They're giving away the first ever passenger flying mount for referrals. That's a unique mechanic.
And somehow, there's barely a peep about it from their gang of whiners.
The problem is, this ship is an iconic item and it does a bit more than just haul passengers, those are some of the problems.
Having people work for it in the game or selling it in the c-store is not making it free.
As stated before, or close to it.
If they were passing out icecrown legendaries or a full set of icecrown gear, you can bet the WoW boards would explode.
They're giving away the first ever passenger flying mount for referrals. That's a unique mechanic.
And somehow, there's barely a peep about it from their gang of whiners.
But does it have an effect on PvP? The Federation's greatest weakness in PvP is it's lack of cloaking. Now, an elite group of players will be given cloaking, which will give them a considerable advantage over Klingons and other Federation players. It's game breaking really.
So you think giving unique gameplay mechanics to an elite group of players is ok? I'm all for rewarding those that bring in new subscribers....
This isn't about us being mad that a pretty ship is being given as a reward to an elite group of players. It goes far deeper than that.
How are these players 'elite'? They have five friends? They could be the worst players in the world, and have five friends who they talk into playing...where's this 'elite' coming from?
And I dearly WISH that Cryptic would do something to reward elite players...that there would be some gear that you actually have to be really good at the game to get, rather than just farming exploration dailies long enough or plunking down real world money at the C-Store. Even if I personally wasn't good enough to get some of it, I would be glad that its there for them. Because it would keep a lot more people playing, and more people playing the game benefits me.
This is what this forum community doesn't seem to understand. When people interested in the game come here and see you whining and complaining about every single flipping thing Cryptic does, they don't play it. Meaning, you are harming me, and everyone else who plays this game. Meanwhile, someone who enjoys the game and recruits five of his friends to play it is bringing in revenue, which benefits me.
So frankly, I hope Cryptic flips all of you the bird, and rewards the people recruiting friends with an I-WIN button. Those people are doing me, and the game, good. You, with your constant complaining, are only doing damage.
And even if they did run off your requests, who are you to say that they can't offer it as a special program to help bring other players to the game?
The very fact that all of us posting here are paying customers means that Cryptic has SOME motivation(no matter how small it may be) to try to please and keep us playing, and paying. So thats who "we" are; their customers. However, a better question would be who are YOU to say that other people SHOULDNT ask Cryptic to do *insert request here*? This is Cryptic's forum, so if they have a problem with people's request, they'll handle it without your help. Hope that answers your "who are you" question well enough
And I dearly WISH that Cryptic would do something to reward elite players...that there would be some gear that you actually have to be really good at the game to get, rather than just farming exploration dailies long enough or plunking down real world money at the C-Store. Even if I personally wasn't good enough to get some of it, I would be glad that its there for them. Because it would keep a lot more people playing, and more people playing the game benefits me.
So why are you in favor of Cryptic making a ship better than anything else in the game available for anyone willing to blow $225 on it? It's not like you have to get five other actual people. Just make five accounts, buy five boxes, renew the subs for a month.
But does it have an effect on PvP? The Federation's greatest weakness in PvP is it's lack of cloaking. Now, an elite group of players will be given cloaking, which will give them a considerable advantage over Klingons and other Federation players. It's game breaking really.
The cloak hasn't been confirmed yet. Hinted at yes, but not confirmed. And I think Admiral Pressman would disagree with you on this point. If anything adding in a cloak would even the playing field, like Pressman wanted. I don't know about it though. There's just not enough information released about the ship yet.
How are these players 'elite'? They have five friends? They could be the worst players in the world, and have five friends who they talk into playing...where's this 'elite' coming from?
And I dearly WISH that Cryptic would do something to reward elite players...that there would be some gear that you actually have to be really good at the game to get, rather than just farming exploration dailies long enough or plunking down real world money at the C-Store. Even if I personally wasn't good enough to get some of it, I would be glad that its there for them. Because it would keep a lot more people playing, and more people playing the game benefits me.
This is what this forum community doesn't seem to understand. When people interested in the game come here and see you whining and complaining about every single flipping thing Cryptic does, they don't play it. Meaning, you are harming me, and everyone else who plays this game. Meanwhile, someone who enjoys the game and recruits five of his friends to play it is bringing in revenue, which benefits me.
