I wouldn't mind seeing The Sisko again, to add Avery Brooks to that list.
i'm not sure if Avery would be interested in coming back for his role? But i could imagine that there is a story element where you talk with Sisko in the wormhole as he describes what has happened a little more with the Dominion and you take a trip into the past during the Dominion war because there is a clue there to help you in your present timeline.
Avery is a little messed up and not right in the head anymore.
Ahh.. that sucks such a promising actor he was.
Yeah..Go watch "The Captains" if you can find it anywhere. The Avery Brooks interview was just really bizarre.
I really liked his Walking With Dinosaurs voice work.
As far as his bizarre interview, the man is a Jazz musician. They'd toss him out the lodge if he were either coherent or conventional.
But I'm not familiar with the health status of actors. I know I'm strange, but I see them as people who do a job, and when they go home I assume they are like me and don't want to be bothered with work. I know the last thing I'd want is a bunch of strangers looking into my private life because they liked my work. So I don't do that.
Instead I watch the shows and never enquire about the secret lives of actors. Could you imagine googling your plumber's personal life and sharing details with fellow forum members? I don't care how well he unstopped the sink, I just don't bother the plumber with personal questions.
But I will post best wishes for his health and well being. I have on occasion really enjoyed his work.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
I realize that, and some, (The Kardashians, for example,) have gone to great lengths to put their private life on display.
I just don't think knowing an actor's favorite color is going to increase my enjoyment of his/her work. And I don't think celebrities are endowed with greater knowledge of politics, or medicine, or social organization by virtue of their celebrity status, and am constantly mystified by their forrays in to the arena of public thought armed only with some film credits and a holier than thou attitude.
I realize that, and some, (The Kardashians, for example,) have gone to great lengths to put their private life on display.
I just don't think knowing an actor's favorite color is going to increase my enjoyment of his/her work. And I don't think celebrities are endowed with greater knowledge of politics, or medicine, or social organization by virtue of their celebrity status, and am constantly mystified by their forrays in to the arena of public thought armed only with some film credits and a holier than thou attitude.
Do you have a political opinion?
Want it heard?
Celebrity comes with a ready made soap box to sermonize from.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Very interesting! i would love to see the Dominion come on, get Jeffery Combes, Salome Jens, Casey Biggs and the others in on it, have some time traveling, but not too much, get a sense of where things are at..
kinda wondering if LTS would get a unique race like the liberated borg and talaxians. something like a Jem'Hadar soldier or even a Changling?
Lots of ideas. it certainly has more scope and potential than what i have seen on SWTOR recently.
Very interesting! i would love to see the Dominion come on, get Jeffery Combes, Salome Jens, Casey Biggs and the others in on it, have some time traveling, but not too much, get a sense of where things are at..
kinda wondering if LTS would get a unique race like the liberated borg and talaxians. something like a Jem'Hadar soldier or even a Changling?
Lots of ideas. it certainly has more scope and potential than what i have seen on SWTOR recently.
Maybe Molly Hagan? I loved Eris.
hehehe. Just imagine getting caught in another one of her traps as a captain in the GQ.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
While the bulk of the information supporting the Invincible Dominion thesis is soft canon at best, (and given what the various entities have done with hard canon, I personally doubt its long term viability,) let us accept it at face value for the moment. (I reserve the right to argue against it later, this is just for the sake of argument.)
Large centrally controlled empires are inherently unstable from both internal and external pressures. The tendency for powerful persons in distant provinces to build little empires of their own cannot be overlooked, but the biggest issue is that the larger the empire, the larger the border, requiring an ever greater expenditure of resources just to maintain the borders you have. Given the travel times between the center and the border as the primary variable, there is a maximum size an empire can reach before it lacks the resources to protect what it has. This is a geometry problem, not a social one. Even without wars, empires which exceed this ratio of internal volume versus border area collapse or become vulnerable to internal rebellion and external aggression.
