killl the ambient occlusion... it's a very subtle addition to new games but with a GTS 250 you lose 20-30fps with that on... also with your set up... turn shadows 100%... that should let you MAX every other setting out and run it up to 1920x2000 easily
Nice. I'd take that advice... someone who knows what they're talking about.
From your DXDiag, I need to see the PCI devices as well... they might be a ways down. Your video card, drivers, etc., look fine.
I tried with AA completely Off at some point, the difference wasn't huge. I was expecting at least a fps above 30 with a video card like this.
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killl the ambient occlusion... it's a very subtle addition to new games but with a GTS 250 you lose 20-30fps with that on... also with your set up... turn shadows 100%... that should let you MAX every other setting out and run it up to 1920x2000 easily
Yes, thanks. I'll try that next time.
I would have thought the GTS 250 capable of managing Ambient Occlusion better though.
That is whacked, White Knight. What is your game install directory doing in the Public user's folder? By default the installer should point to Program Files or Program Files (x86) for 64-bit OSes.
Connelli, your PCI listings look good. Have chipset drivers installed and everything.
As TallBear mentioned earlier, disabling ambient occlusion might be the ticket. You can also change settings for your video card globally and have them override application (game) settings as well from the NVIDIA control panel.
Hey whiteKnight, what kind of framerate do you get in stations and ships? (Same video card and similar rig)
What are you settings like?
If I ever get back into the game I'll run fraps . I got a really bad case of "rubber-band" effect. Jerking back and forth. Known issue hopefully this will be fix in the maintenance period.
Connelli, I don't know what framerate you should be getting, but with your configuration, I can make an educated guess. At 1024x768, I can easily guess that you'll be getting more than 60 FPS, well over what your monitor is capable of displaying. You can easily run your client at 1280x1024 (your monitor's native resolution) with a GTS 250 and at high settings.
Let's find the thing that's crippling your performance first.
My current Videocard (Radeon 1650) isn't good enough, and I'm looking at upgrading to a Nvidia GTS 250, hopefully tomorrow. I'm told that should be enough, is this true?
My current Videocard (Radeon 1650) isn't good enough, and I'm looking at upgrading to a Nvidia GTS 250, hopefully tomorrow. I'm told that should be enough, is this true?
As moshpit mentioned, the GTS 250 is more than you'll need for most resolutions.
The other member here was having problems with his due to configuration, not because it's inadequate. Many are running on a GTS 250 with very good results.
My current Videocard (Radeon 1650) isn't good enough, and I'm looking at upgrading to a Nvidia GTS 250, hopefully tomorrow. I'm told that should be enough, is this true?
Woah... Well can't be too accurate, I've been runnng it for two days on my Asus EEpc 1201N netbook.... runs fine.
Running what, the STO client?
It's a Netbook, it's not going to run any game well. You might get 20-30 FPS on lower settings, but it certainly wouldn't be enjoyable to me. If you're fine with that performance, then by all means, enjoy it.
It's a Netbook, it's not going to run any game well. You might get 20-30 FPS on lower settings, but it certainly wouldn't be enjoyable to me. If you're fine with that performance, then by all means, enjoy it.
Packing a dual-core 1.6GHz Intel Atom 330 processor typically found in nettops, NVIDIA Ion graphics, 2GB of DDR2 RAM, and a 5,400rpm 250GB drive, the 1201N is hot to trot on specs. The dual-core processor provided noticeably better performance than the standard netbook's single-core 1.6GHz Intel Atom N270 CPU
Yup. I've seen the reviews of it for gaming, as they were testing a 1st-person shooter. 30 FPS on average, with a 40 FPS peak. But any graphically-demanding areas and the FPS dipped to 20s.
Not a gaming laptop in the least, no matter how much NVIDIA wants to celebrate it, lol. It's like celebrating the 9500 GT video card.
you guys talk about resolution and framerates...i cant even change resolution, cause everytime i try to go to fullscreen the game crashes! maxed windowed works fine tough.
Question: My new CPU build is almost complete, Quad Core 2.8Ghz AM3 / DDR3 1800 4GB's I am still waiting on the video card too come in, (Radeon HD 5770 is currently Back ordered *groan*:( will the on board Radeon HD 4200 do the job for the time being??
Question: My new CPU build is almost complete, Quad Core 2.8Ghz AM3 / DDR3 1800 4GB's I am still waiting on the video card too come in, (Radeon HD 5770 is currently Back ordered *groan*:( will the on board Radeon HD 4200 do the job for the time being??
Hey whiteKnight, what kind of framerate do you get in stations and ships? (Same video card and similar rig)
What are you settings like?
Out station 70 fps, In station 15 - 30 fps. After disabling Ambient Occlusion 25-50fps especially with I am running. Really suck in station. The maintenance cycle really help. Little to almost no Rubbermaid effect.
My nVidia GeForce 9400 GT seems to be doing fine. I'm surprised that I didn't have to change anything (knocks on simulated woodgrain console) in my video settings to get the game to lauch. That's a first for me in a beta.
I'll have to take a look at my FPS tonight. Maybe I'm being to liberal in my beta tolerance.
3 settings that helped a lot were:
Screen-Space Ambient Occlusion : OFF
Depth of Field : OFF
Shadows : LOW
Now i get around 30fps mostly everywhere on foot, but i still get 14-20 fps in the crowded area of Vega Colony (Near Commander Kelly).
Normal?
Anything else i should be checking?
I'm glad those settings helped, but that's still not normal for a GTS 250. I don't know what else might be wrong without being at your PC. What framerate do you get in other games? I assume it's a lot higher.