So frankly, I hope Cryptic flips all of you the bird, and rewards the people recruiting friends with an I-WIN button. Those people are doing me, and the game, good. You, with your constant complaining, are only doing damage.
I use the term "elite" because it currently appears that this group will number between 1 to 5% of the player base, and because they will be given a distinct advantage in PvP. They aren't getting this because they are truly elite or good at the game, but because they are lucky enough to have 5 friends willing to play this game that they haven't already recruited.
But does it have an effect on PvP? The Federation's greatest weakness in PvP is it's lack of cloaking. Now, an elite group of players will be given cloaking, which will give them a considerable advantage over Klingons and other Federation players. It's game breaking really.
Because its part of the tier of ships that they're releasing in July. When the program goes live, even if you have your five friends all lined up, they have to buy the game, and the free times will take them into June, then subscribe, and after that first month...in July...you get your shiny ship. At the same time we get our shiny ships with slightly different skins.
It'd be kinda stupid, don't you think, to give a ship of a lower tier, that the recipients would probably never use, as a reward?
I use the term "elite" because it currently appears that this group will number between 1 to 5% of the player base, and because they will be given a distinct advantage in PvP. They aren't getting this because they are truly elite or good at the game, but because they are lucky enough to have 5 friends willing to play this game that they haven't already recruited.
Or they have $225 sitting around that they can toss down on it if they're insane enough to.
So why are you in favor of Cryptic making a ship better than anything else in the game available for anyone willing to blow $225 on it? It's not like you have to get five other actual people. Just make five accounts, buy five boxes, renew the subs for a month.
Because even if someone does that, and gets a ship that, at the time they actually get it will not be better than anything else (if its the next tier ship, and that tier isn't released yet, they won't have the skills to use it, ever think of that?), even if they do that, that's $225 going to Cryptic to help make the game I play better. So thank you dummy who was willing to pay $225 for a ship skin.
What they need to do is make everything that "Speical" available thru the C-store eventually. I want this ship but I think it is unfair way there are doing. I think alot of things are unfair. I will always be here playing, but I see some BAD descisions being made for its long term life. I may be like a captain going down with his ship here in STO and I would hate to see that happen. Even though there isn't much content yet or very few dailys to do, I am still in here every day for 4+ hours. My wife has labeled herself the "Star Trek Online Widow" I play so much. But enough rambling, lets start doing this fair crypic. Make all things available thru C-Store like it should be that others get in-game boxes, etc....
Because even if someone does that, and gets a ship that, at the time they actually get it will not be better than anything else (if its the next tier ship, and that tier isn't released yet, they won't have the skills to use it, ever think of that?), even if they do that, that's $225 going to Cryptic to help make the game I play better. So thank you dummy who was willing to pay $225 for a ship skin.
I also thought the cloak being put on it was out of the realm of possibility until dstahl said it wasn't.
And now that one of the most recent posts about the new batch of ships says they'll be level 51+ - with Season 2 supposedly just pushing the level cap to the originally planned 50 - we're looking at a much longer time horizon.
The cloak hasn't been confirmed yet. Hinted at yes, but not confirmed. And I think Admiral Pressman would disagree with you on this point. If anything adding in a cloak would even the playing field, like Pressman wanted. I don't know about it though. There's just not enough information released about the ship yet.
It might not have been confirmed yet, and admittedly, this won't be nearly as bad if they decide not to implement the cloak. However, if they do add it I see it as game breaking. Here's why:
Many, many players want Federation Cloaking. To give this to an elite group, just because they are lucky enough to have 5 friends, is a slap in the face to all those that want it.
Federation players main disadvantage in PvP is a lack of cloaking. This is because:
Klingon's can often pick off lone Federation players that respawn away from the safety of the group. Klingons don't have to worry about this because they can cloak immediately after spawning and then regroup.
Klingon players that are outnumbered or close to dying can switch to engine power, turn on Evasive Maneuvers, and get out of battle range. Often, before their attackers can get within range again, they will have time to cloak, even with a non-battle cloak.
Klingon ships cloaking abilities are partially balanced by having less hull, which makes everyone of their Ships more of a paper canon than their Federation counterparts. It seems likely the Galaxy X will have a standard Federation hull rating for Cruisers, so no balancing.
Because of the above reasons, both Klingon's and other Federation players will be at a marked disadvantage against a player flying a Galaxy X with cloak.
