No 'little' bit longer about it. Look at the KDF and how little they've gotten in literally years of development time. It'd take an equal amount of time to get the Romulans on par and Cryptic hasn't even had that to build this faction.
Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
We've been shafted (again). Whatever news updates we get from this day forward I am going to remain highly pessimistic about. They've really undercut themselves this time. A waste of a perfectly good opportunity too.
It's what I've expected, I mean, I just can't wrap my head around it at least from a storyline point of view. There's just no logic in it in the face of the evidence supported and the current theme. It's got to be a purely money/gameplay decision.
Its really simple if you have captains who fight for the feds and then the other half fights for the kdf, then there can be no Romulan Republic. What you end up with is two factions Waring against each other for control of the Romulan star empire. That is not a faction that is is civil war.
Pretty much what I said in another thread.
The Capital City is still being built on New Romulus and now the population of the New Romulan Republic is about to splinter into two and ally with opposing sides in what is allegedly still a war :rolleyes:
So just the lack of a fleet system makes them not a 3rd faction LOL
If you look at twittter, it sounds someday they will get fleet starbases, look how long it took to finish the kdf (still not finished) so from your point of view, sto is a 1 faction game
heh this pick a side is the future for any new "faction" for sto. Not too long ago, someone from cryptic, might have been overlord stahl, mentioned that the borg were going to be playable at some point in time, and now that I see what they're doing to the romulans, well its not too far of a stretch to do that for the borg as well.
I betcha the issue is the core of the game, they can't add a true faction to the game with out a drastic overhaul and since the devs can't fix old bugs and just throw their hands up in defeat, a rewrite is pretty much never going to happen.
Anyone else disappointed that the romulans won't be a third faction?
They most certainly are a third faction. They simply will not be a faction of the same sort as the Federation and KDF, which is something that has been strongly suggested by the developers since the first hints of a possible Romulan or Cardassian faction were suggested shortly after launch.
Although somewhat disappointing, this reasoning is sound and justified. The KDF already has enough problems getting enough players online at once to be a counterpart to the primary faction in the game, the federation. Adding a third faction that is supposed to be 100% on-par with the KDF will just dilute the non-Federation faction players online at any given time even more.
It is already tough to do things like PvP as a KDF. Adding a Romulan option (and eventually a Cardassian option) would just make things worse.
This is the best compromise for now. If eventually, the game expands to the point where it can support more than two different main factions, the Romulans could see their alliences with the two main factions end.
Although somewhat disappointing, this reasoning is sound and justified. The KDF already has enough problems getting enough players online at once to be a counterpart to the primary faction in the game, the federation. Adding a third faction that is supposed to be 100% on-par with the KDF will just dilute the non-Federation faction players online at any given time even more.
The reason KDF was a flop is because Cryptic had a TRIBBLE planning department. They rushed the release of the game with the KDF incomplete, then they made KDF cutbacks which further hurt the faction. They've only got themselves to blame as far as the KDF are concerned.
This Romulan setup is (long-term) likely going to fail. If they're integrating Romulan toons into FED & KDF fleets, I dread to think how that's likely to unfold if/when they create a unique Rom Fleet System. They've royally screwed up here.
It's what I've expected, I mean, I just can't wrap my head around it at least from a storyline point of view. There's just no logic in it in the face of the evidence supported and the current theme. It's got to be a purely money/gameplay decision.
How about manpower? Testing? Development time? To have a full faction means you need lots of man hours to test missions, starbases, doffing, ships, combat, faction-specific consoles...
The list goes on.
Let's not forget about the amount of bugs that this might entail.
Another valid point is that giving them their own Starbases will just add more dilithium sinks to the game. Remember all those threads complaining about the cost of projects? They'll skyrocket once the playerbase fractures between Feds, KDFs, and Roms.
I'm glad they went this way. I really didn't want to start a 3rd Fleetbase and do all the grinding to get it up in level too.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
They said in interviews a few times they won't introduce full new factions, you ignore what they say, make your own fantasy then get disappointed by reality? hm
heh this pick a side is the future for any new "faction" for sto. Not too long ago, someone from cryptic, might have been overlord stahl, mentioned that the borg were going to be playable at some point in time, and now that I see what they're doing to the romulans, well its not too far of a stretch to do that for the borg as well.
