There's nothing realistic about passing judgement about something you havn't even had first hands look at.
Nothing of this is on tribble yet, so even if you read up on everything, you still have no idea how it actually feels in-game.
Except they've openly stated how things are. It doesn't matter how they work. If there's a hammer that's going to smash you in the face when you hit a button it won't matter to you the mechanism behind it when it does.
The majority of people wanted a Romulan faction, they are getting a Romulan faction which must get content by allying with the other two factions. Something the majority openly raged against when it was suggested months and months ago. That's the crux of it. It doesn't matter how they sugar coat it in the game.
It never ceases to amaze me that people keep being surprised by this kind of thing. They'd rather have 5 different fleet event queues with 3 hour wait times just so they don't have to team up with a player with another uniform. As if it would matter at the end of the day.
Immersion is what keeps the players coming back, year after year, instead of just a few weeks. If you discard the immersive elements, the game is no different than any of the free web-based crapholes you can fall into for an afternoon. This is why its bad to do things like have Fed admiral fly Tholian ship with KDF weapons and ... the customers end up treating it the same way that you treat it.
There are two reasons people come here, they are STAR and TREK. That is the fruit of immersion. You get nothing by squashing it.
I'm a little disappointed, but the new warbirds and their singularity cores sound interesting enough, I want to know more about them and how they might play nice with a Tac or Sci character; I've long been sorely tempted to make a sciscort, and one of the warbirds might just be what I've been waiting for
Immersion is what keeps the players coming back, year after year, instead of just a few weeks. If you discard the immersive elements, the game is no different than any of the free web-based crapholes you can fall into for an afternoon. This is why its bad to do things like have Fed admiral fly Tholian ship with KDF weapons and ... the customers end up treating it the same way that you treat it.
Exactly. If they wanted to go with this kind of thing it should've been a holodeck simulation instead of an actual plot, because the holes V'ger-sized by now.
You could only whisper it.
Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish. It was so fragile... and I fear that it will not survive this expansion.
Yes yes it's "yet another topic" on that, but I feel I must lament the passing of a great thing before it began and express my deep disappointment.
I wanted to play a proud Romulan, as seen in the show. Not a refugee of that obnoxious wannabe Vulcan hippie commune of New Romulus, begging for scraps from humans and Klingons.
Was willing to wait a "lifetime" for something better, but I am sure Cryptic delivered "to the letter". We're just not on the same page, maybe the concept belongs in a different age. And so the shadows once more call, while (Star) Empires shall rise and fall.
No need to spin it for some of us. The Fleet system is a side game at best for me. My KDF characters aren't even in a Fleet.
For me, if there is a full 1-50 mission and episodic leveling path, then Romulan's will be a full enough faction.
You can call that selfish if you want, but no more so than you insisting that your definition of "full faction" is the only one that counts. Not everyone is interested in the fleet system.
Mr. Stahl left it open for further faction growth in the future. If the only thing really missing is a fleet system, I'd say we've got a tremendous first release. Especially if the KDF is getting more episodic content as well (which wasn't directly addressed in this Ask Cryptic).
As one who is not interested in rushing to end game, I can wait for further development of the faction for a while.
Opinions may and will vary, of course.
what you say is very wrong
as:
- Mr. Stahl as you prefer to call him stated, that the Romulans will be the model situation how the other factions will be implemented
- Mr. Stahl didn't hint a future possibility for Romulan fleet holdings
- Mr. Stahl knows, that the fleet holdings, if they are going to be implemented like EVER, the best time would be NOW
- Mr. Stahl is not stupid at all, and he knows exactly what he is saying
- there is no faction, as i cannot play with my friends which have been playing FED till today, as i prefered the KDF. we will never join forces in a PVP match. ever.
Which are all good reasons why it shouldn't have been done. As it is it feels shoehorned in to me in both game standards and storyline standards. If they were going to do something like this it'd have been better to focus the resources on finishing the Klingons but apparently PWE decided to add another half-done faction rather than finish the one that was already in the game because the Klingons were 'not profitable'. Romulans won't make Klingons any more profitable.
You're making an assumption about the KDF. According to the website, we'll be able to level KDF characters from 1-50, which implies that more KDF content has been added.
There has been no real discussion from the devs about this, so I will not make assumptions to overestimate the new content. That would be as short-sighted as underestimating the new content based on less than complete information.
I think what theyll do is, start out with this little part for the romulans as they are in essence rebuilding themselves. Prob in a year from now youll see them with their own faction, maybe the devs will also do what WoW did to their "world ingame" where it transitioned. Youll see new romulus bloom into some sort of high tech city.
