Jesus. Its like trying to explain how a plane flies to a 4 year old.
Yeah, I hear ya. I've given up. This guy is just posting now to stir up arguments and moan about his PC's problem. Just ignore him and the troll-like posts may stop.
you want to close a thread because a problem has been found that could be damaging ppls rigs?????? Dude fix the problem dont hide it think of ppl losing their cards. Would you not want to know if something could be hurting your card and if theres a fix for it possibly wouldnt you want to know???!!!
Closing the thread is not the answer. Fixing the in game issue like on what happened in CO is the answer. I dont hate crypticbut i am not gonna say who cares if i hurt my rig just because i want STO to be popular.
Cryptic has time to fix the issue.
No like I said. I want the thread closed because you are spreading blatantly false information.
I am not worried. I know there is nothing Cryptic can do to hurt my card.
And I have no sympathy for someone who would blame Cryptic.
Yeah, I hear ya. I've given up. This guy is just posting now to stir up arguments and moan about his PC's problem. Just ignore him and the troll-like posts may stop.
If it was just another troll thread, I would.
The problem is he is actually misleading people who are having the problem. So instead of those people looking for a real solution, they are lead down this path of ignorance. Then they will get another game that will cause overheating, and be back to the same problem.
Yeah, I hear ya. I've given up. This guy is just posting now to stir up arguments and moan about his PC's problem. Just ignore him and the troll-like posts may stop.
He couldnt answer either. He came in a thread and ppl told him it worked he was wrong after saying i was wrong and hasnt been back since. After it was posted that the maxfps command worked for so many he obviously accepted he was wrong and went away. I suggest you do the same unless you can answer the question.
Guys please leave you were proven wrong days ago and now ppl are coming forward saying it works. I know you were the big fish in the forum pond for computer knowledge but i proved you wrong and the proof is right there in game.
Youre wrong being angry or trying to get me banned wont make you right with the people who read this. All they have to do is try your answer and my answer and we see who wins. Of course i doubt you want that.
Its over guys stop trolling me and let me help these people in the way you couldnt.
The problem is he is actually misleading people who are having the problem. So instead of those people looking for a real solution, they are lead down this path of ignorance. Then they will get another game that will cause overheating, and be back to the same problem.
link one post where someone having heat issues said it happened on another game i dare you. Stop pretending your trying to stop people from "a road to ignorance" Why are you and cipher so afraid to let ppl try hmmm? Could it be you fear ppl coming back like they have started to and say i was right.
Bro you and cipher were the big fish of tech know how.
The problem is he is actually misleading people who are having the problem. So instead of those people looking for a real solution, they are lead down this path of ignorance. Then they will get another game that will cause overheating, and be back to the same problem.
link one post where someone having heat issues said it happened on another game i dare you. Stop pretending your trying to stop people from "a road to ignorance" Why are you and cipher so afraid to let ppl try hmmm? Could it be you fear ppl coming back like they have started to and say i was right.
Bro you and cipher were the big fish of tech know how.
Instead of bickering, help the dev's (and US) figure out which cards this is affecting. All of the whining in here reminds me of a day care, an adult day care to say the least. Find the common denominator here instead of armchair speculation and quick fixes.
(which, by the way, are somewhat informative. and the /maxfps # works well to limit the load. went from overheating to 71C with that and some of the settings turned down. still, this shouldn't be a problem on a new card.)
If i had to sum up what I'm trying to say: Less QQ, more pew-pew.
There's about 7 of these threads floating around, if not more, but hopefully the DEV's are
watchign this one.
My first day of Open Beta I literalyl thought my Geforce 260 Core 216 was dying do to the 105c
temps. I took the card apart, cleaned it, even put on new arctic silver 5 paste, replacing
the stock garbage. The problem still didn't go away.
I was able to shave off 5-10C by turning off Ambient Occlusion in the Nvidia
Control Panel and in game.
The Game still pushes my card up to 80-85C with all max settings, but, a patch
they did about halfway thru open beta cleared up alot of the extreme high end temp problems
I was having with this game, and this game alone. Not even some of the most intense
benchmarks out there had ever pushed my card past 85C in looping mode.
There's about 7 of these threads floating around, if not more, but hopefully the DEV's are
watchign this one.
My first day of Open Beta I literalyl thought my Geforce 260 Core 216 was dying do to the 105c
temps. I took the card apart, cleaned it, even put on new arctic silver 5 paste, replacing
the stock garbage. The problem still didn't go away.
I was able to shave off 5-10C by turning off Ambient Occlusion in the Nvidia
Control Panel and in game.
The Game still pushes my card up to 80-85C with all max settings, but, a patch
they did about halfway thru open beta cleared up alot of the extreme high end temp problems
I was having with this game, and this game alone. Not even some of the most intense
benchmarks out there had ever pushed my card past 85C in looping mode.
hmm another saying its not a cooling issue after all. Why am i not surprised.
