the iconian connection is only seen if you take a delta recruit through one of the fek'irhi arc missions and examine its recruit lore snippet (i think the last one, but it might've been the one before that)
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Those are Klingon otherworldly figures in the Fek'Ihri, i can't see a connection to the Iconians, what are your thought on the subject?
The Hur'q were rumored at the time to of come from the GQ, it's possible they could of hidden themselves with the Iconians, since there is no story there beyond the invasion of the early Klingon empire, it's a perfect race for the developers to use.
At the end of the Fek'Ihri arc, one of your bridge officers mentions they detect signs of Hur'q technology, indicating that the Hur'q are responsible for the Fek'Ihri's return.
The Hur'q themselves have been mentioned a few times over the course of the game. It's claimed they are responsible for the "Thought Maker" device used in an episode of TNG. But, more importantly, the Hur'q are mentioned in the "Butterfly" mission. When Nog mentions that in their original simulation, where they simply "removed" the Iconians from time, it created a situation where the Hur'q never obtained warp capability, thus they never attacked the Klingons, thus the Klingons never became a warrior culture, and, in that new timeline, the Vulcan Empire was in a life and death struggle with The Dominion. While its never said the Hur'q got warp drive from the Iconians directly, there is an implied connection between them.
Its also stated during the "Sphere of Influence" mission that the Iconians have agents in the Gamma Quadrant working to keep the gateways hidden from The Dominion. If these agents were the Elachi, Solanae, or Heralds, all of which had been mentioned by name already, it would be pointless to keep their name hidden from the players. The only reason to do so is if t was a species who hadn't been revealed to be an Iconian agent at that point.
The Hur'q are OFC from the Gamma Quadrant, and the destruction of their species would make them likely to join the Iconians to gain power like the Vaadwaur did. If the Hur'q are servants of the Iconians, that would make the Fek'Ihri as well.
There is also the fact the Iconians and Fek'Ihri share many similarities
-Both are "mythological demons"
-Both use high advanced versions of ancient weaponry like tridents and staffs as weapons
-Both use eerily similar, though different colored, portal technology to move around
And the Fek'Ihri's attacks on the Kligons started around the same time as the Elachi's attacks on the Romulan Republic, and seem to serve the same overall purpose as the Elachi's attacks did in disrupting a major enemy to the Iconians.
Thank you @somtaawkhar. Very interesting read, i was struggling to find any information on the STO wiki about what @shadowfang240 mentioned, i never managed to get a Klingon DR through the story so i didn't know about this. i stand corrected. So the Fek'Ihri are like the Undine, unknownly working for the Iconians?
As you saw from the Undine story, there wasn't any direct interference from the Iconians until after the Undine were forced to retreat and they still didn't know even after a single Iconian murdered the high council. There wasn't any direct proof linking the Undine to the Iconians in any form besides careful manipulation with pretend invasion forces which was more indirect. Could it be a similar story for the Fek'Ihri?
It leads to another question, why would the Fek'Ihri want to destroy the Dominion? it will be interesting to find out.
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Here is more speculation, they will find away to bring Jadzia Dax back, maybe as a replicant, maybe Kelvin Timeline Jadzia Dax, maybe raised from the dead by the prophets of Bajor.
Thank you @somtaawkhar. Very interesting read, i was struggling to find any information on the STO wiki about what @shadowfang240 mentioned, i never managed to get a Klingon DR through the story so i didn't know about this. i stand corrected. So the Fek'Ihri are like the Undine, unknownly working for the Iconians?
As you saw from the Undine story, there wasn't any direct interference from the Iconians until after the Undine were forced to retreat and they still didn't know even after a single Iconian murdered the high council. There wasn't any direct proof linking the Undine to the Iconians in any form besides careful manipulation with pretend invasion forces which was more indirect. Could it be a similar story for the Fek'Ihri?
It leads to another question, why would the Fek'Ihri want to destroy the Dominion? it will be interesting to find out.
I would actually more assume that the Fek'ihri are like the Bluegill, artificial creations of the Hur'q, who are themselves servants of the Iconians.
As to why the Hur'q/Fek'Ihri would be trying to attack The Dominion, given the Dominion's rather violent, and expansionist, nature, as well as the fact that the Dominion has existed for over 2,000 years, while the Hur'q only vanished 1,000 years ago, it's entirely possible that The Dominion were responsible for the destruction of the Hur'q in the first place, and the Hur'q later teamed up with the Iconians to get payback.
Very possible for the creation part, i like it. But for the explanation, the only reason the Fek'Ihri exist so much in Klingon lore is to kill Klingons and any new dead warrior that is slain by the dishnored end up in Gre'thor. Would it work with the Dominion? Killing them and adding them to the army of the dishonored dead?
