I have posted multiple times tonight that any character should be able to defect and join any cause (faction) with a limit to once per month (or what ever is deemed "fair")
So you could, for instance...join KFD as a FED buy ships/items and return to FED with said items.
Same goes for all the factions.
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Well after I read the ask Cryptic I had to do some soul searching, currently I looked through two (small) boxes of chocolate, some Captain and Coke, and most of a bottle of Sake'...still didnt find my soul yet.
I am so profoundly disturbed that we will have some Romulans allying with the KDF and some with the Federation...who are supposedly at war. We will have Romulans killing Romulans when we are supposed to be building a new empire. Instead we splinter the Romulans.
I am not opposed to helping out the KDF or Federation, but maybe more in the form of a Reputation system that swings back and forth depending on what you input into it.
And I am quite pained that we will be getting no Starbases of our own, even if they may be added in later it am I supposed to expect that we can leave the fleet and Starbase and start our own pure Romulan one? Even after we have chosen "Permanently" to ally with the Feds or KDF? I fear that if we are forced to choose and indeed MUST choose to ally with either party then we will not be able to be separated and will fail to become a fully realized playable faction.
It implies no such thing. Consider that once upon a time, we were able to level KDF characters from 5-50, with considerably less content than now.
And you think Cryptic would make that mistake again after years of complaints about both that and the lack of content? After they said there would be no new faction until after the KDF was "complete" and that Stahl (in recent interviews and forum posts) did not view the KDF as complete?
I think the implications favor my interpretation over your's in this case, although I will be reasonable and reserve judgment until I actually see what we get. I'm definitely hopeful, but not blind to the past either.
Consider me a cynical optimist; I hope for the best, but understand the worst may be lurking in the shadows.
Analogy: So you told Daddy that you want a new car, so he helps you with a down payment. But you're disappointed that he didn't buy the thing outright for you... Does this sound familiar?
So the Romulan faction is not EXACTLY like the path of the Federation... yet. This takes time. I'm pretty sure that they are not going to have a full set of Episodes yet, they'll release those as they crank them out.
Look how long it's taken for the KDF to get Levels 1-19. What else is the KDF missing?
So you are going to use a false analogy to try to prove your point? It simply does not follow.
"In the future, we will consider unique Romulan Starbases. For now, the New Romulans are just getting their feet on the ground and must look to the planet New Romulus as their new home and rely on the Starbases of their ally for support.
Also, a new Fleet Holding is in development, but will be launching after the release of Legacy of Romulus."
This is why the alliance thing makes even less sense. If the Romulan Republic is just getting its feet off the ground how is splitting what little they have and killing each other helping the Federation and the Klingons make /any/ sense whatsoever?
Ally implies a single aid. Yet, aren't our beloved Romulans joining with BOTH the Federation and Klingons? That implies two, which implies allies (even though they'll all be enemies in the end).
Umm, no, he had already said that at some point our Romulan characters would have to pick ONE side or the other, not both. Some will make alliances with the Federation, others with the KDF, at the discretion of the player.
Stahl's post that Branflake's copied a couple of posts up explains this further.
- you really should think about giving Romulans their own fleet holdings.
They are not Ferengi, Suliban, or ANY other smaller faction.
I personally will NOT - on my Romulan toon - donate to a FED/KDF starbase a piece of dill more than i need for my equipment. (that would be 3 science consoles and 2 blue tac BOFF's)
still, how about the Romulan foundry?
Also, HOW do you intend to rejoin the splintered Romulans into one faction again in the future?
You honestly don't think it will be easy to get them out of their already lvled fleets and get them to start the grind anew?
give us Romulan Fleet holdings now. Even if they are only a recolor of the FED ones!
Oh nice Cryptic, deleting the topics protesting this garbage idea of yours in order to pretend everything's fine?
I am absolutely disgusted. This kind of rank incompetence is why I stopped playing WoW. Want to keep going? I don't need your damn game, Cryptic, but you certainly do need my money.
"In the future, we will consider unique Romulan Starbases. For now, the New Romulans are just getting their feet on the ground and must look to the planet New Romulus as their new home and rely on the Starbases of their ally for support.
