I don't understand what is causing this. From what I've seen, its only Star Trek Online that causes this issue. I clean my fans regularly as part of routine PC maintainance and my cooling, while not rediculous, is perfectly sufficient for a vanilla GPU with no overclocking. No game has pushed my temperatures over 70C aside from Star Trek online. Sorry boys, that's poor graphics programming, not my computer. Somebody probably forgot to end a loop
unbelieveable only on a game forum could people be viewed as whiners etc when they are beta testing something and report a problem. and if you expect everyone to find their own solution/workaround to this issue id like to remind you most of us dont have the money to go build a new pc every time TRIBBLE like this happens thats why the game company should do their best to resolve the issue at its CORE!
Telling people to dust out our cases isnt a solution there are far to many people with this problem to simply be bad cooling for god sake. If your not going to help come up with a reasonable fix people just dont post let the people with issues actually post and get read by devs. Devs dont want to read 21 pages of trolling unuseful junk.
If you pay for a product it should work, when did things turn into oh ill just patch it down the line slap a bandaid on it in the mean time.
So by your argument, developers should never write code that exceeds the performance standard of the weakest PC on the market? How is it Cryptics fault that people can't maintenance their stuff properly or see to their cooling solution? This is a beta test of Cryptics game, not a beta test of your machine and it's capabilities. Your machine isn't Cryptics problem and as good as this game looks its amazing that it has such low requirements.
I love how you claim to state a fact based on arbitrary numbers. "far too many people". Not exactly quantified is it? We think there are roughly 50-55 thousand people in Beta. I don't see a thread about overheating with tens of thousands of unique posts. I think you're blowing it out of perspective. It's a small group of people who's machines are under-cooled. Whatever the reason is. Poor maintenance, old equipment, inferior product design.. take your pick. Not going to help come up with a reasonable fix? How reasonable is it to suggest that you take care of your own stuff?
This is like someone buying a used car with no warranty, not checking the coolant, and going to the dealer and telling them it's their fault and they need to come up with a fix when it overheats. Quit trying to blame everyone else and put it where it squarely belongs. On your own shoulders. Your system is your responsibility. Do what you have to do to make it cool or buy/build a comp that can keep up. Hardware is getting much faster these days and as such, it builds more heat. Developers are taking advantage of the capabilities of the hardware and programming accordingly. If you can't keep up then maybe you should stick to Xbox..
I don't understand what is causing this. From what I've seen, its only Star Trek Online that causes this issue. I clean my fans regularly as part of routine PC maintainance and my cooling, while not rediculous, is perfectly sufficient for a vanilla GPU with no overclocking. No game has pushed my temperatures over 70C aside from Star Trek online. Sorry boys, that's poor graphics programming, not my computer. Somebody probably forgot to end a loop
You have no idea what you're talking about. I've never gone over 68C at the most with my OVERCLOCKED GTX 260 and that's the CORE temp, not the ambient. If my machine can handle the heat, why can't yours?
You have no idea what you're talking about. I've never gone over 68C at the most with my OVERCLOCKED GTX 260 and that's the CORE temp, not the ambient. If my machine can handle the heat, why can't yours?
Listen Mr "I know everything about graphics cards". Read the thread. You have multiple people who can happily run extremely graphic intensive games without issue, suddenly running Star Trek online and finding their core temperatures running up to 80 degrees centigrade and above. That isn't a coincidence, that's a problem. Now, for my part I'm going to record my current game settings and take my DxDiag and submit it to cryptic. Hopefully this will help solve the problem. Whoop de do if your graphics card is working hunkie dory. Great, good for you. Maybe its card specific? Maybe there's corrupted code in some of the patch downloads? Maybe there's a graphics setting that isn't working as intended that you don't have enabled or have at a different setting? Hey, maybe there's some bad code somewhere! Newsflash, not everyone has the same hardware! So kindly bugger off back under your bridge.
Listen Mr "I know everything about graphics cards". Read the thread. You have multiple people who can happily run extremely graphic intensive games without issue, suddenly running Star Trek online and finding their core temperatures running up to 80 degrees centigrade and above. That isn't a coincidence, that's a problem. Now, for my part I'm going to record my current game settings and take my DxDiag and submit it to cryptic. Hopefully this will help solve the problem. Whoop de do if your graphics card is working hunkie dory. Great, good for you. Maybe its card specific? Maybe there's corrupted code in some of the patch downloads? Maybe there's a graphics setting that isn't working as intended that you don't have enabled or have at a different setting? Hey, maybe there's some bad code somewhere! Newsflash, not everyone has the same hardware! So kindly bugger off back under your bridge.
Wrong assumption. I'm running everything on max with no FPS cap. As I had to state to someone else, it doesn't matter what makes you overheat. Overheat is overheat and the only way to fix it is to cool it. You're right, something is wrong but it's not Cryptic and I know that from a personal and professional standpoint. So unless you also have 20 years of working on microsoft based systems as I do then perhaps you should do the buggering chief.