Speculating a bit further, what if these hordlings are Jem'hadar soldiers who were adjusted and it turns out that Jem'Hadar are just as devout to the code of honor as any Klingon?
Here is more speculation, they will find away to bring Jadzia Dax back, maybe as a replicant, maybe Kelvin Timeline Jadzia Dax, maybe raised from the dead by the prophets of Bajor.
The only way i can this see is through the mirror universe. A Kelvin Jadzia for all we know may never have existed because the Klingons from that alternative reality are very different from the ones in the original, consider Curzon trying to deal with a Klingon hero and trying to get anywhere, he is more likely to end up on the end of some Klingon disruptor bolt. This is a very different timeline and the consequences that come with such a thing.
The Prophets don't care about a single life unless it's someone important enough to them and even then it's a question mark what their motivations are for this recently risen character.
It's possible there could be a replicant of Jadzia out there. There was a Paradan at Jadzia's bachelorette party, it could of been possible this Paradan managed to get what they needed from her.
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One thing that was left out is that one of the Delta Recruit objectives on the KDF side is to locate an Iconian artifact in the Shrine of Kahless. makes you wonder how one of those got here eh?
It would be interesting if the Fek'ihri were less of a creation of the Hur'q, and more of a modification to a race/person they did. Such as the Fek'ihri might just be Klingons that the Hur'q captured/killed an genetically altered turning them into one. I would also say that in some ways I seem similarities in how the Jem'hadar and some of the Fek'ihri look compared to each other, so maybe the genetic tech that the Founders used to create the Jem'hadar maybe was taken from the Hur'q during their fall.
I actually wonder if each of the servitor races of the Iconians were responsible for specific quadrants of space, and the Hur'q might have been the race that watched over the Gamma quad. Though I also would not be surprised if it is revealed that the Hur'(if they are a servitor race) was the first such servitor race to be created by the Iconians. Also if you look at the two major servitor races that the Iconians used, the Solanae were a science caste while the Elachi were more of a warrior caste, and so if the Hur'q were a servitor race I think they might have been the engineer caste (what do you think they might be as a caste for the Iconians.).
They have given away the plot already. The Dominion is gonna join the Alliance.
As you know, the first rounds of Sompek arena are a "skirmish against forces of the Alliance". And Jem'hadar troops are frequently among these forces... so... It's official now
And there's how the Dominion are one of the signatories of the Temporal Accords. Yes, there were several races there who were enemies, but they didn't take part in the actual signing ceremony.
I actually wonder if each of the servitor races of the Iconians were responsible for specific quadrants of space, and the Hur'q might have been the race that watched over the Gamma quad. Though I also would not be surprised if it is revealed that the Hur'(if they are a servitor race) was the first such servitor race to be created by the Iconians. Also if you look at the two major servitor races that the Iconians used, the Solanae were a science caste while the Elachi were more of a warrior caste, and so if the Hur'q were a servitor race I think they might have been the engineer caste (what do you think they might be as a caste for the Iconians.).
That implies there is another dyson sphere out there and that the Hur'q built these things and any new gates in collaboration with the Solanae for the tricky science stuff that goes hand on hand with engineering using Iconian blueprints.
if the Hur'q are the engineers of the servitor races, they would know more than anyone what technology is and how to use is to the best effect. It could quite possibly mean that the Hur'q are probably the most destructive of the three because they understand the mechanics behind all of these iconian creations past the Iconian fall. if they added some of that knowledge to their own ships and vehicles, it would be no wonder the Dominion lost the war with them.
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Or that the Solanae might have been responsible for the spheres, while the Hur'q were responsible for building/maintaining (not creating mind you) the Gateways that are used. Also what if the Solanae and Hur'q worked together to create the sphere,but with the defeat of the Hur'q an them vanishing (needing to recoup maybe) they did not know the tech as well as the Hur'q leading to the accident that caused them to be trapped in sub-space.
Also if you look at the two major servitor races that the Iconians used, the Solanae were a science caste while the Elachi were more of a warrior caste
Ehh, it's more like
-Elachi = Black Ops caste
-Solanae = Scientist caste
-Heralds = Warrior caste
-Bluegill = Infiltrator caste
Oh I actually mean that in the wiki it is listed that the Solonae are said to be the science caste, while the Elachi are the warrior caste, but I see the Herald as more generals or tacticians. Even though it is stated that the Solanae created the Bluegill, it would have been interesting with how talented it seems the Hur'q are for genetic engineering if the Bluegill were their creation (this is also under the idea of the Hur'q being a servitor race).
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When the crystals were first revealed along with the Tzenkethi crusade to wipe them out, I speculated that the crystals might be early lifecycle development that would "hatch" into a Crystalline Entity. What else could the Tzenkethi see as such a threat? Until we get further information, I'm holding to that theory.
