It works really well but I have a question can I put it in my toolbar or can I only use it off that icon?
you can drag and drop the main Icon into your dock to make a short cut... it will work as a launcher and a second icon will be added to the dock only while running....
THis is a limitation right now with how I have the main launcher working in Wineskin to get everything started. I have a version that doesn't do this, and has a single icon for everything... but I'm fine tuning some other issues with it right now before making it available.
I'm interested in giving this Mac version a try on my unibody 2.2Ghz Macbook Pro. However I don't want to purchase the game until I know it works. Does anyone have a buddy key they could share so I could test this out? If so, please PM me..
has anyone had problems with STO not installing and freezing about half way through? Or does it just take a long time to install?
depending on the speed of your computer, it has taken some people 2 hours for the installer to work from disc.... not entirely sure why its so slow. You could also install on Windows and copy over the installed version.
to get the screenshot you will have to go inside the wrapper, into the screenshots folder buried downin the Cryptic Studios Folder.
Is there a magic path we can write to that will put them outside the VM? Not sure what a sane default between OS X and Linux is, but maybe we could make it configurable.
Coderanger said:
-Is there a magic path we can write to that will put them outside the VM? Not sure what a sane default between OS X and Linux is, but maybe we could make it configurable.-
Well there are several options you can choose from, but if you want familiarity go with the latest version of Firefox. The other optimal speed browser is Safari 4 available for Windows and Mac OS X 10.5 and up.
I have a copy of Codeweaver's Crossover for Mac and Games, and they said they have an unsupported version 8.2 for download. It is annoying that I need to install IE7 in order to get it running. I too am trying to test the game if it will run before I truly buy because it is a hassle if it doesn't work.
My Specs for doh123 and coderanger are:
Intel Core 2 Duo (2.66 ghz)
4 gb of ram
GeForce 8600M GT (256 MB respectively)
I hope you come out with some type of version for Mac OS X or Linux.
I am a big fan of Star Trek. Hope to see you guys online soon.
(Testing of bottled version Wine STO received a bronze medal.)
( unsupported, bronze, silver gold < these are the ratings from worst to highest!>)
I hope this helps.
Is there a magic path we can write to that will put them outside the VM? Not sure what a sane default between OS X and Linux is, but maybe we could make it configurable.
Well there are several options you can choose from, but if you want familiarity go with the latest version of Firefox. The other optimal speed browser is Safari 4 available for Windows and Mac OS X 10.5 and up.
I have a copy of Codeweaver's Crossover for Mac, and they said they have an unsupported version 8.2 for download. I too am trying to test the game if it will run or not because I also have a:
Intel Core 2 Duo (2.66 ghz)
4 gb of ram
GeForce 8600M GT (256 MB respectively)
I hope you come out with some type of version for Mac OS X or Linux.
I am a big fan of Star Trek. Hope to see you guys online soon.
(Testing of bottled version Wine STO received a bronze medal.)
( unsupported, bronze, silver gold < these are the ratings from worst to highest!>)
I hope this helps.
How is anything you said relevant to screenshot write paths? :-P
Is there a magic path we can write to that will put them outside the VM? Not sure what a sane default between OS X and Linux is, but maybe we could make it configurable.
default screenshots in OSX go to the desktop.... maybe can just throw a symlink in there? its not a big deal to get to the folder anyways....
It does have typical Windows paths mapped... so if you sent it to like windows "My Pictures" or whatever its called, it would throw it in the current users Picture folder... the desktop, "My Documents" and everything are all mapped.... so if you just made the Screenshots go to the Windows desktop, it would show up on the Mac desktop like the built in screen shots in OSX...
it would do it for any Wine user who had their desktop mapped right... but not everyone likes them going to the desktop, so I dunno.
default screenshots in OSX go to the desktop.... maybe can just throw a symlink in there? its not a big deal to get to the folder anyways....
It does have typical Windows paths mapped... so if you sent it to like windows "My Pictures" or whatever its called, it would throw it in the current users Picture folder... the desktop, "My Documents" and everything are all mapped.... so if you just made the Screenshots go to the Windows desktop, it would show up on the Mac desktop like the built in screen shots in OSX...
it would do it for any Wine user who had their desktop mapped right... but not everyone likes them going to the desktop, so I dunno.
Okay, I'll talk with peoples when I get back to the office. Thanky.
I hope you come out with some type of version for Mac OS X or Linux.
I am a big fan of Star Trek. Hope to see you guys online soon.
(Testing of bottled version Wine STO received a bronze medal.)
