing sounds an awful lot like "Fed-lite", especially considering how much D'Tan was influenced by Spock. Unless the storyline of the Republic is outrageously good, my Romulan captain will be a member of the RSE, because that's what I want.
That's always annoyed me, how much people moan about the grind. This is an MMO, for it to be a success your average player has to play a LOT more than they do for a single player gane, and frankly the novelty of flying the Defiant can only counteract the boredom of having nothing to do for so long, without something to grind I'd stop playing pretty quickly. As it is now, I still take 2-3 week breaks now and then just to get over my burnout.
There has to be a better way of disguising the grind, though. And adding more variety so it's not the same thing over and over again, or a hassle / job to log in and "get your dailies".
There has to be a better way of disguising the grind, though. And adding more variety so it's not the same thing over and over again, or a hassle / job to log in and "get your dailies".
Just to clarify, I'm not saying that STO's grind model is perfect, or even particularly good, I'm just saying that asking it to be removed entirely isn't really viable. Which, in turn, makes Cryptics claim that they don't want us to have to grind another starbase all over again completely ridiculous.
First of all thanks Cryptic for your hard work to produce this upcoming update. It's good to see more story content coming. After all that's why I love star trek - the story.
Secondly. What is with this I want everything and I want it now attitude? This game is constantly being added to and takes time to create new material. I'm sure they try to cater for as many people as they can. After all I seem to remember them asking whether we wanted Romulans as soon as possible even if done as a mini faction. I personally said no. I felt that other things had to be done and dealt with first.
I am excited to see what this new release will bring though.
It needs to be remembered first of all that the update hasn't been released yet and we havnt been given the full details. I'm hoping this is because there are a lot of details to tell us so they will update us in stages.
Secondly there is story to think of. The Romulan Star Empire doesn't exist as it once did. Romulans used to be a people who were heavily militarised and controlled by deceit and fear from the tal'shiar. But let's not just stick to racial profiling. There were seeds of Romulans thinking differently that was shown on screen. A changing Romulan government isn't too much to deal with.
And of course there is the third point that Star Trek is still owned by CBS. They have a final say in what PWE/Cryptic can do when it comes to the Star Trek content. Perhaps they have said that RSE cannot be played as within the game. But this is speculation in standing with a lot of what others are saying on this forum.
I have no problems with a Romulan Republic and having no starbases. They are splintered at the moment trying to start again and they will want to use whatever help they can get. As to the circumstances of having to chose a side, we don't know what they are yet. There is nothing to say that if this game is still going in 2-3 years (hopefully) that the story won't update to allow for the Romulans to be more self sufficient and perhaps even re create the RSE.
I look forward to more updates and info on the coming release.
-Remans only through grinding reputation on new Romulus--> I would rather pay zen to unlock the remans instead of grinding rep
To be fair, I'm pretty sure you can actually buy them for zen if you don't want to grind for them. Dan said they were available either from rep or 'for purchase', he didn't explicitly say zen, but what else would it be?
Star Trek is still owned by CBS. They have a final say in what PWE/Cryptic can do when it comes to the Star Trek content. Perhaps they have said that RSE cannot be played as within the game. But this is speculation in standing with a lot of what others are saying on this forum
Nice one. Your post will get you +5 to your shield of Cryptic defense.
Thanks for the laugh though.
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I have a question I haven't seen asked or answered so far... my apologies if I missed it.
If as a Romulan, we choose an alliance with either Starfleet or KDF, will we have the ability to change our alliance later?
(If, for example, we decide that we made a mistake and should have allied with the other faction. Deleting a character and starting over is not much fun...)
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During one of the episodes in the Romulan Republic storyline, the Federation and Klingon Defense Force will challenge Romulan captains to choose sides in the Federation-Klingon War. This permanent and personal choice forges a very important alliance.
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Man, feeling like a refugee dependent on foreign aid would be an upgrade, from what we know about Romulan endgame at this point.
My character Tsin'xing
a real romulan would stay on there side of the map and let the KDF/FED and borg fight among them self end of story
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Oh, I hope at the very least, they make Romulan specific BOFFs.
Any character I make starts with at least 3 Unique BOFFs (due to account unlocks):
Liberated Borg Engineer (Female).
Photonic Science Officer (Male).
Android Bridge Officer (Class and Gender chosen by player).
I'd expect these to be all Romulan variants, not just clones of Starfleet or KDF BOFFs.
It would strain credibility to the breaking point if your Liberated Borg and Photonic Science Officer are human.
How would you explain that?
And what about the BOFFs you recieve via levelling or recruitment missions?
Are they going to be Romulans and Remans?
Or just the standard ones from the faction you align yourself with?
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
Same with photonics.
Androids.... ARE the same IIRC.
So yeah, those seem easy.