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If we had no info on how the Tholians reproduce I could see it being maybe how they reproduce with the crystals being kinda like spider egg-sacks in a more crystalline state. The other thing I wonder could these be something that an enemy of the Tzenkethi had placed themselves into like a stasis pod after a war with them an hid them on world sto safeguard their people.
Also I remember when we first went to the world the crystals were on with the temple-like structure or holding site for the crystals. In the chamber before you go into the main chamber with the crystals you can see on the wall paintings that they show a depiction of the crystals we find there on one above the painting, and then on the other you can see a depiction of a crystal with six protrusions jutting out of it. I wonder what that second imagine is a depiction is of, since it does not look like we have seen anything like it yet.
If we had no info on how the Tholians reproduce I could see it being maybe how they reproduce with the crystals being kinda like spider egg-sacks in a more crystalline state. The other thing I wonder could these be something that an enemy of the Tzenkethi had placed themselves into like a stasis pod after a war with them an hid them on world sto safeguard their people.
Also I remember when we first went to the world the crystals were on with the temple-like structure or holding site for the crystals. In the chamber before you go into the main chamber with the crystals you can see on the wall paintings that they show a depiction of the crystals we find there on one above the painting, and then on the other you can see a depiction of a crystal with six protrusions jutting out of it. I wonder what that second imagine is a depiction is of, since it does not look like we have seen anything like it yet.
Tholians act a bit like a bee colony, a single queen with a population of young tholians. it's possible the queen spawns new crystal like eggs in birthing pods and then they hatch, possibly a tiny tholian running around and over time it gets larger and larger once it takes down what it needs. some form of energy?
Tholians are very aggressive when it comes to what they consider theirs. they wouldn't willingly abandon their own eggs on a planet that is so cold anyway. Tholians requires a specific heat requirement somewhere in the 300'c mark, minimum. If it's below that these crystalline entities will split and shatter, eggs with it.
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If we had no info on how the Tholians reproduce I could see it being maybe how they reproduce with the crystals being kinda like spider egg-sacks in a more crystalline state. The other thing I wonder could these be something that an enemy of the Tzenkethi had placed themselves into like a stasis pod after a war with them an hid them on world sto safeguard their people.
Also I remember when we first went to the world the crystals were on with the temple-like structure or holding site for the crystals. In the chamber before you go into the main chamber with the crystals you can see on the wall paintings that they show a depiction of the crystals we find there on one above the painting, and then on the other you can see a depiction of a crystal with six protrusions jutting out of it. I wonder what that second imagine is a depiction is of, since it does not look like we have seen anything like it yet.
Tholians act a bit like a bee colony, a single queen with a population of young tholians. it's possible the queen spawns new crystal like eggs in birthing pods and then they hatch, possibly a tiny tholian running around and over time it gets larger and larger once it takes down what it needs. some form of energy?
Tholians are very aggressive when it comes to what they consider theirs. they wouldn't willingly abandon their own eggs on a planet that is so cold anyway. Tholians requires a specific heat requirement somewhere in the 300'c mark, minimum. If it's below that these crystalline entities will split and shatter, eggs with it.
Oh yeah. I mean if we did not know or have lore on how they reproduce. Though the second part was more saying that maybe the Tholians are not the only crystalline race out there an these might be the eggs of that race, or might be a form of stasis chamber that another race (not the Tholians) used to keep their people safe an hidden away after having a war with the Tzenkethi. I mean i could see that being quite a reason for the Tzenkethi to attack places with these crystals if they knew they held the sleeping forms of an old enemy that they thought they destroyed in the past.
I could see it being a war or an accident with the Tholians an several ships that might have had crystal-eggs on them going to worlds that the Tholians were wanting to expand into were attacked an the eggs landed on different worlds kinda like how you see in the shows at times people landing on hostile worlds on accident. It would be a good guess to think that since the Tholians need such high temps than their eggs would, but in nature that is not always true with some creature's eggs an young needing to slowly grow into being able to take that kind of temperature/pressure what have you. An who knows if a group of Tholians believed that if the crystal-eggs they had on board might be destroyed, they might hide them on a wold that at the time was uninhabited. Though this is all speculating, and also off-topic.
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Thank you @somtaawkhar. Very interesting read, i was struggling to find any information on the STO wiki about what @shadowfang240 mentioned, i never managed to get a Klingon DR through the story so i didn't know about this. i stand corrected. So the Fek'Ihri are like the Undine, unknownly working for the Iconians?
As you saw from the Undine story, there wasn't any direct interference from the Iconians until after the Undine were forced to retreat and they still didn't know even after a single Iconian murdered the high council. There wasn't any direct proof linking the Undine to the Iconians in any form besides careful manipulation with pretend invasion forces which was more indirect. Could it be a similar story for the Fek'Ihri?