I don't care how many people insult me. This is ridiculous and I'll keep fighting it.
I don't understand what is causing this. From what I've seen, its only Star Trek Online that causes this issue. I clean my fans regularly as part of routine PC maintainance and my cooling, while not rediculous, is perfectly sufficient for a vanilla GPU with no overclocking. No game has pushed my temperatures over 70C aside from Star Trek online. Sorry boys, that's poor graphics programming, not my computer. Somebody probably forgot to end a loop
There is no mystical program which melts PC's, poor cooling and dust melts PC's, not programs
STO will not work your videocard out more then say UT3, or Furmark etc, its just impossible. Your videocard has a performance maximum it can hit, after it hits that point, it can go no farther. It doesn't keep going faster and faster, once its reached its performance threshold, it goes no higher
You are dropping hints that STO is SOMEHOW causing your videocard/CPU to overheat through some execution or loop of code which is SOMEHOW making your videocard/CPU work SO hard they shut down
CPU/GPU's are DESIGNED to run with 100% performance, 24/7, for YEARS, not hours. They don't JUST overheat and shut down unless there is a cooling or fan problem.
There is no, repeat, no piece of programming in the world that can make a CPU/GPU run "Out of control" as they say and go faster and faster till they melt down. Its impossible, they have a performance threshold, once they reach a point, they can't go any faster, OR run any hotter
The ONLY reason for a GPU/CPU to be nearing meltdown is:
A) A HOT room, and I am talking a 100F room Inadequate cooling, there is either not enough fans moving air, or you have a cooler mounted improperly, or a poorly ventilated case
C) Dust, it has clogged all your fan intakes/exhusts and is reducing performance
And for those of you with sudden shutdowns with low temperatures: Your power supply is either old, worn out or is not enough to run your system full tilt
Again, there is -NO PIECE OF MACHINE CODE IN EXSISTENCE THAT CAN ACCELERATE YOUR GPU/CPU OUT OF CONTROL TILL IT MELTS DOWN-, its physically impossible
There is NO way this game is capable of MELTING DOWN a CPU/GPU, because its physically impossible, a 3GHZ CPU will run as fast as it can, but once it hits its limit of data processing, it CAN'T go any higher, It levels out and sits there until you stop using it at full power
Those of you screaming etc that this game is frying your computers, are either lieing and saying your computer has enough cooling/dust free, or have -NEVER- run a computer as hard as with STO
STO runs my system harder then L4D2 does, it runs it harder then TF2 does, it runs it harder then UT2K4 does
It does NOT run my CPU harder then WoW does
It does NOT run my CPU/GPU combo harder then Crysis Warhead, UT3, Mass Effect, Red Faction G
Again, there is no single piece of machine code in exsistence which can power a GPU/CPU out of control into oblivion.
To ALL of you saying your "PC is fine" and "Can handle the game" try loading up Prime95 and Furmark togeather, if your computer shuts down in less then 10 minutes, YOU HAVE SOME SEARCHING TO DO FOR THE CAUSE, cause all Prime does is stress CPU to 100%, and all furmark does is stress GPU to 100%, and if your computer can't handle both, let alone either one by itself, its time to look at your system MORE closely
Thankyou for everyones suggestions at Cryptic and on the boards. I have now run Futuremark ( 3D Mark Vantage) , Priime95, and OCCT. none of these programs caused the issue that STO does for me. I now too believe this is a code error. II got OCCT to run my GPU at 127c for an hour without issue. I was still running other programss while doing so. I have notice I always crash at a loading screen or at the choose your character screen.
I have also been tracking the temps while running STO and my sensors never read over 86c, that is alot less than 127c. I've also checked connections internally and even check my surge protector and wall sockets to see if it was a power issue. (yes I happen to be an electrician). I am running 1000 watt PSU, no issues there I can find. I am still at a loss for what this issue is, I cannot find anything on my side to cause the problem.
Thankyou for everyones suggestions at Cryptic and on the boards. I have now run Futuremark ( 3D Mark Vantage) , Priime95, and OCCT. none of these programs caused the issue that STO does for me. I now too believe this is a code error. II got OCCT to run my GPU at 127c for an hour without issue. I was still running other programss while doing so. I have notice I always crash at a loading screen or at the choose your character screen.
I have also been tracking the temps while running STO and my sensors never read over 86c, that is alot less than 127c. I've also checked connections internally and even check my surge protector and wall sockets to see if it was a power issue. (yes I happen to be an electrician). I am running 1000 watt PSU, no issues there I can find. I am still at a loss for what this issue is, I cannot find anything on my side to cause the problem.