Imperial China is a prime example. The various segments of The Great Wall were built not to keep out the Mongol Hordes, but to restrict trade to points where tax assessors could control it, because even with the massive numbers of soldiers at the Emperor's command, the Empire was incapable of fielding enough troops to patrol the frontiers. But even with the Walls, time and again, the 'barbarians' came in to take a slice of Imperial pie, and the only thing the Chinese could do about it, even with their technological and military superiority, was to eventually intermarry with the barbarians until they were indistinguishable from the local population. There is no doubt that for much of human history the various dynasties which we Westerners call China were the most powerful, technologically advanced, and militarily sophisticated people on the planet, but there were multiple invasions which ended with a foriegner on the throne. The last Emperor of China, who died in 1967, was a Manchu, and not Chinese at all.
Imperial Rome is another example. Conquering Britain seemed like a good idea at the time, but little bitty Scotland put an end to the growth of the Empire in the British Isles, costing the Romans more than they could gain from further expansion. Why? Rome was so big and Scotland so small, and also a land of competing clans who were never unified at any point during the conflict with Rome. Well, there were other provinces that needed manpower. The German border required massive support, as did Thracia, and Hispania, Libya and Egypt, and Palestine. Scotland survived unconquered by Rome because they foolishly expanded beyond their capacity to defend their borders. Eventually, Emperor Diocletian recognized this and divided the Empire into an Eastern and Western Roman Empire, but it was already too late and the Western half fell quickly to barbarians who raided Rome itself, in spite of the massive disparity between the numbers of the Legions and the numbers of the Barbarians. Because most of the legions were hard pressed to hold what they had, abandoning the outer provinces to save Rome would have meant the end of Rome anyway due to its dependence upon tribute from those provinces. So the numbers of troops needed to defend Rome were available, but could not be used for anything but what they were already doing.
The Dominion has yet another geometry problem: the legions had to defend a circle, but the Dominion must defend a sphere, meaning the border area is 4 × pi × radius squared rather than pi × radius. This massive surface area must be defended from the barbarians, and this completely discounts the need for internal security, just in case someone disobeys a Vorta and needs to be killed. So, that second 2800: which border are you going to weaken to get them to the fight? Because there are always barbarians waiting for a slice of Imperial pie, and local garisson commanders who think they'd look good in a crown, and rebels wanting to blow up death stars... oh, sorry, wrong franchise. Anyway, it's certain that in an empire founded on and controlled by fear, there are certain to be people who think it would be a fine thing to live without the empire, and removing troops from the region smells a lot like opportunity to me.
So, out of context assertions by writing staff aside, the Dominion cannot be as powerful as it is said to be without generating equally powerful forces which want to tear it apart.
And we know so little about all those trillions of oppressed people who yearn to be free.
So, no. I reject the Invulnerable Empire thesis. It cannot happen. It defies logic even to postulate the existence of such an entity. The more powerful an Empire becomes, the more speedily that Empire's overthrow becomes inevitable. Of course, that doesn't stop the guy who overthrew the Empire from founding another. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Yup, I completely agree, and the only example needed to potentially support that, is Weyoun 6. If one in six Vorta doesn't remain loyal to the Founders, then that is potentially A Lot of Vorta who have the potential to think they may be better off without the Founder's rule (one way or another) that is a lot of potential instability. Add to that instances of Jem-Hadar who can go without the White, or, like Kar'ukan, or have the capacity to outright defy a Founder, that also adds up to a large number. Getting a rogue Vorta with rogue Jem'Hadar, rather than loyal Jem'Hadar killing a rogue Vorta, is the situation heeded for a serious breakaway attempt to occur. For all their manipulativeness, Vorta seem to be more instances of 'middle-management', rather than having the Necessary Spark to be True Leaders in their own right, so that's another factor which is likely to keep them from assuming regional power in their own right (although I suspect that the Dominion operates much as the Empire was going to operate in New Hope; With regional governers maintaining local authority and rule. In the Dominion's instance, those regional governers are unlikely to think to take control for themselves
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
The authors used Ketracel White to explain how the Jem'Hadar are forced to remain loyal. They didn't tell you the other side of the story, though: namely, that their dependency on it makes them vulnerable to things like being cut off from their supply of it. Or, indeed, that they can genetically mutate, so as to no longer needing it any more.
This is wrong on several counts
A. It's stated that the Jem'Hadar are programed to be loyal the same way the Vorta are. The white just serves as another layer of loyalty.