The bottom line here is that anyone having overheating issues needs to use a program to monitor their GPU temp, compare it with a review of the same card online that has tested full load temp. If your card's temp is significantly higher then check your case temp and coolong solution because it isn't adequate. The simple solution is buy good brand name, powerful case fans. If necessary, buy a better case designed for high performance gaming. Chances are if you plopped in a high-end GPU into a pre-built system there isn't nearly enough stock cooling to keep your system stable. Heat kills.
link one post where someone having heat issues said it happened on another game i dare you. Stop pretending your trying to stop people from "a road to ignorance" Why are you and cipher so afraid to let ppl try hmmm? Could it be you fear ppl coming back like they have started to and say i was right.
Bro you and cipher were the big fish of tech know how.
Those days are over.
I just gave you multiple threads.
You have yet to show how STO can push the card harder than anything else. No code, no bug is going to do that. If the card cooling solution is up to design spec it doesnt matter how hard STO pushes the card.
I know, its way above your head.
Also what you fail to realize is I never said your solution does not work. So how am I scared to let people try? What you are wrong about is STO being the root cause. The root cause is that STO, you could replace STO with any demanding program, is too demanding for the GPU cooling solution. That is not a fault of STO, that is a fault of the cooling solution.
The only thing people are saying your are right about is that limiting FPS keeps the system from heating up. Well duh, no one disputed that. You dont even know what people are debating with you, another area of ignorance for you.
You have yet to show how STO can push the card harder than anything else. No code, no bug is going to do that. If the card cooling solution is up to design spec it doesnt matter how hard STO pushes the card.
I know, its way above your head.
Also what you fail to realize is I never said your solution does not work. So how am I scared to let people try? What you are wrong about is STO being the root cause. The root cause is that STO, you could replace STO with any demanding program, is too demanding for the GPU cooling solution. That is not a fault of STO, that is a fault of the cooling solution.
The only thing people are saying your are right about is that limiting FPS keeps the system from heating up. Well duh, no one disputed that. You dont even know what people are debating with you, another area of ignorance for you.
wow i guess this is the most powerful game i have ever ran on my pc. Hmm not even dx10. Dude give it a rest u have lost a while back. Its the game thats why it only happens in STO for all the people having issues. Are you so desperate to keep your status in the forums that you would tell ppl to destroy their cards.
Its a game issue. I notice you did just what I SAID you would. You wont answer why only in STO for all these ppl. Why do you dodge an answer for that wuestion just like the cipher guy did.
Dude youve lost please move on its so obvious youre wrong that anyone who had the issue and then it fixed it is now laughing that youre still doing this. Sometimes in life we must admit defeat in the face of overwhelming evidence.
Anyone who reads this please keep posting how its only STO thats his achilles heel and he will move on like cypher did when he realizes the jig is up.
Again i say its not the card or it would happen in other games. you lose bro so plz stop coming back for more its over the solution was found and indeed it was a coding issue. Wow you would think you would have read all the threads where ppl said it only happens on STO.
% bucks say either you disappear or come back with a long winded response that does everything BUT answer that main question. Hmmm your move lets see if i am right.
So i type in "/maxfps 50" in advanced command line from the options menu on the launcher screen?
i havent done that way but i am going to try just so i dont have to type it in every time. The way i have been doing it is going to the chat window and just typing /maxfps 9space)# between 30-60. If you still get heat at 60 just pop down to 30 and that will most likely do the trick. This solution has worked for 95% of the ppl having ths issue and even if u arent running volcanic lol then you still set your card so its not "redlining" your card from such a low resource app.
The bottom line here is that anyone having overheating issues needs to use a program to monitor their GPU temp, compare it with a review of the same card online that has tested full load temp. If your card's temp is significantly higher then check your case temp and coolong solution because it isn't adequate. The simple solution is buy good brand name, powerful case fans. If necessary, buy a better case designed for high performance gaming. Chances are if you plopped in a high-end GPU into a pre-built system there isn't nearly enough stock cooling to keep your system stable. Heat kills.
cusom built system with thermaltake armor case. Also run rivatuner. No heat issues before sto. They need to fix the game so ppl dont have this issue. Every person with heat says the same thing. Only began with sto and this game is not that demanding.
i havent done that way but i am going to try just so i dont have to type it in every time. The way i have been doing it is going to the chat window and just typing /maxfps 9space)# between 30-60. If you still get heat at 60 just pop down to 30 and that will most likely do the trick. This solution has worked for 95% of the ppl having ths issue and even if u arent running volcanic lol then you still set your card so its not "redlining" your card from such a low resource app.
thanks. i usually cant even get that far though. i am usually stuck at the character selection screen. but when I finally made it past it, my monitor blacked out. My temp literally jumps 30 C iin ten minutes in this game.
btw is that 9 in there a typo in maxfps? what do i actually type?
thanks. i usually cant even get that far though. i am usually stuck at the character selection screen. but when I finally made it past it, my monitor blacked out. My temp literally jumps 30 C iin ten minutes in this game.
btw is that 9 in there a typo in maxfps? what do i actually type?