Eventually romulans that would be serving in federation or klingon fleets will they have the option at some point to go back to their own faction and have access to their own starbases and what not.
Iam not surprised on how they did this manouver as I never really got my hopes up afer learning from all the curve balls cryptic does with its fan base, but at least its something for currently romulan players to play out as a romulan of sorts with their own ships, clothing ect. Snag a few nice federation based weapons before shooting back to the romulan side :P.
Threads discussing Romulan Alliances and the Romulan Republic Faction will be merged into this thread so it's easy for the devs to read your feedback in one place. Please continue to provide constructive feedback, and thanks in advance for it!
You're making an assumption about the KDF. According to the website, we'll be able to level KDF characters from 1-50, which implies that more KDF content has been added.
There has been no real discussion from the devs about this, so I will not make assumptions to overestimate the new content. That would be as short-sighted as underestimating the new content based on less than complete information.
That's granted, I am, but I'm making it based on evidence of the past and this very recent evidence involving the Romulan faction. Now, Cryptic could surprise me, but, they could've surprised me with the Romulans and they didn't.
You're making an assumption about the KDF. According to the website, we'll be able to level KDF characters from 1-50, which implies that more KDF content has been added.
It implies no such thing. Consider that once upon a time, we were able to level KDF characters from 5-50, with considerably less content than now.
Threads discussing Romulan Alliances and the Romulan Republic Faction will be merged into this thread so it's easy for the devs to read your feedback in one place.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
You'll be able to read that most of us are not pleased with this merging (the Romulans into the FED/KDF) news. I would love to ask a whole bunch of questions, but I know it'll be my time wasted. :rolleyes:
It does make me feel warm inside though, knowing that you guys have started to read our feedback. You obviously haven't been doing so up until now, else you'd have done something more practical with this Romulan "Faction".
Now when i heard that you had to choose a side of the war i was pissed that you couldn't change your choice. That does not seem very Romulan to me. If i recall it seemed that the Romulans were changing sides all the time in the tv shows. so this is what i propose as a system for the game.
Each Romulan character would have faction points based on actions in the game. The more they worked for the Federation they would get Fed points. The more they work for the KDF they would get KDF point.
Lets say for instance to join the FEDs you need 1000 Fed faction points. So you would go out and battle in areas of the game be it PVP or STFs or whatever. You would get point towards that. and you would be able to join the feds.
Now Lets say you one day want to change faction for whatever reason. you would have an option to drop your status as a Fed allied captain. but you would still have the faction points. As you would do things for the KDF you would get points, but before you would add to your pool of points for KDF it would take away points from your FED faction point pool.
So for example :
Your captian has 1000 Fed points.
You drop faction and go do a KDF mission that gives you 10 KDF points.
Your captain would then have 990 Fed points. you would have to do this untill you reache 0 Fed points Then you could start making Kdf points.
so once you join a faction it would take double the points to switch sides.
But hey that would make it to easy to switch sides some will say. So to balance it every time you switch sides the amount of points you need to get in order to join a faction will increase.
For instance:
The cost to join Feds is 1000
You drop the FED faction and make KDF points 1000 to remove the points you already have in your FED pool. Then you make 1000 KDF points for a total of 2000 to switch to KDF.
Now lets say you want to go back to the Fed side. The fed point requirement would raise to say 2000.
You would then have to negate your KDF points and then raise 2000 FED points to join back with the Feds.
Cryptic could then offer a C-store item to lower the penalty for switching sides.
Eventually romulans that would be serving in federation or klingon fleets will they have the option at some point to go back to their own faction and have access to their own starbases and what not.
That won't happen. Because with the way this system is set up if you went back to your own faction you'd lose all the things you'd gained from those factions and you'd have to join another fleet. It'd be an unbelievable headache in terms of both rage from players, not to mention datamining and bugs.
See, the reason they could end the Fed/KDF war is that they could keep the factions but just make them allied against a new faction like the Borg or the Iconians. It's very different when the faction itself is split in two as it is with the Romulans when some are joining Federation fleets and others are joining Klingon fleets.
- Mr. Stahl as you prefer to call him stated, that the Romulans will be the model situation how the other factions will be implemented
- Mr. Stahl didn't hint a future possibility for Romulan fleet holdings at all
- Mr. Stahl knows, that the fleet holdings, if they are going to be implemented like EVER, the best time would be NOW
- Mr. Stahl is not stupid, and he knows exactly what he is saying
- there is no faction, as i cannot play with my friends which have been playing FED till today, as i prefered the KDF. we will never join forces in a PVP match. ever.
