Look, the game has given the on-screen universe multiple ships near 10 years before they existed in the game. How many games have inspired something, anything, in Star Trek canon......pretty much ONLY this game. It's sort of life imitating art imitating life.
This game has existed and been added to longer than ANY one series ran, and it has more episodes than ANY one series TNG+Picard doesn't count together because it had a huge break! I'm not going to get into an arguement over the semantics of that.
Unless CBS demand STO's history be changed to match canon, it is not, nor does it need to happen in-game. Leave it be! CBS might now give Cryptic more latitude in character usage and storylines now, but erasing events that happened on screen prior to the game being launched because some folk didn't like it is folly. I mean personally, I'd get rid of ALL player ships that are from the future in STO on grounds of the Temporal Prime Directive (except Temporal starships that look like they belong in the current era), but it ain't gonna happen. Again, just let it be and move onwards and upwards.
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A lot can happen in 10 years. Granted we've had the two different portrayals of Seven of Nine for a while that's just a character inconsistency but tell me they don't happen in the shows.
We technically have a built in explanation for Seven's inconsistency. First time we see her is during Delta Rising. That version is the version we see in Voyager. We don't see her again until Measure of Morality, sometime after the Iconian War, and its her Picard incarnation who is a member of the Fenris Rangers.
The easiest way to explain that is actually IN the Iconian War. The mission Butterfly. We tried Temporal Shenanigans to deal with the Iconians to disasterous effect, forcing us to try and restore the timeline. But since there's no time to judge what will change... there's no telling what changed in the timeline from before Butterfly. So... we can just say that Seven's more emotional, Fenris Ranger incarnation is a result of the episode Butterfly. We just "never noticed" because that is the version of Seven we "have always known".
The Devs didn't change Delta Rising Seven because they wanted us to be able to interact with BOTH versions of her. Will they make a mission where we see Fenris Seven in a Starfleet Uniform? Maybe. Perhaps by the time of STO she's more of a reservist like Riker was and has been working with the Fenris Rangers as a bit of a liason between them and Starfleet.
STO was never Prime Timeline. Yea we had things adopted into Canon,.
Thats not true at all. It absolutely was prime timeline. To the point the original sto site explicitly stated it was in no uncertain terms. That doesn't require the game to be canon in and of itself
STO was never Prime Timeline. Yea we had things adopted into Canon,.
Thats not true at all. It absolutely was prime timeline. To the point the original sto site explicitly stated it was in no uncertain terms. That doesn't require the game to be canon in and of itself
The Prime Timeline is the Canon one, everything in the shows is all part of the Prime Timeline,
If I was in charge of the shows, I'd write an entire show season where the Romulan villians restore their planet with time travel and I would still implement STO's Romulan Republic as a bunch of rebels that would occasionally ally with Starfleet, I'll have the Republic be a group of Anti-Elachi and Anti-Tal Shiar warriors and have their group be the ones who moved to Vulcan while True Romulans try to rebuild their empire with the Klingons,
also have another season where the Kzinti and STO's Ferasans team up to destroy the Federation, only for the Kzinti to backstab the more honorable Ferasans.
A lot can happen in 10 years. Granted we've had the two different portrayals of Seven of Nine for a while that's just a character inconsistency but tell me they don't happen in the shows.
We technically have a built in explanation for Seven's inconsistency. First time we see her is during Delta Rising. That version is the version we see in Voyager. We don't see her again until Measure of Morality, sometime after the Iconian War, and its her Picard incarnation who is a member of the Fenris Rangers.
The easiest way to explain that is actually IN the Iconian War. The mission Butterfly. We tried Temporal Shenanigans to deal with the Iconians to disasterous effect, forcing us to try and restore the timeline. But since there's no time to judge what will change... there's no telling what changed in the timeline from before Butterfly. So... we can just say that Seven's more emotional, Fenris Ranger incarnation is a result of the episode Butterfly. We just "never noticed" because that is the version of Seven we "have always known".
The Devs didn't change Delta Rising Seven because they wanted us to be able to interact with BOTH versions of her. Will they make a mission where we see Fenris Seven in a Starfleet Uniform? Maybe. Perhaps by the time of STO she's more of a reservist like Riker was and has been working with the Fenris Rangers as a bit of a liason between them and Starfleet.
See, hope is not lost. Look at how easy you made that make sense. All is possible.
