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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    This thread is so much fun.

    So much QQ fit into such a tiny space lol
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    the word has many meanings :D

    yeah,..and all of them are even less common than "exclusive" :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    This thread is so much fun.

    So much QQ fit into such a tiny space lol

    Where you see "QQ", others might see an attempt to compromise. There are people who have these exclusives that cannot be found elsewhere who are willing to put up the MU unis or Lib Borg for others to eventually get. I may only have the Borg, but I think it should be a Vet reward. I have friends who have the CO LTS with the uniform that are willing to see it put up as a Vet reward. There are a lot of threads and posts saying so. There really are only a vocal few who are trying to keep these things to themselves and that screams "elitism" to me. I don't see many people screaming "just give us this stuff for free". Lots of people are willing to WORK and EARN these items.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Um...I think...I think I'll stay away from that. And no, he has a valid argument. People who have these exclusives are willing to compromise to let others either have them or something similar. Those who want to withhold anything from other players just want their toys to themselves. And those who want those items without working for it in any fashion just want instant gratification. I'm willing to meet in the middle. Make the MU uni, the Lib Borg, the new hot X-exclusive item available to others, but make them earn it. If Cryptic HAS to put stuff up in the C-Store, make it a variation...or make it something else...but don't cheapen the item, either.


    I have been saying all along that what should be given out by other means be the "bronze medal" version. For example, Have MU, have Kirk's TOS MU and the Enterprise MU and even what MU outfits appeared in DS9... but not the Spock top. Reserve that at least for the CO LTSers. In other words, compromise by making MU available, but keep SOME recognition in play for us.

    The same for Lib Borg. Make it a 500-day vet reward, or a VERY expensive c-store, or heck, even the $300 LTS... but LIMIT the facial hardware to that which appears on the BOffs - leaving the bigger headgear exclusive to the pre-order LTSers, again, retaining at least SOME recognition for our faith.

    Similar, but retain some exclusivity.

    THAT is meeting half way.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I have played STO since pre-launch(ok closed beta but that does not really count), and in all that time i have only once EVER in person seen anyone wearing the MU uniform, allthough i have seen quite a numerous amounts of liberated borg.

    So yeah, i guess unique and exclusive means = complete waste of Cryptic's resources. :rolleyes:

    And i got an even better idea, Cryptic can make an awesome brand new exclusive that is available to everyone who does NOT have the CO lifetime sub. :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Alexraptor wrote: »
    I have played STO since pre-launch(ok closed beta but that does not really count), and in all that time i have only once EVER in person seen anyone wearing the MU uniform, allthough i have seen quite a numerous amounts of liberated borg.

    So yeah, i guess unique and exclusive means = complete waste of Cryptic's resources. :rolleyes:

    And i got an even better idea, Cryptic can make an awesome brand new exclusive that is available to everyone who does NOT have the CO lifetime sub. :p

    Works for me, and you know what the difference will be...


    I won't be here complaining about not having it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Alexraptor wrote: »
    I have played STO since pre-launch(ok closed beta but that does not really count), and in all that time i have only once EVER in person seen anyone wearing the MU uniform, allthough i have seen quite a numerous amounts of liberated borg.

    Odd. I see someone in pieces of it nearly every day. (Not counting myself obviously) Not to borg levels, but far more than I thought had it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Works for me, and you know what the difference will be...


    I won't be here complaining about not having it.

    Or making TRIBBLE uncomparable arguments? :rolleyes:
    Good one. I guess this means that if you want a car, you should just be able to go and take one out of some "elitist's" garage for yourself, because you should have one too.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    exactly you're not willing to pay what someone else paid but you want it anyway so those that paid 200 myself excluded should get jipped because you want what they have?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Alexraptor wrote: »
    Or making TRIBBLE uncomparable arguments? :rolleyes:

    No, I promise I won't be copying any of the arguments you have made here. I already said that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I hate to pull this card out, but, really ...

    It's an unwritten forum rule here. No one argues with Panthro. It's not allowed. He's a thundercat. He has nunchuks. He drives the Thunder Tank.

