I think Im missing something. According to the LegacyofRomulus site, The Romulans can play as members of either the Federation, the KDF, or the ROMULAN REPUBLIC? Wouldnt that be the third faction?
If they don't have a fleet system they are not a full faction, you can try and spin it anyway you want for your own selfish reasons but that fact doesn't change.
They most certainly are a third faction. They simply will not be a faction of the same sort as the Federation and KDF, which is something that has been strongly suggested by the developers since the first hints of a possible Romulan or Cardassian faction were suggested shortly after launch.
Although somewhat disappointing, this reasoning is sound and justified. The KDF already has enough problems getting enough players online at once to be a counterpart to the primary faction in the game, the federation. Adding a third faction that is supposed to be 100% on-par with the KDF will just dilute the non-Federation faction players online at any given time even more.
It is already tough to do things like PvP as a KDF. Adding a Romulan option (and eventually a Cardassian option) would just make things worse.
This is the best compromise for now. If eventually, the game expands to the point where it can support more than two different main factions, the Romulans could see their alliences with the two main factions end.
Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
I suppose Cryptic will keep this plot going on for a certain period and then suddenly introduce the Iconians in a massive upset and we'll be expected to fight them off together with very little glue to explain why all the groups get together to do so beyond 'They're a big threat.'
It seemed to me that the Romulan Republic was a perfect instrument to begin moving the story towards reconciliation with the Federation and Klingons both working on getting things going. But I guess that was wishful thinking.
I agree with you on this. I really thought this is what they were going to do. The Fed & KDF would stop fighting each other and join with Romulans to fight the Galaxy's new baddies -- as well as any baddie who did not want to be a "good guy" (Bad KDF houses, mirror feds. etc...)
Beers,
Jengoz =/
"Star Trek Online is powered by the most abundant resource in the galaxy . . . Gullibility"
"Star Trek Online is powered by the most abundant resource in the galaxy . . . Gullibility"
I think Im missing something. According to the LegacyofRomulus site, The Romulans can play as members of either the Federation, the KDF, or the ROMULAN REPUBLIC? Wouldnt that be the third faction?
You start off as a member of the Romulan Republic and get probably a handful of missions and a Feature Episode series. Then you have to choose if you want to be allied with the Federation or the Klingons. You cannot remain neutral and stay as part of the Romulan Republic alone.
yeah, suppose ill just NOT invest cash into a Romulan Starbase in may, as i've intended, instead, ill buy my 4 year old son an ipad to play with, or throw the money out of the window in some other very stupid way.
I think Im missing something. According to the LegacyofRomulus site, The Romulans can play as members of either the Federation, the KDF, or the ROMULAN REPUBLIC? Wouldnt that be the third faction?
Cryptic probably worded it wrong, or you read it wrong. There is no third end-game faction. There are only two; the Federation, or the Klingons.
Cryptic aren't competent enough for anything more than that, as evidence by this catastrophe.
As a Romulan and a member of the New Romulan Republic, I would like to state my dissapproval of us Rihannsu "taking sides" in a war that does not concern us.
We have already seen enough fighting and suffering. How many of our own kind have we had to kill in defense of our new home? For the perpetuity of our new Republic in its most infant stage? How many Romulans and Remans did we lose forty years ago to treachery? How many more precious lives of our own will we take in the name of someone else's banner? For imaginary lines drawn through the vastness of space?
I say, "No more!" What greater definition of principle is there than to know when to fight and when not to? What greater message of elemental truth exists, than the realization that the Declared shall not declare themselves subservient to another? We do not ask the Federation or the Klingon Empire to die for us. Why do they ask us to kill our own family for their borders? And why do answer yes?
The answer is desperation. The answer is loyalty. We owe much to the houses of the Empire and the fleets of the Federation, and the very definition of mnhei'sahe is to follow that passion of loyalty to its end. But if we do so, will that not be the end of us? Will we not raise disruptors and plasma rifles against our own? What reflection of order will exist in our Republic then, if our army is divided amongst itself? How different then will our friends be from our foes, and our lovers be from our traitors?
My name is Havraha, and I do not fight for Starfleet or the Klingon Defense Force. I fight for Mol'Rihan, and I implore you to ignore the slithering of friends with forked tongues.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] I am a Cheestah.