OH ITS A TYPO JUST TYPE /maxfps(space)# between 30-60
cusom built system with thermaltake armor case. Also run rivatuner. No heat issues before sto. They need to fix the game so ppl dont have this issue. Every person with heat says the same thing. Only began with sto and this game is not that demanding.
I'm not doubting this game does use an obscene amount of GPU power. I'm not a programmer so I don't know why. Perhaps the engine is not making efficient use of the GPU's but as long as you have proper cooling your system will be able to handle it. STO is not pushing GPU's beyond their designed operating load.
I'm not doubting this game does use an obscene amount of GPU power. I'm not a programmer so I don't know why. Perhaps the engine is not making efficient use of the GPU's but as long as you have proper cooling your system will be able to handle it. STO is not pushing GPU's beyond their designed operating load.
for you for many others all the "cooling" issues started with this game. I agree if ppl were having issues before STO then yeah it would probably be cooling but 99% say it only happens with STO. I run a pretty nice rig and never had any issues with heat until STO. I fixed the problem but i just want others to know.
If your a lucky one who doesnt have an issue then great but so many others have and some have even lost their cards over this bug.
Can cooling issues cause FPS/performance issues instead of shutdowns? I'm wondering this as I use a laptop for WoW and STO now and I've been having an FPS issue in both at times. I've been blaming it on the internet connection because at home it works fine (60 fps) and in a hotel I get 30fps at times, but then it drops down to <1 fps at other times. Since Internet connection shouldn't affect the FPS that drastically, I was stumped. After reading this thread, now I'm seeing a trend. At home I have my laptop on a cooling pad, whereas at the hotel I'm just on a table top.
Last night, I was able to play STO for 2 hours in my hotel without too much trouble, but then all of a sudden it dropped to <1 fps and I couldn't move or do anything. I couldn't even exit the game or windows properly. I rebooted and it worked fine for about 60 seconds, but then went to <1 fps. Repeated this process to the same effect a few more times then just went to sleep. I left my laptop on overnight to charge my cell phone and tried STO and WoW in the morning and same deal -- lasted about 1 minute until the fps became unbearable.
In hindsight, it appears that this all may be heat related as the 2 hours of good play I received was after the machine was started cold. It heated up over a couple hours and then was done (but never shut down). Since I left the machine on overnight, it was already hot, so same issue.
I'm going to try to get a cooling pad for when I travel to see if it helps, but was curiuos if others have had slow down issues rather than shut down issues from heat.
I am not going to get into the arguement over whther its my pc or my game as its clearly both, yes I could improve the cooling and yes the game is pushing cards harder for some reason than anything I have ever played before.
I have twin 4850s, played most games released in the last year on my rig with no heat problems, Most of the time im with load sitting at 80-85 after a few hours of game play, 75 when idle. stock cooling so I know the cards run hot. If the fans are at 50% it will drop to 65 at idle.
STO sits at 95 at even the biggest battles with the fans at 50% speed, the weird thing is at char select screen and the loading screens/change of mission screens[still picture] its pushing the card to 105 and causing the fans to go nuts then it calms down again when you get back into game. I just drop to desktop during these scenes which prevents it and tab back in when gameplay starts again.
This is after lowering settings and using fps fix before it was sitting at over 100 all the time and upto 110 at loading screens
This game is clearly pushing cards more than any other game released in teh last few years as I could play them all with very little problems or temps any where near what im getting now. And yes I could go out and get some non stock cooling for my cards which would lower the temps but why exactly is this game pushing the cards so hard even on the lowest settings and why are the loading scenes pushing the cards more than actual gameplay.
I have 3 fans in my case, have tried removing the side the only thing that makes things cooler is running fans at 100% all the time which sounds like a tornado in the room.
Even when you do the FPS limit you are still running way too hot.
The fact is that manufacturers have gotten pretty poor with mounting the stock heat sink. I would suggest removing them and putting a better compound on. I suggest MX3.
for you for many others all the "cooling" issues started with this game. I agree if ppl were having issues before STO then yeah it would probably be cooling but 99% say it only happens with STO. I run a pretty nice rig and never had any issues with heat until STO. I fixed the problem but i just want others to know.
If your a lucky one who doesnt have an issue then great but so many others have and some have even lost their cards over this bug.