I betcha the issue is the core of the game, they can't add a true faction to the game with out a drastic overhaul and since the devs can't fix old bugs and just throw their hands up in defeat, a rewrite is pretty much never going to happen.
Yes, we'll eventually see the Lore Faction of Borg as playable and you'll have to choose Fed or Klingon.
How about manpower? Testing? Development time? To have a full faction means you need lots of man hours to test missions, starbases, doffing, ships, combat, faction-specific consoles...
The list goes on.
Let's not forget about the amount of bugs that this might entail.
Another valid point is that giving them their own Starbases will just add more dilithium sinks to the game. Remember all those threads complaining about the cost of projects? They'll skyrocket once the playerbase fractures between Feds, KDFs, and Roms.
Which are all good reasons why it shouldn't have been done. As it is it feels shoehorned in to me in both game standards and storyline standards. If they were going to do something like this it'd have been better to focus the resources on finishing the Klingons but apparently PWE decided to add another half-done faction rather than finish the one that was already in the game because the Klingons were 'not profitable'. Romulans won't make Klingons any more profitable.
This is the best compromise for now. If eventually, the game expands to the point where it can support more than two different main factions, the Romulans could see their alliences with the two main factions end.
And on that day what happens to all the players with Romulan characters firmly entrenched in Fed and KDF fleets?
Are they going to be forced to leave and start again as an independent Romulan faction? Of course they're not, could you imagine the outcry? I'm sorry you must leave your Tier 5 Fed fleet and all your friends and start again because you picked Romulan 2 years ago.
Unfortunately they've started down this path and the Romulans will forever be part of either 1 faction or the other.
Unfortunately they've started down this path and the Romulans will forever be part of either 1 faction or the other.
And thus the Romulan Republic which is stuck battling this new enemy, the remnants of the Romulan Empire and the Tholians will also be fighting and killing itself as Captains side in a war that isn't theirs between the Federation and the Klingons which will lead the the ultimate destruction of the Romulan race or at least it's marginalization when they could've been the lynchpin to stop all this idiocy so the real threat of the Iconians and the Borg can be focused on.
Adding the Romulans, will be a huge patch. I'm sure there is going to be weeks of forum rage over sudden server crashes when the third faction is installed. Fleetbases have been a huge cash cow for PW. I am sure cryptic isn't that financally short sighted to not eventually add fleetbases for the Romulans.
And on that day what happens to all the players with Romulan characters firmly entrenched in Fed and KDF fleets?
Are they going to be forced to leave and start again as an independent Romulan faction? Of course they're not, could you imagine the outcry? I'm sorry you must leave your Tier 5 Fed fleet and all your friends and start again because you picked Romulan 2 years ago.
Unfortunately they've started down this path and the Romulans will forever be part of either 1 faction or the other.
I concur - it's a done deal. Looks like for the rest of sto existence it will be just 2 factions.
The proud Cryptic tradition of half-assing factions continues.
How can you guys make a justified decision that would seriously impede customer satisfaction to this extent?
This is going to cast a shadow over the entire release, and you will be hounded day to day to put forth the effort and time to actually include a Fleet/Base system to Finish the Faction.
Its going to be funny when theres more Romulans running around then KDF complaining that they dont have access to their own starbases.
Not only is it entirely diffrent than what we have in the two existing factions, it also allows us to maintain what we have already earned in our existing fleets, without sacrificing the uniqueness of the romulans.
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It's what I've expected, I mean, I just can't wrap my head around it at least from a storyline point of view. There's just no logic in it in the face of the evidence supported and the current theme. It's got to be a purely money/gameplay decision.
Pretty much what I said in another thread.
The Capital City is still being built on New Romulus and now the population of the New Romulan Republic is about to splinter into two and ally with opposing sides in what is allegedly still a war :rolleyes:
If you look at twittter, it sounds someday they will get fleet starbases, look how long it took to finish the kdf (still not finished) so from your point of view, sto is a 1 faction game
I betcha the issue is the core of the game, they can't add a true faction to the game with out a drastic overhaul and since the devs can't fix old bugs and just throw their hands up in defeat, a rewrite is pretty much never going to happen.
They most certainly are a third faction. They simply will not be a faction of the same sort as the Federation and KDF, which is something that has been strongly suggested by the developers since the first hints of a possible Romulan or Cardassian faction were suggested shortly after launch.