"Backstabbing" isn't really a thing for kzinti. Then again, neither is "alliance" - as far as a kzin is concerned, you're either a worthy opponent or a meal. It wasn't until after the Fourth Man-Kzin War that the kzinti developed diplomats, a position given as a sinecure to allow a warrior who's too old to fight to retain his name or a possible way for a young kzin to earn one (the assistance chosen by the puppeteer Nessus was an aide whose title translated directly into Interworld as "Speaker-To-Animals", and when as a result of his adventures in Ringworld he earned a name he chose "Chmeee").
And why do you want to rewrite the Prime timeline like that? Do you want the TVA? Because that's how you get the TVA.
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Thats not true at all. It absolutely was prime timeline. To the point the original sto site explicitly stated it was in no uncertain terms. That doesn't require the game to be canon in and of itself
The IP holders have not declared STO to be Canon. They have adopted certain elements into Canon, but the events of the game itself are not. Therefor its pretty much a branched off timeline. At the time the game was created there was nothing in Canon for the 25th Century, therefor it was far easier to claim its Prime Timeline. Now with Picard, that even goes INTO the 25th Century, we have some events that contradict STO as being Prime Timeline.
Its just like all the other Prime Timeline games. Yea they are in that setting, but those events are NOT Canon. The Borg Invasion in Star Trek Armada II never happened in Canon, the Warden Conspiracy from Star Trek Away Team never happened in Canon, The Hazard Team from Star Trek Voyager Elite Force was never created in Canon...
Unless the IP holder declares something to be Canon, its Beta Canon at best. Not on screen Alpha Canon. And with the events of all three seasons of Picard... STO's timeline no longer lines up with the Prime Timeline in a way that can easily be rectified without having to rewrite EVERYTHING. STO is its own thing. And that's fine. It doesn't need to conform to still be enjoyable. If more elements are adopted into Canon, great! But STO shouldn't have to bend over backwards to conform with Canon as new shows set in the same time period as STO are made, as they will INSTANTLY conflict with the currently established story of STO.
STO was never Prime Timeline. Yea we had things adopted into Canon,.
Thats not true at all. It absolutely was prime timeline. To the point the original sto site explicitly stated it was in no uncertain terms. That doesn't require the game to be canon in and of itself
The Prime Timeline is the Canon one, everything in the shows is all part of the Prime Timeline,
If I was in charge of the shows, I'd write an entire show season where the Romulan villians restore their planet with time travel and I would still implement STO's Romulan Republic as a bunch of rebels that would occasionally ally with Starfleet, I'll have the Republic be a group of Anti-Elachi and Anti-Tal Shiar warriors and have their group be the ones who moved to Vulcan while True Romulans try to rebuild their empire with the Klingons,
also have another season where the Kzinti and STO's Ferasans team up to destroy the Federation, only for the Kzinti to backstab the more honorable Ferasans.
that's actually impossible. events in each of picard's seasons are incompatible with the other season
Kind of ignoring some of the posts here to avoid spoilers... but if STO is now its own thing (as it always should have been) does that mean we can restore The Path to 2409 as the definitive course of events leading up to STO? S1 of Picard muddled things a bit.
STO was never Prime Timeline. Yea we had things adopted into Canon,.
Thats not true at all. It absolutely was prime timeline. To the point the original sto site explicitly stated it was in no uncertain terms. That doesn't require the game to be canon in and of itself
The Prime Timeline is the Canon one, everything in the shows is all part of the Prime Timeline,
If I was in charge of the shows, I'd write an entire show season where the Romulan villians restore their planet with time travel and I would still implement STO's Romulan Republic as a bunch of rebels that would occasionally ally with Starfleet, I'll have the Republic be a group of Anti-Elachi and Anti-Tal Shiar warriors and have their group be the ones who moved to Vulcan while True Romulans try to rebuild their empire with the Klingons,
also have another season where the Kzinti and STO's Ferasans team up to destroy the Federation, only for the Kzinti to backstab the more honorable Ferasans.
that's actually impossible. events in each of picard's seasons are incompatible with the other season
Not really. S1 took place after anything else ever filmed and had no historical references, so there was nothing to contradict. S2 involved some alt-u and timey-wimey stuff; the only "incompatibility" would appear to be between Picard's actual memories and what he told everyone else. (And we all know how open and emotional Jean-Luc is with everyone...) S3 again takes us into the future; it's not compatible with STO, but that only means that STO isn't Prime any more, which I can live with.
All we'd need is an STO story that explains that the STO Universe is one of several Convergence Points across the Omniverse that keep the whole thing rolling along.
From that point just leave it a mystery because no further explanation will be satisfying.
STO was never Prime Timeline. Yea we had things adopted into Canon,.