( unsupported, bronze, silver gold < these are the ratings from worst to highest!>)
I hope this helps.
ok.... after all that, have you actually tried out this version?
Is there a magic path we can write to that will put them outside the VM? Not sure what a sane default between OS X and Linux is, but maybe we could make it configurable.
(It's not a VM, incidentally. You're running as a native process, just with a very strange set of win32 dlls)
To expand: the default wine configuration sets up all the explorer shell folders, and the following ones are mapped into the user's home directory: Desktop, My Documents, My Pictures, My Videos, My Music. There's no firm guarantee that the target directories will exist, but the mappings will if the user hasn't moved them. All the other shell folders will point into ~/.wine/drive_c/ somewhere.
In particular, the default mapping for 'My Documents' is normally the user's home directory itself.
You can also find the root directory mapped as z:, but without talking to some real unix applications you aren't going to be able to figure out where stuff can go there. A user could find their way around it though.
(It's not a VM, incidentally. You're running as a native process, just with a very strange set of win32 dlls)
To expand: the default wine configuration sets up all the explorer shell folders, and the following ones are mapped into the user's home directory: Desktop, My Documents, My Pictures, My Videos, My Music. There's no firm guarantee that the target directories will exist, but the mappings will if the user hasn't moved them. All the other shell folders will point into ~/.wine/drive_c/ somewhere.
In particular, the default mapping for 'My Documents' is normally the user's home directory itself.
You can also find the root directory mapped as z:, but without talking to some real unix applications you aren't going to be able to figure out where stuff can go there. A user could find their way around it though.
The Z drive being magically mapped onto an alien FS sounds pretty virtualized to me ;-)
ok.... after all that, have you actually tried out this version?
Not yet... I am going to soon. I still have a lot of school work to do.
By the way, where is the uninstall button? What happens if I need to switch computers do I need to uninstall then reinstall? Thanks.
The Z drive being magically mapped onto an alien FS sounds pretty virtualized to me ;-)
If you think about it, that's kinda the opposite. A virtualised system is one which is separate from the host, pretending to be a real machine, and unable to act like a process on the host. Wine gives applications direct access to the host (in fact you can call native unix libraries with a little hackery), and its filesystem.
you can try this... run WineskinSettings.app, go in Advanced, and Wineskin Tools. Run regedit. in that go to current user, software, wine, Direct3D... and look for the entry labeled "Multisampling" and change the "enabled" to "disabled" then see if the game works... if it does you'll have to use the /renderscale fix for the graphics bug as AA will not be available. Make sure in that same place that useglsl is still disabled too... having that enabled causes a crash exactly like you describe.
Hi i am having the problem of the message occurring 'Couldn't create D3D device'
I was following the part of this thread where poethead had the similar problem.
I wanted to try this suggestion you wrote here but how do i look for the entry "multisampling". There is only one file in the folder Direct3D and its called default. There is only one thing i can do to this file which is 'change the value data' i have no idea what this means. How do you switch the multisampling from enabled to disabled
(It's not a VM, incidentally. You're running as a native process, just with a very strange set of win32 dlls)
To expand: the default wine configuration sets up all the explorer shell folders, and the following ones are mapped into the user's home directory: Desktop, My Documents, My Pictures, My Videos, My Music. There's no firm guarantee that the target directories will exist, but the mappings will if the user hasn't moved them. All the other shell folders will point into ~/.wine/drive_c/ somewhere.
In particular, the default mapping for 'My Documents' is normally the user's home directory itself.
You can also find the root directory mapped as z:, but without talking to some real unix applications you aren't going to be able to figure out where stuff can go there. A user could find their way around it though.
thats true for standard Wine. The Wineskin wrapper used here automatically recreates/fix the correct mapping to the current user on every run... and "My Documents" goes to ~/Documents, which all OSX users have by default. Without having it do this, Wine maps things wrong on OSX... the desktop will get mapped right, but everything else just maps to the home folder.
using "mapping" is the wrong term really, which throws some confusion. Really it stores everything in its own directory structure, and the "mapping" is nothing more than symlinks in the right spots. Even drive Z that Wine sees is a symlink to /
Not yet... I am going to soon. I still have a lot of school work to do.
By the way, where is the uninstall button? What happens if I need to switch computers do I need to uninstall then reinstall? Thanks.
Uninstall and reinstall what?