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Crashing happens, it happens with buggy code etc. Post Processing for me on ground missions was causing never ending crashes for me till this current patch
People here are talking about their CPU/GPU's overheating and dieing/shutting down etc, not the game crashing
Your system is stable, but to note, 127C is fatal to any CPU/GPU, you should not go any higher then 70C with a i7, 60C with a Phenom II/Athlon II, and higher then 90C with a videocard. If Furmark/Prime is running something at 127C, you REALLY have to cool your CPU/GPU better, cause thats just insane
If its your GPU with Furmark running up to 127C, get a program like Rivatuner and turn your fans up to max, but videocards are designed by default to turn fan to 100% once they pass 90C
STO burned out my power supply. Ok, well not really but my power supply burned out while playing STO. Also noticed that my comp was running VERY hot. Turns out my fans had some caked on dust that was choking them.
Got a new PSU, new fans and a new video card - the N275 GTX Twin Frozr with dual fans. No temperature issues whatsoever.
I have noticed though that my Quad Core is running at much higher utilization than other games. The combination of high CPU and GPU temps might be taxing some borderline cooling systems (like mine before I upgraded)
I found yesterday that after inserting the command line in the launcher setup shown elsewhere in this thread to reduce the FPS my fans were not hyperventilating and my GPU temps dropped about 15 degrees. Wherever that command code came from thank you it has made a world of difference for me
So I was playing with settings earlier, and some apologies necessary to sulda, there probably was some degree of user error in here somewhere, but I found that nothing dropped the graphics card temperature to anything below around 88, even with settings low and fans to full. So I put the game into fullscreen mode and low and behold, the highest its hit is around 74. Well within good operational parameters. I wonder if it has something to do with having to render the 7 desktop at the same time. Either way, try that, it might help.
So I was playing with settings earlier, and some apologies necessary to sulda, there probably was some degree of user error in here somewhere, but I found that nothing dropped the graphics card temperature to anything below around 88, even with settings low and fans to full. So I put the game into fullscreen mode and low and behold, the highest its hit is around 74. Well within good operational parameters. I wonder if it has something to do with having to render the 7 desktop at the same time. Either way, try that, it might help.
I've run it both fullscreen and windowed, the only difference is in windowed it took a ton of more CPU resources (About 15%) to run
And yes, 15% is a healthy amount to cause alot of extra heat in your case
My ATI Radeon 5770 HD rig was getting very warm as well. Not even with everything maxed (I dropped the dynamic lighting back a hair). I know the stock heatsink stinks on my retail card. But that isn't the issue. I could replace it but STO is the ONLY game in which I see this heating issue. While I appreciate the hardware tips, getting this game to run stable for the average user with stock hardware is the goal here.
The issue I found was that STO was constantly pushing the frame rate as fast as it possibly could. No reason for that in a game like this. Why would I need 146 frames per second?!? It both heats the card and makes random errors more likely. It could be crappy ATI drivers. It could be the game code. I really don't know yet. Bottom line is that setting the /maxfps to a reasonable level has made the game very stable for me with no noticeable loss of video quality and could save many posts here.
Is there a way to load the /maxfps statement into a config file or the game shortcut so I do not have to manually enter it every time I start the client? Or perhaps this will be addressed with a patch. It should be.
says it is good for cleaninng computers. but the can says contact with liquid can freeze skin and is flammable. is this stuff really safe to spray inside my pc?
Sulda these graphicks arent to great i dont see a lot of shiny reflecting things , i know its a mmo .
Age of Conan hade all so a problem with overheating in its beta towards clients and back then it was NVIDIA hou fixed it .
I just want to say NVIDIA dident touched my RIG .
My system gets out dated yes might be in 2012 for hich end game's
I like this game its hase its own thing , the graphicks are the same as Champions online .
So, what are accepetable levels of heat for a GPU? I have a 9800gt and i hit up to 76c (170f). and that just waiting to log in. Should I grab more cooling? I tried adjusting my fan speeds with Rivatuner but it does no good really. Funny how I can play other games and not even see the heat meter move one bit!
If it was bad code, it would affect all the computers it ran on, not just a few select people. Just saying.
Run OCCT or an equivalent benchmark that can peg your GPU at 100%. If STO runs hotter than OCCT then maybe you have a valid argument.
I'vew ran furmark and prime 95 and do not not have any issues. Benchmark was 2836 witch is good and did not get heat over 51c running fur. Im not saying its cryptic, all Im saying is its not my pc over heating. It probably has to do with the internet service path we are on bottle necking. I used to be a tech for camcast and trust me when I say my service is ok as I rewired my house less then a year ago all the way to the street connection.
My cpu AMD 6400 + with core temp was going 80 c the 2 core's .
My cpu aint that great no more still dont get how that game can stress my system like that i have no probs running crysis all max video setting .
I am shure it is the last patch that hase some thing to do with it .
80*c is prity hot for a CPU for a graphics card that temp would be ok but tbh for a CPU you dont rearlly want it to be going over about 70*c
My ATI Radeon 5770 HD rig was getting very warm as well. Not even with everything maxed (I dropped the dynamic lighting back a hair). I know the stock heatsink stinks on my retail card. But that isn't the issue. I could replace it but STO is the ONLY game in which I see this heating issue. While I appreciate the hardware tips, getting this game to run stable for the average user with stock hardware is the goal here.
