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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 8,353 Arc User
    "Insult?" The hyperbole is strong with this one. That, or you're overly sensitive to be actually insulted. But I do agree that Lobi items should be account unlocks.

    Yeah, while I agree that given the cost of lobi items it would be nice to have them account bound.. I can't honestly say I have ever felt offended by it. :lol:
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  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 4,742 Arc User
    asha wrote: »
    > @echatty said:
    > Phoenix upgrades are account-wide. You can store them in your account bank.


    Havana okay. Because last year when there was 2 Phoenix events, I couldn't do it myself.
    I guess it was a bug....

    I've been storing the upgrades in my acct bank for several years now. The tokens to get them are also acct bound, so you can shoot them to others on your acct through the acct bank.
    Now a LTS and loving it.

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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 7,618 Arc User
    asha wrote: »
    > @echatty said:
    > Phoenix upgrades are account-wide. You can store them in your account bank.

    Havana okay. Because last year when there was 2 Phoenix events, I couldn't do it myself.
    I guess it was a bug....

    Odd, I've never missed a Phoenix event and I've also always stored the tokens and the upgrades in my account bank.

    You might have been doing something like trying to swap an existing item in the account bank with a Phoenix tech upgrade stack in your R&D tab. That won't work because it would mean moving the other item into your R&D tab. You'd need to do it in 2 steps: move the banked item into regular inventory, then move the tokens from the R&D tab to the now empty slot in the bank.
  • philexanphilexan Member Posts: 32 Arc User
    I'm ok with ships being "bound to character", but what I really would like is having traits and consoles be "account unlocked". Just my 2 cents anyway.
  • jtoney3448jtoney3448 Member Posts: 616 Arc User
    edited November 2019
    Lockbox ships/Lobi and phoenix ships should have always been account wide. Traits/ship traits should be as well. Stuff that is super super low drop or insane cost to get should be account wide. I mean if someone is going to go THAT far to pay into your business, kinda least you could do. It encourages the customer to go for more ships as each ship now has a bigger bang for buck.

    Single character unlock - Short term revenue plan. Account wide - Long term revenue plan. At least thats how I see it. Reason I never went after the super expensive billion credit ships, could not justify the cost of that for a single character. Account wide that might change things.
  • lexusk19lexusk19 Member Posts: 1,358 Arc User
    Im not making any more characters until I know for sure. If they do make it all account wide, im making a new Fed the moment I can. Will be my new main!
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  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    They could use account unlocks as a dangly carrot LTS perk.
  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 871 Arc User
    They could use account unlocks as a dangly carrot LTS perk.

    That is an interesting idea. One of the frequent theories is that LTS hurts Cryptic in the long run by denying them sub payments. This however, incentivizes LTS to invest in lobi/lockbox ships in ways they may not do right now because they are per character unlocks.
  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,374 Arc User
    That is an interesting idea. One of the frequent theories is that LTS hurts Cryptic in the long run by denying them sub payments. This however, incentivizes LTS to invest in lobi/lockbox ships in ways they may not do right now because they are per character unlocks.

    There are no more sub payments.

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  • noemiecarnesirnoemiecarnesir Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited November 2019
    I am ok for prize account unlock.
    But what happen for the EC exchange with LB ship?
  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    The account market will be affected a bit since folk won't need to buy multiples for an account if they want a ship.

    But at the same time more folk might look into buying one if they are account unlocks.
  • calexistacalexista Member Posts: 95 Arc User
    Over the 8 or so years I have played I have spent a good chunk of money when I could on the Old Starter and expansion packs, plus various Cstore ships, character slots and a few months of sub time in there. Think I have only bought something like 50 keys total over that time period but never got anything better than the old Tier 5 Mirror ships from the lock boxes. Have a stockpile of the Mirror ship boxes stashed away on 1 toon for when I get the urge to unlock the mirror materials on some of the T5-U and T6 versions of those ships.

    I did get enough Lobi to pickup the Tier 5 Jem'Hadar Dreadnought carrier (So that My Romulan would have a carrier to fly), and upgrade the Jem'hadar space set when it needed the lobi to get the Mk XII shortly after the Romulan expansion went live. Then a couple weeks ago I finally bought the Ferngi D'Kora for my Ferengi just for the reason of it being the canon Racial ship.

    The biggest thing that keeps me from bothering with the Lobi and Lockbox ships is that they are not account wide unlocks. If they were account wide I would be opening more of the lockboxes but with 20-30 toons per account I don't even bother with Fleet versions of ships or Cstore B.Offs due to them being 1 off items instead of an unlock.

    Fleet versions of select/Favorite ships that I have the 1 Module discounted cost (ie Risian Pilot Corvette, Orion Blackguard, Alita Strike Wing) and that is just due to the getting fleet modules from Tier 6 reputations and really liking the non-fleet version of those ships.

    Have bought the Steam Starter, Romulus Starter, Legacy of Romulus, Delta Rising Operations, Temporal Starter, Gamma Vanguard Starter, Discovery Starter, Neverwinter Hero of the North pack for the Andorian Light Escort, All the Small Craft, and an extra 14 Fed Ships, 10 KDF (including all 5 Orion Original ships), and 2 Romulan Warbirds. So I am not afraid to spend money when I can for account wide purchases just very hesitant to spend the money on single use items.
  • w00qw00q Member Posts: 112 Arc User
    Amen.
    calexista wrote: »
    ...I am not afraid to spend money when I can for account wide purchases just very hesitant to spend the money on single use items.
  • captaincelestialcaptaincelestial Member Posts: 1,329 Arc User
    I hope that this is a retroactive.