    It's the no-win situation that the Kobyashi Maru is supposed to teach us all about. You can't ague with Panthro.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    As a owner of MU uniforms I would not mind if they are made non-exclusive to the CO Offer. However anyone wanting the uniforms should show equal investment to get them. For a veteran reward, that would be around 400 Days Subscribed. Which may mean 500 days since there's already set rewards for 400.

    This would be an acceptable solution to the problem.

    However, I would like to add that the mirror universe is an iconic part of the Star Trek Universe and you Cryptic are telling me (I am not asking, you are telling me) that I must get a lifetime subscription to another game in order to be able to get the uniforms of the MU.

    Let me lead off by saying that I have been pleased with STO, the updates you have and will provide and your interaction with the player base. I really have. You have done a good job Cryptic, but let me make one thing clear:

    I could not care less about CO!

    I really mean that. CO means nothing to me. I will never play CO. I am here and will gladly pay to play STO. You, Cryptic, have decided to restrict access to a part of the game, placing a very large and for some people restrictive price tag on a very small item. I am mortified by your business practice and quite frankly it has left me with an uneasy feeling as to how far you would go in the future. This this is akin to something a company did to a MMO in a galaxy far far away.

    Like Mirror-Master, I think that releasing the MU after 500 days would be more than acceptable solution for everyone.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    u·nique
       /yuˈnik/ Show Spelled[yoo-neek] Show IPA
    –adjective

    1. (DOES NOT APPLY (DNA)
    existing as the only one or as the sole example; single; solitary in type or characteristics: a unique copy of an ancient manuscript.
    2. (DOES NOT APPLY (DNA)
    having no like or equal; unparalleled; incomparable: Bach was unique in his handling of counterpoint.
    3. (DOES NOT APPLY (DNA)
    limited in occurrence to a given class, situation, or area: a species unique to Australia.
    4 (DOES NOT APPLY (DNA)
    limited to a single outcome or result; without alternative possibilities: Certain types of problems have unique solutions.
    5.
    not typical; unusual: She has a very unique smile.
    –noun

    6.
    the embodiment of unique characteristics; the only specimen of a given kind: The unique is also the improbable


    Unique is even more powerfully focused than Exclusive. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot... (INCORRECT AGAIN, Only if your reading the definition that applies unique as singular,one or alone I.E. definitions 1-4)

    CHECKMATE (Delusional I see, I bet your still looking for fictional WMD's in IRAQ too.)

    Correct you were CHECKMATED, That is the first correct and factual thing I have heard you say all day. Thank you for proving my point so nicely with the above definition of unique. The first four definitions do not apply, because the meaning is singular as in only one person could have MU Uniforms. Therefore we are left with 5&6 that prove my point of NON EXCLUSIVITY. Reality and reading comprehension is not your strong suit I see. You may call checkmate, but it will only satisfy your own delusion.( FACTS ARE FACTS.) For the game has been over for most of the day and the checkmate was not in your favor. The checkmate is by definition a factual defeat:
    1 : to arrest,
    thwart, or counter completely
    2 : to check (a chess opponent's king) so that escape is impossible

    Companies term things like legislators term laws for my above mentioned proven fact. The MU Uniforms are unique you are correct, they are unique as in they are the single mirror uniform in game, no other uniform or MU Uniform will look like these. This is how they are unique. If you read Cryptic's description of exclusive, it shows only one way to obtained, I referenced a dictionary resource below. Anything less than exclusive is not by Cryptic's own definition. Unique in this context says the uniform is a unique in the type of uniform being a Mirror Uniform outfit, but DOES NOT IN FACT SHOW EXCLUSIVITY From the Champions site I quote "Lifetime subscriptions include:

    * Access to the Star Trek Online Closed Beta, beginning later this year!
    * Exclusive Art Deco costume set
    * Exclusive Retro Future costume set, available only to lifetime subscribers
    * Unique Mirror Universe outfit for Star Trek Online, available at the game’s release
    * Exclusive in-game Foxbat action figure, available only to lifetime subscribers
    * Eight additional character slots!"