Thats not true at all. It absolutely was prime timeline. To the point the original sto site explicitly stated it was in no uncertain terms. That doesn't require the game to be canon in and of itself
The Prime Timeline is the Canon one, everything in the shows is all part of the Prime Timeline,
If I was in charge of the shows, I'd write an entire show season where the Romulan villians restore their planet with time travel and I would still implement STO's Romulan Republic as a bunch of rebels that would occasionally ally with Starfleet, I'll have the Republic be a group of Anti-Elachi and Anti-Tal Shiar warriors and have their group be the ones who moved to Vulcan while True Romulans try to rebuild their empire with the Klingons,
also have another season where the Kzinti and STO's Ferasans team up to destroy the Federation, only for the Kzinti to backstab the more honorable Ferasans.
that's actually impossible. events in each of picard's seasons are incompatible with the other season
Not really. S1 took place after anything else ever filmed and had no historical references, so there was nothing to contradict. S2 involved some alt-u and timey-wimey stuff; the only "incompatibility" would appear to be between Picard's actual memories and what he told everyone else. (And we all know how open and emotional Jean-Luc is with everyone...) S3 again takes us into the future; it's not compatible with STO, but that only means that STO isn't Prime any more, which I can live with.
season 3 and season 2 are not compatible, since the queen changed from the scientist chick in S2 to the old queen in S3.
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season 3 and season 2 are not compatible, since the queen changed from the scientist chick in S2 to the old queen in S3.
Two different factions of Borg. Jurati's got the more friendly faction. The Queen in s3 is what's left of the Original, hostile faction that got decimated in Voyager's series finale.
Jurati's Borg were left guarding a mystery transwarp corridor somewhere out there at the end of season 2. OldQueen, the one who's eating her own followers to stay alive (literally), only has the one cube left, and she had to hide it in Jupiter's Great Red Spot to avoid Starfleet.
Which actually makes me wonder about The Artifact...I'm wondering if it wasn't in fact the Neurolytic Pathogen that caused that Submatrix Collapse and severed its connection to the Collective and Emo Zhat TRIBBLE's assimilation just happened to coincide with it - because I flat-out refuse to believe ANY emotional surge, no matter how strong, could overwhelm a Hive Mind that's had at least a millennium of practice suppressing individual emotion.
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I wonder if bulk of the collective is actually out there but they disconnected the cannibal queen from the hive mind to protect it and thus it seem to the Queen that there was no one there.
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The old Collective is no more. The Pathogen used by Future Janeway shattered it. The Queen, having been defeated but not killed, was left in isolation and in a weakened state. Like a drug addict, she needed to try and restore what she lost. And in the decades since her defeat, her isolation also left her vindictive, something the Borg never knew. She is basically going through withdrawl and has become an emotional entity in need of revenge.
We've seen how some drones behave when disconnected. It is like a drug. Now imagine a Queen, an entity that seems to show more personality and, to a degree, more emotion and independence, cut off cold turkey. It must be way worse for a Queen to be disconnected than a drone. So bad that she'd be willing to canabalize drones to survive herself for revenge.
This was the final defeat of the old Collective. What remains is separate factions that may very well become something new and perhaps even more friendly. Less "resistance is futile" and more "we have a responsibility" or something.
Still gotta wonder where this particular incarnation of the Queen even came from, since the last time we saw a Kriege-type Queen, she was in pieces on the floor of an exploding Unicomplex...obviously that body was vaporized (and I imagine that any backups would've also been lost with the Unicomplex) but the personality survived, so...where did she get the new body from?
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
When we saw that happen before, there was still a Borg Collective. Maybe you need to go watch the VOY finale again, Val.
And as for cannibalization - when, exactly, have we ever seen the Collective give a rat's tribble about individuals? They're about the Collective, with the Queen directing. When the Collective has been shattered, and only the Queen is left as a truly sapient entity, the drones are nothing more than a means to survival - just as they always have been.
Methinks you believed all that Borg propaganda about how they were the "perfect form of life".
Still gotta wonder where this particular incarnation of the Queen even came from, since the last time we saw a Kriege-type Queen, she was in pieces on the floor of an exploding Unicomplex...obviously that body was vaporized (and I imagine that any backups would've also been lost with the Unicomplex) but the personality survived, so...where did she get the new body from?
I would not assume that the writers for Picard even saw the episodes you are referencing here. There are enough inconsistencies with the writing that paint a quite clear picture of them only having a very cursory knowledge of Star Trek lore.
It is truly sad to see the Borg having been reduced to being the all too generic mustache twirling heavy of the week bent on revenge. For a race whose supposed greatest strength is the ability to adapt, regenerate and overcome, they certainly are not very good at it at all.