You are, seriously, bar none, the biggest idgit I have seen in this thread
Do you know what /maxfps does? It tells your GPU that if it reaches X amount of frames per second, do not render next frame, wait till the time limit expires then render next frame
I mentioned it at the START of this whole thread, there is no, repeat, no program that will work your videocard higher then Furmark will. Nothing, fin, finito, nothing will run it harder
There is people here, people like -YOU- who spread ignorance and go "STO burns up videocards by some code error which causes it to run out of control which frys cards!"
There is, in no history of computing, such a chip in place where with a piece of software it will run so out of control it melts down. Chip's are not like diesel engines, where if you take the governor off, they go faster and faster and faster till they melt down.
Computer chips are designed via electronic pathways to run X amount of electrons through Y bit addresses per second. My Phenom II 955 is running at 3.5ghz. 4 Cores, resonating at over 1.0e-9 hertz per 1 second across 4 cores. I can only tell the chip to go faster or slower through A) The bios A overclocking program
STO, does not contain any such overclocking program inside it. It does not make your videocard go from 700mhz to 1.2ghz. It does not do this, so rule that out
Second, because of thermal limits, only X amount of information can be processed through Y amount of time do too its thermal design limits. My chip is stable at 3.5ghz under 100% load, if I run it faster, say 3.6ghz, the chip now does not have enough voltage to keep a coherent bit stream possible, and programs/windows start crashing left and right.
All I can do is work the cores as hard as I can, within their thermal limits. They are not spiraling out of control like a freight train, the chips reach 100% load at 3.5ghz in my case, and cannot process any more data until current data is processed. The ONLY way I could make my chip process MORE data then that, is to turn up the clock speed and voltage of the chip past 3.5ghz, because otherwise I have reached the thermal limits of design of the chip. It cannot move any more electrons stablely through the chip faster then its maximum resonation of 3.5ghz, it cannot process any faster then that, once it reaches 100% load, it can go no further
Now, YOU are saying that STO is somehow making your GPU, which is a computer chip, rocket out of control ever faster and faster, hotter and hotter till it melts down, I am telling you right now, unless there is a cooling problem. Which means improperly mounted cooler, not enough case fans, poor air flow, poor cable management, dust build up or a hot room
There is no, repeat, no way that STO will work your videocard harder then say Crysis Warhead or Furmark, and I got the wattage measurements VIA MULTIMETER AND LOAD MONITORING FROM THE WALL to prove this.
To all of you saying you can run Crysis etc full speed and "Only this game has problems" I have, litereally, no doubt in my mind that your CPU's are bottlenecking Crysis SO MUCH that your FPS are suffering drastically and as such your GPU is getting nowhere near its maximum potential, but in this game, where CPU load is near nil, your GPU's -ARE- working harder then Crysis because the CPU is no longer the bottleneck, your GPU is the performance bottleneck, and because of the -LIST- of reasons I have given for it overheating, its starting to cook itself
There is, no, program, in exsistence, which will work your GPU harder then furmark. If you can run furmark and Prime95 TOGEATHER for 30 minutes, and don't come -ANYWHERE- near the temperatures recorded playing STO, I will flat out call you a liar, because there is no two programs, both furmark working the GPU, and Prime95 working the CPU, which will work it harder (Or OCCT for a replacement for Prime95)
In fact, I bet so many of you have your computers so vastly underspeced, that you running Prime95/OCCT and Furmark togeather will probably find their computer will spontaniously reboot due to poor power supplies
This is how much cooling and hacking up of a -STANDARD- computer case must be done to cool a:
Phenom II 955 3.5ghz stock voltage with a Zalman 9700 cooler
Radeon 5850 Stock
SIX Hard drives
1 DVD dual layer burner
8Gigs of ram across 4 sticks
ELEVEN USB products in use
If your PC case looks NOWHERE near like this, with 4-6 fans on it, and you have GTX260-280's and 4870-5870's crammed into cases like this with all the fans removed, you -CLEARLY- do not have enough airflow in your cases to handle the heat
There is, no piece of machine code in exsistence which will make a chip run faster and faster till it explodes without making the chip resonate faster
A 800mhz chip will do 800mhz of work, it will not suddenly do 1600mhz of work because you simply ran code on it, only through bios or overclocking could you make this chip run faster/hotter
I hope this clears stuff up, please, do not be like this moron in the thread who thinks /maxfps is doing ANYTHING other then sending a stop instruction call to your GPU once it hits X FPS over Y time
STO has no -CODE BUGS- which are causing your computers to overheat and melt down, your IMPROPER COOLING REQUIREMENTS are causing your CPU/GPU to melt down
Chips are DESIGNED to run 100% load for YEARS, not HOURS
Also, some numbers
Intel chips run near their hottest safe limits at 75C
AMD Phenom II's run hottest within safe limits at 55C
-ALL- Videocards made from Geforce 6 and up and their ATI equivelents from that time period onwards to today are -DESIGNED- to run near 85C full load
nice post prophet perhaps morons who think there shop bought pc with aftermarket cards and stuff add on with only stock cpu and stock gpu cooling on the entire case will see there machines are not "perfect"
but only 1 comment
get a propper case designed for cooling they dont cost much and are designed for high air intake and stable air flow.
