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thegrandnagus1
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The title of this thread was not meant to be misleading, there simply was not enough room to fit the entire quote:
From tonight's Ten Forward Weekly:
https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/dpfm75/ten_forward_weekly_30102019_memories_of_dst/
"We are looking into the data for making lock box and phoenix stuff account wide but don't have anything to announce."
From tonight's Ten Forward Weekly:
https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/dpfm75/ten_forward_weekly_30102019_memories_of_dst/
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Yep. My pessimistic/realistic side would say there is no chance in hell they would ever do this. But the fact that they are actually making statements like this makes me think they actually might.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
It would be nice, but not gonna get my hopes up too much.
As low as the odds are for the UR and Epic, making those ships account-wide is a reasonable change.
For everything else, VR drop often enough that I'm fine with them being per-character.
Lock Box / R&D pack:
That would be a nice increase in value, but wouldn't affect me that much since I want every captain to have a different theme and fly a different ship.
I would benefit when a ship happens to have a trait that could be useful to another captain, like "Unstable Anomalies" on my Paradox.
You've bought the same lock box ship multiple times? If not, what will you lose? Nothing.
This is to make a lock box ship an account wide unlock, not to move it to the C-Store.
Quite likely and would be a welcome change, especially with all those emotes/pets.
Lockbox?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The consoles and traits perhaps but the ships? HAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Doing so could generate more cash for them, as people who wouldn't partake before, may do so now as the Ships become availible to all appropriate Characters on an Account. And they would still be as rare as before as an individual Account can only fly a particular ship on one Character at a time.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I agree with @baddmoonrizin statement expect for the trade up option for Phoenix. Dont know exactly why but something makes me feel uncomfortable when that is mentioned.
It will never happen, it's too big of a potential financial hit.
Exactly.
Loss of X revenue from players who currently buy multiple copies of a ship -vs-
Gain of Y revenue from players who will open more packs and boxes because the reward is now more valuable to them
If X is estimated to be more than Y, Cryptic will probably keep lock box and pack ships single-character. If Y wins, we might get account unlocks.
I have no idea how many people currently buy multiple copies of a ship, or whether that number has changed over time. Cryptic on the other hand has exact numbers.
My character Tsin'xing
If they say they're considering it, then I have no reason not to believe them.
I just don't expect things to change and honestly.. if it's going to cause a financial loss, then I hope it doesn't change. I enjoy this game, and if it's not funded it goes away. I get why people want this feature.. heck, I do too.. but I wouldn't want it if it means the game takes a loss that could prove detrimental to it's survival.
The only lost profits would be from players who actually plan to acquire and use multiples of the same ship.
My character Tsin'xing
Have you spent all that money trying to get multiple copies of ships for more then one character?
This is nothing new. They've said this on a few streams over the last year now.
Kael addressed Halloween last month IIRC. They didn't have the time.
Well to be honest I am one of those who spend a lot of EC on the same items for different chars. I assume the Dynamic Power Redistributor of the respective lock box ship being the most expencive one.
While I do spend RL money on STO to support it I do not spend it for LB stuff, still invest the time one way or the other to generate the EC.
If the core rules now would change in a way that from this moment onwards you and I would never need to double spend again but did so in the past unnecessary, would it really be that big of a problem?
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450m + 9k zen for , lobi store reclaim
this would also help the economies
My personal anecdotal experience tells me I have never bought any lobi or lockbox ship twice. It's just way too expensive, and I'd rather spend that money on buying myself an experience I haven't had yet, rather than having tho same on two characters. I actually bought some ships mostly for the traits or costume unlocks (like various Temporal ships to get more skin options for the Paradox, the Terran Crossfield to get the open hangar deck for my Prime Crossfield), though, but even then, just for one character.
Only from people who don't know that the exchange exists.
Lobi ships are around 200 million on the exchange. Lock box ships are 400 - 600 million.
Even for the 1.2 - 1.4 billion EC promo pack ships your numbers are off, since 9K zen gets you 700 - 800 million EC if you buy promo packs on sale and then sell them after the sale ends.
The R&D boxes certainly would benefit from account wide status as the boxes themselves are pretty much worthless due to the flooding of R&D mats that is still going on and how lacking in options the R&D system itself is. Phoenix ships were account wide before they were phoenixxed (with a few exceptions for console players who've been screwed a couple of times) and the drop rate on the tokens needed is abysmal so account wide would be a really good move.
Big questions are would the current whales buy the same volume of keys as before and would account wide encourage fresh blood to waste their money on the gambleboxes or more demand from folk buying via the exchange. More ships going into "active" rosters would also mean more potential sales on slots so there's that to factor in as well.