Players will be unable to quit and avoid fighting an unbalanced game against a Galaxy X player, due to the upcoming quiting penalty system.
Because its part of the tier of ships that they're releasing in July. When the program goes live, even if you have your five friends all lined up, they have to buy the game, and the free times will take them into June, then subscribe, and after that first month...in July...you get your shiny ship. At the same time we get our shiny ships with slightly different skins.
It'd be kinda stupid, don't you think, to give a ship of a lower tier, that the recipients would probably never use, as a reward?
The new tier of ships for all players isn't being released until Season 3. Referrers will be getting a Tier 6 ship while others will be limited to Tier 5 sips for months (as Season 3 isn't coming out until November).
The new tier of ships for all players isn't being released until Season 3. Referrers will be getting a Tier 6 ship while others will be limited to Tier 5 sips for months (as Season 3 isn't coming out until November).
It might not have been confirmed yet, and admittedly, this won't be nearly as bad if they decide not to implement the cloak. However, if they do add it I see it as game breaking. Here's why:
Many, many players want Federation Cloaking. To give this to an elite group, just because they are lucky enough to have 5 friends, is a slap in the face to all those that want it.
Federation players main disadvantage in PvP is a lack of cloaking. This is because:
Klingon's can often pick off lone Federation players that respawn away from the safety of the group. Klingons don't have to worry about this because they can cloak immediately after spawning and then regroup.
Klingon players that are outnumbered or close to dying can switch to engine power, turn on Evasive Maneuvers, and get out of battle range. Often, before their attackers can get within range again, they will have time to cloak, even with a non-battle cloak.
Klingon ships cloaking abilities are partially balanced by having less hull, which makes everyone of their Ships more of a paper canon than their Federation counterparts. It seems likely the Galaxy X will have a standard Federation hull rating for Cruisers, so no balancing.
Because of the above reasons, both Klingon's and other Federation players will be at a marked disadvantage against a player flying a Galaxy X with cloak.
Players will be unable to quit and avoid fighting an unbalanced game against a Galaxy X player, due to the upcoming quiting penalty system.
You do realize you just listed the 3 reasons why the Fed cloak is in such demand?
Though I get where you're coming from and I can see the problem from the Klingon point of view. I'll just have to remember that pov the next time my cruiser get blasted to bits in pvp from a decloaking Klingon Vessel off my stern. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
I don't know - it seems to contradict dstahl's post about more T5 classic ships available in-game.
Well, so does dstahl's own post that the new ships he's talking about would be level 51+.
I was more curious about the claim that we'd actually be getting there with season 3.
edit: Personally, I just hope that the 51+ was an extremely unfortunate typo. I don't think we need ranks past Admial, or levels. Pushing the level cap just invalidates the prior 'endgame' stuff. Options should be diversified instead and more stuff to actually do should be provided.
The new tier of ships for all players isn't being released until Season 3. Referrers will be getting a Tier 6 ship while others will be limited to Tier 5 sips for months (as Season 3 isn't coming out until November).
The Galaxy X is a tier 5 ship that trades a weapons slot for a cannon that we don't know the specifications on and it -might- have a non-battle cloak. It's not Tier 6.
It isn't exactly a clarification, but an extrapolation based on other things that have been said by the devs. Dstahl has said that this ship will be a part of the next Tier, unlocked at 51, but he said referers would be getting the Galaxy X before the Tier it is a part of is unlocked for all players. Though the skill cap is getting raised in Season 2, it is highly unlikely it is getting raised past 50, as there have been other statements from the devs that seem to suggest a raise to 50. Also, I have asked dstahl on more than one occasion within the engineering reports if there will be any new ships in Season 2, and the only thing I've gotten out of him is that the Galaxy X is pretty much the only new playable ship being released soon. So unless they are working on Tier 6 for Season 2 (which seems highly unlikely, due to previous statements they've made about how long it takes them to make content, and due the amount of non-storyline content in Season 2, it seems unlikely that they would have enough time to make 15 levels of storyline content in just a few months, while a significant part of their mission team is making Fed Diplo Corps missions.) So no real clarification yet, but it seems highly unlikely that we will be seeing Tier 6 ships in season 2.
The Galaxy X is a tier 5 ship that trades a weapons slot for a cannon that we don't know the specifications on and it -might- have a non-battle cloak. It's not Tier 6.