The behind-the-scenes stuff they sometimes show as part of the series spin-up hype (this particular one was for the DSC series premier) and nowadays routinely get put in the "supplementary media" stuff on the DVDs seems to support that. Of all the people they interviewed most of them claimed to have disliked (or never seen) the various traditional Trek series (and not a single one liked TOS, which seems odd considering DSC was supposed to be set in the gap between The Cage and TOS), a lot of them who said they saw at least some Trek said they just liked (or only saw) the movies, and a couple said they played Star Trek games a bit but not much else Trekwise.
The costume designer said she was a big fan of TNG, but she was one of the very few who admitted to being any kind of actual Trek fan, the rest mostly came across as thinking they were too cool for Trek.
When we saw that happen before, there was still a Borg Collective. Maybe you need to go watch the VOY finale again, Val.
And as for cannibalization - when, exactly, have we ever seen the Collective give a rat's tribble about individuals? They're about the Collective, with the Queen directing. When the Collective has been shattered, and only the Queen is left as a truly sapient entity, the drones are nothing more than a means to survival - just as they always have been.
Methinks you believed all that Borg propaganda about how they were the "perfect form of life".
That is true too, though more so for the homogenous collective as presented in TNG before the TNG-crew movies and VOY. What made the Borg so scary back then was that there was no central command to take the fight to, it was like trying to machine gun an ocean tide into backing off.
When have we ever seen Borg drones eating other drones before? I understand the writers probably thought having her resort to cannibalizing her drones made her plight sound more desperate and dramatic, but it does not follow what has long been established in canon.
Wasn't there that episode of Voyager where Seven was explaining about the one time she was disconnected with others and they had to survive?
The Borg were known to salvage useful parts from fallen drones, that scavenging behaviour was shown during the first encounter
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-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Why are we assuming 'cannibalize' is being used literally here? Was it specifically mentioned when the crew ran across those dead Borg that they were eaten? Destroyed or otherwise irrecoverable military vehicles get cannibalized for parts all the time, yet I seriously doubt a tank has ever literally eaten another for its parts. Even the living machine Cybertronians don't do that - not that I'm aware of, at least. Cannibalize in this case might've just meant those drones were kept wired up to the cube by the Queen overriding their regeneration cycles (and potentially also preventing them from addressing basic needs since even if nanoprobes can create whatever nutrients a drone needs, they can't create it out of thin air - they either need energy or raw material to work with), to keep it functioning enough to allow their plan to be carried out (since we've seen that when the entire crew of a Borg vessel enters a regenerative state, they can somehow magically 'will' the ship to repair itself) - though, yes, they could still have just topped up their numbers at some point, or if they really didn't want to arouse even the TINIEST bit of suspicion, have the Changelings do a kidnapping run on some colony out in the TRIBBLE-end of nowhere.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
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A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Worf specifically says "the necrotic tissue is being cannibalized. Consumed." They are not talking about the mechanical parts being stripped for re-use. They are talking about the biological flesh being eaten.
Since when has Worf ever been know for his medical or scientific accuracy?
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This game has existed and been added to longer than ANY one series ran, and it has more episodes than ANY one series TNG+Picard doesn't count together because it had a huge break! I'm not going to get into an arguement over the semantics of that.
Unless CBS demand STO's history be changed to match canon, it is not, nor does it need to happen in-game. Leave it be! CBS might now give Cryptic more latitude in character usage and storylines now, but erasing events that happened on screen prior to the game being launched because some folk didn't like it is folly. I mean personally, I'd get rid of ALL player ships that are from the future in STO on grounds of the Temporal Prime Directive (except Temporal starships that look like they belong in the current era), but it ain't gonna happen. Again, just let it be and move onwards and upwards.
We technically have a built in explanation for Seven's inconsistency. First time we see her is during Delta Rising. That version is the version we see in Voyager. We don't see her again until Measure of Morality, sometime after the Iconian War, and its her Picard incarnation who is a member of the Fenris Rangers.
The easiest way to explain that is actually IN the Iconian War. The mission Butterfly. We tried Temporal Shenanigans to deal with the Iconians to disasterous effect, forcing us to try and restore the timeline. But since there's no time to judge what will change... there's no telling what changed in the timeline from before Butterfly. So... we can just say that Seven's more emotional, Fenris Ranger incarnation is a result of the episode Butterfly. We just "never noticed" because that is the version of Seven we "have always known".
The Devs didn't change Delta Rising Seven because they wanted us to be able to interact with BOTH versions of her. Will they make a mission where we see Fenris Seven in a Starfleet Uniform? Maybe. Perhaps by the time of STO she's more of a reservist like Riker was and has been working with the Fenris Rangers as a bit of a liason between them and Starfleet.