The issue I found was that STO was constantly pushing the frame rate as fast as it possibly could. No reason for that in a game like this. Why would I need 146 frames per second?!? It both heats the card and makes random errors more likely. It could be crappy ATI drivers. It could be the game code. I really don't know yet. Bottom line is that setting the /maxfps to a reasonable level has made the game very stable for me with no noticeable loss of video quality and could save many posts here.
Is there a way to load the /maxfps statement into a config file or the game shortcut so I do not have to manually enter it every time I start the client? Or perhaps this will be addressed with a patch. It should be.
Having great fun with the game btw.
Hi there I thought I should repost this solution which was elsewhere in one of these threads...
To reduce the heat of your GPU enter the following code into the launcher under options before you enter the game
/perFrameSleep 10
There is a small box where you can enter code in there. I have never done anything like this and I am not a 'tech' and I found it in under 3 minutes. I have a 4850 (which run hot anyways) and doing this makes the fans return to a near whisper and my GPU temp is doen 10 degrees. An improvement for me!
says it is good for cleaninng computers. but the can says contact with liquid can freeze skin and is flammable. is this stuff really safe to spray inside my pc?
Should be fine i use that kind of stuff all the time oto clean my PC
Should be fine i use that kind of stuff all the time oto clean my PC
Agreed. What they are referring to is the propellant used to push the air out. As long as you ensure that the can is upright when sprayed you should have no issues.
my ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2 in my DELL XPS
runs idle at 50C with game running im at 59C...
"Newer" cards may get 10 degrees hotter or so..but then, if you are above that, you have insufficient cooling of some sort.
- Airflow in your system is bad
- Your box is not designed to cater a gaming card (i.e. you upgraded it yourself, or the one who built the computer was clueless when it comes to cooling;imagine, the bigger suppliers have teams working on how the internal parts of a computer have to be built in for good airflow; your small local storage or friend may just have "experience".).
- Your fans are bad or got bad (dust, failure etc.) => Clean it ;-)
- Your GFX is overclocked (by yourself)
- Your GFX card came with an insufficient cooler => Return to your vendor
I did the max framerates thing in the launcher and it dropped my temps almost 15C degrees. For me the magic setting is -maxfps 45...more and the temp goes up, less and there is a noticeable stuttering. VSync did nothing, but that may just be me.
Don't tell me that my video card or system was dirty. It is new. This and Champions are the ONLY games that do this temp spike deal. I play freaking Crysis maxed @ 65C and bloody every other game is under 65C, so why is this running @ 75C or more?.
Also the longer I am on the loading screens the worse it gets. So if I am loading for a long period of time my temps get really bad. The loading screens prior to this were over 1000FPS for me!
hate to tell some of you guys but if most of our rigs are only dieing on this game then guess what, it aint our cooling. Clean out my case is the best they can say? really?
No game i have ever played has made my 8800gtx go to the temps it has in STO, the /maxfps cap helped but now after todays patch after protracted periods it will overheat again aka like 4 hours of game time.
Ive built my own pc's for over 8 years now, i have 0 cooling issues with this case, card, ram and proccessor, till now. They need to fix this issue before the game goes live you cant simply say oh its our fault for X reason or for XX reason.
And no GPUs are not meant to run at 100% for the entire length of a game, they are ment to be able to go up to 100% to handle sudden graphic intense times then back to a stable temp. If a car runs in the red line for to long guess what it blows the motor no diff with this.
Im not even running 100% settings just nice decent settings as the game looks great without having to go to max that says something. And anyone who says we that are having this issue are just lazy criers with bad cooling.... think what itd be like to have this issue in only 1 game ever with nothing else coming close to these temps.
I have an Nvidia 8800gtx quad core q6600 4 gig ram (all factory standard settings) all in a Tsunami thermal take case
I like a clean case (being an IT engineer and dealing with dirty PC's most of the time) so no fluff in mine
The 1st thing I noticed with STO was at the character creation screen, I was just reading the text on which
officer type to choose when I noticed the Graphics fan sound pitch getting higher and higher and higher
GPU under load and the fan speed automatically adjusted
I wasn't even playing the game (oh and no sound too so I got to trawl around for that fix too)
So yes for some players who are not familair with PC maintenance make sure the basics are covered
like pulling out fluff from your fans and heatsinks (especially if you have a tumble dryer in the house
other than that it is a SOFTWARE ISSUE - Devs please take note
I was not playing the game just ideling in character creation and my GPU fan is winding up for take off
When I did get into game even turning DOWN all the settings to their lowest point my GPU fan was still
screaming at me
I play CS:Source, L4D 1 & 2, Mass Effect and I have not suffered from a loud GPU fan on any of these games and they are graphic intensive too
With everyone having different rig hardware setups why dont DEVS create a poll (for starters)
or ask steam if they can create a STO poll or census for all us players to take our hardware stats
with a tick to say 'Yes I am suffering GPU heating issues' or 'No not me'
that will show the problem straight away
but what do I know I've only been troubleshooting technical issues for 25 years
I dont even know why Cryptic is bothering with this issue.
