Since there is no evidence to say that they used the word "never" I am sorry (seriously) but that doesn't mean that it can be considered. We can play hypothetical with it but for the purpose of this ongoing debate it can't be used as there is no proof they ever used the term "never"
So, since they never said "never" (no proof to the contrary) then the results still stand that you were not lied too. The items were exclusive and they were exclusive for a time. Now they are not. Now, like I told you in the other thread. You want to stand on principle that it is a bad buisness practice. Fine, I will concede that I can see how you would arrive at that conclusion and sympathize. However, you can't claim you were lied to or mislead if you have no evidence to back it up with.
The chat log you posted shows that they said they were exclusive and they were. They said they couldn't be obtained anywhere else. At the time of that chat log that is true, they couldn't.
Of course it can be considered. It was said, so those people it affects are annoyed. We just can't do anything about it, other than state our displeasure. Please respect that.
We spent 200 bucks for the CO Lifetime Subscription because it had access to the Trek Online Beta and the EXCLUSIVE Mirror Universe Outfit. We Spent money for the Trek Lifetime Subscription to get the Liberated Borg and more character slots. We bought multiple copies of the game (from the Collectors Edition to regular price) so we could have the exclusive items.
You still don't see how this was your choice to do this and that you still got other things out of it.
I wouldn't trust anyone that much anyway. It's just good common sense to weigh your purchases correctly. Like I would think to myself whether or not a CO LTS would be a good idea based on whether or not CO looked like a good game, not based on a costume piece in STO.
I agree, first we try then we trust. The choice though might well have been whether CO is a good game, do I pay by the month or buy LTS? Do the added benefits of the LTS seem more attractive than vanilla pay-by-month? While I agree weighing your purchases carefully is important for a consumer, it becomes harder when marketing techniques are untrustworthy. Just because we know they are untrustworthy doesn't make what they do right.
In a game where appearance is important to some players, a costume piece can be significant.
Of course it can be considered. It was said, so those people it affects are annoyed. We just can't do anything about it, other than state our displeasure. Please respect that.
No it can't be considered because there is no proof that it was said. I am taking you at your word that it was said. Notice I am not disputing that it was said. However, since it can't be proven it can't be part of the debate. That is like adding heresay evidence. That doesn't diminish the principle that you feel misled, what it does is diminish your argument when trying to provide evidence to that fact.
Well the Exclusives to me have always been junk, hardly used them, never thought of them and dont need them.
That being said I agree its Cryptics right to release them but its also our right to feel kinda ripped off. Good Faith practices seems to mean nothing and so every decision needs to reflect great skeptisicm.
I think the problem is it took me awhile alot of talking to different peopel to ge that ship and to put it up for 10 or so dollars means I worked for like 3 cents an hour
So, you spent 333 hours talking to people, trying to convince people to try out the game and buy it?
Wow, that's like two weeks straight without a job, eating, using the restroom (or maybe you were using the restroom, you dirty talker), without playing STO...
man, 14 days straight. I bet you really loved that ship to work 14 days straight.
I mean, and the whole paid by the hour bit. I bet that talking to people was hard work. Do you need a chiropractor after all that sir?
No it can't be considered because there is no proof that it was said. I am taking you at your word that it was said. Notice I am not disputing that it was said. However, since it can't be proven it can't be part of the debate. That is like adding heresay evidence. That doesn't diminish the principle that you feel misled, what it does is diminish your argument when trying to provide evidence to that fact.
Please get off you legal high horse. We who are affected have proof, as we were directly told such. We just can't demonstrate it, other than for the samples we've found. You can not change what people were told.
Of course it can be considered. It was said, so those people it affects are annoyed. We just can't do anything about it, other than state our displeasure. Please respect that.
The part I have highlighted in red is the ONLY thing you can do since you have no real evidence to the contrary. Nice to see you actually saying that.
Please get off you legal high horse. We who are affected have proof, as we were directly told such. We just can't demonstrate it, other than for the samples we've found. You can not change what people were told.