I don't put up a version with STO in it, because STO isn't mine... I guess I could ask them if I could put the patcher inside of it so it will automatically patch and install unless you manually copy in the files... but I don't want to make it a 10gb download for the .app, and some people don't want to download the entire contents, so I thought a normal Install was better.
If you have a full working Star Trek Online.app made this way, you can zip it, then copy it to any computer you want and it should run fine, as long as your running it on a normal admin user account. Just make sure you right click it and zip it up (compress option) first... just a direct copy could come up with some permission errors.
Hi i am having the problem of the message occurring 'Couldn't create D3D device'
I was following the part of this thread where poethead had the similar problem.
I wanted to try this suggestion you wrote here but how do i look for the entry "multisampling". There is only one file in the folder Direct3D and its called default. There is only one thing i can do to this file which is 'change the value data' i have no idea what this means. How do you switch the multisampling from enabled to disabled
Multisampling will not change that error at all. The UseGLSL option might, and worth a try, which I have listed in the first post. What GPU do you have though? usually that error comes about from incompatibility problems though. If its Intel GMA graphics, like in some older Macbooks and Mac Minis (and a few older iMacs), you cannot use this.
Model Name: MacBook Pro
Model Identifier: MacBookPro5,1
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2.4 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 3 MB
Memory: 4 GB
Bus Speed: 1.07 GHz
Multisampling will not change that error at all. The UseGLSL option might, and worth a try, which I have listed in the first post. What GPU do you have though? usually that error comes about from incompatibility problems though. If its Intel GMA graphics, like in some older Macbooks and Mac Minis (and a few older iMacs), you cannot use this.
Does the info above mean i can use GLSL? I cant tell if it does, how do you find out. If i can then how do i use the GLSL option?
Does the info above mean i can use GLSL? I cant tell if it does, how do you find out. If i can then how do i use the GLSL option?
thats odd, you shouldn't have any problems running the game. I play on a similar machine, with a 9600GT, and GLSL must be off on mine or it crashes the game.... its not something you should need to turn on, it works fine off on most machines.
what do you see on your screen when this error comes up? Can you grab a screenshot of it?
The only reason you should have a problem like that is if you were running the main game through the installer, because the screen sin't set up right doing it that way. Maybe you don't have it installed exactly right.
thats odd, you shouldn't have any problems running the game. I play on a similar machine, with a 9600GT, and GLSL must be off on mine or it crashes the game.... its not something you should need to turn on, it works fine off on most machines.
what do you see on your screen when this error comes up? Can you grab a screenshot of it?
The only reason you should have a problem like that is if you were running the main game through the installer, because the screen sin't set up right doing it that way. Maybe you don't have it installed exactly right.
Hmmmm
let me tell you how i installed it
i first got Wineskin RC7, then through wineskin i ran the installer from my DVD, the game installed. then i tried to use Wineskin to start the game but a black screen just appeared
Then i realized how wineskin actually worked so i found this thread and downloaded the wrapper. Now through the wrapper i select the 'Star Trek Online exe'. The launcher loads, i click engage then the error comes up.
Thats how i run the game, i click on the wrapper icon i downloaded from this thread then i click 'install star trek online' then go into the applications where i placed the star trek online exe, click it and then the launcher loads, hit engage...then the error appears
i first got Wineskin RC7, then through wineskin i ran the installer from my DVD, the game installed. then i tried to use Wineskin to start the game but a black screen just appeared
Then i realized how wineskin actually worked so i found this thread and downloaded the wrapper. Now through the wrapper i select the 'Star Trek Online exe'. The launcher loads, i click engage then the error comes up.
Thats how i run the game, i click on the wrapper icon i downloaded from this thread then i click 'install star trek online' then go into the applications where i placed the star trek online exe, click it and then the launcher loads, hit engage...then the error appears
the installer is only for runnign the setup.exe downloaded or off the DVD.
You have an already installed and ready to run version of Star Trek Online, so you need to follow the directions about moving it from Windows or upgrading from an older wrapper.
Basically you need to move the game folder to the right spot inside the Star Trek Online.app, and then when its in the right place, you'll be able to just double click Star Trek Online.app and play.
The Z drive being magically mapped onto an alien FS sounds pretty virtualized to me ;-)
there is no alien file system... Wine runs normally on the local file system, there is no virtual drives or anything like that... it all runs directly on the machine.
Can anyone point me to the correct hotkey/command to take a screenshot with a standard Mac keyboard (you know, without a "Print Screen" key?)
Thanks!