Its an OEM/Manufacturer/User issue. If you computer is overheating then it does not have adequate cooling. That is hardly Cryptics fault.
Is it possible the code could be more optimized to utilize less GPU/CPU, probably. But should they be worrying about computers overheating? Nope.
I run software that is INTENDED to make my CPU and GPU as hot as possible to test overclocking stability. Under stock clocks I have yet to see it crash a computer except on faulty hardware or poorly designed cooling solutions.
Amazing that someone who has been troubleshooting computers for 25 years would make such a claim.
I dont even know why Cryptic is bothering with this issue.
Its an OEM/Manufacturer/User issue. If you computer is overheating then it does not have adequate cooling. That is hardly Cryptics fault.
Is it possible the code could be more optimized to utilize less GPU/CPU, probably. But should they be worrying about computers overheating? Nope.
I run software that is INTENDED to make my CPU and GPU as hot as possible to test overclocking stability. Under stock clocks I have yet to see it crash a computer except on faulty hardware or poorly designed cooling solutions.
Amazing that someone who has been troubleshooting computers for 25 years would make such a claim.
Real nice positive contribution by putting some else down thanks and what claim did I make that got you so riled up ?
Don't put words in my mouth sonny, 'troubleshooting technical issues for 25 years'
not just computers and if you cant make a positive contribution to an issue stop being part of the problem and keep quite, appreciate it
the point you don't get is I like to make my hardware last, you run software ? for job or personal use ?
for job your reasoning is irrelivent, personal use its your choice not mine thus again your reason has no point here
but you do make the point clear that you agree with me by saying (indirectly) that STO does stress out GPU's since the last update
the more load or pressure something is put under the more stress it suffers reducing its overall life time
are you in the position to freely spend out on new and better equipment as and when it comes out ?
maybe but I choose not to play that game
and yes you seem to have missed the point about the other games I play L4D1&2, CS:S, mass effect
aswell other MMORPG's they don't stress my rig out anywhere near like STO does
YET AGAIN you missed the point that
1) only certain players are suffering this issue
2) it seems to have occured AFTER the patch - apparently
my friend also playing STO has an ATI card yet he doesn't suffer this problem
but there are other ATI users out there who are suffering this problem as well as Nvidia
DEVS:
I found that if I go to windowed mode with a setting of 1024x768 60Hz my GPU load does reduce somewhat
obviously because its not generating a full screen
my desktop settings are 1600 x 1200
even when Full screen and graphics set low and resolution at 1024x768 60hz
GPU load is still high
my main concern for this GPU loading and NOT overheating is that my other half would really like to purchase
this game but has the same hardware setup as myself and is waiting to see what happens
its a pity you have to pre-order the game before you can try out the beta otherwise a lot more people
would be trying it out right now i.e I mean a time limited demo would be great
Otherwise STO is a stonkingly great game
Further testing reveals that when STO logged me out after 15mins inactivity and I then change my graphic
options to full screen 1600x1200 (4:3)
My GPU load increases to the point the fan is maxing out again
This time I am just at the log on screen no graphics are being drawn just a nice blue effect screen
with username and password logon window
with no graphics being drawn at log on screen (after auto log off) STO software is still loading the GPU ?
for what ? grid computing...
I just want to add my stats to the list. I'm overheating between 50-60 c and I've opend my case to check for dust. There is dust so I will clean it Later on(no time atm^^). The heat comes of the video card.
my specs:
Manufacturer: Acer
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8200 @ 2.33GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.3GHz
Memory: 4094MB RAM
Hard Drive: 624 GB Total
Video Card: ATI Radeon HD 3850
Monitor: LG M2094D-PZ 20 inch TFT - 1680 x 1050
Sound Card: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Speakers/Headphones: Monitor + Creative Fatal1ty gaming headset
Keyboard: g15 orange LED
Mouse: USB
Mouse Surface: Normal
Operating System: Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit
Motherboard: Intel 850 Chipset
Again, I'm gonna clean the dust away and try again. Dont know if this will fix the problem since it appears to be kinda random. but I was in a sector with some mining stations. arround these station was some dust so maybe my video card is crappy?
any responds would be nice. have fun ingame!
Greets,
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So by your argument, developers should never write code that exceeds the performance standard of the weakest PC on the market? How is it Cryptics fault that people can't maintenance their stuff properly or see to their cooling solution? This is a beta test of Cryptics game, not a beta test of your machine and it's capabilities. Your machine isn't Cryptics problem and as good as this game looks its amazing that it has such low requirements.