Although somewhat disappointing, this reasoning is sound and justified. The KDF already has enough problems getting enough players online at once to be a counterpart to the primary faction in the game, the federation. Adding a third faction that is supposed to be 100% on-par with the KDF will just dilute the non-Federation faction players online at any given time even more.
It is already tough to do things like PvP as a KDF. Adding a Romulan option (and eventually a Cardassian option) would just make things worse.
This is the best compromise for now. If eventually, the game expands to the point where it can support more than two different main factions, the Romulans could see their alliences with the two main factions end.
KDF players (rightly) moaned that STO had one and a half factions to date. Come May, we'll have two and a half factions.
Cryptic don't seem to be able to do full numbers.
The reason KDF was a flop is because Cryptic had a TRIBBLE planning department. They rushed the release of the game with the KDF incomplete, then they made KDF cutbacks which further hurt the faction. They've only got themselves to blame as far as the KDF are concerned.
This Romulan setup is (long-term) likely going to fail. If they're integrating Romulan toons into FED & KDF fleets, I dread to think how that's likely to unfold if/when they create a unique Rom Fleet System. They've royally screwed up here.
How about manpower? Testing? Development time? To have a full faction means you need lots of man hours to test missions, starbases, doffing, ships, combat, faction-specific consoles...
The list goes on.
Let's not forget about the amount of bugs that this might entail.
Another valid point is that giving them their own Starbases will just add more dilithium sinks to the game. Remember all those threads complaining about the cost of projects? They'll skyrocket once the playerbase fractures between Feds, KDFs, and Roms.
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Yes, we'll eventually see the Lore Faction of Borg as playable and you'll have to choose Fed or Klingon.
Until the point is made.
They don't have to work very hard to raise my hopes that this game would be all I expected it would be.
Or maybe it going to be 2 factions: 1 + 1/2 + 1/2 = 2?
or worse 1 + 1/2 + 1/4
You might want to change that part after "Come May," because at max-level end-game, there will still only be 2 factions - Blue/Green and Red/Green.
And a year from now, it will still only be 2 factions - Blue/Green/Brown and Red/Green/Brown.
And 2 years from now, it will still only be 2 factions - Blue/Green/Brown/Yellow and Red/Green/Brown/Yellow.
I'm gonna need some ale tonight to drown my sorrows.
Which are all good reasons why it shouldn't have been done. As it is it feels shoehorned in to me in both game standards and storyline standards. If they were going to do something like this it'd have been better to focus the resources on finishing the Klingons but apparently PWE decided to add another half-done faction rather than finish the one that was already in the game because the Klingons were 'not profitable'. Romulans won't make Klingons any more profitable.
Until they get combined into one 1000+ nerdrage uber-post.
And on that day what happens to all the players with Romulan characters firmly entrenched in Fed and KDF fleets?
Are they going to be forced to leave and start again as an independent Romulan faction? Of course they're not, could you imagine the outcry? I'm sorry you must leave your Tier 5 Fed fleet and all your friends and start again because you picked Romulan 2 years ago.
Unfortunately they've started down this path and the Romulans will forever be part of either 1 faction or the other.
And thus the Romulan Republic which is stuck battling this new enemy, the remnants of the Romulan Empire and the Tholians will also be fighting and killing itself as Captains side in a war that isn't theirs between the Federation and the Klingons which will lead the the ultimate destruction of the Romulan race or at least it's marginalization when they could've been the lynchpin to stop all this idiocy so the real threat of the Iconians and the Borg can be focused on.
I concur - it's a done deal. Looks like for the rest of sto existence it will be just 2 factions.
I guess I was being too kind?
Hah! Granted, you make a good point.
Either Brown or Yellow are the Cardassians, but who are the other ones? Dominion would be Purple?
I shall join you.
Or, as previously stated (not by me) a mere 1.5 factions. Klingons will forever remain half the faction the Federation is.
How can you guys make a justified decision that would seriously impede customer satisfaction to this extent?
This is going to cast a shadow over the entire release, and you will be hounded day to day to put forth the effort and time to actually include a Fleet/Base system to Finish the Faction.
Its going to be funny when theres more Romulans running around then KDF complaining that they dont have access to their own starbases.
Not only is it entirely diffrent than what we have in the two existing factions, it also allows us to maintain what we have already earned in our existing fleets, without sacrificing the uniqueness of the romulans.
This is cool... Probably THE coolest thing they've added to the game since season 1.5