Dstahl has said in this thread that the ship would be part of a new Tier of upgraded Tier 4 ships, that would be released later on to all players. He then went on to say in another thread that the new Tier would be 51-60.
i normally rant a rave about c-store items and ship skins not given to everyone. but i got to admit if a designer has a cool design that maybe isn't cannon, then c-store/promo is ideal. however cannon ships should be a selling point for this game and as such should be open to all players without promo/cpoints
if thats by doing a episode on elite or something fair enough. but please put cannon ships in for everyone
You do realize you just listed the 3 reasons why the Fed cloak is in such demand?
Though I get where you're coming from and I can see the problem from the Klingon point of view. I'll just have to remember that pov the next time my cruiser get blasted to bits in pvp from a decloaking Klingon Vessel off my stern. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
I like to know this as well.
I agree that Federation cloaking is greatly needed. However, it would be wrong to give it only to a select handful of lucky players. It needs to be added to all ships.
I agree that Federation cloaking is greatly needed. However, it would be wrong to give it only to a select handful of lucky players. It needs to be added to all ships.
That would be terrible.....
As a Klingon player i would be........ very demoralised if this occurs.
Typical Starfleet player mentality.........they want it all.
I agree that Federation cloaking is greatly needed. However, it would be wrong to give it only to a select handful of lucky players. It needs to be added to all ships.
We'll just have to wait and see what capibilities this ship possesses in 30 days. Until then, this is just speculation and winding ourselves up over conjecture.
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The problem is, this ship is an iconic item and it does a bit more than just haul passengers, those are some of the problems.
Having people work for it in the game or selling it in the c-store is not making it free.
As stated before, or close to it.
If they were passing out icecrown legendaries or a full set of icecrown gear, you can bet the WoW boards would explode.
It's a taxi. Who's going to complain about someone else getting something that lets them go to the effort of driving other people around?
Would it be considered acceptable for WoW to give away equipment in the referral program with better stats than anyone could get by playing?
But does it have an effect on PvP? The Federation's greatest weakness in PvP is it's lack of cloaking. Now, an elite group of players will be given cloaking, which will give them a considerable advantage over Klingons and other Federation players. It's game breaking really.
How are these players 'elite'? They have five friends? They could be the worst players in the world, and have five friends who they talk into playing...where's this 'elite' coming from?
And I dearly WISH that Cryptic would do something to reward elite players...that there would be some gear that you actually have to be really good at the game to get, rather than just farming exploration dailies long enough or plunking down real world money at the C-Store. Even if I personally wasn't good enough to get some of it, I would be glad that its there for them. Because it would keep a lot more people playing, and more people playing the game benefits me.
This is what this forum community doesn't seem to understand. When people interested in the game come here and see you whining and complaining about every single flipping thing Cryptic does, they don't play it. Meaning, you are harming me, and everyone else who plays this game. Meanwhile, someone who enjoys the game and recruits five of his friends to play it is bringing in revenue, which benefits me.
So frankly, I hope Cryptic flips all of you the bird, and rewards the people recruiting friends with an I-WIN button. Those people are doing me, and the game, good. You, with your constant complaining, are only doing damage.
The very fact that all of us posting here are paying customers means that Cryptic has SOME motivation(no matter how small it may be) to try to please and keep us playing, and paying. So thats who "we" are; their customers. However, a better question would be who are YOU to say that other people SHOULDNT ask Cryptic to do *insert request here*? This is Cryptic's forum, so if they have a problem with people's request, they'll handle it without your help. Hope that answers your "who are you" question well enough
So why are you in favor of Cryptic making a ship better than anything else in the game available for anyone willing to blow $225 on it? It's not like you have to get five other actual people. Just make five accounts, buy five boxes, renew the subs for a month.
The cloak hasn't been confirmed yet. Hinted at yes, but not confirmed. And I think Admiral Pressman would disagree with you on this point. If anything adding in a cloak would even the playing field, like Pressman wanted. I don't know about it though. There's just not enough information released about the ship yet.
I use the term "elite" because it currently appears that this group will number between 1 to 5% of the player base, and because they will be given a distinct advantage in PvP. They aren't getting this because they are truly elite or good at the game, but because they are lucky enough to have 5 friends willing to play this game that they haven't already recruited.