- last, but not least - it looks like there is not going to be a Romulan foundry section, so we even will not be able to do foundry missions together.
What I said is just fine. The part about fleet starbases may be a little off, but my assessment of faction viability based on personal preferences (like everybody else is doing) is valid.
Your reason why "there is no faction" only applies to your attitude towards it. Others will have differing opinions and love the new faction.
As to the notion that Stahl did not hint at Romulan fleet holdings at all, he most certainly did (from the Ask Cryptic page):
"In the future, we will consider unique Romulan Starbases. For now, the New Romulans are just getting their feet on the ground and must look to the planet New Romulus as their new home and rely on the Starbases of their ally for support.
Also, a new Fleet Holding is in development, but will be launching after the release of Legacy of Romulus."
Extremely disappointing result, it seems extremely pointless to create a fleet. The effort my fleet into selecting a name, recruiting COs and XOs, creating Forum sections and support threads on our website has been completely WASTED!
Please create the faction that the Romulans deserve to have and not a half finished job.
You'll be able to read that most of us are not please with this merging (the Romulans into the FED/KDF) news. I would love to ask a whole bunch of questions, but I know it'll be my time wasted. :rolleyes:
i would start with a very simple question: how about Romulan only foundry - accessible by both sides of the Romulan playerbase?
the question in itself is a very uneasy abbreviation
btw - so disgusted right now, going to play a little anarchy online, opening a beer.
Best bang for the buck for them (Z-Store purchases) with as little effort as possible to commit to making the real faction.
Welcome to Star Trek Online, land of dashed dreams and misplaced hopes. Never get excited about anything here because unless it's a FE, it'll almost never be as good as it should be.
Delta Rising is the best expansion ever and the players love it! No, seriously! ...Why are you laughing so hard?
Thank you for all of the feedback and responses to this Ask Cryptic. Over the next month we will be sharing more details about the specifics of Legacy of Romulus, and later in April, we will be opening up access to create and play a Romulan on TRIBBLE so that you can see how everything works for yourself.
Keep in mind that the team has been hard at work on this expansion and this remains an entirely FREE expansion. We are not charging for it. It will be a free download when the expansion hits. So with that in mind, try it for yourself and see what you think without any risk. This isn't a $50 expansion that you have to buy up front in order to play. Yes there will be plenty of additional items in the store later on to enhance the experience (we are a business), but you will be able to play a Romulan from 1-50 as a free player.
We are happy that many players appreciate our decision to have the Romulans join existing FED or KDF fleets at launch. We realize that not everyone understands or agrees with why we did this, but it is the best decision for Star Trek Online. As stated in the Ask Cryptic, we will consider allowing the construction of Romulan Starbases in the future, but at launch, we want to recognize all the effort that existing Fleets have put into their Starbases and not introduce a "must start over" approach this early.
Additionally, we have a story to tell with the Romulan Republic that is central to the future updates in our game. We specifically chose to go this route as far back as the Romulan Feature Episode series where we introduced Obisek and Hakeev. Romulans are splintered and there are factions within the Romulan Empire that are specifically pursuing goals that are not necessarily beneficial to the Romulan species (investigating Borg Technology, collaborating with Iconians). One of our next blogs will go into detail about these conflicts and how they will play into the Romulan Republic storyline. That storyline will advance the plot for all factions in coming seasons.
With the Romulan Republic being a prequel to the Romulan FE series and the founding of New Romulus, our intention has been to allow players to explore the backstory of what has happened since the destruction of their homeworld. New Romulan captains do not even start in the military. These are Romulan citizens that must decide how they will survive. As the launch site says, "you are one of the survivors." "These are dark and dangerous times for your people."
The New Romulan storyline will dive deeper into the underlying darkness threatening the galaxy than any species has thus far and by the time they finish their storyline, it will be clear why New Romulus needs to exist and why we chose to have players play Romulan citizens rather than the Tal Shiar. Future Feature Episode series will continue the story from this point.