    Main Entry: 1ex·clu·sive
    Pronunciation: \iks-ˈklü-siv, -ziv\
    Function: adjective
    Date: 1515

    1 a : excluding or having power to exclude b : limiting or limited to possession, control, or use by a single individual or group
    2 a : excluding others from participation b : snobbishly aloof
    3 a : accepting or soliciting only a socially restricted patronage (as of the upper class) b : stylish, fashionable c : restricted in distribution, use, or appeal because of expense
    4 a : single, sole <exclusive jurisdiction> b : whole, undivided <his exclusive attention>


    In Closing I SAY TO YOU GOOD DAY SIR, You may split hairs or slice pie in many ways, but your still wrong at begininning and end of each every day!! FACTS ARE FACTS IN BLACK AND WHITE CHECKMATE, GAME, SET , MATCH.

    1. Game, set, match 53 up, 3 down
    Used to indicate that a person has definitively beaten the opposition in a given situation. Derived from the game of tennis in which the winner of a match is the player who wins two out of three (for women) or three out of five (for men) sets; each set is made up of a number of games. Thus, the final winning shot is the one that wins the player the point that wins the game that wins the set that wins the match.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    But..but.. it's only fair that they should get what you have for nearly free.. it not completely free, because they are special people that can bypass what everybody else paid for.

    They are the children of socialism.

    In Soviet Russia, you don't wear Mirror Universe Uniform... Mirror Universe Uniform wears you!!

    MORE TEARS.. MY SHIP RUNS ON TEARS. I HAVE ENOUGH FUEL TO LAST A LIFETIME.. BUT NOW I NEED MORE FOR MY FLEET OF TEAR DRIVEN SHIPS...

    MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE QQ :D

    p.s. like my avatar wearing my MU Uniform... SEXY

    This is one of the most ignorant and inaccurate things I have ever heard. FACT look where greedy capitalism got us under a deregulated Bush Doctrine Administration = GREAT DEPRESSION IS NOT SO GREAT AFTER ALL! :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Cryptic Studios Forum Usage Guidelines ~ Phoxe
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Cryptic Studios Forum Usage Guidelines ~ Phoxe
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Looks like the "Troll" has shown his true colors. :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Cryptic Studios Forum Usage Guidelines ~ Phoxe
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    superchum wrote: »
    I hate to pull this card out, but, really ...

    It's an unwritten forum rule here. No one argues with Panthro. It's not allowed. He's a thundercat. He has nunchuks. He drives the Thunder Tank.

    It's the no-win situation that the Kobyashi Maru is supposed to teach us all about. You can't ague with Panthro.

    This made me lol thanks you win the best post ever lol
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Correct you were CHECKMATED, That is the first correct and factual thing I have heard you say all day. Thank you for proving my point so nicely with the above definition of unique. The first four definitions do not apply, because the meaning is singular as in only one person could have MU Uniforms. Therefore we are left with 5&6 that prove my point of NON EXCLUSIVITY. Reality and reading comprehension is not your strong suit I see. You may call checkmate, but it will only satisfy your own delusion.( FACTS ARE FACTS.) For the game has been over for most of the day and the checkmate was not in your favor. The checkmate is by definition a factual defeat:
    1 : to arrest,
    thwart, or counter completely
    2 : to check (a chess opponent's king) so that escape is impossible

    Companies term things like legislators term laws for my above mentioned proven fact. The MU Uniforms are unique you are correct, they are unique as in they are the single mirror uniform in game, no other uniform or MU Uniform will look like these. This is how they are unique. If you read Cryptic's description of exclusive, it shows only one way to obtained, I referenced a dictionary resource below. Anything less than exclusive is not by Cryptic's own definition. Unique in this context says the uniform is a unique in the type of uniform being a Mirror Uniform outfit, but DOES NOT IN FACT SHOW EXCLUSIVITY From the Champions site I quote "Lifetime subscriptions include:

    * Access to the Star Trek Online Closed Beta, beginning later this year!
    * Exclusive Art Deco costume set
    * Exclusive Retro Future costume set, available only to lifetime subscribers
    * Unique Mirror Universe outfit for Star Trek Online, available at the game’s release
    * Exclusive in-game Foxbat action figure, available only to lifetime subscribers
    * Eight additional character slots!"