We just updated the FAQ, but wanted to call it out here, as well. Star Trek Online's system requirements are as follows: System Requirements
OS: Windows XP SP2 / Windows Vista / Windows 7 (32 or 64-bit) CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo 1.8 Ghz or AMD Athlon X2 3800+ Memory: 1GB RAM Video: NVIDIA GeForce 7950 / ATI Radeon X1800 / Intel HD Graphics Sound: DirectX 9.0c Compatible Soundcard DirectX: Version 9.0c or Higher HDD: 8GB Free Disk Space Network: Internet Broadband Connection Required Disc: 6X DVD-ROM Recommended System Configuration
OS: Windows XP SP2 / Windows Vista / Windows 7 (32 or 64-bit) CPU: Intel E8400 Core 2 Duo or AMD Athlon X2 5600+ Memory: 2GB RAM+ Video: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 / ATI Radeon HD 3850+ Sound: DirectX 9.0c Compatible Soundcard DirectX: Version 9.0c or Higher HDD: 8GB Free Disk Space Network: Internet Broadband Connection Required Disc: 6X DVD-ROM
I'm glad those settings helped, but that's still not normal for a GTS 250. I don't know what else might be wrong without being at your PC. What framerate do you get in other games? I assume it's a lot higher.
I'm sure it's just the game. When X2 The Threat came out even systems with 8800 GT SLI had really bad FPS. It took several patches to fix it. I had really bad Rubbermaid effect till after last night maintenance cycle. Give them time they'll fix it.
Both machines manage to run in 75% settings without ANY problems. The AMD has trouble with 100% settings in Stardock.
An odd thing I found was that when I change resolution from 1600x1200 to a lower 4:3, the FPS drops dramatically... any idea on that?
And the 8800 GT is faster than the 7950. What's your point?
Regardless, if you took any bit of time to read this thread you'd see that we already talked about that to great lengths. But thanks for confirming that for community members as well.
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Nice. I'd take that advice... someone who knows what they're talking about.
I tried with AA completely Off at some point, the difference wasn't huge. I was expecting at least a fps above 30 with a video card like this.
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Yes, thanks. I'll try that next time.
I would have thought the GTS 250 capable of managing Ambient Occlusion better though.
Then you know it wasn't me.:D
Hey whiteKnight, what kind of framerate do you get in stations and ships? (Same video card and similar rig)
What are you settings like?
As TallBear mentioned earlier, disabling ambient occlusion might be the ticket. You can also change settings for your video card globally and have them override application (game) settings as well from the NVIDIA control panel.
LOL. Nah, you know what your talking about... most of the time.
Remember the game is in Beta. Nvidia will have better drivers.
Let's find the thing that's crippling your performance first.
Yes. More then fine.
The other member here was having problems with his due to configuration, not because it's inadequate. Many are running on a GTS 250 with very good results.
I'm is fine.
Make sure your PSU support it. If not you'll need a new PSU. General a 450W PSU can run it. Read the card's box for sys. req.
Running what, the STO client?
It's a Netbook, it's not going to run any game well. You might get 20-30 FPS on lower settings, but it certainly wouldn't be enjoyable to me. If you're fine with that performance, then by all means, enjoy it.
It has NVIDIA Ion.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/18/asus-eee-pc-1201n-review/
FPS is not great but playable.
Yup. I've seen the reviews of it for gaming, as they were testing a 1st-person shooter. 30 FPS on average, with a 40 FPS peak. But any graphically-demanding areas and the FPS dipped to 20s.
Not a gaming laptop in the least, no matter how much NVIDIA wants to celebrate it, lol. It's like celebrating the 9500 GT video card.
Currently DL'ing beta.... with high hopes.....
Low resolution, low settings.
Out station 70 fps, In station 15 - 30 fps. After disabling Ambient Occlusion 25-50fps especially with I am running. Really suck in station. The maintenance cycle really help. Little to almost no Rubbermaid effect.
Screen-Space Ambient Occlusion : OFF
Depth of Field : OFF
Shadows : LOW
Now i get around 30fps mostly everywhere on foot, but i still get 14-20 fps in the crowded area of Vega Colony (Near Commander Kelly).
Normal?
Anything else i should be checking?
I'll have to take a look at my FPS tonight. Maybe I'm being to liberal in my beta tolerance.
can you tell me what graficoptions you have?
I'm glad those settings helped, but that's still not normal for a GTS 250. I don't know what else might be wrong without being at your PC. What framerate do you get in other games? I assume it's a lot higher.
These minimum are not really accurate I think... I've tried STO on 2 different computers:
AMD 64 X2 3800+ // 2Gb // WIn 7 64bit // geForce 8800GT 512Mb // 1600x1200 resolution
Intel P4 3Ghz // 1Gb // Win XP 32bit // Radeon 9800 XT 256Mb // 1400x900 resolution
Both machines manage to run in 75% settings without ANY problems. The AMD has trouble with 100% settings in Stardock.
An odd thing I found was that when I change resolution from 1600x1200 to a lower 4:3, the FPS drops dramatically... any idea on that?
I'm sure it's just the game. When X2 The Threat came out even systems with 8800 GT SLI had really bad FPS. It took several patches to fix it. I had really bad Rubbermaid effect till after last night maintenance cycle. Give them time they'll fix it.
And the 8800 GT is faster than the 7950. What's your point?
Regardless, if you took any bit of time to read this thread you'd see that we already talked about that to great lengths.