To answer some specific questions, Romulans will be asked to choose sides in the war by the time they are level 10. The exclusive Romulan storyline takes place in all of the new prequel episodes that have been made that will now end in and around the events that culminate in the Romulan Feature Episode series. Since we are moving around many of the levels of episodes with this expansion, we expect Romulan captains to be around level 40 when they finish their primary episodes (much like the Feds at launch). Note that for Romulans, most of the feature episode series have all been moved past this point. Thus the Devidians, Breen, and 2800 series all take place after the Romulan storyline. This also includes all of the Borg, Undine, STFS, Nukara, New Romulus and end game event content. So when we say that the alliance has an impact on end game, it is in reference to all of the level 40+ missions and end game content that exist for all factions. Instead of creating a 3rd set of queues, we're limiting it to the existing 2 sets and, at least for now, limiting Romulans to helping the Feds or KDF with their Starbase while the Feds and KDF help to build new Romulus. We will be adding more Fleet Holdings in the future and, as stated, Romulan Starbases have not been ruled out.
As an MMO we can always evolve this in the future, but this is how it will be at launch on May 21. Again, you'll have a chance to see all of this in action when we put the update up for testing prior to May.
Analogy: So you told Daddy that you want a new car, so he helps you with a down payment. But you're disappointed that he didn't buy the thing outright for you... Does this sound familiar?
So the Romulan faction is not EXACTLY like the path of the Federation... yet. This takes time. I'm pretty sure that they are not going to have a full set of Episodes yet, they'll release those as they crank them out.
Does them having a fleet make since in the story line. Again more things to flush out.
Look how long it's taken for the KDF to get Levels 1-19. What else is the KDF missing?
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"In the future, we will consider unique Romulan Starbases. For now, the New Romulans are just getting their feet on the ground and must look to the planet New Romulus as their new home and rely on the Starbases of their ally for support.
Also, a new Fleet Holding is in development, but will be launching after the release of Legacy of Romulus."
Ohh look. ANOTHER inconsistency.
Ally implies a single aid. Yet, aren't our beloved Romulans joining with BOTH the Federation and Klingons? That implies two, which implies allies (even though they'll all be enemies in the end).
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Except they've openly stated how things are. It doesn't matter how they work. If there's a hammer that's going to smash you in the face when you hit a button it won't matter to you the mechanism behind it when it does.
The majority of people wanted a Romulan faction, they are getting a Romulan faction which must get content by allying with the other two factions. Something the majority openly raged against when it was suggested months and months ago. That's the crux of it. It doesn't matter how they sugar coat it in the game.
There are two reasons people come here, they are STAR and TREK. That is the fruit of immersion. You get nothing by squashing it.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Exactly. If they wanted to go with this kind of thing it should've been a holodeck simulation instead of an actual plot, because the holes V'ger-sized by now.
Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish. It was so fragile... and I fear that it will not survive this expansion.
Yes yes it's "yet another topic" on that, but I feel I must lament the passing of a great thing before it began and express my deep disappointment.
I wanted to play a proud Romulan, as seen in the show. Not a refugee of that obnoxious wannabe Vulcan hippie commune of New Romulus, begging for scraps from humans and Klingons.
Alas.
Was willing to wait a "lifetime" for something better, but I am sure Cryptic delivered "to the letter". We're just not on the same page, maybe the concept belongs in a different age. And so the shadows once more call, while (Star) Empires shall rise and fall.
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what you say is very wrong
as:
- Mr. Stahl as you prefer to call him stated, that the Romulans will be the model situation how the other factions will be implemented
- Mr. Stahl didn't hint a future possibility for Romulan fleet holdings
- Mr. Stahl knows, that the fleet holdings, if they are going to be implemented like EVER, the best time would be NOW
- Mr. Stahl is not stupid at all, and he knows exactly what he is saying
- there is no faction, as i cannot play with my friends which have been playing FED till today, as i prefered the KDF. we will never join forces in a PVP match. ever.
- we also will not have the joy of grinding our own bloody green starbase, and obviously there is not going to be a Romulan Homeworld afterall (the real one, you know the image:
http://www.st-minutiae.com/graphics/academy/history162/image_2_2.jpghttp://www.st-minutiae.com/graphics/academy/history162/image_2_2.jpg
)
- last, but not least - it looks like there is not going to be a Romulan foundry section, so we even will not be able to do foundry missions together.
"You will be the one to reshape an empire. Gather allies, go undercover and find the proof that will rally your
people to revolt."
My bet this means you will be doing the federation episode content in the romulan sectors with some ham fisted hack writing to explain it off.
You're making an assumption about the KDF. According to the website, we'll be able to level KDF characters from 1-50, which implies that more KDF content has been added.
There has been no real discussion from the devs about this, so I will not make assumptions to overestimate the new content. That would be as short-sighted as underestimating the new content based on less than complete information.
Eventually romulans that would be serving in federation or klingon fleets will they have the option at some point to go back to their own faction and have access to their own starbases and what not.