Also, a new Fleet Holding is in development, but will be launching after the release of Legacy of Romulus."
This is why the alliance thing makes even less sense. If the Romulan Republic is just getting its feet off the ground how is splitting what little they have and killing each other helping the Federation and the Klingons make /any/ sense whatsoever?
They are already split and splintered. Even in the New Romulus light story, there is intrigue and inter-Romulan conflict. We even saw this in the shows on TV, with the Unifactionists, Tal-Shiar, and so forth at odds with each other.
Why would we assume that all Romulans would suddenly forget their deadly differences? Okay, it might be a little stretch, but not an entirely unreasonable one.
Umm, no, he had already said that at some point our Romulan characters would have to pick ONE side or the other, not both. Some will make alliances with the Federation, others with the KDF, at the discretion of the player.
Stahl's post that Branflake's copied a couple of posts up explains this further.
which in itself does not conflict with the idea of a new unified Romulan Empire? Some Romulans over here, some over there, none in the middle and fighting each other under the banners of the Federation or the KDF?
Keep in mind that the team has been hard at work on this expansion and this remains an entirely FREE expansion. We are not charging for it. It will be a free download when the expansion hits. So with that in mind, try it for yourself and see what you think without any risk.
Entirely free perhaps, but it's entirely limited too. Granted you can't jump in and deliver a bunch of races to play as, but isn't the Romulan Republic essentially focused around D'Tan and the Remans? Yet we don't get to play as Remans from the get-go? That's a major kick in the balls. I'm sorry, but we should be able to play as Romulan AND Reman from the get-go. If you need to throw a species into the reputation system, do so with the Suliban or something, but the Reman.
We are happy that many players appreciate our decision to have the Romulans join existing FED or KDF fleets at launch. We realize that not everyone understands or agrees with why we did this, but it is the best decision for Star Trek Online.
Respectfully, I think you overestimate how many people are happy about this than those that are not.
As stated in the Ask Cryptic, we will consider allowing the construction of Romulan Starbases in the future, but at launch, we want to recognize all the effort that existing Fleets have put into their Starbases and not introduce a "must start over" approach this early.
I don't suppose you guys have thought about this too much have you? If people have already invested a bucket load of resources into a FED/KDF fleet, what's going to happen once a ROM fleet comes along?
Add to the fact, Tier #5 bases; Federation specialize in Phaser, Klingon in Disruptor. Romulans should specialize in Plasma, no?
Additionally, we have a story to tell with the Romulan Republic that is central to the future updates in our game. We specifically chose to go this route as far back as the Romulan Feature Episode series where we introduced Obisek and Hakeev.
With the Romulan Republic being a prequel to the Romulan FE series and the founding of New Romulus, our intention has been to allow players to explore the backstory of what has happened since the destruction of their homeworld. New Romulan captains do not even start in the military. These are Romulan citizens that must decide how they will survive. As the launch site says, "you are one of the survivors." "These are dark and dangerous times for your people."
This being the case, you'll be wanting everyone to start as a Romulan, thus never the option to start as a Reman. If you're 'introducing Remans' later, then it debunks the whole purpose of your backstory.
To answer some specific questions, Romulans will be asked to choose sides in the war by the time they are level 10. The exclusive Romulan storyline takes place in all of the new prequel episodes that have been made that will now end in and around the events that culminate in the Romulan Feature Episode series.
See, this is something else that bugs me. You've got D'Tans Romulans (they are his, right) and they're joining the Federation or Klingon in their cause (and their war). They'll only end up fighting each other. That's the last thing D'Tan would want, surely? By allowing their aligning with either of these factions, you're just throwing them into hot water.
They are already split and splintered. Even in the New Romulus light story, there is intrigue and inter-Romulan conflict. We even saw this in the shows on TV, with the Unifactionists, Tal-Shiar, and so forth at odds with each other.
Why would we assume that all Romulans would suddenly forget their deadly differences? Okay, it might be a little stretch, but not an entirely unreasonable one.