B. With a territory as large as The Dominions, white factories would have to be in a fairly large abundance. Meaning, it would be basically impossible to ever really cut off their supply to white inside The Dominion itself. Cutting them off somewhere else, such as the Alpha Quadrant which they can only reach via the natural choke point of the wormhole, is very easy to do though.
C. The mutation to not need it happened to one Jem'Hadar in known history, and they could find no way to replicate it. It's made pretty clear its an exceedingly rare thing.
A/C Jem'Hadar are still (on rare occasion) capable of disobedience to their masters. Rare as those occurrences are, they can happen, setting up statistical models and probabilities. The 'known history' is a disingenuous caveat, because while it is technically correct, it attempts to present 'known history' as the Only Option, rather than acknowledging that all it truly implies, is that there is also unknown history to consider as well Even 'exceedingly rare', in a large enough sample, can become a significant statistic, and if there's one thing the Dominion definitely is, is a large sample
I have read it, and much like every other book you are mandated to read in school, it was garbage, but that is another topic entirely.
No. You thought it was garbage. That does not actually Make It garbage Your assertion is a complex statement, thus a fallacy 1984 is a scarily accurate prediction of the situation the world is transitioning into: Enforced opinions, thoughtcrime, doublespeak, TV screens capable of monitoring a room (such as Siri, Alexa and other Smart Devices do) State-Control of public opinion and 'The Enemy'. If you didn't enjoy the book, that's fine, personal tastes, and all that, but you not enjoying it, doesn't make it garbage, nor invalidate the scarily insightful predictions to how the world is shaping. Dismissing it thus, is not an intellectually-sound notion or critique
There is nothing to suggest The Dominion is spread too thin to actually hold their borders, and everything presented in the shows suggests they are actually powerful enough to not only hold their borders, but also endlessly expand them for 2000 years straight.
The Dominion doesn't need to be 'spread too thin' to have issues, because that, is not the issue. The issue, is that due to its vast size and population, it's a statistical inevitability that some of the population, is not going to want to toe the party line.
Robert Wolfe wrote about the Jem'Hadar in a memo which defined the Dominion. Even as early a time as when he was writing the memo, Wolfe was fairly certain about the origins of the Jem'Hadar, including the idea that they (and the Vorta) had been genetically engineered by the Founders. Wolfe was even aware of some backstory explaining what had happened to the Jem'Hadar prior to this. "I think we all agreed that the Jem'Hadar were originally like the Mongols," he remembered. "They were some incredibly nasty, conquering subculture on a world of their own, but without all the genetic engineering; they didn't grow up in three days and all that stuff. The Founders got a hold of them and said, 'We'll make you the ultimate killing machines, what do you think?' And they said 'YEAH!' They just volunteered." In the memo, Wolfe declared that the Jem'Hadar had rebelled several times during the history of the Dominion but that all the Jem'Hadar rebellions had been defeated.
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Well, Neman pointed out that the good thing about Jem-Hadar, is that one could always grow more. The Founder also ordered Weyoun to have a bunch of Vorta scientists executed and their clones activated. So of course any Jem'Hadar rebellions have been defeated (because plot dictates thus) because the Dominion would simply create enough new Jem'Hadar to wipe out the ones trying to rebel Had they wanted to say that a rebellion had been successful, they could just as easily have done so, as happens in-game, when Kar'ukan defies the wills of Eraun, Loriss and the Founder. If he could rebel, probability suggests that others could too
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
I have read it, and much like every other book you are mandated to read in school, it was garbage, but that is another topic entirely.
1984 was far from garbage.
One of the dead-on things it had right, is that absolute control is an illusion, even when things look very dire. The former DDR (East-Germany) is a good example. Prior to the fall of the Berlin wall, the government was believed to have total control over every walk of life: they were monitoring everyone (you may want to see Das Leben der Anderen,, which is very instructive). Nobody dared to rebel, or even say the wrong thing, lest they be betrayed. And yet, when the worms started turning, it was all over in a matter of weeks. Why? Because -- and this is essential -- all absolute control is based on fear, for you neighbors turning you in, for one. So everyone stays compliant. But as soon as you realize it's over, and your neighbor realizes it too, then it turns out nobody really wanted this, and your absolute control collapses, almost immediately.