My character Tsin'xing
Missions could be things like:
That said, I do expect Romulans will just get the doffing of their ally faction
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R.I.P
We are playing (well will be) as the survivors and later on in the story as survivors that have broken away with what little resources they could take with them to create a new world, a new Romulan Civilization apart from the old. We don't have the resources to join in a FED/KDF war when we are fighting for our own survival. In JJ's Trek movie, "Young Spock" put it best, "I'm now part of an endangered species".
There should be a small, utilitarian (very barebones), inexpensive Romulan fleetbase, Separate Romulan fleets, and the ability to change alliances whenever you want. Picking sides in a war at this point for the New Romulan Republic is insane, and really doesn't fit at all.
If your family doesn't have a home, has to wonder when and where your next meal is coming from and if a member of your own now endangered species is going to try and kill you and everyone you love at any given second, are you really going to care about someone else's war?
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With all that said I understand there is a huge amount of coding that has to be done to really make the Romulans a complete separate faction when it comes to PVE, Certain Events and other areas of gameplay. In this regard it makes sense that Cryptic would have you pick a side, but I personally think they are going about it in the wrong way.
There is a small faction of Federation and KDF in the game that are willing to set aside the war and their differences for the good of all, to unite and fight against the Borg. The real question is why didn't Cryptic simply set something up for the Romulans that mimics this as it's already in the game?
In the truest sense the Fed/KDF war is just a bunch of skirmishes and not a true war. It'll still be countless months before they advance the storyline enough to were it'll be a true all out war, by then the New Romulans would be established enough to really be able to pick a side and actually contribute.
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In a lot of ways Cryptic is really bottle-necking possible scenarios they'll be able to do with the New Romulans by forcing a permanent alliance.
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A VERY, VERY simple solution would be with every rank up when you get a new free ship token you should also get a free new Allegiance token. Blur the lines a little and keep that Romulan intrigue and shade of mistrust either until you can fully separate the three factions or until the New Romulan Republic can really stand on it's own and really contribute to whatever alliance they decide on.
Otherwise you might as well release the Romulan Star Empire and New Romulan Republic as to seperate endgame options.....RSE for the KDF alliance and NRR for the fed Alliance and at least that way it'll make sense why Romulans are fighting Romulans in these alliances.
^^ This I could live with. But I can tell you that if the Romulan enthusiast were given a choice Between the RR and the RSE, the long time Romulan fan would likely choose RSE with the right Warbird and uniform. If there was a staging area for both of these two, say Rator for the RSE, they would go there and virtually ignore the KDF and only join PvP to bloody the noses of the Feds and RR. I wouldn't even decloak if a Klingon ship were surrounded and on the verge of being blasted out of space.
What you just said is exactly the point I was trying to make. THAT is exactly true to Romulan philosophy and exactly what they are destroying. The Romulans do exactly what they want to do, when they want to do it, how they want to do it. If there's something beneficial in it for them then you know you can count on them, but you never know exactly how much you can count on them. That's part of the appeal of the Romulans.
Still, looking forward to its release as new content is new content, which beats the alternative of no new content.
Also, some of the UI changes and customisation options look quite nice
Not seen a kick starter mentioned in this thread but they have been talked about a few times. Based on the direction this game is looking like its heading with this update. a romulan faction in sto kick starter looks like its needed as well. Since they will only listen to money and not fans.
It's pretty sad tho. February's ask cryptics responses generated 8 pages. March's ask cryptics responses has generated 88 pages(so far) of mostly people expressing how unhappy and disappointed they are with the direction they intend to take the romulans. I hope the devs actually respond to the criticism accordingly and address it, alter their intended direction and make them the faction they deserve to be.
But what are the practicalities of doing so?
They'd essentially have to rebuild major facets of this so-called Faction.
Add a whole new Doffing system instead of Diplomacy/Marauding.
And some of the other mission types would have to be altered to be Romulan specific as well.
Also, they'd have to create Romulan specific DOFFs too.
They'd also have to model Romulan Starbases and embassies.
While I have no doubt this could be done, it would be a delay while they implemented these changes.
Which means the release date will be pushed back.
Personally, I don't care if they push it back, since I was not going to play it anyway!
It's not that I'm opposed to actually playing the faction, it's just they failed to deliver the playable race I wanted and until they give it back, I'm not playing the faction.
I could live with any number of flaws and lack of content if only I got to play the captain I've been waiting for since the Romulan faction was announced long ago.
But since Cryptic didn't deliver the playable race I want, I see no real reason to actually play it.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
But then I suddenly just stopped caring. The danger of that boredom of the game aside, it just hit me that there is no real RSE anymore. So it makes sense story wise with how cryptic is going about it. We don't know much about the romulan people, really. We know their government and military are *******s. That's about it. I can buy that romulans are sort of freelancers now willing to ally up with those that have aided them on new romulus. Not so much buying that they have access to romulan war ships galore for all those inc romulan captains but hey it's a game after all I can look the other way with my logic.