    Main Entry: 1ex·clu·sive
    Pronunciation: \iks-ˈklü-siv, -ziv\
    Function: adjective
    Date: 1515

    1 a : excluding or having power to exclude b : limiting or limited to possession, control, or use by a single individual or group
    2 a : excluding others from participation b : snobbishly aloof
    3 a : accepting or soliciting only a socially restricted patronage (as of the upper class) b : stylish, fashionable c : restricted in distribution, use, or appeal because of expense
    4 a : single, sole <exclusive jurisdiction> b : whole, undivided <his exclusive attention>


    In Closing I SAY TO YOU GOOD DAY SIR, You may split hairs or slice pie in many ways, but your still wrong at begininning and end of each every day!! FACTS ARE FACTS IN BLACK AND WHITE CHECKMATE, GAME, SET , MATCH.

    1. Game, set, match 53 up, 3 down
    Used to indicate that a person has definitively beaten the opposition in a given situation. Derived from the game of tennis in which the winner of a match is the player who wins two out of three (for women) or three out of five (for men) sets; each set is made up of a number of games. Thus, the final winning shot is the one that wins the player the point that wins the game that wins the set that wins the match.

    sooo many colours :O
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    MORE TEARS. CRY MORE.. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

    My fleet will soon be fully operational .. my fleet of MU wearing super soldiers will destroy the galaxy from your tears.

    See my avatar. See my sig.

    I noticed that you still don't have this uniform.

    Guess you should have paid for it.

    Say checkmate as many times as you want.

    You still don't have it.

    oh come on you could of done better than that :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    oh come on you could of done better than that :D

    Don't need to. This is too easy to put forth any real effort. :o
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    (a bunch of colorized, emotionally charged stuff about interpreting definitions)

    Wow. Look, we're all just ****ing in the wind here, since not once has Cryptic stepped up and said "here's the policy, here's what we intend, and while it may change, this is what it stands at for now, period"

    Unfortunately, the only examples we have are the CO LTS costume, which they have apparently said WILL become less exclusive later, TCT here, which is now a 400 day item, and the Galaxy-X, which was actually confirmed here as NOT being available by other means.

    So company-wide, signs point to the possibility, game wise, its a 50/50 split, and frankly nothing we debate about the semantics is going to mean squat.

    I have my opinion on what I would like to see happen.

    You have your OPINION on what you would LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN.

    But no amount of dictionary pounding, pedantic ravings, or legalese babel can possibly do anything but keep us at each other's throats.

    You may view those of us who want to keep some significance to this as greedy, we may view those of you who want it all, free, as lazy. That's fine, nothing to do about that.

    But enough with the lessons on interpreting vagaries... there's just no way we'll know until a yellow name tells us, and frankly the colors give me a migraine.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Correct you were CHECKMATED, That is the first correct and factual thing I have heard you say all day. Thank you for proving my point so nicely with the above definition of unique. The first four definitions do not apply, because the meaning is singular as in only one person could have MU Uniforms. Therefore we are left with 5&6 that prove my point of NON EXCLUSIVITY. Reality and reading comprehension is not your strong suit I see. You may call checkmate, but it will only satisfy your own delusion.( FACTS ARE FACTS.) For the game has been over for most of the day and the checkmate was not in your favor. The checkmate is by definition a factual defeat:
    1 : to arrest,
    thwart, or counter completely
    2 : to check (a chess opponent's king) so that escape is impossible

    Companies term things like legislators term laws for my above mentioned proven fact. The MU Uniforms are unique you are correct, they are unique as in they are the single mirror uniform in game, no other uniform or MU Uniform will look like these. This is how they are unique. If you read Cryptic's description of exclusive, it shows only one way to obtained, I referenced a dictionary resource below. Anything less than exclusive is not by Cryptic's own definition. Unique in this context says the uniform is a unique in the type of uniform being a Mirror Uniform outfit, but DOES NOT IN FACT SHOW EXCLUSIVITY From the Champions site I quote "Lifetime subscriptions include:

    * Access to the Star Trek Online Closed Beta, beginning later this year!
    * Exclusive Art Deco costume set
    * Exclusive Retro Future costume set, available only to lifetime subscribers
    * Unique Mirror Universe outfit for Star Trek Online, available at the game’s release
    * Exclusive in-game Foxbat action figure, available only to lifetime subscribers
    * Eight additional character slots!"