It leads to another question, why would the Fek'Ihri want to destroy the Dominion? it will be interesting to find out.
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Very possible for the creation part, i like it. But for the explanation, the only reason the Fek'Ihri exist so much in Klingon lore is to kill Klingons and any new dead warrior that is slain by the dishnored end up in Gre'thor. Would it work with the Dominion? Killing them and adding them to the army of the dishonored dead?
Speculating a bit further, what if these hordlings are Jem'hadar soldiers who were adjusted and it turns out that Jem'Hadar are just as devout to the code of honor as any Klingon?
The only way i can this see is through the mirror universe. A Kelvin Jadzia for all we know may never have existed because the Klingons from that alternative reality are very different from the ones in the original, consider Curzon trying to deal with a Klingon hero and trying to get anywhere, he is more likely to end up on the end of some Klingon disruptor bolt. This is a very different timeline and the consequences that come with such a thing.
The Prophets don't care about a single life unless it's someone important enough to them and even then it's a question mark what their motivations are for this recently risen character.
It's possible there could be a replicant of Jadzia out there. There was a Paradan at Jadzia's bachelorette party, it could of been possible this Paradan managed to get what they needed from her.
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I actually wonder if each of the servitor races of the Iconians were responsible for specific quadrants of space, and the Hur'q might have been the race that watched over the Gamma quad. Though I also would not be surprised if it is revealed that the Hur'(if they are a servitor race) was the first such servitor race to be created by the Iconians. Also if you look at the two major servitor races that the Iconians used, the Solanae were a science caste while the Elachi were more of a warrior caste, and so if the Hur'q were a servitor race I think they might have been the engineer caste (what do you think they might be as a caste for the Iconians.).
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That implies there is another dyson sphere out there and that the Hur'q built these things and any new gates in collaboration with the Solanae for the tricky science stuff that goes hand on hand with engineering using Iconian blueprints.
if the Hur'q are the engineers of the servitor races, they would know more than anyone what technology is and how to use is to the best effect. It could quite possibly mean that the Hur'q are probably the most destructive of the three because they understand the mechanics behind all of these iconian creations past the Iconian fall. if they added some of that knowledge to their own ships and vehicles, it would be no wonder the Dominion lost the war with them.
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Oh I actually mean that in the wiki it is listed that the Solonae are said to be the science caste, while the Elachi are the warrior caste, but I see the Herald as more generals or tacticians. Even though it is stated that the Solanae created the Bluegill, it would have been interesting with how talented it seems the Hur'q are for genetic engineering if the Bluegill were their creation (this is also under the idea of the Hur'q being a servitor race).
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Also I remember when we first went to the world the crystals were on with the temple-like structure or holding site for the crystals. In the chamber before you go into the main chamber with the crystals you can see on the wall paintings that they show a depiction of the crystals we find there on one above the painting, and then on the other you can see a depiction of a crystal with six protrusions jutting out of it. I wonder what that second imagine is a depiction is of, since it does not look like we have seen anything like it yet.
Tholians act a bit like a bee colony, a single queen with a population of young tholians. it's possible the queen spawns new crystal like eggs in birthing pods and then they hatch, possibly a tiny tholian running around and over time it gets larger and larger once it takes down what it needs. some form of energy?
Tholians are very aggressive when it comes to what they consider theirs. they wouldn't willingly abandon their own eggs on a planet that is so cold anyway. Tholians requires a specific heat requirement somewhere in the 300'c mark, minimum. If it's below that these crystalline entities will split and shatter, eggs with it.
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Oh yeah. I mean if we did not know or have lore on how they reproduce. Though the second part was more saying that maybe the Tholians are not the only crystalline race out there an these might be the eggs of that race, or might be a form of stasis chamber that another race (not the Tholians) used to keep their people safe an hidden away after having a war with the Tzenkethi. I mean i could see that being quite a reason for the Tzenkethi to attack places with these crystals if they knew they held the sleeping forms of an old enemy that they thought they destroyed in the past.
I could see it being a war or an accident with the Tholians an several ships that might have had crystal-eggs on them going to worlds that the Tholians were wanting to expand into were attacked an the eggs landed on different worlds kinda like how you see in the shows at times people landing on hostile worlds on accident. It would be a good guess to think that since the Tholians need such high temps than their eggs would, but in nature that is not always true with some creature's eggs an young needing to slowly grow into being able to take that kind of temperature/pressure what have you. An who knows if a group of Tholians believed that if the crystal-eggs they had on board might be destroyed, they might hide them on a wold that at the time was uninhabited. Though this is all speculating, and also off-topic.