On all Macs since the beginning of time, Command-Shift-3 saves a screenshot to disk. Using freeware TinkerTool, you can set what format these are saved in (default is PNG). If you type Command-Shift-4 then it lets you draw a square around whatever you want to capture, and the cursor shows you the dimension in pixels as you resize the square while dragging. Once you have the box sized right, release the mouse and it snaps a screenshot pre-cropped to the rectangle you specified. It saves the file to the desktop.
I believe you can change the command keys from Command-Shift-3/4 to whatever you want using the Keyboard control panel in System Preferences.
This is infinitely superior to Windows where you have to push Print-Screen, then go into Windows Paint and paste, crop, save. Bleh!
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you can drag and drop the main Icon into your dock to make a short cut... it will work as a launcher and a second icon will be added to the dock only while running....
THis is a limitation right now with how I have the main launcher working in Wineskin to get everything started. I have a version that doesn't do this, and has a single icon for everything... but I'm fine tuning some other issues with it right now before making it available.
I'm interested in giving this Mac version a try on my unibody 2.2Ghz Macbook Pro. However I don't want to purchase the game until I know it works. Does anyone have a buddy key they could share so I could test this out? If so, please PM me..
Thanks so much!
depending on the speed of your computer, it has taken some people 2 hours for the installer to work from disc.... not entirely sure why its so slow. You could also install on Windows and copy over the installed version.
Thanks!
type /screenshot or /screenshot_ui
to get the screenshot you will have to go inside the wrapper, into the screenshots folder buried downin the Cryptic Studios Folder.
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff124/mcfly1701/screenshot_2010-02-21-23-33-25.jpg
Absolutely no lights at all besides the impulse engines. I just want to know if this is all I'll be limited to unless I get a better graphics card.
-Is there a magic path we can write to that will put them outside the VM? Not sure what a sane default between OS X and Linux is, but maybe we could make it configurable.-
Well there are several options you can choose from, but if you want familiarity go with the latest version of Firefox. The other optimal speed browser is Safari 4 available for Windows and Mac OS X 10.5 and up.
I have a copy of Codeweaver's Crossover for Mac and Games, and they said they have an unsupported version 8.2 for download. It is annoying that I need to install IE7 in order to get it running. I too am trying to test the game if it will run before I truly buy because it is a hassle if it doesn't work.
My Specs for doh123 and coderanger are:
Intel Core 2 Duo (2.66 ghz)
4 gb of ram
GeForce 8600M GT (256 MB respectively)
I hope you come out with some type of version for Mac OS X or Linux.
I am a big fan of Star Trek. Hope to see you guys online soon.
(Testing of bottled version Wine STO received a bronze medal.)
( unsupported, bronze, silver gold < these are the ratings from worst to highest!>)
I hope this helps.
Screenshot: http://emberapp.com/joshwebb/images/sto/
13" Aluminum MacBook
2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
4GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M
VRAM (Total): 256 MB
Resolution: 1920 x 1200 @ 60 Hz (I'm running it on a separate monitor.)
My only complaint, which is no fault of anyone here, is that zooming in and out is a little bit touchy with the new Magic Mouse.
Thank you again for all of your hard work on this.
default screenshots in OSX go to the desktop.... maybe can just throw a symlink in there? its not a big deal to get to the folder anyways....
It does have typical Windows paths mapped... so if you sent it to like windows "My Pictures" or whatever its called, it would throw it in the current users Picture folder... the desktop, "My Documents" and everything are all mapped.... so if you just made the Screenshots go to the Windows desktop, it would show up on the Mac desktop like the built in screen shots in OSX...
it would do it for any Wine user who had their desktop mapped right... but not everyone likes them going to the desktop, so I dunno.
ok.... after all that, have you actually tried out this version?
(It's not a VM, incidentally. You're running as a native process, just with a very strange set of win32 dlls)
To expand: the default wine configuration sets up all the explorer shell folders, and the following ones are mapped into the user's home directory: Desktop, My Documents, My Pictures, My Videos, My Music. There's no firm guarantee that the target directories will exist, but the mappings will if the user hasn't moved them. All the other shell folders will point into ~/.wine/drive_c/ somewhere.
In particular, the default mapping for 'My Documents' is normally the user's home directory itself.
You can also find the root directory mapped as z:, but without talking to some real unix applications you aren't going to be able to figure out where stuff can go there. A user could find their way around it though.
By the way, where is the uninstall button? What happens if I need to switch computers do I need to uninstall then reinstall? Thanks.