    Main Entry: 1ex·clu·sive
    Pronunciation: \iks-ˈklü-siv, -ziv\
    Function: adjective
    Date: 1515

    1 a : excluding or having power to exclude b : limiting or limited to possession, control, or use by a single individual or group
    2 a : excluding others from participation b : snobbishly aloof
    3 a : accepting or soliciting only a socially restricted patronage (as of the upper class) b : stylish, fashionable c : restricted in distribution, use, or appeal because of expense
    4 a : single, sole <exclusive jurisdiction> b : whole, undivided <his exclusive attention>


    In Closing I SAY TO YOU GOOD DAY SIR, You may split hairs or slice pie in many ways, but your still wrong at begininning and end of each every day!! FACTS ARE FACTS IN BLACK AND WHITE CHECKMATE, GAME, SET , MATCH.

    1. Game, set, match 53 up, 3 down
    Used to indicate that a person has definitively beaten the opposition in a given situation. Derived from the game of tennis in which the winner of a match is the player who wins two out of three (for women) or three out of five (for men) sets; each set is made up of a number of games. Thus, the final winning shot is the one that wins the player the point that wins the game that wins the set that wins the match.

    Ye Gods, thats alot of colors. But thats now how Chess works. You don't get to pick which definition of 'unique' everyone gets to use and call it a definitive victory. Nor do I, for that matter. Only Cryptic gets to pick which definition they meant. And when asked, They went with this one:

    3.limited in occurrence to a given class, situation, or area: a species unique to Australia

    It was limited in occurance to that offer.

    I'll let you two get back to your chess game now. Did you mix Tennis metaphors in there too? So confused. :confused:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Don't need to. This is too easy to put forth any real effort. :o

    You know, your posts have degenerated into nothing more than proving that you are a troll & elitist. "QQ more!" "My ships run on the tears and blood of newborn babes!" Yes, I know I'm putting words in your mouth, but you're putting words in others' mouths as well. Stop acting like a spoiled brat who wants his toys to himself and those who want them by ways of WORKING FOR THEM can't have them.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Cryptic Studios Forum Usage Guidelines ~ Phoxe
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    can i has ma undine now?!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Keeping up with the Jones' is a pathetic way to live.

    You say this while clinging to the MU uniforms and screaming "YOU CANNOT HAS!!".
    It's easy to criticise keeping up with the Jones' when you ARE the Jones.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I love the term "elitist". Because I paid for something that was listed as Unique and feel that it should stay that way, yes I am an "elitist" according to what you believe.

    I love egging you guys on, because you are all basically crying babies who are upset that you missed / didn't buy something that had a bonus that others did... now you want it for pretty close to free.

    As I said.. the difference between you and me is that I am NOT going to whine about not having a Galaxy X if somebody does have it. I am NOT going to whine if somebody has an item I can never get.

    Diversity is cool. You don't have to have everything everybody else has.

    Keeping up with the Jones' is a pathetic way to live.

    Should they make a DIFFERENT MU for everybody else. Sure,.. there are variants that can be done according the Enterprise TV series.

    But some things that are paid for as unique/exclusive should remain exactly that.

    You call me greedy... I call YOU greedy for needing to have everything.

    OCD to the max.

    This post and your others show how mature you are. Re-read the post that you quoted...you know, the part I was trying to highlight in red. There are people willing to WORK for the item or something similar. Few are asking to be given these items for free. As for your comparison to the Galaxy-X...while I don't like the way they're offering it, the ship can be attained through a little bit of hard work. The MU unis, on the other hand, cannot be gotten any more.

    And why does everyone seem to keep referencing the Enterprise MU episodes? I could care less about those outfits. Give me the DS9 options and I'll be happy.
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