But then, if Earth was destroyed by a supernova, I doubt Starfleet would suddenly be non existent.
Anyway, I think STO has proven one fact about people and Star Trek: Most of us are happy with playing as starfleet. But then perhaps the only reason the KDF is so badly off course is because no one wants to play an unfinished faction with little dev support. It's like a viscous cycle. We don't want to play the KDF because it's not fully supported. Cryptic doesn't want to work on the KDF because we don't want to play the KDF. You know what would have gotten me to play my KDF practically full time? A BoP that wasn't a joke with 2 turrets and 3 tac consoles, and that's the supposed 2409 retrofit. Because it's an "old" ship, apparently. I guess klingons don't have the ability to build new classic BoPs and outfit them with the latest technology. They were already "old" by TNG(since they were around in kirk's time) but that didn't stop them from whooping TRIBBLE when they needed to. That's because the BoP design is eternal. You don't try to reinvent the wheel. The klingons and apparently the romulans learned this since there's romulan warbirds every which way in STO. The KDF NPCs are BoP fans still. See this is where the "old BoP" logic flops.
I truly want to play my klingon more, but I just feel gimp trying to do elite STFs in a brel BoP. I have a strong feeling the grand majority of other players turned away from the KDF faction when they too realized that they couldn't be that dangerous klingon in a BoP. I'd wager the farm it is pretty much the only reason. And when the romulans come and tons of people are playing romulans because they get to fly in classic romulan ships like the warbird design, assuming they too won't suck, my point will be proven.
I have to agree with you, I play kdf a fair bit. I've always thought that bops should have been a lot more like raptors are, however they are closer to being compared to a shuttle.
bops in stf is pointless. so 5 fleet modules for pretty much a b'rel looking shuttle at t5 is a total joke.
I have 2 kdf toons and they are of extrems you could say 1 is in a vo'quv and the other in a b'rel. the vo'quv bop pets last just as long as a player controlled b'rel..... something is clearly wrong there. kdf need their bops beffing up!!
also if beffing the b'rel up meant removing the fire while cloaked ability then that's fine. it's rubbish anyway.
Perhaps Romulan fans unhappy with this could go down a similar path. After all PWE/Cryptic seems to only listen to money and their bias figure/statics. If income slows down they might start to listen to their customers, but then again they might just do another sale, another public bias news article to get new players.
But there is nothing wrong with a peaceful protest
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Please understand the following:
-its just not very nice to mislead us and yes you have.. Makeing us wait during the 3 week counter, then posting basically nothing but some pictures and a small video saying absolutly nothing explicit except for one thing: there will be a romulan faction. You must habe known deep down your heart that thats just wrong because as much as you try to defend it a full faction has a lot of thing the new rommi "faction" does not so calling it a faction was misleading. Again im sure you knew that so it was intentional so you can only blame yourself if ppl are angry now.
-second for me and a lot of other ppl ST is very important. There may be some reasons why we have 1000 admirals running around instead of captains as it should be or that the galaxy and cruisers fight with broadsides which is so not canon.. So while there may be some reasons concering the game to do so, you csnt expect trekkies to accept stuff like that easily. And a beaten down romulan people who starts fighting each other in the fed/kdf wsr is just silly. Also why call it romulan faction if its just the tree loving hippie romulan somethings of D'Tan and far from everything anyone watching the shows would call a romulan.
-you say we have to stay calm and patiently wait for new information without speculating? Sry what? If you dont want us to speculate then MAYBE it would have been a better idea to tell us all important facts right from the start. If you treat you players like little children ofc they will behave as such. Its your own information policy that got us this 90+ pages thread. Maybe its time to stop treating us like 5 year olds stop talking about santa clause and just get to the point. It costs you nothing. If you're not sure westher or not a specific feature will make it just say so.
-you say we have to give credit for the hard working team BEFORE you told us about everything thats coming? Lol? Thats like saying we have to say thx to the cook after just some small pictures of what the food MAY look like and after they showed you a picture from the biggest steak you've ever seen and they getting an info like "you get only the upper left corner of the steak, sry". Dont you think that constantly paying for this game buying lock box keys and ships and stuff kind of entitles us to regular updates and bug fixing and new features from time to time?
So please stop and rethink your own policy and behavior.
That's always annoyed me, how much people moan about the grind. This is an MMO, for it to be a success your average player has to play a LOT more than they do for a single player gane, and frankly the novelty of flying the Defiant can only counteract the boredom of having nothing to do for so long, without something to grind I'd stop playing pretty quickly. As it is now, I still take 2-3 week breaks now and then just to get over my burnout.
I think Dan lets his poor PR skills take control too much. Someone at PW should really have a chat to him methinks.