Star Trek is, ultimately, not real life, it is fiction. And like all fiction, it relies on plot armor, Deus Ex Machinas, and technobabble, to allow things to go on in such a way they realistically wouldn't. If Star Trek worked like real life, Kirk would have been dead on about his third mission. As such, any attempts to use real world logic to find flaws within The Dominion's system are ultimately pointless. One can say X, Y, and Z, are weaknesses, but if the show suggests they don't have said weakness, then they don't.
This is not your strongest argument. And that is understating it. Basically, you're saying that if someone comes with an argument that truly puts a dent in your theory of a 'sheer untakeable Empire,' you will dismiss it because either a wiki says so, or because the show didn't really cover the weaknesses of the Dominion.
I liked Jeffery Combs' as Weyoun, but I really liked his work as Shemp, Shrek, Shrimp... whatever Shran's name was. I was kind of hoping my Andorian AOY toon would get to see him. Anyone know how long Andorians live?
My favorite Vorta was played by Iggy Pop. He was captured, but did he ever activate his suicide device? I bet he's far too expensive for STO, but what a voice.
There are objections to a 2800 style invasion as the storyline, the principle one, for me, is that we've done it already.
There are objections to the Dominion asking for help, chiefly in that anything they couldn't defeat the Alliance couldn't either.
Though there aren't outright objections, the idea that their arrival is a diplomatic one is questioned because of the size of the fleet.
So, we seem to be left with the idea that the Dominion has come to help us. Again.
But why would they want to? Anything which weakens the Alliance strengthens their position.
Unless...
They know what the Tzenkethi are all stirred up over, and would rather fight it in our space than wait for it to arrive in theirs. A protracted war in the Alpha Quadrant would destabilize a rival power and aford them the opportunity to learn all our tricks.
Heck, I wouldn't be surprised to meet another genetically engineered species which has curiosity and adaptability as their primary traits so they can learn how to make replicators from rocks. Of course, such a dangerous creature would have to be very rare indeed, and every one guarded by Jem Hadar ordered to kill them at the first sign of disloyalty. But there's no canon support for that idea.
It is my belief that the long awaited revamp of DS9 is being foreshadowed by the arrival of the Dominion fleet, and really, that's all it may be. Not a new storyline at all, but remastering and upgrading the lighting of DS9. If so, as you can see by the response to this thread, it will have been an opportunity missed for STO to venture into the Gamma Quadrant.
I liked Jeffery Combs' as Weyoun, but I really liked his work as Shemp, Shrek, Shrimp... whatever Shran's name was. I was kind of hoping my Andorian AOY toon would get to see him. Anyone know how long Andorians live?
My favorite Vorta was played by Iggy Pop. He was captured, but did he ever activate his suicide device? I bet he's far too expensive for STO, but what a voice.
There are objections to a 2800 style invasion as the storyline, the principle one, for me, is that we've done it already.
There are objections to the Dominion asking for help, chiefly in that anything they couldn't defeat the Alliance couldn't either.
Though there aren't outright objections, the idea that their arrival is a diplomatic one is questioned because of the size of the fleet.
So, we seem to be left with the idea that the Dominion has come to help us. Again.
But why would they want to? Anything which weakens the Alliance strengthens their position.
Unless...
They know what the Tzenkethi are all stirred up over, and would rather fight it in our space than wait for it to arrive in theirs. A protracted war in the Alpha Quadrant would destabilize a rival power and aford them the opportunity to learn all our tricks.
Heck, I wouldn't be surprised to meet another genetically engineered species which has curiosity and adaptability as their primary traits so they can learn how to make replicators from rocks. Of course, such a dangerous creature would have to be very rare indeed, and every one guarded by Jem Hadar ordered to kill them at the first sign of disloyalty. But there's no canon support for that idea.
It is my belief that the long awaited revamp of DS9 is being foreshadowed by the arrival of the Dominion fleet, and really, that's all it may be. Not a new storyline at all, but remastering and upgrading the lighting of DS9. If so, as you can see by the response to this thread, it will have been an opportunity missed for STO to venture into the Gamma Quadrant.
i was thinking back to the time travel episode where you are witness to the signing of a temporal accord between the factions on New Khitomer in the GQ. so it wouldn't surprising if there is still a temporal cold war episode or two to come regarding how things get to that point.
