In that case, maybe the drone's own nanoprobes are breaking the flesh down for conversion to energy for the cube's use or...recycling. For all we know, that's actually what the Borg do with their dead drones and this just the first we've seen of it (though on a properly functioning vessel, that would likely be carried out in a dedicated disposal chamber) - that would certainly fit Q's designation of them as 'the ultimate user' and makes them exceedingly disturbing at the same time.
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A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
We have seen individual drones as well as entire Cubes being cut off from the Collective, but no one ever needed to resort to literally eating each other to survive. We were told that Borg do not need to consume food. Scroll up and watch the video I posted. Doctor Crusher spells it out for you.
Besides, Borg regenerate inside their alcoves; they don't eat food.
- Beverly Crusher NEVER was Captain of the USS Pasteur (Again, you think she took a demotion from Head of Starfleet Medical and Admiral to command a ship 10 years later?)
History in STO is different from history in Canon. Its doubtful Dr. Crusher will accept a demotion to Captain to command a Starship. Just as equally doubtful Geordi will accept a demotion to command the Galaxy class USS Challenger when apparently Galaxy class starships have largely been replaced.
Besides... that blurb about Dr. Crusher commanding the Pasteur is probably a nod to All Good Things, and as it was not confirmed in game by seeing her in command of that ship...
To think that my main character was part of the Prime Timeline until Daniels and the Na'Kuhl started messing with the 2270s, my character could've been canon for all we know, just sitting in the background doing generic Vulcan Blue Shirt things, while also talking about his Time Travel hypothesises, with his fellow background captains,
Would the Battle of Caleb IV still happen without Daniels, who knows?
To think that my main character was part of the Prime Timeline until Daniels and the Na'Kuhl started messing with the 2270s, my character could've been canon for all we know, just sitting in the background doing generic Vulcan Blue Shirt things, while also talking about his Time Travel hypothesises, with his fellow background captains,
Would the Battle of Caleb IV still happen without Daniels, who knows?
A lot of things in traditional Trek canon have been canonshafted by NuTrek events so "Prime" is actually an ever-moving target. STO is actually situated in a good place since it always was inclusive instead of revisionist and implies an acknowledgement that ripples of paradox from temporal events keep disturbing and branching things.
History in STO is different from history in Canon. Its doubtful Dr. Crusher will accept a demotion to Captain to command a Starship. Just as equally doubtful Geordi will accept a demotion to command the Galaxy class USS Challenger when apparently Galaxy class starships have largely been replaced.
Besides... that blurb about Dr. Crusher commanding the Pasteur is probably a nod to All Good Things, and as it was not confirmed in game by seeing her in command of that ship...
Well, canon is notoriously vague in Trek. Pretty much everything which was aired is considered canon (another way of saying this, is: "They don't care, as long as they're making money"). All Good Things was definitely officially aired, so likely canon. And our game? They just splice together a bit of everything from everything. And honestly, I don't mind at all. All that stuff about ppl noticing ship classes that allegedly didn't exist at the time, I never realize such things anyway. The Borg eating each other, and seeing the Queen with an open ribcage, that I did notice.
History in STO is different from history in Canon. Its doubtful Dr. Crusher will accept a demotion to Captain to command a Starship. Just as equally doubtful Geordi will accept a demotion to command the Galaxy class USS Challenger when apparently Galaxy class starships have largely been replaced.
Besides... that blurb about Dr. Crusher commanding the Pasteur is probably a nod to All Good Things, and as it was not confirmed in game by seeing her in command of that ship...
Well, canon is notoriously vague in Trek. Pretty much everything which was aired is considered canon (another way of saying this, is: "They don't care, as long as they're making money"). All Good Things was definitely officially aired, so likely canon. And our game? They just splice together a bit of everything from everything. And honestly, I don't mind at all. All that stuff about ppl noticing ship classes that allegedly didn't exist at the time, I never realize such things anyway. The Borg eating each other, and seeing the Queen with an open ribcage, that I did notice.
All Good Things was canon but the past and future stuff could have just as easily been either a spur timeline created by Q for the test (remember, none of the altered "past" stuff happened from the point of view of the rest of the crew), or some kind of Q continuum equivalent to a holodeck adventure (that Picard never knew was a simulation), as it could have been future reality.