    But if it is, does it go by if you actively have the lockbox/Phoenix ship in your Active/Dry Dock slot, or does it go by the Admiralty card if you have deleted that ship to make room for other ships?

  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 10,268 Arc User
    You know, I just thought that if they make those Ships Account-wide unlocks, what will that do about them being able to be put on the Exchange? We've never had Account-wide Ships on the Exchange.
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  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    The number of multiple purchases on a single account would vanish but more folk would likely be interested in an account based ship so probably not that much of an impact. might even give the prices a bump on some of the gamblebox ships.
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 4,911 Arc User
    The number of multiple purchases on a single account would vanish but more folk would likely be interested in an account based ship so probably not that much of an impact. might even give the prices a bump on some of the gamblebox ships.

    I've always wondered how many people actually purchase multiple copies of the same ship. I personally have never even considered it, the few lockbox, lobi, and promo ships I own I only have a single copy of for a specific character due to the insane prices.
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  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    I have a 2nd t'laru mainly because its the only romulan carrier.

    But since getting it I've held off the actual unboxing as I don't know if I want to have it on an LTS account alt, punt it across to my f2p account (although I'd have to then get a scimitard for the drone unlock) or drop it back on the exchange at a loss.
  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,028 Bug Hunter
    I am ok for prize account unlock.
    But what happen for the EC exchange with LB ship?

    I honestly believe we'd likely see a BLEND.

    By that you'd still see the Premier Lockbox Ships / Epic Ships equivalent being single character; perhaps in future a few secondary Very Rare Ships being Account-Wide depending on the Box. I suspect the Lobi ships however will likely remain single character.

    Thought it's possible Phoenix Ships in future may be Account-Wide...

    Got to wait and see what happens! <3
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 10,268 Arc User
    Check out the Vizier in Mudd's Market if you want to see how this Account-wide Ship stuff will turn out.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 4,911 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    Check out the Vizier in Mudd's Market if you want to see how this Account-wide Ship stuff will turn out.

    Oh for the love of God, they made that available IN-GAME now!?! I missed that announcement somehow, but I suppose the four WizKids promo ships I've been sitting on are truly worthless now? To say that this pisses me off is a gross understatement, but accurately expressing my opinion on this would be certain to get me banned.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 34,723 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    Check out the Vizier in Mudd's Market if you want to see how this Account-wide Ship stuff will turn out.

    Oh for the love of God, they made that available IN-GAME now!?! I missed that announcement somehow, but I suppose the four WizKids promo ships I've been sitting on are truly worthless now? To say that this pisses me off is a gross understatement, but accurately expressing my opinion on this would be certain to get me banned.
    You can probably get at least 35$ for them. The Vizier is NOT cheap in the Mudd store.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 49,317 Arc User
    $5 more than a normal T6. And honestly why after all this time are you STILL sitting on 4 of them evilmark? Trying to wait for the EBay prices to go up?
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 1,070 Arc User
    edited November 2019
    I may be missing something, but I don't see what makes the ship worth more than a regular T6. I mean, the gas stuff is unusual but it is still just a T6 Sovereign variant.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,685 Arc User
    I may be missing something, but I don't see what makes the ship worth more than a regular T6. I mean, the gas stuff is unusual but it is still just a T6 Sovereign variant.
    The price is pretty much arbitrary, but so was the decision to make it a special promo item. If people didn't jump on the promo, they're basically paying a late fee.

    Alternate hull material, alternate bridge officer configuration and the console is what it has too offer.
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  • phoenix841phoenix841 Member Posts: 409 Arc User
    Out of hundreds of phoenix boxes I have only ever gotten one UR token, and I have been holding onto it since I have several possible uses for it (like for instance getting the Risan cruiser for the console that goes with the one from the latest summer event ship) but I have yet to decide which single character could use it best.

    Don't get the Risian cruiser, at least yet.
    Wait for the 2020 summer event. Odds are it will be the T6 version of that cruiser, with the appropriate upgraded console.

    For the Vizier, I'm not opposed to it being 3500Z. It's a "special" ship. At least now it's acquirable without dealing with scalpers that jack up the WizKids item price. Now it's just Cryptic jacking up the price. :D

    Back on topic, if Lobi/Lockbox/Promo/Phoenix ships were account unlocks, I'd actually play that game.
    As it is, I've only ever opened a single lockbox ship, and it was the Marauder I got from the exchange for dirt cheap for my Ferengi to complete the console set.
    No other ship is worth spending even 1 EC on for a single character unlock for me.
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  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    I've a niggly suspicion that if the mugs markup thing is deemed a success by the bean counters that it will become the replacement for giving access to items that would otherwise end up in phoenix. The dil exchange looks like it's set to stagnate beyond the abilities of the phoenix boxes to make a dent without something resembling a decent lure.

    Account unlocks might be that lure BUT to be honest I doubt it'd help much while the top end tokens remain as rare to get as they are.
  • dareaudareau Member Posts: 2,384 Arc User
    The number of multiple purchases on a single account would vanish but more folk would likely be interested in an account based ship so probably not that much of an impact. might even give the prices a bump on some of the gamblebox ships.

    I've always wondered how many people actually purchase multiple copies of the same ship. I personally have never even considered it, the few lockbox, lobi, and promo ships I own I only have a single copy of for a specific character due to the insane prices.

    Only two that I can think of that really drew that much love was the Tuffli and D'Kora…

    Everything else tends to be a "one commander at a time" thing... (Though I've been somewhat upset that my Recluse / Orb Weaver set is still "stuck" on my old main that got replaced with ToS characters...)
    Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...

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