Oh I know some people "CDFers" will love that Dan is "saying how he feels" and is basically telling the naysers/haters to shut up, however this is why most "professional" leaders don't say how they feel, as they do come across as looking petty and stupid.
Anyone who think their team should get praise and thanks for producing some pics and a trailer and then lets the cat out of the bag that they didn't supply the whole info, and will only then be supplying info piecemeal, but doesn't want you to speculate, well...
thers an easy way to stop this while keeping the grind as u call it removed dilthium from starbases a move that no one will mind starting a new base
I think this encapsulates perfectly why so many are unhappy with the way Romulans are presumably going to be portrayed in STO. I'm sure the playable Romulan story line will be pretty good, and many missions will be rock solid, but they leave out one key thing: the ability to play as member of the Romulan Star Empire.
Yes, the Romulans have been beaten down a bit, and they've become heavily factionalized, but that shouldn't stop us from being able to play whichever faction we want! Each faction no doubt has compelling storylines waiting to be told. Even if the Tal Shiar are the bad guys and unplayable, surely the RSE is just as viable as the Republic?
The technology to choose sides is obviously in game, given that we can choose KDF or Fed. Why not allows us to choose RSE or Republic, instead?
Not to mention the whole "Republic" thing sounds an awful lot like "Fed-lite", especially considering how much D'Tan was influenced by Spock. Unless the storyline of the Republic is outrageously good, my Romulan captain will be a member of the RSE, because that's what I want.
There has to be a better way of disguising the grind, though. And adding more variety so it's not the same thing over and over again, or a hassle / job to log in and "get your dailies".
Just to clarify, I'm not saying that STO's grind model is perfect, or even particularly good, I'm just saying that asking it to be removed entirely isn't really viable. Which, in turn, makes Cryptics claim that they don't want us to have to grind another starbase all over again completely ridiculous.
Secondly. What is with this I want everything and I want it now attitude? This game is constantly being added to and takes time to create new material. I'm sure they try to cater for as many people as they can. After all I seem to remember them asking whether we wanted Romulans as soon as possible even if done as a mini faction. I personally said no. I felt that other things had to be done and dealt with first.
I am excited to see what this new release will bring though.
It needs to be remembered first of all that the update hasn't been released yet and we havnt been given the full details. I'm hoping this is because there are a lot of details to tell us so they will update us in stages.
Secondly there is story to think of. The Romulan Star Empire doesn't exist as it once did. Romulans used to be a people who were heavily militarised and controlled by deceit and fear from the tal'shiar. But let's not just stick to racial profiling. There were seeds of Romulans thinking differently that was shown on screen. A changing Romulan government isn't too much to deal with.
And of course there is the third point that Star Trek is still owned by CBS. They have a final say in what PWE/Cryptic can do when it comes to the Star Trek content. Perhaps they have said that RSE cannot be played as within the game. But this is speculation in standing with a lot of what others are saying on this forum.
I have no problems with a Romulan Republic and having no starbases. They are splintered at the moment trying to start again and they will want to use whatever help they can get. As to the circumstances of having to chose a side, we don't know what they are yet. There is nothing to say that if this game is still going in 2-3 years (hopefully) that the story won't update to allow for the Romulans to be more self sufficient and perhaps even re create the RSE.
I look forward to more updates and info on the coming release.
Thanks dstahl
1.) Only Romans are playable in the beginning
-Remans only through grinding reputation on new Romulus--> I would rather pay zen to unlock the remans instead of grinding rep
-Alien-generated only for gold--> for kdf/fed alien-generated was free--- why suddenly only for gold---not even for zen without gold possible ?
2.) Roman Empire must be free and independent
We would rather accept a 50 % fraction then going into slavery f?r klings or feds
3.) Why not make Klingon Empire equal to Fed
They say its not profitable--- i say make kickstarter for klingon empire and you would get millions bucks by honourful warriors around the world
This game could be unique --- don't let it be mainstream.
Sorry for my English...it isn't my mother language:D
To be fair, I'm pretty sure you can actually buy them for zen if you don't want to grind for them. Dan said they were available either from rep or 'for purchase', he didn't explicitly say zen, but what else would it be?
Why are you thanking them for something that you even say has been released and haven't had full details? How do you know it was hard work?
Eh? Your talking rubbish mate.
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Nice one. Your post will get you +5 to your shield of Cryptic defense.
Thanks for the laugh though.
If as a Romulan, we choose an alliance with either Starfleet or KDF, will we have the ability to change our alliance later?
(If, for example, we decide that we made a mistake and should have allied with the other faction. Deleting a character and starting over is not much fun...)
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So you could buy a Kumari then defect KDF-side with it. Or a B'rel and vice-versa.
Plus you'll have Fed/KDF Boffs/Doffs etc. How do you untangle all that?
From the 'Ask Cryptic' (my emphasis):