That just makes it worse, though. Ok...let me explain.
1. The Romulan Republic is poor and suffering and has to get help from the Federation and the Klingons to build New Romulus. That implies they are short on resources and manpower, desperately so.
2. We also know they're at war with the Tal'shiar and Sela, with the Tholians AND with this new 'Silent Enemy'. Meaning they are fighting a three front war already and building a homeworld.
3. Yet they are expected to ally with the Federation or the Klingons, which means that Romulan captains will be sucked into another war, one that is not theirs and will potentially be fighting against other Romulan Republic captains on the other side, killing their own people and further weakening their already stretched to the limits resources.
Please tell me how the current setup makes any sense in light of those facts?
Oh nice Cryptic, deleting the topics protesting this garbage idea of yours in order to pretend everything's fine?
I am absolutely disgusted. This kind of rank incompetence is why I stopped playing WoW. Want to keep going? I don't need your damn game, Cryptic, but you certainly do need my money.
I know what you mean. My topic had nothing to do with Romulan Fleets
While I can see how the Federation and the Romulans would merge and fight together in a display of common good that would make Roddenberry very very proud would he see it...
The KDF and the Romulans working together is ODD.
Did not the Romulans say "Klingons belong in the zoo", and Klingons say "Romulans! Arrrghhh beat them up!"
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
Ally implies a single aid. Yet, aren't our beloved Romulans joining with BOTH the Federation and Klingons? That implies two, which implies allies (even though they'll all be enemies in the end).
Your Romulan character must choose which faction to ally with. YOU cannot choose both.
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I'm glad they are doing it this way...I've invested to much to abandon my friends at this point....down the road if they do it I can see it....but right now i'm not in the mood to start over.
I get my Romulan faction....and I don't have to worry about my fleet mates, and fleet bases and can still support them
The United Federomulans of Cryptic! This is exciting news! I'm getting pretty hyped up for May. I could have a Vice Admiral Romulan in a T5 Starbase flying a ticklebeam healboat like a retro Galaxy! Heck yeah!
i would start with a very simple question: how about Romulan only foundry - accessible by both sides of the Romulan playerbase?
the question in itself is a very uneasy abbreviation
btw - so disgusted right now, going to play a little anarchy online, opening a beer.
I'm guessing it will be like we currently have for Fed and KDF; missions tagged as Romulan will only show up for Romulans.
The Ally system may interfere with that though, unless we can tag this as Fed, KDF, Rom, Fed/Rom, and KDF/ROM. Otherwise, we can still make Romulan missions and say so in the mission title and description.
I fear my Romulan character will not progress beyond level 10. :rolleyes:
Amen. Who the hell wants to be a Romulan just to join the Federation or KDF.
If I want to be in the Federation or KDF... I'll make a Federation or KDF character!
I do not want to be a Romulan just to fly in a warbird while my BOFFs go on about Federation ideals or Klingon honour while fighting for my character's blood enemies!
The United Federomulans of Cryptic! This is exciting news! I'm getting pretty hyped up for May. I could have a Vice Admiral Romulan in a T5 Starbase flying a ticklebeam healboat like a retro Galaxy! Heck yeah!
In before the thread merge!
It's actually good that Brandon is merging this time as there is a new rommie thread every few minutes and they would get buried fast.
The more support the better, I can hope. The thing of it is I came back for this expansion, I was looking forward to it. Now I am not. Ill just end up playing my klingon and fed, get bored and leave. I do not know who came up with this, but I hope they are happy, because they just screwed the one shot sto had at turning into something good. This news to me is truly disappointing.
Amen. Who the hell wants to be a Romulan just to join the Federation or KDF.
If I want to be in the Federation or KDF... I'll make a Federation or KDF character!
I do not want to be a Romulan just to fly in a warbird while my BOFFs go on about Federation ideals or Klingon honour while fighting for my character's blood enemies!
IT. MAKES. NO. SENSE.
Don't forget the huge mixed crew of DOFFs on your ship.
It's going to be less immersion breaking for die hard Romulans to be allied with Klinks than joining the federation and upholding the goody two shoes ethos.