I love how you claim to state a fact based on arbitrary numbers. "far too many people". Not exactly quantified is it? We think there are roughly 50-55 thousand people in Beta. I don't see a thread about overheating with tens of thousands of unique posts. I think you're blowing it out of perspective. It's a small group of people who's machines are under-cooled. Whatever the reason is. Poor maintenance, old equipment, inferior product design.. take your pick. Not going to help come up with a reasonable fix? How reasonable is it to suggest that you take care of your own stuff?
This is like someone buying a used car with no warranty, not checking the coolant, and going to the dealer and telling them it's their fault and they need to come up with a fix when it overheats. Quit trying to blame everyone else and put it where it squarely belongs. On your own shoulders. Your system is your responsibility. Do what you have to do to make it cool or buy/build a comp that can keep up. Hardware is getting much faster these days and as such, it builds more heat. Developers are taking advantage of the capabilities of the hardware and programming accordingly. If you can't keep up then maybe you should stick to Xbox..
You have no idea what you're talking about. I've never gone over 68C at the most with my OVERCLOCKED GTX 260 and that's the CORE temp, not the ambient. If my machine can handle the heat, why can't yours?
Listen Mr "I know everything about graphics cards". Read the thread. You have multiple people who can happily run extremely graphic intensive games without issue, suddenly running Star Trek online and finding their core temperatures running up to 80 degrees centigrade and above. That isn't a coincidence, that's a problem. Now, for my part I'm going to record my current game settings and take my DxDiag and submit it to cryptic. Hopefully this will help solve the problem. Whoop de do if your graphics card is working hunkie dory. Great, good for you. Maybe its card specific? Maybe there's corrupted code in some of the patch downloads? Maybe there's a graphics setting that isn't working as intended that you don't have enabled or have at a different setting? Hey, maybe there's some bad code somewhere! Newsflash, not everyone has the same hardware! So kindly bugger off back under your bridge.
Wrong assumption. I'm running everything on max with no FPS cap. As I had to state to someone else, it doesn't matter what makes you overheat. Overheat is overheat and the only way to fix it is to cool it. You're right, something is wrong but it's not Cryptic and I know that from a personal and professional standpoint. So unless you also have 20 years of working on microsoft based systems as I do then perhaps you should do the buggering chief.
I don't care how many people insult me. This is ridiculous and I'll keep fighting it.
There is no mystical program which melts PC's, poor cooling and dust melts PC's, not programs
STO will not work your videocard out more then say UT3, or Furmark etc, its just impossible. Your videocard has a performance maximum it can hit, after it hits that point, it can go no farther. It doesn't keep going faster and faster, once its reached its performance threshold, it goes no higher
You are dropping hints that STO is SOMEHOW causing your videocard/CPU to overheat through some execution or loop of code which is SOMEHOW making your videocard/CPU work SO hard they shut down
CPU/GPU's are DESIGNED to run with 100% performance, 24/7, for YEARS, not hours. They don't JUST overheat and shut down unless there is a cooling or fan problem.
There is no, repeat, no piece of programming in the world that can make a CPU/GPU run "Out of control" as they say and go faster and faster till they melt down. Its impossible, they have a performance threshold, once they reach a point, they can't go any faster, OR run any hotter
The ONLY reason for a GPU/CPU to be nearing meltdown is:
A) A HOT room, and I am talking a 100F room
C) Dust, it has clogged all your fan intakes/exhusts and is reducing performance
And for those of you with sudden shutdowns with low temperatures:
Again, there is -NO PIECE OF MACHINE CODE IN EXSISTENCE THAT CAN ACCELERATE YOUR GPU/CPU OUT OF CONTROL TILL IT MELTS DOWN-, its physically impossible
There is NO way this game is capable of MELTING DOWN a CPU/GPU, because its physically impossible, a 3GHZ CPU will run as fast as it can, but once it hits its limit of data processing, it CAN'T go any higher, It levels out and sits there until you stop using it at full power
Those of you screaming etc that this game is frying your computers, are either lieing and saying your computer has enough cooling/dust free, or have -NEVER- run a computer as hard as with STO
STO runs my system harder then L4D2 does, it runs it harder then TF2 does, it runs it harder then UT2K4 does
It does NOT run my CPU harder then WoW does
It does NOT run my CPU/GPU combo harder then Crysis Warhead, UT3, Mass Effect, Red Faction G
Again, there is no single piece of machine code in exsistence which can power a GPU/CPU out of control into oblivion.
To ALL of you saying your "PC is fine" and "Can handle the game" try loading up Prime95 and Furmark togeather, if your computer shuts down in less then 10 minutes, YOU HAVE SOME SEARCHING TO DO FOR THE CAUSE, cause all Prime does is stress CPU to 100%, and all furmark does is stress GPU to 100%, and if your computer can't handle both, let alone either one by itself, its time to look at your system MORE closely
I have also been tracking the temps while running STO and my sensors never read over 86c, that is alot less than 127c. I've also checked connections internally and even check my surge protector and wall sockets to see if it was a power issue. (yes I happen to be an electrician). I am running 1000 watt PSU, no issues there I can find. I am still at a loss for what this issue is, I cannot find anything on my side to cause the problem.