Even if the future in the episode was real and part of "prime" at the time of the then-present part of the episode, it could have just been because Q needed it to be a certain way for the test and it took a different path entirely after Q no longer needed it to be that particular way.
whats with the whole cannibal thing though? early in Seven's arrival on Voyager, the Doctor told her that as she reasserted her humanity, she would need to eat and not regenerate gradually. ergo, borg do not eat
whats with the whole cannibal thing though? early in Seven's arrival on Voyager, the Doctor told her that as she reasserted her humanity, she would need to eat and not regenerate gradually. ergo, borg do not eat
Borg do not eat meals. That doesn't mean the bits they remove from new drones aren't absorbed into the nutrient supply for the cube, however; the organic parts of the drones need sustenance, after all.
I mean "pretty badly" is a little of an over statement can't you just "change a thing on a thing" and make a new thing that was recently created the new thing just saying maybe saying Hello to a new thing could be good as fare as someone goes maybe someone could appear earlier on in game and something could disappear in the 2800 arc if you get my "Hint"
Honestly the Queen wasn't even meant to be functioning properly so we can easily justify the "cannibalism" as a result of the corruption caused by the virus Janeway infected the collective with.
To think that my main character was part of the Prime Timeline until Daniels and the Na'Kuhl started messing with the 2270s, my character could've been canon for all we know, just sitting in the background doing generic Vulcan Blue Shirt things, while also talking about his Time Travel hypothesises, with his fellow background captains,
Would the Battle of Caleb IV still happen without Daniels, who knows?
A lot of things in traditional Trek canon have been canonshafted by NuTrek events so "Prime" is actually an ever-moving target. STO is actually situated in a good place since it always was inclusive instead of revisionist and implies an acknowledgement that ripples of paradox from temporal events keep disturbing and branching things.
Like "Trouble with the Tribbles" and "Trials and Tribble-ations", O'Brien and Bashir replaced some characters that got berated by Kirk.
Actually we have seen Borg eat and possibly eating another drone. In VOY Survival Instict. The four drones crash, are cut off from the Collective, they take one of the killed drones away from the crash site and in the next scene are shown cooking and eating "biomatter."
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The "viruses" introduced by Hugh and Icheb did not have the Borg resort to eating each other.
There's a difference. The Queen was never directly infected like she was in Endgame. Being basically a central processor, directly infecting the Queen probably had a much greater cascade effect than just drones.
Actually we have seen Borg eat and possibly eating another drone. In VOY Survival Instict. The four drones crash, are cut off from the Collective, they take one of the killed drones away from the crash site and in the next scene are shown cooking and eating "biomatter."
A lot of things in traditional Trek canon have been canonshafted by NuTrek events so "Prime" is actually an ever-moving target. STO is actually situated in a good place since it always was inclusive instead of revisionist and implies an acknowledgement that ripples of paradox from temporal events keep disturbing and branching things.
Like "Trouble with the Tribbles" and "Trials and Tribble-ations", O'Brien and Bashir replaced some characters that got berated by Kirk.
Or like how Enterprise takes place in a timeline after First Contact, since TNG and TOS both started in a timeline where the Borg didn't use time travel.
A lot of things in traditional Trek canon have been canonshafted by NuTrek events so "Prime" is actually an ever-moving target. STO is actually situated in a good place since it always was inclusive instead of revisionist and implies an acknowledgement that ripples of paradox from temporal events keep disturbing and branching things.
Like "Trouble with the Tribbles" and "Trials and Tribble-ations", O'Brien and Bashir replaced some characters that got berated by Kirk.
Or like how Enterprise takes place in a timeline after First Contact, since TNG and TOS both started in a timeline where the Borg didn't use time travel.
How would you know? It's not like the UESPA had any real idea what had gone on, or put out notices to the effect that everyone was to watch out for cyborg time travelers.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
> @spiritborn said: > Honestly I could see a way to harmonize those *spoiler* things without too much issues for either, granted it demands certain things to happen a certain way though those things are not out of the realms of possibility (sorry being ultra vague but that's best way I can say it without spoiling). > > Though I'm fine with STO being its own thing too.