Iam not surprised on how they did this manouver as I never really got my hopes up afer learning from all the curve balls cryptic does with its fan base, but at least its something for currently romulan players to play out as a romulan of sorts with their own ships, clothing ect. Snag a few nice federation based weapons before shooting back to the romulan side :P.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Threads discussing Romulan Alliances and the Romulan Republic Faction will be merged into this thread so it's easy for the devs to read your feedback in one place. Please continue to provide constructive feedback, and thanks in advance for it!
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
That's granted, I am, but I'm making it based on evidence of the past and this very recent evidence involving the Romulan faction. Now, Cryptic could surprise me, but, they could've surprised me with the Romulans and they didn't.
...sense of WE GOTCHA SUCKERS!!!!
Hey look our friends the Romulans here to save us from the AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
Wrong Romulans
It does make me feel warm inside though, knowing that you guys have started to read our feedback. You obviously haven't been doing so up until now, else you'd have done something more practical with this Romulan "Faction".
Each Romulan character would have faction points based on actions in the game. The more they worked for the Federation they would get Fed points. The more they work for the KDF they would get KDF point.
Lets say for instance to join the FEDs you need 1000 Fed faction points. So you would go out and battle in areas of the game be it PVP or STFs or whatever. You would get point towards that. and you would be able to join the feds.
Now Lets say you one day want to change faction for whatever reason. you would have an option to drop your status as a Fed allied captain. but you would still have the faction points. As you would do things for the KDF you would get points, but before you would add to your pool of points for KDF it would take away points from your FED faction point pool.
So for example :
You drop faction and go do a KDF mission that gives you 10 KDF points.
Your captain would then have 990 Fed points. you would have to do this untill you reache 0 Fed points Then you could start making Kdf points.
so once you join a faction it would take double the points to switch sides.
For instance:
You drop the FED faction and make KDF points 1000 to remove the points you already have in your FED pool. Then you make 1000 KDF points for a total of 2000 to switch to KDF.
Now lets say you want to go back to the Fed side. The fed point requirement would raise to say 2000.
You would then have to negate your KDF points and then raise 2000 FED points to join back with the Feds.
Cryptic could then offer a C-store item to lower the penalty for switching sides.
Everybody wins.
- Lewis Burwell "chesty" Puller
How Romulans Should Choose What Faction They Are In
Surely, this is the end of times!
Nice sig, btw.
That won't happen. Because with the way this system is set up if you went back to your own faction you'd lose all the things you'd gained from those factions and you'd have to join another fleet. It'd be an unbelievable headache in terms of both rage from players, not to mention datamining and bugs.
See, the reason they could end the Fed/KDF war is that they could keep the factions but just make them allied against a new faction like the Borg or the Iconians. It's very different when the faction itself is split in two as it is with the Romulans when some are joining Federation fleets and others are joining Klingon fleets.
What I said is just fine. The part about fleet starbases may be a little off, but my assessment of faction viability based on personal preferences (like everybody else is doing) is valid.
Your reason why "there is no faction" only applies to your attitude towards it. Others will have differing opinions and love the new faction.
As to the notion that Stahl did not hint at Romulan fleet holdings at all, he most certainly did (from the Ask Cryptic page):
"In the future, we will consider unique Romulan Starbases. For now, the New Romulans are just getting their feet on the ground and must look to the planet New Romulus as their new home and rely on the Starbases of their ally for support.
Also, a new Fleet Holding is in development, but will be launching after the release of Legacy of Romulus."
Please create the faction that the Romulans deserve to have and not a half finished job.
i would start with a very simple question: how about Romulan only foundry - accessible by both sides of the Romulan playerbase?
the question in itself is a very uneasy abbreviation
btw - so disgusted right now, going to play a little anarchy online, opening a beer.
Welcome to Star Trek Online, land of dashed dreams and misplaced hopes. Never get excited about anything here because unless it's a FE, it'll almost never be as good as it should be.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
So the Romulan faction is not EXACTLY like the path of the Federation... yet. This takes time. I'm pretty sure that they are not going to have a full set of Episodes yet, they'll release those as they crank them out.
Does them having a fleet make since in the story line. Again more things to flush out.
Look how long it's taken for the KDF to get Levels 1-19. What else is the KDF missing?
SCE ADVISORY NOTICE: Improper Impulse Engine maintenance can result in REAR THRUSTER LEAKAGE. ALWAYS have your work inspected by another qualified officer.
Ally implies a single aid. Yet, aren't our beloved Romulans joining with BOTH the Federation and Klingons? That implies two, which implies allies (even though they'll all be enemies in the end).