Thats not true at all. It absolutely was prime timeline. To the point the original sto site explicitly stated it was in no uncertain terms. That doesn't require the game to be canon in and of itself
The Prime Timeline is the Canon one, everything in the shows is all part of the Prime Timeline,
If I was in charge of the shows, I'd write an entire show season where the Romulan villians restore their planet with time travel and I would still implement STO's Romulan Republic as a bunch of rebels that would occasionally ally with Starfleet, I'll have the Republic be a group of Anti-Elachi and Anti-Tal Shiar warriors and have their group be the ones who moved to Vulcan while True Romulans try to rebuild their empire with the Klingons,
also have another season where the Kzinti and STO's Ferasans team up to destroy the Federation, only for the Kzinti to backstab the more honorable Ferasans.
See, hope is not lost. Look at how easy you made that make sense. All is possible.
And why do you want to rewrite the Prime timeline like that? Do you want the TVA? Because that's how you get the TVA.
The IP holders have not declared STO to be Canon. They have adopted certain elements into Canon, but the events of the game itself are not. Therefor its pretty much a branched off timeline. At the time the game was created there was nothing in Canon for the 25th Century, therefor it was far easier to claim its Prime Timeline. Now with Picard, that even goes INTO the 25th Century, we have some events that contradict STO as being Prime Timeline.
Its just like all the other Prime Timeline games. Yea they are in that setting, but those events are NOT Canon. The Borg Invasion in Star Trek Armada II never happened in Canon, the Warden Conspiracy from Star Trek Away Team never happened in Canon, The Hazard Team from Star Trek Voyager Elite Force was never created in Canon...
Unless the IP holder declares something to be Canon, its Beta Canon at best. Not on screen Alpha Canon. And with the events of all three seasons of Picard... STO's timeline no longer lines up with the Prime Timeline in a way that can easily be rectified without having to rewrite EVERYTHING. STO is its own thing. And that's fine. It doesn't need to conform to still be enjoyable. If more elements are adopted into Canon, great! But STO shouldn't have to bend over backwards to conform with Canon as new shows set in the same time period as STO are made, as they will INSTANTLY conflict with the currently established story of STO.
that's actually impossible. events in each of picard's seasons are incompatible with the other season
You bite your tongue
From that point just leave it a mystery because no further explanation will be satisfying.
season 3 and season 2 are not compatible, since the queen changed from the scientist chick in S2 to the old queen in S3.
Two different factions of Borg. Jurati's got the more friendly faction. The Queen in s3 is what's left of the Original, hostile faction that got decimated in Voyager's series finale.
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We've seen how some drones behave when disconnected. It is like a drug. Now imagine a Queen, an entity that seems to show more personality and, to a degree, more emotion and independence, cut off cold turkey. It must be way worse for a Queen to be disconnected than a drone. So bad that she'd be willing to canabalize drones to survive herself for revenge.
This was the final defeat of the old Collective. What remains is separate factions that may very well become something new and perhaps even more friendly. Less "resistance is futile" and more "we have a responsibility" or something.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
And as for cannibalization - when, exactly, have we ever seen the Collective give a rat's tribble about individuals? They're about the Collective, with the Queen directing. When the Collective has been shattered, and only the Queen is left as a truly sapient entity, the drones are nothing more than a means to survival - just as they always have been.
Methinks you believed all that Borg propaganda about how they were the "perfect form of life".
The behind-the-scenes stuff they sometimes show as part of the series spin-up hype (this particular one was for the DSC series premier) and nowadays routinely get put in the "supplementary media" stuff on the DVDs seems to support that. Of all the people they interviewed most of them claimed to have disliked (or never seen) the various traditional Trek series (and not a single one liked TOS, which seems odd considering DSC was supposed to be set in the gap between The Cage and TOS), a lot of them who said they saw at least some Trek said they just liked (or only saw) the movies, and a couple said they played Star Trek games a bit but not much else Trekwise.
The costume designer said she was a big fan of TNG, but she was one of the very few who admitted to being any kind of actual Trek fan, the rest mostly came across as thinking they were too cool for Trek.
That is true too, though more so for the homogenous collective as presented in TNG before the TNG-crew movies and VOY. What made the Borg so scary back then was that there was no central command to take the fight to, it was like trying to machine gun an ocean tide into backing off.
Wasn't there that episode of Voyager where Seven was explaining about the one time she was disconnected with others and they had to survive?
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
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A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
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