Well, technically speaking, if you can't find it, you don't have proof.
I agree, first we try then we trust. The choice though might well have been whether CO is a good game, do I pay by the month or buy LTS? Do the added benefits of the LTS seem more attractive than vanilla pay-by-month? While I agree weighing your purchases carefully is important for a consumer, it becomes harder when marketing techniques are untrustworthy. Just because we know they are untrustworthy doesn't make what they do right.
In a game where appearance is important to some players, a costume piece can be significant.
A $200 dollar, in game only costume piece does say significant things about a person.
I couldn't tell you how many times I've seen commercials for a Disney movie being re-released on DVD "for a limited time before it gets locked away in the vaults forever!".... only to show up on store shelves again the following Christmas, and in the dollar bin after Black Friday.
People paid extra for the privilege of having access to unique and exclusive items before others who didn't pay extra for them did, and they got what the paid for.
The Star Wars trilogy on VHS. "Last time they'll be available!"
Next summer... "Special Edition" comes to theaters. F***in' Lucas....
Couple years later... the 'definitive' edition. *******.
Oh, well. I have the version on tape where HAN SHOT FIRST, GODDAMMIT!
*wipes froth from mouth* So... how about that weather?
ETA: And where's a VHS player when you need it? Damn you, George Lucas! Damn youuuuuuuu! /khan
No it can't be considered because there is no proof that it was said. I am taking you at your word that it was said. Notice I am not disputing that it was said. However, since it can't be proven it can't be part of the debate. That is like adding heresay evidence. That doesn't diminish the principle that you feel misled, what it does is diminish your argument when trying to provide evidence to that fact.
Dryan already posted evidence several pages back. Daeke specifically said that it was only obtainable through the LTS.
That people seem to think he meant some sort of cryptic (No pun intended.) market-speak speaks leagues about how far you're willing to stretch the facts to get your way. Honestly, if that wasn't enough to make you understand the CO LTSers point of view, I doubt anything will.
Please get off you legal high horse. We who are affected have proof, as we were directly told such. We just can't demonstrate it, other than for the samples we've found. You can not change what people were told.
Nobody is on a legal high horse. He said "That is like adding heresay evidence." just as an example. If you can't demonstrate it then you have no proof. We are not trying to change what people were told.
That people seem to think he meant some sort of cryptic (No pun intended.) market-speak speaks leagues about how far you're willing to stretch the facts to get your way. Honestly, if that wasn't enough to make you understand the CO LTSers point of view, I doubt anything will.
It's not about an inability to understand a few people's point of view. It's about understanding that point of view, and knowing it to be founded only in a false sense of entitlement.
Please get off you legal high horse. We who are affected have proof, as we were directly told such. We just can't demonstrate it, other than for the samples we've found. You can not change what people were told.
Ya know, I have tried to be understanding of the principle of your argument. I have tried to explain to you that I don't disagree that something was said to you. I tried to point out that you don't have ANY evidence to back you your claim.. which by the way you don't. Not even that chat log... sorry. Also it is interesting that you claim I have a legal high horse when it was you that yesterday brought the subject of EU law into this.
At this point, all I can see is I can see the bovine excrement in your argument. You fail to see it, that is on you.
Finally. I don't know any other way how to put his but you are wrong, wrong and wrong.
Dryan already posted evidence several pages back. Daeke specifically said that it was only obtainable through the LTS.
That people seem to think he meant some sort of cryptic (No pun intended.) market-speak speaks leagues about how far you're willing to stretch the facts to get your way. Honestly, if that wasn't enough to make you understand the CO LTSers point of view, I doubt anything will.
Yes, that' is what Daeke said. At the time that Daeke said that, Daeke was entirely correct.
Just as the example of the movie was given:
when Star Trek was released in movie theaters last year in the spring months, you could only see it in the movie theaters.
When Star Trek was released to DvD in November, the options changed.