mine for example has room for 4 120mm x 25 mm fans and also has a sexy 200 mm x 25 mm vent fan to get insane air flow inside my pc. and it looks very nice as all the fans are on the inside and not sticking to my case via duct tape , its an antec 900 case and u can just google image it to see it, i ofc did not go for the clear side pannel as thats just for muppets
but guys please stop blameing the game for your very poor system specs and colling.
im playing the game at max setting on a gts 250 rig with the gpu hitting a max of 67c after 4 hours of space pvp as a klingon XD . now ofc before i got my antec 900 case i was having alot of heating problems due to my small case with only stock cooling with it peeking to 95c after 10 mins. thankfully my gts 250 can run at 110c before it starts to get damaged. but once i got my new case boom no more heat issues.
now i did make a post like this before and ppl started flameing my post because i made them relize there "perfect" rig is not so perfect.
my specs if u want them
intel Q6600 core 2 quad 2.6ghz
8 gig DDR2 800 MHZ ram on dual channel (only people who need DDR3 is graphic designers)
GTS 250 gpu manufactured by PNY OC edition with non stock cooling
1 raptor HDD
1x DVD/CD RW drive (like u need them anymore thaks to digital downloads)
800W PSU (more then i need but will be going for a 1k+ soon when i move to sli set up)
gigabyte S-series board GA-G33M-S2L 1333 FSB (more then enough for any game )
a sexy 22 inch widescreen HP HDMI moniter
antec 900 case with 4x 120mm x 25mm case fans running at 3k RPM (they create so much flow u can feel the air in my room move from the other side of it and turns my pc into an air con system my rooms that cold)
1x 200mm x 25 mm 2.5k RPM vent fan on the very top of my case formax air flow and riseing heat venting
my psu is located at the bottom of my pc due to the design of the case which is a very nice touch.
when idle my gpu is at 35 -40c depending on whats im doing on my desktop
The fact is that manufacturers have gotten pretty poor with mounting the stock heat sink. I would suggest removing them and putting a better compound on. I suggest MX3.
nice post prophet perhaps morons who think there shop bought pc with aftermarket cards and stuff add on with only stock cpu and stock gpu cooling on the entire case will see there machines are not "perfect"
Nice to see some other people here who do have a clue about hardware and are trying to talk sense into those who are seriously lacking. I have no problem with ignorance about specific topics, as we all have our weak areas of knowledge, but when these people spread ignorance to others and try to pass it off as fact, I have serious problems. Good to see people with common sense stepping up.
There is people here, people like -YOU- who spread ignorance and go "STO burns up videocards by some code error which causes it to run out of control which frys cards!"
Amen. I have a GTX 295 just like Fadde, but funny how I have no problems at all, regardless on whether I test with vertical sync enabled or disabled. Enabled, my cards pretty much stay in the 50s C under load with a pre-set 70% fan speed. Disabled, they peak in the 60s C under load with the same pre-set of 70% fan speed. Looks like Fadde didn't know how to adequately cool his PC and is just blaming it on STO. High-end cards can run hot with auto fan speeds, so I choose to control my own cooling with different hot keys for the video card cooler fan speeds along with fan controls for my case fans.
As for my GTX 295, it's 40s C idle with auto fan for both GPUs. Indeed, Fadde could have a GTX 295 with a mis-mounted or poorly mounted cooler from the manufacturer.
Comments
Yeah, I hear ya.
No like I said. I want the thread closed because you are spreading blatantly false information.
I am not worried. I know there is nothing Cryptic can do to hurt my card.
And I have no sympathy for someone who would blame Cryptic.
If it was just another troll thread, I would.
The problem is he is actually misleading people who are having the problem. So instead of those people looking for a real solution, they are lead down this path of ignorance. Then they will get another game that will cause overheating, and be back to the same problem.
He couldnt answer either. He came in a thread and ppl told him it worked he was wrong after saying i was wrong and hasnt been back since. After it was posted that the maxfps command worked for so many he obviously accepted he was wrong and went away. I suggest you do the same unless you can answer the question.
Guys please leave you were proven wrong days ago and now ppl are coming forward saying it works. I know you were the big fish in the forum pond for computer knowledge but i proved you wrong and the proof is right there in game.
Youre wrong being angry or trying to get me banned wont make you right with the people who read this. All they have to do is try your answer and my answer and we see who wins. Of course i doubt you want that.
Its over guys stop trolling me and let me help these people in the way you couldnt.
Isure seems to work for false information lol.
Bro you and cipher were the big fish of tech know how.
Those days are over.
Bro you and cipher were the big fish of tech know how.