I agree with this. I'm not gonna mention any spoilers here, so forgive me if any of this sounds kinda vague or generalized. But there are a select few ways that you can alter the series of events to align STO with PIC. Thinking outside the box here, I think the easiest way would be to alter the Timeline Chronology on the official STO Wiki (maybe "Path to 2409", if it's still kicking), particularly pertaining to events surrounding year 2408. That way you'd still keep the game within the realms of canon and really never even have to touch the game itself, spending unholy amounts of money for retconning.
Now, granted, I recognize there's that possibility of being at the mercy of Star Trek: Legacy (if they decide that becomes a thing). And it may end up being best to wait till we know what comes of that before any alterations can be done. But, depending on how things go, an altering of the chronology can potentially make for a very easy, and cost effective, fix.
I'm sorry if this sounds vague and a little too broad. I could definitely go into more detail about what, where, and when I'm talking about, but I guess that would have to be for another place and later time.
It has never been expressly stated exactly what the queen actually is or her specific function other than to "bring order to chaos." So what if she was directly infected? We have seen her completely destroyed several times. She cannot be all that critical to the functioning of the collective if she can be completely destroyed and the collective survives without her. Nor do we know if there was a queen on any of the other Borg ships that were infected in the past either.
Canon has shown on a number of occasions the Borg will isolate infected vessels and sever their link to the Collective. Why would this situation be any different? The Borg sphere that Voyager was inside was still operating and attacking them after the queen died.
Well... Picard implies that the Queen herself didn't die. And when I reference the Queen as a Central Processor, I'm referencing how all the Borg on the Enterprise-E died when she did in First Contact. And the Queen was infected IN Unimatrix 01, essentially the CORE of the Collective. An Individual Queen may not be as important to the overall Collective, but the Queen, infected by an anti-Borg pathogen, IN Unimatrix 01... rather unique circumstances. When she was infected, it pretty much disrupted EVERYTHING. Unimatrix 0 was able to liberate themselves, the Cooperative probably capitalized on the chaos, and the Collective itself not only lost their primary Unimatrix, they also pretty much lost their primary Transwarp Hub outright. One individual thing alone may not have been much of an issue for the Collective, but all of that together just... lets just say Snowball Effect.
Hugh's virus was never unleashed (Picard's refusal to do it was what got him admonished by Nacheyev during one of their meetings), so we don't actually KNOW if the Borg would've been able to isolate it before it spread.
And as far as I'm concerned, the difference between the Brunali pathogen and Janeway's is the same difference as a disease cropping up in some rural village out in the TRIBBLE-end of nowhere that no one ever really leaves, and is therefore easily containable, and someone releasing a slow-acting bioweapon at a nation's busiest international airport.
EDIT: In fact, I'm even going to use that analogy and go so far as to say the Brunali pathogen's failure is EXACTLY why Janeway's succeeded - not only did they release it into some random nobody cube instead of trying to release it somewhere actually important, but they made it take effect immediately, thus attracting the Collective's attention immediately too, whereas Janeway, having learned from the Brunali's failure, designed her pathogen to act slowly...doing nothing for several minutes (as we saw nothing actually happened for several minutes after her assimilation by the Queen) and giving it time to spread undetected.
By the time she realized what was happening, it was far too late to do anything about it.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
As I recall, they said something to the effect of "tastes like chicken" as it was an animal they had caught and cooked. I believe they were salvaging parts from the dead drones to create the beacon to signal the collective.
I scoured for a clip and yeah it's an animal, a very large cow or deer looking thing that tastes similar to a Bajoran bird apparently.
Still it means Borg can consume food if they can't regenerate which means the Queen using the biomatter of drones to survive isn't a massive stretch. Technically it's only cannibalism if any of the drones were of the same race as the Queen.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Besides, Borg regenerate inside their alcoves; they don't eat food.
Oh, but she WAS: https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/U.S.S._Pasteur
History in STO is different from history in Canon. Its doubtful Dr. Crusher will accept a demotion to Captain to command a Starship. Just as equally doubtful Geordi will accept a demotion to command the Galaxy class USS Challenger when apparently Galaxy class starships have largely been replaced.
Besides... that blurb about Dr. Crusher commanding the Pasteur is probably a nod to All Good Things, and as it was not confirmed in game by seeing her in command of that ship...
Would the Battle of Caleb IV still happen without Daniels, who knows?