Check out my Foundry missions
Fed: "To Helna and Back", "Rema Donna", "Animations with Helna", "Mudd's Weapons", "Waiting for Wednesday", "Monolith"
KDF: "Time the Enemy", "Time the Ally", "Time the Traitor"
I agree with you on this. I really thought this is what they were going to do. The Fed & KDF would stop fighting each other and join with Romulans to fight the Galaxy's new baddies -- as well as any baddie who did not want to a "good guy" (Bad KDF houses, mirror feds. etc...)
Beers,
Jengoz =/
"Star Trek Online is powered by the most abundant resource in the galaxy . . . Gullibility"
And a part of me thinks it would be better that way. Aside from small skirmishes and little things Star Trek has been about one war at a time. Klingons, Cardassians, Dominion, Borg, etc. There are exceptions but everyone against everyone especially when there's evidence of this greater evil looming makes very little sense.
Gameplay aside, it makes no sense from an in-universe perspective and ruins your suspension of disbelief that all these factions can maintain this kind of insane multi-front war on a constant basis. Especially not the Romulan Republic which has so little in the way of manpower and resources. Yet they're expected to choose a side and fight against each other for the Federation or the Klingons and kill their own people? Come on.
*snip* They rushed the release of the game with the KDF incomplete, *snip*
While I do completely sympathize with frustration over this, you have to understand that they either released STO when they did, or they lost the license. It's not like Cryptic intentionally rushed things out of the gate by choice (in the case of the game's launch any way )...
I am also quite disappointed by the news from this month's Ask Cryptic. I remember Stahl throwing this idea out there last year on the forums, which resulted in a large backlash from almost every player/forum goer that responded. This was followed by something along the lines of "we hear you loud and clear". They heard us, but they must think we were just wrong...
I'm still excited to see what this new sub faction will offer players, but I do wish they would have chosen to put more dev time in to make sure it's a full experience when it arrives.
Hehehe.....The Chancellor is under Duras influence, the Empire is helping build a New Romulus, Romulan - Klingon alliance.....it's TOS all over again!
Romulans should ally themselves with the Empire, so we can shove all those Kirk wanabees through the Bajoran wormhole right into the Gama Quadrant and let the Dominion deal with their infernal whining! lol
My assumption is that they have been significantly underfunded for a long time. I suspect the game has brought in more players than they expected and they are struggling to provide the infrastructure support. That's my internal reasoning for why they have mortgaged the future with things like Jem'Hadar and Breen ships and some of the OP items on the C-Store, because they need cash now, to keep it all intact. <- 100% guess
If they don't have a fleet system they are not a full faction, you can try and spin it anyway you want for your own selfish reasons but that fact doesn't change.
I'm gonna stick with Crytpic doesn't have the capability to rewrite all of the PVE and PVP queues to include additional factions, that and making them fed or kdf keeps them from having to write and produce more than 2 story thingers for featured episodes.
They're giving you a few missions unique to the romulan story to begin with, you pick your side, then its more of the same ol same ol from there on out. The only real difference being visuals and the capabilities of the romulan ships, if there's anything in that at all.
tbh, kinda fitting they got Crosby in to voice this... subpar actor for subpar game production =p
So now that we know that Romulans are not a true faction but a panda style add-on where we have to choose a side were does this leave Romulans? (Read the ask Dstalh post on the main page)
At what level/rank do we have to choose Fed or KDF?
Will we not have Romulan fleet gear, ships, ground and space items or will we be stuck only going with Fed or KDF gear?
Why was this pushed as it's own faction when it is really space mists of pandas?
I got to say I'm a really sad about this and cryptic could still have done the two faction pvp with your Romulan fleets just setting the allegiance to one or the other.
Make all the new factions as nutral merc factions where their fleet can choose what side to fight on and give Romulans freedom to not feel like an new race add-on to Fed or KDF.
It's what I've expected, I mean, I just can't wrap my head around it at least from a storyline point of view.
Welcome to video games. The game structure will always take precedence over plot concerns. That's just how it works and will always work.