So, you spent 333 hours talking to people, trying to convince people to try out the game and buy it?
Wow, that's like two weeks straight without a job, eating, using the restroom (or maybe you were using the restroom, you dirty talker), without playing STO...
man, 14 days straight. I bet you really loved that ship to work 14 days straight.
I mean, and the whole paid by the hour bit. I bet that talking to people was hard work. Do you need a chiropractor after all that sir?
I love how you take things so literally it amusses me
Nobody is on a legal high horse. He said "That is like adding heresay evidence." just as an example. If you can't demonstrate it then you have no proof. We are not trying to change what people were told.
That is a legal high horse.
If you ask a question directly to someone, and you are given a clear answer you can't change that. Just because in depth informaiton isn't around anymore to evidence it, doesn't mean that conversation didn't take place. We have at least demonstated such questions were being raised and we were receiving answers, which indicated a true exclusive nature.
See, you're the kind of person who deserves an exclusive Threadnought Donut. Despite the earlier arguments, you can accept the meme and have good humor about it. So go ahead and put one in your sig to show that William guy what being mature looks like.
The guy gives you the opportunity to earn a free ship without paying for it.
If you're going to try and troll me, at least refer to the post i made in its context.
Context of the post being, Cryptic opening up said items - be they referal program or preorder items is nothing more than another way for them to tap into extra revenue. Conveniently, some wanted these items thus giving Cryptic a smokescreen for making them available: "People wanted it so we did it" instead of making them veteran rewards (an excellent suggestion imo) or just flat out admitting it's just to make money. After all these items just opened up have been in game from the start (except the AGT G-X) and took no extra art or development time, yet they're in the store like stuff released since launch that did, races, ship skins etc).
So, if it truly was about the players vs making money, why put a charge on something that took no additional development time?
yeah, but months down the road, he mentioned I might get the same donut at another shop for $3.50.
Think about it, you thought that by buying the contract to the donut shop business, you'd have exclusive rights to that donut of yours, but I take it from you in months from now!
You may make a profit, but you'll never be so 1337!
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Of course it can be considered. It was said, so those people it affects are annoyed. We just can't do anything about it, other than state our displeasure. Please respect that.
You still don't see how this was your choice to do this and that you still got other things out of it.
Me too, although they are currently losing market share to dunken doughnuts.
I agree, first we try then we trust. The choice though might well have been whether CO is a good game, do I pay by the month or buy LTS? Do the added benefits of the LTS seem more attractive than vanilla pay-by-month? While I agree weighing your purchases carefully is important for a consumer, it becomes harder when marketing techniques are untrustworthy. Just because we know they are untrustworthy doesn't make what they do right.
In a game where appearance is important to some players, a costume piece can be significant.
No it can't be considered because there is no proof that it was said. I am taking you at your word that it was said. Notice I am not disputing that it was said. However, since it can't be proven it can't be part of the debate. That is like adding heresay evidence. That doesn't diminish the principle that you feel misled, what it does is diminish your argument when trying to provide evidence to that fact.
That being said I agree its Cryptics right to release them but its also our right to feel kinda ripped off. Good Faith practices seems to mean nothing and so every decision needs to reflect great skeptisicm.
So, you spent 333 hours talking to people, trying to convince people to try out the game and buy it?
Wow, that's like two weeks straight without a job, eating, using the restroom (or maybe you were using the restroom, you dirty talker), without playing STO...
man, 14 days straight. I bet you really loved that ship to work 14 days straight.
I mean, and the whole paid by the hour bit. I bet that talking to people was hard work. Do you need a chiropractor after all that sir?
Please get off you legal high horse. We who are affected have proof, as we were directly told such. We just can't demonstrate it, other than for the samples we've found. You can not change what people were told.
The part I have highlighted in red is the ONLY thing you can do since you have no real evidence to the contrary. Nice to see you actually saying that.
Well, technically speaking, if you can't find it, you don't have proof.
A $200 dollar, in game only costume piece does say significant things about a person.