A lot of things in traditional Trek canon have been canonshafted by NuTrek events so "Prime" is actually an ever-moving target. STO is actually situated in a good place since it always was inclusive instead of revisionist and implies an acknowledgement that ripples of paradox from temporal events keep disturbing and branching things.
Well, canon is notoriously vague in Trek.
All Good Things was canon but the past and future stuff could have just as easily been either a spur timeline created by Q for the test (remember, none of the altered "past" stuff happened from the point of view of the rest of the crew), or some kind of Q continuum equivalent to a holodeck adventure (that Picard never knew was a simulation), as it could have been future reality.
Even if the future in the episode was real and part of "prime" at the time of the then-present part of the episode, it could have just been because Q needed it to be a certain way for the test and it took a different path entirely after Q no longer needed it to be that particular way.
Like "Trouble with the Tribbles" and "Trials and Tribble-ations", O'Brien and Bashir replaced some characters that got berated by Kirk.
There's a difference. The Queen was never directly infected like she was in Endgame. Being basically a central processor, directly infecting the Queen probably had a much greater cascade effect than just drones.
That's what I was trying to reference earlier.
Or like how Enterprise takes place in a timeline after First Contact, since TNG and TOS both started in a timeline where the Borg didn't use time travel.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
> Honestly I could see a way to harmonize those *spoiler* things without too much issues for either, granted it demands certain things to happen a certain way though those things are not out of the realms of possibility (sorry being ultra vague but that's best way I can say it without spoiling).
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> Though I'm fine with STO being its own thing too.
I agree with this. I'm not gonna mention any spoilers here, so forgive me if any of this sounds kinda vague or generalized. But there are a select few ways that you can alter the series of events to align STO with PIC. Thinking outside the box here, I think the easiest way would be to alter the Timeline Chronology on the official STO Wiki (maybe "Path to 2409", if it's still kicking), particularly pertaining to events surrounding year 2408. That way you'd still keep the game within the realms of canon and really never even have to touch the game itself, spending unholy amounts of money for retconning.
Now, granted, I recognize there's that possibility of being at the mercy of Star Trek: Legacy (if they decide that becomes a thing). And it may end up being best to wait till we know what comes of that before any alterations can be done. But, depending on how things go, an altering of the chronology can potentially make for a very easy, and cost effective, fix.
I'm sorry if this sounds vague and a little too broad. I could definitely go into more detail about what, where, and when I'm talking about, but I guess that would have to be for another place and later time.
Well... Picard implies that the Queen herself didn't die. And when I reference the Queen as a Central Processor, I'm referencing how all the Borg on the Enterprise-E died when she did in First Contact. And the Queen was infected IN Unimatrix 01, essentially the CORE of the Collective. An Individual Queen may not be as important to the overall Collective, but the Queen, infected by an anti-Borg pathogen, IN Unimatrix 01... rather unique circumstances. When she was infected, it pretty much disrupted EVERYTHING. Unimatrix 0 was able to liberate themselves, the Cooperative probably capitalized on the chaos, and the Collective itself not only lost their primary Unimatrix, they also pretty much lost their primary Transwarp Hub outright. One individual thing alone may not have been much of an issue for the Collective, but all of that together just... lets just say Snowball Effect.
And as far as I'm concerned, the difference between the Brunali pathogen and Janeway's is the same difference as a disease cropping up in some rural village out in the TRIBBLE-end of nowhere that no one ever really leaves, and is therefore easily containable, and someone releasing a slow-acting bioweapon at a nation's busiest international airport.
EDIT: In fact, I'm even going to use that analogy and go so far as to say the Brunali pathogen's failure is EXACTLY why Janeway's succeeded - not only did they release it into some random nobody cube instead of trying to release it somewhere actually important, but they made it take effect immediately, thus attracting the Collective's attention immediately too, whereas Janeway, having learned from the Brunali's failure, designed her pathogen to act slowly...doing nothing for several minutes (as we saw nothing actually happened for several minutes after her assimilation by the Queen) and giving it time to spread undetected.
By the time she realized what was happening, it was far too late to do anything about it.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I scoured for a clip and yeah it's an animal, a very large cow or deer looking thing that tastes similar to a Bajoran bird apparently.
Still it means Borg can consume food if they can't regenerate which means the Queen using the biomatter of drones to survive isn't a massive stretch. Technically it's only cannibalism if any of the drones were of the same race as the Queen.