It never ceases to amaze me that people keep being surprised by this kind of thing. They'd rather have 5 different fleet event queues with 3 hour wait times just so they don't have to team up with a player with another uniform. As if it would matter at the end of the day.
In other words, the Fed-Klingon war is absurd. It makes no sense at all. It should have ended a long time ago. And this really only exemplifies just how flawed and absurd the whole thing is.
♪ I'm going around not in circles but in spirographs.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
As far as been posted in the Ask Cryptic, there will be no Romulan Fleets per'se since there will not have starbases or progression. What is the point of creating a Romulan Fleet if you get no benefit like the Federation or Klingon?
And yes I am aware that we can side with one of the factions but frankly that is an extremely disappointing solution.
If they don't have a fleet system they are not a full faction, you can try and spin it anyway you want for your own selfish reasons but that fact doesn't change.
No need to spin it for some of us. The Fleet system is a side game at best for me. My KDF characters aren't even in a Fleet.
For me, if there is a full 1-50 mission and episodic leveling path, then Romulan's will be a full enough faction.
You can call that selfish if you want, but no more so than you insisting that your definition of "full faction" is the only one that counts. Not everyone is interested in the fleet system.
Mr. Stahl left it open for further faction growth in the future. If the only thing really missing is a fleet system, I'd say we've got a tremendous first release. Especially if the KDF is getting more episodic content as well (which wasn't directly addressed in this Ask Cryptic).
As one who is not interested in rushing to end game, I can wait for further development of the faction for a while.
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I agree with you on this. I really thought this is what they were going to do. The Fed & KDF would stop fighting each other and join with Romulans to fight the Galaxy's new baddies -- as well as any baddie who did not want to be a "good guy" (Bad KDF houses, mirror feds. etc...)
Beers,
Jengoz =/
"Star Trek Online is powered by the most abundant resource in the galaxy . . . Gullibility"
You start off as a member of the Romulan Republic and get probably a handful of missions and a Feature Episode series. Then you have to choose if you want to be allied with the Federation or the Klingons. You cannot remain neutral and stay as part of the Romulan Republic alone.
Cryptic really undercut themselves with this one.
Cryptic probably worded it wrong, or you read it wrong. There is no third end-game faction. There are only two; the Federation, or the Klingons.
Cryptic aren't competent enough for anything more than that, as evidence by this catastrophe.
As a Romulan and a member of the New Romulan Republic, I would like to state my dissapproval of us Rihannsu "taking sides" in a war that does not concern us.
We have already seen enough fighting and suffering. How many of our own kind have we had to kill in defense of our new home? For the perpetuity of our new Republic in its most infant stage? How many Romulans and Remans did we lose forty years ago to treachery? How many more precious lives of our own will we take in the name of someone else's banner? For imaginary lines drawn through the vastness of space?
I say, "No more!" What greater definition of principle is there than to know when to fight and when not to? What greater message of elemental truth exists, than the realization that the Declared shall not declare themselves subservient to another? We do not ask the Federation or the Klingon Empire to die for us. Why do they ask us to kill our own family for their borders? And why do answer yes?
The answer is desperation. The answer is loyalty. We owe much to the houses of the Empire and the fleets of the Federation, and the very definition of mnhei'sahe is to follow that passion of loyalty to its end. But if we do so, will that not be the end of us? Will we not raise disruptors and plasma rifles against our own? What reflection of order will exist in our Republic then, if our army is divided amongst itself? How different then will our friends be from our foes, and our lovers be from our traitors?
My name is Havraha, and I do not fight for Starfleet or the Klingon Defense Force. I fight for Mol'Rihan, and I implore you to ignore the slithering of friends with forked tongues.
Check out my Foundry missions
Fed: "To Helna and Back", "Rema Donna", "Animations with Helna", "Mudd's Weapons", "Waiting for Wednesday", "Monolith"
KDF: "Time the Enemy", "Time the Ally", "Time the Traitor"
And a part of me thinks it would be better that way. Aside from small skirmishes and little things Star Trek has been about one war at a time. Klingons, Cardassians, Dominion, Borg, etc. There are exceptions but everyone against everyone especially when there's evidence of this greater evil looming makes very little sense.