We should open our threadnaght doughnot shop since we would be the only ones to sell them we would could say exclusively here we'd make millions
The Star Wars trilogy on VHS. "Last time they'll be available!"
Next summer... "Special Edition" comes to theaters. F***in' Lucas....
Couple years later... the 'definitive' edition. *******.
Oh, well. I have the version on tape where HAN SHOT FIRST, GODDAMMIT!
*wipes froth from mouth* So... how about that weather?
ETA: And where's a VHS player when you need it? Damn you, George Lucas! Damn youuuuuuuu! /khan
Yeah, I know and agree. That's why I and others are/have been posting. We aren't going for any legal battles, or anything.
Also, interestingly, probably not the thing they want it to say.
true, but we can also comment on it.
freedom of speech comes with a price of sounding silly to certain people.
Dryan already posted evidence several pages back. Daeke specifically said that it was only obtainable through the LTS.
That people seem to think he meant some sort of cryptic (No pun intended.) market-speak speaks leagues about how far you're willing to stretch the facts to get your way. Honestly, if that wasn't enough to make you understand the CO LTSers point of view, I doubt anything will.
Nobody is on a legal high horse. He said "That is like adding heresay evidence." just as an example. If you can't demonstrate it then you have no proof. We are not trying to change what people were told.
It's not about an inability to understand a few people's point of view. It's about understanding that point of view, and knowing it to be founded only in a false sense of entitlement.
I already have exclusive claim to the creation and distribution of Threadnought Donuts. You'll have to become a retailer of mine.
Ya know, I have tried to be understanding of the principle of your argument. I have tried to explain to you that I don't disagree that something was said to you. I tried to point out that you don't have ANY evidence to back you your claim.. which by the way you don't. Not even that chat log... sorry. Also it is interesting that you claim I have a legal high horse when it was you that yesterday brought the subject of EU law into this.
At this point, all I can see is I can see the bovine excrement in your argument. You fail to see it, that is on you.
Finally. I don't know any other way how to put his but you are wrong, wrong and wrong.
So, have a doughnut and be happy.
Yes, that' is what Daeke said. At the time that Daeke said that, Daeke was entirely correct.
Just as the example of the movie was given:
when Star Trek was released in movie theaters last year in the spring months, you could only see it in the movie theaters.
When Star Trek was released to DvD in November, the options changed.
I love how you take things so literally it amusses me
Now that is a great business venture!!!
That is a legal high horse.
If you ask a question directly to someone, and you are given a clear answer you can't change that. Just because in depth informaiton isn't around anymore to evidence it, doesn't mean that conversation didn't take place. We have at least demonstated such questions were being raised and we were receiving answers, which indicated a true exclusive nature.
I know all about that feeling
Do I get an Exclusive contract?
Exclusive AND unique.
See, you're the kind of person who deserves an exclusive Threadnought Donut. Despite the earlier arguments, you can accept the meme and have good humor about it. So go ahead and put one in your sig to show that William guy what being mature looks like.
If you're going to try and troll me, at least refer to the post i made in its context.
Context of the post being, Cryptic opening up said items - be they referal program or preorder items is nothing more than another way for them to tap into extra revenue. Conveniently, some wanted these items thus giving Cryptic a smokescreen for making them available: "People wanted it so we did it" instead of making them veteran rewards (an excellent suggestion imo) or just flat out admitting it's just to make money. After all these items just opened up have been in game from the start (except the AGT G-X) and took no extra art or development time, yet they're in the store like stuff released since launch that did, races, ship skins etc).
So, if it truly was about the players vs making money, why put a charge on something that took no additional development time?
Just since you seemed to need it spelled out.
yeah, but months down the road, he mentioned I might get the same donut at another shop for $3.50.
Think about it, you thought that by buying the contract to the donut shop business, you'd have exclusive rights to that donut of yours, but I take it from you in months from now!
You may make a profit, but you'll never be so 1337!