AO76
I hate people.
This thread is a prime example of why.
Crashing happens, it happens with buggy code etc. Post Processing for me on ground missions was causing never ending crashes for me till this current patch
People here are talking about their CPU/GPU's overheating and dieing/shutting down etc, not the game crashing
Your system is stable, but to note, 127C is fatal to any CPU/GPU, you should not go any higher then 70C with a i7, 60C with a Phenom II/Athlon II, and higher then 90C with a videocard. If Furmark/Prime is running something at 127C, you REALLY have to cool your CPU/GPU better, cause thats just insane
If its your GPU with Furmark running up to 127C, get a program like Rivatuner and turn your fans up to max, but videocards are designed by default to turn fan to 100% once they pass 90C
Got a new PSU, new fans and a new video card - the N275 GTX Twin Frozr with dual fans. No temperature issues whatsoever.
I have noticed though that my Quad Core is running at much higher utilization than other games. The combination of high CPU and GPU temps might be taxing some borderline cooling systems (like mine before I upgraded)
I've run it both fullscreen and windowed, the only difference is in windowed it took a ton of more CPU resources (About 15%) to run
And yes, 15% is a healthy amount to cause alot of extra heat in your case
The issue I found was that STO was constantly pushing the frame rate as fast as it possibly could. No reason for that in a game like this. Why would I need 146 frames per second?!? It both heats the card and makes random errors more likely. It could be crappy ATI drivers. It could be the game code. I really don't know yet. Bottom line is that setting the /maxfps to a reasonable level has made the game very stable for me with no noticeable loss of video quality and could save many posts here.
Is there a way to load the /maxfps statement into a config file or the game shortcut so I do not have to manually enter it every time I start the client? Or perhaps this will be addressed with a patch. It should be.
Having great fun with the game btw.
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says it is good for cleaninng computers. but the can says contact with liquid can freeze skin and is flammable. is this stuff really safe to spray inside my pc?
Age of Conan hade all so a problem with overheating in its beta towards clients and back then it was NVIDIA hou fixed it .
I just want to say NVIDIA dident touched my RIG .
My system gets out dated yes might be in 2012 for hich end game's
I like this game its hase its own thing , the graphicks are the same as Champions online .
I'vew ran furmark and prime 95 and do not not have any issues. Benchmark was 2836 witch is good and did not get heat over 51c running fur. Im not saying its cryptic, all Im saying is its not my pc over heating. It probably has to do with the internet service path we are on bottle necking. I used to be a tech for camcast and trust me when I say my service is ok as I rewired my house less then a year ago all the way to the street connection.
80*c is prity hot for a CPU for a graphics card that temp would be ok but tbh for a CPU you dont rearlly want it to be going over about 70*c
Hi there I thought I should repost this solution which was elsewhere in one of these threads...
To reduce the heat of your GPU enter the following code into the launcher under options before you enter the game
/perFrameSleep 10
There is a small box where you can enter code in there. I have never done anything like this and I am not a 'tech' and I found it in under 3 minutes. I have a 4850 (which run hot anyways) and doing this makes the fans return to a near whisper and my GPU temp is doen 10 degrees. An improvement for me!
Hope it helps you as it did me cheers!
Should be fine
Agreed. What they are referring to is the propellant used to push the air out. As long as you ensure that the can is upright when sprayed you should have no issues.
runs idle at 50C with game running im at 59C...
"Newer" cards may get 10 degrees hotter or so..but then, if you are above that, you have insufficient cooling of some sort.
- Airflow in your system is bad
- Your box is not designed to cater a gaming card (i.e. you upgraded it yourself, or the one who built the computer was clueless when it comes to cooling;imagine, the bigger suppliers have teams working on how the internal parts of a computer have to be built in for good airflow; your small local storage or friend may just have "experience".).
- Your fans are bad or got bad (dust, failure etc.) => Clean it ;-)
- Your GFX is overclocked (by yourself)
- Your GFX card came with an insufficient cooler => Return to your vendor
Don't tell me that my video card or system was dirty. It is new. This and Champions are the ONLY games that do this temp spike deal. I play freaking Crysis maxed @ 65C and bloody every other game is under 65C, so why is this running @ 75C or more?.
Also the longer I am on the loading screens the worse it gets. So if I am loading for a long period of time my temps get really bad. The loading screens prior to this were over 1000FPS for me!