Gameplay aside, it makes no sense from an in-universe perspective and ruins your suspension of disbelief that all these factions can maintain this kind of insane multi-front war on a constant basis. Especially not the Romulan Republic which has so little in the way of manpower and resources. Yet they're expected to choose a side and fight against each other for the Federation or the Klingons and kill their own people? Come on.
While I do completely sympathize with frustration over this, you have to understand that they either released STO when they did, or they lost the license. It's not like Cryptic intentionally rushed things out of the gate by choice (in the case of the game's launch any way
I am also quite disappointed by the news from this month's Ask Cryptic. I remember Stahl throwing this idea out there last year on the forums, which resulted in a large backlash from almost every player/forum goer that responded. This was followed by something along the lines of "we hear you loud and clear". They heard us, but they must think we were just wrong...
I'm still excited to see what this new sub faction will offer players, but I do wish they would have chosen to put more dev time in to make sure it's a full experience when it arrives.
Nice attempt at trolling right there...
I was almost offended, and then I remembered that you are generally negative about everything, and then I felt pity for you instead.
qft /10 chars
Romulans should ally themselves with the Empire, so we can shove all those Kirk wanabees through the Bajoran wormhole right into the Gama Quadrant and let the Dominion deal with their infernal whining! lol
What better time than now? And remeber, KDF Starbases look much cooler than those generic Fed ones!
I'm gonna stick with Crytpic doesn't have the capability to rewrite all of the PVE and PVP queues to include additional factions, that and making them fed or kdf keeps them from having to write and produce more than 2 story thingers for featured episodes.
They're giving you a few missions unique to the romulan story to begin with, you pick your side, then its more of the same ol same ol from there on out. The only real difference being visuals and the capabilities of the romulan ships, if there's anything in that at all.
tbh, kinda fitting they got Crosby in to voice this... subpar actor for subpar game production =p
I think he probably prefers the term 'Cryptic Realist'.
At what level/rank do we have to choose Fed or KDF?
Will we not have Romulan fleet gear, ships, ground and space items or will we be stuck only going with Fed or KDF gear?
Why was this pushed as it's own faction when it is really space mists of pandas?
I got to say I'm a really sad about this and cryptic could still have done the two faction pvp with your Romulan fleets just setting the allegiance to one or the other.
Make all the new factions as nutral merc factions where their fleet can choose what side to fight on and give Romulans freedom to not feel like an new race add-on to Fed or KDF.
I vote for Romulan freedom over launch KDF2.0.
with exclusive ships, accessible on both sides, so they don't have to make 2 designs.
(nobody sane would call New Romulus a Homeworld)
will there even be a Romulan only foundry section?
Welcome to video games. The game structure will always take precedence over plot concerns. That's just how it works and will always work.
It never ceases to amaze me that people keep being surprised by this kind of thing. They'd rather have 5 different fleet event queues with 3 hour wait times just so they don't have to team up with a player with another uniform. As if it would matter at the end of the day.
You mean one for just Romulans like there are missions for just Klingons? *shakes Magic 8-Ball*
Outlook not so good.
What they're doing is interesting, and I think furthers the story.
"Second star on the right, and straight on till morning."
U.S.S. Weatherlight
There's nothing realistic about passing judgement about something you havn't even had first hands look at.
Nothing of this is on tribble yet, so even if you read up on everything, you still have no idea how it actually feels in-game.
Thanks for that, care to back up that statement?
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
And yes I am aware that we can side with one of the factions but frankly that is an extremely disappointing solution.
yeah, funny it was not adressed in the "ask cryptic" interview.. = you are probably right
No need to spin it for some of us. The Fleet system is a side game at best for me. My KDF characters aren't even in a Fleet.
For me, if there is a full 1-50 mission and episodic leveling path, then Romulan's will be a full enough faction.
You can call that selfish if you want, but no more so than you insisting that your definition of "full faction" is the only one that counts. Not everyone is interested in the fleet system.
Mr. Stahl left it open for further faction growth in the future. If the only thing really missing is a fleet system, I'd say we've got a tremendous first release. Especially if the KDF is getting more episodic content as well (which wasn't directly addressed in this Ask Cryptic).
As one who is not interested in rushing to end game, I can wait for further development of the faction for a while.
Opinions may and will vary, of course.