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Just a thought I had the other day running Sompek Arena: In the opening 3 rounds (at least), Kurn states that we're first facing off against members of the Alliance, and it's not til later that says to see how we fair against enemy forces. Dominion forces are featured during those first few rounds, hinting that the Dominion is now part of the Alliance, or at least friendly to it. I would think that the Dominion is coming to us for help in repayment for helping us with the Iconians, and not as some invading or hostile force to be dealt with.
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Just a thought I had the other day running Sompek Arena: In the opening 3 rounds (at least), Kurn states that we're first facing off against members of the Alliance, and it's not til later that says to see how we fair against enemy forces. Dominion forces are featured during those first few rounds, hinting that the Dominion is now part of the Alliance, or at least friendly to it. I would think that the Dominion is coming to us for help in repayment for helping us with the Iconians, and not as some invading or hostile force to be dealt with.
or the simpler and far more likely explanation - cryptic TRIBBLE up matching appropriate dialogue with random enemy spawn lists
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
What if the fleet that is coming thru the wormhole is actually coming to the alpha/beta quad to speak with the alpha jem'hadar and the changelings of the alpha/beta quad. Either attempting to bring them back to the great link, or maybe came thru after getting a message from those changelings for aid. I could see the Dominion sending a fleet that size into the alpha/beta quad for such reasons, maybe finding the Tzenkethi war/battles might endanger the changelings, and so are there to defend them either from attacks already happening or that might help.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
An idea the Prime Universe Dominion vs. Mirror Universe Dominion vs. Kelvin Universe Dominion, its a 3 way Dominion War, and they come to the Alliance looking for a tie breaker.
What if the fleet that is coming thru the wormhole is actually coming to the alpha/beta quad to speak with the alpha jem'hadar and the changelings of the alpha/beta quad. Either attempting to bring them back to the great link, or maybe came thru after getting a message from those changelings for aid. I could see the Dominion sending a fleet that size into the alpha/beta quad for such reasons, maybe finding the Tzenkethi war/battles might endanger the changelings, and so are there to defend them either from attacks already happening or that might help.
That just brings up the same question as the idea that they are coming for some diplomatic reason. There is no reason to send that many ships if all they want to do is talk.
That is an invasion force, or a massive full scale retreat, force.
That or a VIP visit. Ain't no way one of the Founders would risk leaving Dominion space without an armed escort. Which raises the question of which Founder... Mebbe Odo, or the one from Fac 4028?
Seriously... that's a SMALL fleet by Dominion standards.
What if the fleet that is coming thru the wormhole is actually coming to the alpha/beta quad to speak with the alpha jem'hadar and the changelings of the alpha/beta quad. Either attempting to bring them back to the great link, or maybe came thru after getting a message from those changelings for aid. I could see the Dominion sending a fleet that size into the alpha/beta quad for such reasons, maybe finding the Tzenkethi war/battles might endanger the changelings, and so are there to defend them either from attacks already happening or that might help.
That just brings up the same question as the idea that they are coming for some diplomatic reason. There is no reason to send that many ships if all they want to do is talk.
That is an invasion force, or a massive full scale retreat, force.
But I am not just saying it is them coming for just diplomatic reasons, and also the alpha/beta quad is in abit of a turmoil with the Tzenkethi. Though also you are talking about a group of changelings(the alpha/beta changelings I mean) that have quite a small contingent of defenses an also Jem'hadar (which are not nearly as loyal as the gamma quad variant, but are supposedly more advanced in other areas.) to defend themselves with if the Tzenkethi begin to attack or venture into the area they occupy. What would the Dominion an other founders do if they thought even a rogue group of Changelings were potentially in danger? I would not be surprised with them sending a fleet of ships to re-enforce the group, while attempting to see if they would return to the link an safety.
Also the fleet they sent to pick up a Founder an bring her back is just that a escort fleet to retrieve a Founder that would desire to return, while this might be a escort sent to speak with the Changelings of the New Link in the alpha/beta quad over a much longer period. Though also what if the force that is working with the Tzenkethi are located closer to the Gamma quad, and something similar might be happening in the gamma quad via this other race with tied to the Tzenkethi.