I have an Nvidia 8800gtx quad core q6600 4 gig ram (all factory standard settings) all in a Tsunami thermal take case
I like a clean case (being an IT engineer and dealing with dirty PC's most of the time) so no fluff in mine
The 1st thing I noticed with STO was at the character creation screen, I was just reading the text on which
officer type to choose when I noticed the Graphics fan sound pitch getting higher and higher and higher
GPU under load and the fan speed automatically adjusted
I wasn't even playing the game (oh and no sound too so I got to trawl around for that fix too)
So yes for some players who are not familair with PC maintenance make sure the basics are covered
like pulling out fluff from your fans and heatsinks (especially if you have a tumble dryer in the house
other than that it is a SOFTWARE ISSUE - Devs please take note
I was not playing the game just ideling in character creation and my GPU fan is winding up for take off
When I did get into game even turning DOWN all the settings to their lowest point my GPU fan was still
screaming at me
I play CS:Source, L4D 1 & 2, Mass Effect and I have not suffered from a loud GPU fan on any of these games and they are graphic intensive too
With everyone having different rig hardware setups why dont DEVS create a poll (for starters)
or ask steam if they can create a STO poll or census for all us players to take our hardware stats
with a tick to say 'Yes I am suffering GPU heating issues' or 'No not me'
that will show the problem straight away
but what do I know I've only been troubleshooting technical issues for 25 years
Its an OEM/Manufacturer/User issue. If you computer is overheating then it does not have adequate cooling. That is hardly Cryptics fault.
Is it possible the code could be more optimized to utilize less GPU/CPU, probably. But should they be worrying about computers overheating? Nope.
I run software that is INTENDED to make my CPU and GPU as hot as possible to test overclocking stability. Under stock clocks I have yet to see it crash a computer except on faulty hardware or poorly designed cooling solutions.
Amazing that someone who has been troubleshooting computers for 25 years would make such a claim.
Real nice positive contribution by putting some else down thanks and what claim did I make that got you so riled up ?
Don't put words in my mouth sonny, 'troubleshooting technical issues for 25 years'
not just computers and if you cant make a positive contribution to an issue stop being part of the problem and keep quite, appreciate it
the point you don't get is I like to make my hardware last, you run software ? for job or personal use ?
for job your reasoning is irrelivent, personal use its your choice not mine thus again your reason has no point here
but you do make the point clear that you agree with me by saying (indirectly) that STO does stress out GPU's since the last update
the more load or pressure something is put under the more stress it suffers reducing its overall life time
are you in the position to freely spend out on new and better equipment as and when it comes out ?
maybe but I choose not to play that game
and yes you seem to have missed the point about the other games I play L4D1&2, CS:S, mass effect
aswell other MMORPG's they don't stress my rig out anywhere near like STO does
YET AGAIN you missed the point that
1) only certain players are suffering this issue
2) it seems to have occured AFTER the patch - apparently
my friend also playing STO has an ATI card yet he doesn't suffer this problem
but there are other ATI users out there who are suffering this problem as well as Nvidia
DEVS:
I found that if I go to windowed mode with a setting of 1024x768 60Hz my GPU load does reduce somewhat
obviously because its not generating a full screen
my desktop settings are 1600 x 1200
even when Full screen and graphics set low and resolution at 1024x768 60hz
GPU load is still high
my main concern for this GPU loading and NOT overheating is that my other half would really like to purchase
this game but has the same hardware setup as myself and is waiting to see what happens
its a pity you have to pre-order the game before you can try out the beta otherwise a lot more people
would be trying it out right now i.e I mean a time limited demo would be great
Otherwise STO is a stonkingly great game
Further testing reveals that when STO logged me out after 15mins inactivity and I then change my graphic
options to full screen 1600x1200 (4:3)
My GPU load increases to the point the fan is maxing out again
This time I am just at the log on screen no graphics are being drawn just a nice blue effect screen
with username and password logon window
with no graphics being drawn at log on screen (after auto log off) STO software is still loading the GPU ?
for what ? grid computing...
I just want to add my stats to the list. I'm overheating between 50-60 c and I've opend my case to check for dust. There is dust so I will clean it Later on(no time atm^^). The heat comes of the video card.
my specs:
Manufacturer: Acer
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8200 @ 2.33GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.3GHz
Memory: 4094MB RAM
Hard Drive: 624 GB Total
Video Card: ATI Radeon HD 3850
Monitor: LG M2094D-PZ 20 inch TFT - 1680 x 1050
Sound Card: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Speakers/Headphones: Monitor + Creative Fatal1ty gaming headset
Keyboard: g15 orange LED
Mouse: USB
Mouse Surface: Normal
Operating System: Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit
Motherboard: Intel 850 Chipset
Again, I'm gonna clean the dust away and try again. Dont know if this will fix the problem since it appears to be kinda random. but I was in a sector with some mining stations. arround these station was some dust so maybe my video card is crappy?
any responds would be nice. have fun ingame!
Greets,
B.B.
You don't have enough air-flow for sure if your using any stock Acer, HP, Dell, or any other PC Brand case with those kind of specs.