If you think about it, that's kinda the opposite. A virtualised system is one which is separate from the host, pretending to be a real machine, and unable to act like a process on the host. Wine gives applications direct access to the host (in fact you can call native unix libraries with a little hackery), and its filesystem.
Hi i am having the problem of the message occurring 'Couldn't create D3D device'
I was following the part of this thread where poethead had the similar problem.
I wanted to try this suggestion you wrote here but how do i look for the entry "multisampling". There is only one file in the folder Direct3D and its called default. There is only one thing i can do to this file which is 'change the value data' i have no idea what this means. How do you switch the multisampling from enabled to disabled
thats true for standard Wine. The Wineskin wrapper used here automatically recreates/fix the correct mapping to the current user on every run... and "My Documents" goes to ~/Documents, which all OSX users have by default. Without having it do this, Wine maps things wrong on OSX... the desktop will get mapped right, but everything else just maps to the home folder.
using "mapping" is the wrong term really, which throws some confusion. Really it stores everything in its own directory structure, and the "mapping" is nothing more than symlinks in the right spots. Even drive Z that Wine sees is a symlink to /
Uninstall and reinstall what?
I don't put up a version with STO in it, because STO isn't mine... I guess I could ask them if I could put the patcher inside of it so it will automatically patch and install unless you manually copy in the files... but I don't want to make it a 10gb download for the .app, and some people don't want to download the entire contents, so I thought a normal Install was better.
If you have a full working Star Trek Online.app made this way, you can zip it, then copy it to any computer you want and it should run fine, as long as your running it on a normal admin user account. Just make sure you right click it and zip it up (compress option) first... just a direct copy could come up with some permission errors.
Multisampling will not change that error at all. The UseGLSL option might, and worth a try, which I have listed in the first post. What GPU do you have though? usually that error comes about from incompatibility problems though. If its Intel GMA graphics, like in some older Macbooks and Mac Minis (and a few older iMacs), you cannot use this.
Model Name: MacBook Pro
Model Identifier: MacBookPro5,1
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2.4 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 3 MB
Memory: 4 GB
Bus Speed: 1.07 GHz
Here are my graphic drivers:
Chipset Model: NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT
Type: Display
Bus: PCIe
PCIe Lane Width: x16
VRAM (Total): 256 MB
Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)
ROM Revision: 3437
gMux Version: 1.7.3
Does the info above mean i can use GLSL? I cant tell if it does, how do you find out. If i can then how do i use the GLSL option?
thats odd, you shouldn't have any problems running the game. I play on a similar machine, with a 9600GT, and GLSL must be off on mine or it crashes the game.... its not something you should need to turn on, it works fine off on most machines.
what do you see on your screen when this error comes up? Can you grab a screenshot of it?
The only reason you should have a problem like that is if you were running the main game through the installer, because the screen sin't set up right doing it that way. Maybe you don't have it installed exactly right.
Hmmmm
let me tell you how i installed it
i first got Wineskin RC7, then through wineskin i ran the installer from my DVD, the game installed. then i tried to use Wineskin to start the game but a black screen just appeared
Then i realized how wineskin actually worked so i found this thread and downloaded the wrapper. Now through the wrapper i select the 'Star Trek Online exe'. The launcher loads, i click engage then the error comes up.
Thats how i run the game, i click on the wrapper icon i downloaded from this thread then i click 'install star trek online' then go into the applications where i placed the star trek online exe, click it and then the launcher loads, hit engage...then the error appears
the installer is only for runnign the setup.exe downloaded or off the DVD.
You have an already installed and ready to run version of Star Trek Online, so you need to follow the directions about moving it from Windows or upgrading from an older wrapper.
Basically you need to move the game folder to the right spot inside the Star Trek Online.app, and then when its in the right place, you'll be able to just double click Star Trek Online.app and play.
there is no alien file system... Wine runs normally on the local file system, there is no virtual drives or anything like that... it all runs directly on the machine.
On all Macs since the beginning of time, Command-Shift-3 saves a screenshot to disk. Using freeware TinkerTool, you can set what format these are saved in (default is PNG). If you type Command-Shift-4 then it lets you draw a square around whatever you want to capture, and the cursor shows you the dimension in pixels as you resize the square while dragging. Once you have the box sized right, release the mouse and it snaps a screenshot pre-cropped to the rectangle you specified. It saves the file to the desktop.
I believe you can change the command keys from Command-Shift-3/4 to whatever you want using the Keyboard control panel in System Preferences.
This is infinitely superior to Windows where you have to push Print-Screen, then go into Windows Paint and paste, crop, save. Bleh!