There is also the fact that Son'a did say they still had ties to the Dominion, and we had been fighting with the Breen that have/had alliances with the Dominion, and they both might have spoke with the Dominion prompting this action. The Dominion is known for their displays of power to intimidate, and this might have been that them coming thru hoping to use the display to keep the alliance off balance while dealing with the attacks on allies they still have in the alpha/beta quad.
The Breen are mysterious in their in ways, there are books that give a non-canon view point on what the Breen might be like but i would like to see Cryptic think about doing something with the Breen. We know not much about them. It would be fantastic if the Breen had some story to them, to find out their structure of their leadership, military and what not and answer the question around the Thot that attacked the Deferi if he really was rogue or part of an authorized action with no back up to reduce the chances of learning more about the Breen.
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What if the fleet that is coming thru the wormhole is actually coming to the alpha/beta quad to speak with the alpha jem'hadar and the changelings of the alpha/beta quad. Either attempting to bring them back to the great link, or maybe came thru after getting a message from those changelings for aid. I could see the Dominion sending a fleet that size into the alpha/beta quad for such reasons, maybe finding the Tzenkethi war/battles might endanger the changelings, and so are there to defend them either from attacks already happening or that might help.
That just brings up the same question as the idea that they are coming for some diplomatic reason. There is no reason to send that many ships if all they want to do is talk.
That is an invasion force, or a massive full scale retreat, force.
That or a VIP visit. Ain't no way one of the Founders would risk leaving Dominion space without an armed escort. Which raises the question of which Founder... Mebbe Odo, or the one from Fac 4028?
Seriously... that's a SMALL fleet by Dominion standards.
They didn't send that many ships when they came to pick up the female changeling in the 2800 arc. They seemed perfectly content with just 4-5 ships.
And yeah it's a small fleet in total numbers, but it is a video game, and everything is scaled down. The cutscene for the 2800 arc wasn't much different.
That wasn't really a fleet even, that was just whatever Eraun had under his command. Also, the cutscenes were purposely done to never even try to show the full fleet. The cloest we come is seeing the wormhole open and a column of ships pouring out of it. we see the beginning, but not the end.
this scene though? It opens, a few ships come out, then it closes.
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Yeah..Go watch "The Captains" if you can find it anywhere. The Avery Brooks interview was just really bizarre.
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As far as his bizarre interview, the man is a Jazz musician. They'd toss him out the lodge if he were either coherent or conventional.
But I'm not familiar with the health status of actors. I know I'm strange, but I see them as people who do a job, and when they go home I assume they are like me and don't want to be bothered with work. I know the last thing I'd want is a bunch of strangers looking into my private life because they liked my work. So I don't do that.
Instead I watch the shows and never enquire about the secret lives of actors. Could you imagine googling your plumber's personal life and sharing details with fellow forum members? I don't care how well he unstopped the sink, I just don't bother the plumber with personal questions.
But I will post best wishes for his health and well being. I have on occasion really enjoyed his work.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I just don't think knowing an actor's favorite color is going to increase my enjoyment of his/her work. And I don't think celebrities are endowed with greater knowledge of politics, or medicine, or social organization by virtue of their celebrity status, and am constantly mystified by their forrays in to the arena of public thought armed only with some film credits and a holier than thou attitude.
Do you have a political opinion?
Want it heard?
Celebrity comes with a ready made soap box to sermonize from.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
My character Tsin'xing
hehehe. Just imagine getting caught in another one of her traps as a captain in the GQ.
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"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
No. You thought it was garbage. That does not actually Make It garbage
The Dominion doesn't need to be 'spread too thin' to have issues, because that, is not the issue. The issue, is that due to its vast size and population, it's a statistical inevitability that some of the population, is not going to want to toe the party line.
Well, Neman pointed out that the good thing about Jem-Hadar, is that one could always grow more. The Founder also ordered Weyoun to have a bunch of Vorta scientists executed and their clones activated. So of course any Jem'Hadar rebellions have been defeated (because plot dictates thus) because the Dominion would simply create enough new Jem'Hadar to wipe out the ones trying to rebel
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
1984 was far from garbage.