Those days are over.
(which, by the way, are somewhat informative. and the /maxfps # works well to limit the load. went from overheating to 71C with that and some of the settings turned down. still, this shouldn't be a problem on a new card.)
If i had to sum up what I'm trying to say: Less QQ, more pew-pew.
watchign this one.
My first day of Open Beta I literalyl thought my Geforce 260 Core 216 was dying do to the 105c
temps. I took the card apart, cleaned it, even put on new arctic silver 5 paste, replacing
the stock garbage. The problem still didn't go away.
I was able to shave off 5-10C by turning off Ambient Occlusion in the Nvidia
Control Panel and in game.
The Game still pushes my card up to 80-85C with all max settings, but, a patch
they did about halfway thru open beta cleared up alot of the extreme high end temp problems
I was having with this game, and this game alone. Not even some of the most intense
benchmarks out there had ever pushed my card past 85C in looping mode.
hmm another saying its not a cooling issue after all. Why am i not surprised.
Really? You must not know how to read. He clearly said it was a cooling issue.
105C to 85C.... thats a cooling issue.
Just because code can be optimized to reduce load on the GPU does not mean it is still not a cooling issue.
I just gave you multiple threads.
You have yet to show how STO can push the card harder than anything else. No code, no bug is going to do that. If the card cooling solution is up to design spec it doesnt matter how hard STO pushes the card.
I know, its way above your head.
Also what you fail to realize is I never said your solution does not work. So how am I scared to let people try? What you are wrong about is STO being the root cause. The root cause is that STO, you could replace STO with any demanding program, is too demanding for the GPU cooling solution. That is not a fault of STO, that is a fault of the cooling solution.
The only thing people are saying your are right about is that limiting FPS keeps the system from heating up. Well duh, no one disputed that. You dont even know what people are debating with you, another area of ignorance for you.
/double facepalm
wow i guess this is the most powerful game i have ever ran on my pc. Hmm not even dx10. Dude give it a rest u have lost a while back. Its the game thats why it only happens in STO for all the people having issues. Are you so desperate to keep your status in the forums that you would tell ppl to destroy their cards.
Its a game issue. I notice you did just what I SAID you would. You wont answer why only in STO for all these ppl. Why do you dodge an answer for that wuestion just like the cipher guy did.
Dude youve lost please move on its so obvious youre wrong that anyone who had the issue and then it fixed it is now laughing that youre still doing this. Sometimes in life we must admit defeat in the face of overwhelming evidence.
Anyone who reads this please keep posting how its only STO thats his achilles heel and he will move on like cypher did when he realizes the jig is up.
Again i say its not the card or it would happen in other games. you lose bro so plz stop coming back for more its over the solution was found and indeed it was a coding issue. Wow you would think you would have read all the threads where ppl said it only happens on STO.
% bucks say either you disappear or come back with a long winded response that does everything BUT answer that main question. Hmmm your move lets see if i am right.
i havent done that way but i am going to try just so i dont have to type it in every time. The way i have been doing it is going to the chat window and just typing /maxfps 9space)# between 30-60. If you still get heat at 60 just pop down to 30 and that will most likely do the trick. This solution has worked for 95% of the ppl having ths issue and even if u arent running volcanic lol then you still set your card so its not "redlining" your card from such a low resource app.
cusom built system with thermaltake armor case. Also run rivatuner. No heat issues before sto. They need to fix the game so ppl dont have this issue. Every person with heat says the same thing. Only began with sto and this game is not that demanding.
thanks. i usually cant even get that far though. i am usually stuck at the character selection screen. but when I finally made it past it, my monitor blacked out. My temp literally jumps 30 C iin ten minutes in this game.
btw is that 9 in there a typo in maxfps? what do i actually type?
OH ITS A TYPO JUST TYPE /maxfps(space)# between 30-60
I'm not doubting this game does use an obscene amount of GPU power. I'm not a programmer so I don't know why. Perhaps the engine is not making efficient use of the GPU's but as long as you have proper cooling your system will be able to handle it. STO is not pushing GPU's beyond their designed operating load.
for you for many others all the "cooling" issues started with this game. I agree if ppl were having issues before STO then yeah it would probably be cooling but 99% say it only happens with STO. I run a pretty nice rig and never had any issues with heat until STO. I fixed the problem but i just want others to know.
If your a lucky one who doesnt have an issue then great but so many others have and some have even lost their cards over this bug.
Last night, I was able to play STO for 2 hours in my hotel without too much trouble, but then all of a sudden it dropped to <1 fps and I couldn't move or do anything. I couldn't even exit the game or windows properly. I rebooted and it worked fine for about 60 seconds, but then went to <1 fps. Repeated this process to the same effect a few more times then just went to sleep. I left my laptop on overnight to charge my cell phone and tried STO and WoW in the morning and same deal -- lasted about 1 minute until the fps became unbearable.