And you can always RP that you are manipulating us, we don't mind it much it seems to have worked out with the Orion slave girls ok.
Don't forget the huge mixed crew of DOFFs on your ship.
Oh yeah I can't wait for the Romulan captains to get their Fed/KDF DOFF crews doing missions like "Send diplomatic mission to Benzar" or "Allow crewmember to restore sibling's honour."
Because the Romulans were well known for their honest diplomacy and blood honour rituals, right?
Amen. Who the hell wants to be a Romulan just to join the Federation or KDF.
If I want to be in the Federation or KDF... I'll make a Federation or KDF character!
I do not want to be a Romulan just to fly in a warbird while my BOFFs go on about Federation ideals or Klingon honour while fighting for my character's blood enemies!
IT. MAKES. NO. SENSE.
While the alliance choice is made at level 10, Romulan-specific content does not end there per Mr. Stahl in a forum post:
"we expect Romulan captains to be around level 40 when they finish their primary episodes" like the Feds did at launch.
Go ahead and choose your potential ally -- then ignore it and just be a Romulan if you so choose.
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So you could, for instance...join KFD as a FED buy ships/items and return to FED with said items.
Same goes for all the factions.
I am so profoundly disturbed that we will have some Romulans allying with the KDF and some with the Federation...who are supposedly at war. We will have Romulans killing Romulans when we are supposed to be building a new empire. Instead we splinter the Romulans.
I am not opposed to helping out the KDF or Federation, but maybe more in the form of a Reputation system that swings back and forth depending on what you input into it.
And I am quite pained that we will be getting no Starbases of our own, even if they may be added in later it am I supposed to expect that we can leave the fleet and Starbase and start our own pure Romulan one? Even after we have chosen "Permanently" to ally with the Feds or KDF? I fear that if we are forced to choose and indeed MUST choose to ally with either party then we will not be able to be separated and will fail to become a fully realized playable faction.
And you think Cryptic would make that mistake again after years of complaints about both that and the lack of content? After they said there would be no new faction until after the KDF was "complete" and that Stahl (in recent interviews and forum posts) did not view the KDF as complete?
I think the implications favor my interpretation over your's in this case, although I will be reasonable and reserve judgment until I actually see what we get. I'm definitely hopeful, but not blind to the past either.
Consider me a cynical optimist; I hope for the best, but understand the worst may be lurking in the shadows.
So you are going to use a false analogy to try to prove your point? It simply does not follow.
This is why the alliance thing makes even less sense. If the Romulan Republic is just getting its feet off the ground how is splitting what little they have and killing each other helping the Federation and the Klingons make /any/ sense whatsoever?
Umm, no, he had already said that at some point our Romulan characters would have to pick ONE side or the other, not both. Some will make alliances with the Federation, others with the KDF, at the discretion of the player.
Stahl's post that Branflake's copied a couple of posts up explains this further.
- you really should think about giving Romulans their own fleet holdings.
They are not Ferengi, Suliban, or ANY other smaller faction.
I personally will NOT - on my Romulan toon - donate to a FED/KDF starbase a piece of dill more than i need for my equipment. (that would be 3 science consoles and 2 blue tac BOFF's)
still, how about the Romulan foundry?
Also, HOW do you intend to rejoin the splintered Romulans into one faction again in the future?
You honestly don't think it will be easy to get them out of their already lvled fleets and get them to start the grind anew?
give us Romulan Fleet holdings now. Even if they are only a recolor of the FED ones!
I am absolutely disgusted. This kind of rank incompetence is why I stopped playing WoW. Want to keep going? I don't need your damn game, Cryptic, but you certainly do need my money.
They are already split and splintered. Even in the New Romulus light story, there is intrigue and inter-Romulan conflict. We even saw this in the shows on TV, with the Unifactionists, Tal-Shiar, and so forth at odds with each other.
Why would we assume that all Romulans would suddenly forget their deadly differences? Okay, it might be a little stretch, but not an entirely unreasonable one.
which in itself does not conflict with the idea of a new unified Romulan Empire? Some Romulans over here, some over there, none in the middle and fighting each other under the banners of the Federation or the KDF?