Because its part of the tier of ships that they're releasing in July. When the program goes live, even if you have your five friends all lined up, they have to buy the game, and the free times will take them into June, then subscribe, and after that first month...in July...you get your shiny ship. At the same time we get our shiny ships with slightly different skins.
It'd be kinda stupid, don't you think, to give a ship of a lower tier, that the recipients would probably never use, as a reward?
Or they have $225 sitting around that they can toss down on it if they're insane enough to.
Because even if someone does that, and gets a ship that, at the time they actually get it will not be better than anything else (if its the next tier ship, and that tier isn't released yet, they won't have the skills to use it, ever think of that?), even if they do that, that's $225 going to Cryptic to help make the game I play better. So thank you dummy who was willing to pay $225 for a ship skin.
*mutters to TV stand*
Quiet you overpriced TNG Season 1 DVD set with little-to-no features!
However, I'm sure the RAF naysayers will come up with a clever term for those that bought extra copies for the ship.
I also thought the cloak being put on it was out of the realm of possibility until dstahl said it wasn't.
And now that one of the most recent posts about the new batch of ships says they'll be level 51+ - with Season 2 supposedly just pushing the level cap to the originally planned 50 - we're looking at a much longer time horizon.
It might not have been confirmed yet, and admittedly, this won't be nearly as bad if they decide not to implement the cloak. However, if they do add it I see it as game breaking. Here's why:
The new tier of ships for all players isn't being released until Season 3. Referrers will be getting a Tier 6 ship while others will be limited to Tier 5 sips for months (as Season 3 isn't coming out until November).
Where'd you get that clarification?
I don't know - it seems to contradict dstahl's post about more T5 classic ships available in-game.
It also contradicts the post where Dstahl says that the Galaxy X is a tier 5 variant.
You do realize you just listed the 3 reasons why the Fed cloak is in such demand?
Though I get where you're coming from and I can see the problem from the Klingon point of view. I'll just have to remember that pov the next time my cruiser get blasted to bits in pvp from a decloaking Klingon Vessel off my stern. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
I like to know this as well.
Well, so does dstahl's own post that the new ships he's talking about would be level 51+.
I was more curious about the claim that we'd actually be getting there with season 3.
edit: Personally, I just hope that the 51+ was an extremely unfortunate typo. I don't think we need ranks past Admial, or levels. Pushing the level cap just invalidates the prior 'endgame' stuff. Options should be diversified instead and more stuff to actually do should be provided.
The Galaxy X is a tier 5 ship that trades a weapons slot for a cannon that we don't know the specifications on and it -might- have a non-battle cloak. It's not Tier 6.
It isn't exactly a clarification, but an extrapolation based on other things that have been said by the devs. Dstahl has said that this ship will be a part of the next Tier, unlocked at 51, but he said referers would be getting the Galaxy X before the Tier it is a part of is unlocked for all players. Though the skill cap is getting raised in Season 2, it is highly unlikely it is getting raised past 50, as there have been other statements from the devs that seem to suggest a raise to 50. Also, I have asked dstahl on more than one occasion within the engineering reports if there will be any new ships in Season 2, and the only thing I've gotten out of him is that the Galaxy X is pretty much the only new playable ship being released soon. So unless they are working on Tier 6 for Season 2 (which seems highly unlikely, due to previous statements they've made about how long it takes them to make content, and due the amount of non-storyline content in Season 2, it seems unlikely that they would have enough time to make 15 levels of storyline content in just a few months, while a significant part of their mission team is making Fed Diplo Corps missions.) So no real clarification yet, but it seems highly unlikely that we will be seeing Tier 6 ships in season 2.
Dstahl has said in this thread that the ship would be part of a new Tier of upgraded Tier 4 ships, that would be released later on to all players. He then went on to say in another thread that the new Tier would be 51-60.
if thats by doing a episode on elite or something fair enough. but please put cannon ships in for everyone
Aye, those do seem to be reasonable inferences, unfortunately.
I agree that Federation cloaking is greatly needed. However, it would be wrong to give it only to a select handful of lucky players. It needs to be added to all ships.
That would be terrible.....
As a Klingon player i would be........ very demoralised if this occurs.
Typical Starfleet player mentality.........they want it all.
We'll just have to wait and see what capibilities this ship possesses in 30 days. Until then, this is just speculation and winding ourselves up over conjecture.
And there would be the other problem with adding cloaks to Fed ships. The Klingons would revolt.