In hindsight, it appears that this all may be heat related as the 2 hours of good play I received was after the machine was started cold. It heated up over a couple hours and then was done (but never shut down). Since I left the machine on overnight, it was already hot, so same issue.
I'm going to try to get a cooling pad for when I travel to see if it helps, but was curiuos if others have had slow down issues rather than shut down issues from heat.
Thanks
Yes, if your graphics card gets too hot it should start to underclock itself to reduce heat, resulting in poor performance.
I have twin 4850s, played most games released in the last year on my rig with no heat problems, Most of the time im with load sitting at 80-85 after a few hours of game play, 75 when idle. stock cooling so I know the cards run hot. If the fans are at 50% it will drop to 65 at idle.
STO sits at 95 at even the biggest battles with the fans at 50% speed, the weird thing is at char select screen and the loading screens/change of mission screens[still picture] its pushing the card to 105 and causing the fans to go nuts then it calms down again when you get back into game. I just drop to desktop during these scenes which prevents it and tab back in when gameplay starts again.
This is after lowering settings and using fps fix before it was sitting at over 100 all the time and upto 110 at loading screens
This game is clearly pushing cards more than any other game released in teh last few years as I could play them all with very little problems or temps any where near what im getting now. And yes I could go out and get some non stock cooling for my cards which would lower the temps but why exactly is this game pushing the cards so hard even on the lowest settings and why are the loading scenes pushing the cards more than actual gameplay.
I have 3 fans in my case, have tried removing the side the only thing that makes things cooler is running fans at 100% all the time which sounds like a tornado in the room.
http://www.overclock.net/ati/350655-post-your-4850-4870-idle-temps-7.html
Even when you do the FPS limit you are still running way too hot.
The fact is that manufacturers have gotten pretty poor with mounting the stock heat sink. I would suggest removing them and putting a better compound on. I suggest MX3.
You are, seriously, bar none, the biggest idgit I have seen in this thread
Do you know what /maxfps does? It tells your GPU that if it reaches X amount of frames per second, do not render next frame, wait till the time limit expires then render next frame
I mentioned it at the START of this whole thread, there is no, repeat, no program that will work your videocard higher then Furmark will. Nothing, fin, finito, nothing will run it harder
There is people here, people like -YOU- who spread ignorance and go "STO burns up videocards by some code error which causes it to run out of control which frys cards!"
There is, in no history of computing, such a chip in place where with a piece of software it will run so out of control it melts down. Chip's are not like diesel engines, where if you take the governor off, they go faster and faster and faster till they melt down.
Computer chips are designed via electronic pathways to run X amount of electrons through Y bit addresses per second. My Phenom II 955 is running at 3.5ghz. 4 Cores, resonating at over 1.0e-9 hertz per 1 second across 4 cores. I can only tell the chip to go faster or slower through A) The bios
STO, does not contain any such overclocking program inside it. It does not make your videocard go from 700mhz to 1.2ghz. It does not do this, so rule that out
Second, because of thermal limits, only X amount of information can be processed through Y amount of time do too its thermal design limits. My chip is stable at 3.5ghz under 100% load, if I run it faster, say 3.6ghz, the chip now does not have enough voltage to keep a coherent bit stream possible, and programs/windows start crashing left and right.
All I can do is work the cores as hard as I can, within their thermal limits. They are not spiraling out of control like a freight train, the chips reach 100% load at 3.5ghz in my case, and cannot process any more data until current data is processed. The ONLY way I could make my chip process MORE data then that, is to turn up the clock speed and voltage of the chip past 3.5ghz, because otherwise I have reached the thermal limits of design of the chip. It cannot move any more electrons stablely through the chip faster then its maximum resonation of 3.5ghz, it cannot process any faster then that, once it reaches 100% load, it can go no further
Now, YOU are saying that STO is somehow making your GPU, which is a computer chip, rocket out of control ever faster and faster, hotter and hotter till it melts down, I am telling you right now, unless there is a cooling problem. Which means improperly mounted cooler, not enough case fans, poor air flow, poor cable management, dust build up or a hot room
There is no, repeat, no way that STO will work your videocard harder then say Crysis Warhead or Furmark, and I got the wattage measurements VIA MULTIMETER AND LOAD MONITORING FROM THE WALL to prove this.