Respectfully, I think you overestimate how many people are happy about this than those that are not.
I don't suppose you guys have thought about this too much have you? If people have already invested a bucket load of resources into a FED/KDF fleet, what's going to happen once a ROM fleet comes along?
Add to the fact, Tier #5 bases; Federation specialize in Phaser, Klingon in Disruptor. Romulans should specialize in Plasma, no?
This being the case, you'll be wanting everyone to start as a Romulan, thus never the option to start as a Reman. If you're 'introducing Remans' later, then it debunks the whole purpose of your backstory.
See, this is something else that bugs me. You've got D'Tans Romulans (they are his, right) and they're joining the Federation or Klingon in their cause (and their war). They'll only end up fighting each other. That's the last thing D'Tan would want, surely? By allowing their aligning with either of these factions, you're just throwing them into hot water.
That just makes it worse, though. Ok...let me explain.
1. The Romulan Republic is poor and suffering and has to get help from the Federation and the Klingons to build New Romulus. That implies they are short on resources and manpower, desperately so.
2. We also know they're at war with the Tal'shiar and Sela, with the Tholians AND with this new 'Silent Enemy'. Meaning they are fighting a three front war already and building a homeworld.
3. Yet they are expected to ally with the Federation or the Klingons, which means that Romulan captains will be sucked into another war, one that is not theirs and will potentially be fighting against other Romulan Republic captains on the other side, killing their own people and further weakening their already stretched to the limits resources.
Please tell me how the current setup makes any sense in light of those facts?
I know what you mean. My topic had nothing to do with Romulan Fleets
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How Romulans Should Choose What Faction They Are In
The KDF and the Romulans working together is ODD.
Did not the Romulans say "Klingons belong in the zoo", and Klingons say "Romulans! Arrrghhh beat them up!"
Your Romulan character must choose which faction to ally with. YOU cannot choose both.
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I get my Romulan faction....and I don't have to worry about my fleet mates, and fleet bases and can still support them
I'll have my cake now thank you
I fear my Romulan character will not progress beyond level 10. :rolleyes:
I'm guessing it will be like we currently have for Fed and KDF; missions tagged as Romulan will only show up for Romulans.
The Ally system may interfere with that though, unless we can tag this as Fed, KDF, Rom, Fed/Rom, and KDF/ROM. Otherwise, we can still make Romulan missions and say so in the mission title and description.
Amen. Who the hell wants to be a Romulan just to join the Federation or KDF.
If I want to be in the Federation or KDF... I'll make a Federation or KDF character!
I do not want to be a Romulan just to fly in a warbird while my BOFFs go on about Federation ideals or Klingon honour while fighting for my character's blood enemies!
IT. MAKES. NO. SENSE.
In before the thread merge!
It's actually good that Brandon is merging this time as there is a new rommie thread every few minutes and they would get buried fast.
Don't forget the huge mixed crew of DOFFs on your ship.
Don't you know there isn't anything such as neutral in Star Trek.
- Lewis Burwell "chesty" Puller
How Romulans Should Choose What Faction They Are In
It's going to be less immersion breaking for die hard Romulans to be allied with Klinks than joining the federation and upholding the goody two shoes ethos.
And you can always RP that you are manipulating us, we don't mind it much it seems to have worked out with the Orion slave girls ok.
I would be right there with you....but I want my Warbird, so I am going Klingon, the lesser of two evils.
Oh yeah I can't wait for the Romulan captains to get their Fed/KDF DOFF crews doing missions like "Send diplomatic mission to Benzar" or "Allow crewmember to restore sibling's honour."
Because the Romulans were well known for their honest diplomacy and blood honour rituals, right?
While the alliance choice is made at level 10, Romulan-specific content does not end there per Mr. Stahl in a forum post:
"we expect Romulan captains to be around level 40 when they finish their primary episodes" like the Feds did at launch.
Go ahead and choose your potential ally -- then ignore it and just be a Romulan if you so choose.