One of the dead-on things it had right, is that absolute control is an illusion, even when things look very dire. The former DDR (East-Germany) is a good example. Prior to the fall of the Berlin wall, the government was believed to have total control over every walk of life: they were monitoring everyone (you may want to see Das Leben der Anderen,, which is very instructive). Nobody dared to rebel, or even say the wrong thing, lest they be betrayed. And yet, when the worms started turning, it was all over in a matter of weeks. Why? Because -- and this is essential -- all absolute control is based on fear, for you neighbors turning you in, for one. So everyone stays compliant. But as soon as you realize it's over, and your neighbor realizes it too, then it turns out nobody really wanted this, and your absolute control collapses, almost immediately.
This is not your strongest argument.
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
My favorite Vorta was played by Iggy Pop. He was captured, but did he ever activate his suicide device? I bet he's far too expensive for STO, but what a voice.
There are objections to a 2800 style invasion as the storyline, the principle one, for me, is that we've done it already.
There are objections to the Dominion asking for help, chiefly in that anything they couldn't defeat the Alliance couldn't either.
Though there aren't outright objections, the idea that their arrival is a diplomatic one is questioned because of the size of the fleet.
So, we seem to be left with the idea that the Dominion has come to help us. Again.
But why would they want to? Anything which weakens the Alliance strengthens their position.
Unless...
They know what the Tzenkethi are all stirred up over, and would rather fight it in our space than wait for it to arrive in theirs. A protracted war in the Alpha Quadrant would destabilize a rival power and aford them the opportunity to learn all our tricks.
Heck, I wouldn't be surprised to meet another genetically engineered species which has curiosity and adaptability as their primary traits so they can learn how to make replicators from rocks. Of course, such a dangerous creature would have to be very rare indeed, and every one guarded by Jem Hadar ordered to kill them at the first sign of disloyalty. But there's no canon support for that idea.
It is my belief that the long awaited revamp of DS9 is being foreshadowed by the arrival of the Dominion fleet, and really, that's all it may be. Not a new storyline at all, but remastering and upgrading the lighting of DS9. If so, as you can see by the response to this thread, it will have been an opportunity missed for STO to venture into the Gamma Quadrant.
i was thinking back to the time travel episode where you are witness to the signing of a temporal accord between the factions on New Khitomer in the GQ. so it wouldn't surprising if there is still a temporal cold war episode or two to come regarding how things get to that point.
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or the simpler and far more likely explanation - cryptic TRIBBLE up matching appropriate dialogue with random enemy spawn lists
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Seriously... that's a SMALL fleet by Dominion standards.
My character Tsin'xing
But I am not just saying it is them coming for just diplomatic reasons, and also the alpha/beta quad is in abit of a turmoil with the Tzenkethi. Though also you are talking about a group of changelings(the alpha/beta changelings I mean) that have quite a small contingent of defenses an also Jem'hadar (which are not nearly as loyal as the gamma quad variant, but are supposedly more advanced in other areas.) to defend themselves with if the Tzenkethi begin to attack or venture into the area they occupy. What would the Dominion an other founders do if they thought even a rogue group of Changelings were potentially in danger? I would not be surprised with them sending a fleet of ships to re-enforce the group, while attempting to see if they would return to the link an safety.
Also the fleet they sent to pick up a Founder an bring her back is just that a escort fleet to retrieve a Founder that would desire to return, while this might be a escort sent to speak with the Changelings of the New Link in the alpha/beta quad over a much longer period. Though also what if the force that is working with the Tzenkethi are located closer to the Gamma quad, and something similar might be happening in the gamma quad via this other race with tied to the Tzenkethi.
There is also the fact that Son'a did say they still had ties to the Dominion, and we had been fighting with the Breen that have/had alliances with the Dominion, and they both might have spoke with the Dominion prompting this action. The Dominion is known for their displays of power to intimidate, and this might have been that them coming thru hoping to use the display to keep the alliance off balance while dealing with the attacks on allies they still have in the alpha/beta quad.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
this scene though? It opens, a few ships come out, then it closes.
My character Tsin'xing