To all of you saying you can run Crysis etc full speed and "Only this game has problems" I have, litereally, no doubt in my mind that your CPU's are bottlenecking Crysis SO MUCH that your FPS are suffering drastically and as such your GPU is getting nowhere near its maximum potential, but in this game, where CPU load is near nil, your GPU's -ARE- working harder then Crysis because the CPU is no longer the bottleneck, your GPU is the performance bottleneck, and because of the -LIST- of reasons I have given for it overheating, its starting to cook itself
There is, no, program, in exsistence, which will work your GPU harder then furmark. If you can run furmark and Prime95 TOGEATHER for 30 minutes, and don't come -ANYWHERE- near the temperatures recorded playing STO, I will flat out call you a liar, because there is no two programs, both furmark working the GPU, and Prime95 working the CPU, which will work it harder (Or OCCT for a replacement for Prime95)
In fact, I bet so many of you have your computers so vastly underspeced, that you running Prime95/OCCT and Furmark togeather will probably find their computer will spontaniously reboot due to poor power supplies
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3299/dscf0002vd.jpg
This is how much cooling and hacking up of a -STANDARD- computer case must be done to cool a:
Phenom II 955 3.5ghz stock voltage with a Zalman 9700 cooler
Radeon 5850 Stock
SIX Hard drives
1 DVD dual layer burner
8Gigs of ram across 4 sticks
ELEVEN USB products in use
If your PC case looks NOWHERE near like this, with 4-6 fans on it, and you have GTX260-280's and 4870-5870's crammed into cases like this with all the fans removed, you -CLEARLY- do not have enough airflow in your cases to handle the heat
There is, no piece of machine code in exsistence which will make a chip run faster and faster till it explodes without making the chip resonate faster
A 800mhz chip will do 800mhz of work, it will not suddenly do 1600mhz of work because you simply ran code on it, only through bios or overclocking could you make this chip run faster/hotter
I hope this clears stuff up, please, do not be like this moron in the thread who thinks /maxfps is doing ANYTHING other then sending a stop instruction call to your GPU once it hits X FPS over Y time
STO has no -CODE BUGS- which are causing your computers to overheat and melt down, your IMPROPER COOLING REQUIREMENTS are causing your CPU/GPU to melt down
Chips are DESIGNED to run 100% load for YEARS, not HOURS
Also, some numbers
Intel chips run near their hottest safe limits at 75C
AMD Phenom II's run hottest within safe limits at 55C
-ALL- Videocards made from Geforce 6 and up and their ATI equivelents from that time period onwards to today are -DESIGNED- to run near 85C full load
but only 1 comment
get a propper case designed for cooling they dont cost much and are designed for high air intake and stable air flow.
mine for example has room for 4 120mm x 25 mm fans and also has a sexy 200 mm x 25 mm vent fan to get insane air flow inside my pc. and it looks very nice as all the fans are on the inside and not sticking to my case via duct tape
but guys please stop blameing the game for your very poor system specs and colling.
im playing the game at max setting on a gts 250 rig with the gpu hitting a max of 67c after 4 hours of space pvp as a klingon XD . now ofc before i got my antec 900 case i was having alot of heating problems due to my small case with only stock cooling with it peeking to 95c after 10 mins. thankfully my gts 250 can run at 110c before it starts to get damaged. but once i got my new case boom no more heat issues.
now i did make a post like this before and ppl started flameing my post because i made them relize there "perfect" rig is not so perfect.
my specs if u want them
intel Q6600 core 2 quad 2.6ghz
8 gig DDR2 800 MHZ ram on dual channel (only people who need DDR3 is graphic designers)
GTS 250 gpu manufactured by PNY OC edition with non stock cooling
1 raptor HDD
1x DVD/CD RW drive (like u need them anymore thaks to digital downloads)
800W PSU (more then i need but will be going for a 1k+ soon when i move to sli set up)
gigabyte S-series board GA-G33M-S2L 1333 FSB (more then enough for any game )
a sexy 22 inch widescreen HP HDMI moniter
antec 900 case with 4x 120mm x 25mm case fans running at 3k RPM (they create so much flow u can feel the air in my room move from the other side of it and turns my pc into an air con system my rooms that cold)
1x 200mm x 25 mm 2.5k RPM vent fan on the very top of my case formax air flow and riseing heat venting
my psu is located at the bottom of my pc due to the design of the case which is a very nice touch.
when idle my gpu is at 35 -40c depending on whats im doing on my desktop
peace out
Nice to see some other people here who do have a clue about hardware and are trying to talk sense into those who are seriously lacking.
Amen. I have a GTX 295 just like Fadde, but funny how I have no problems at all, regardless on whether I test with vertical sync enabled or disabled. Enabled, my cards pretty much stay in the 50s C under load with a pre-set 70% fan speed. Disabled, they peak in the 60s C under load with the same pre-set of 70% fan speed. Looks like Fadde didn't know how to adequately cool his PC and is just blaming it on STO. High-end cards can run hot with auto fan speeds, so I choose to control my own cooling with different hot keys for the video card cooler fan speeds along with fan controls for my case fans.
As for my GTX 295, it's 40s C idle with auto fan for both GPUs. Indeed, Fadde could have a GTX 295 with a mis-mounted or poorly mounted cooler from the manufacturer.