"Defensive capability" or as the Terran empire calls it "A freaking warship"
My favorite thing is I think that Federation Starfleet is way better at war than Terran Starfleet.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
^Id be very interested in this. But take out the sensor array, subsystem targeting, secondary deflector, have it have a lt sci seat and two sci console slots then its good. Basically be a destroyer or light battlecruiser.
An explorer vessel with "extremely powerful and destructive arsenal", comparable to a warbird, makes the Galaxy-class a warship too.
It doesn't, it just shows that your vision on the topic is extremely limited and most importantly contradictionary to actual canon.
Regarding the Intrepid, anyone bothered to quote this yet?
"The USS Voyager is the newest Federation starship. It is an Intrepid class vessel, one of the fastest and most powerful in the Starfleet. It continues the tradition of exploration and discovery, established by Captain James Kirk on the USS Enterprise nearly a century ago.
(...)
The original mission of Voyager was primarily exploration and research, and it was superbly equipped for both. Fot those occasions when a show of military force is unavoidable, the ship is equipped with an impressive array of defensive and offensive weapons
(...)"
Taken from the unpublished Voyager Technical Manual which describes the premise of the show on page 10.
At this point it's simply bickering about semantics and people claiming that "exploration" is something you do absolutely unarmed and once you pick up a phaser you are a warmongering maniac. If anyone at this point still argues against the multi-functionality of Starfleet, their ships or the premise of the show itself it's simply trolling.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Star fleet vessels have always been multi-role and a throwaway line that's a joke in VOY doesn't change that. Read the Jayce's article about the Pathfinder:
In PUG queues, I find my Pathfinder is more of a versatile support vessel. If some escort is getting beat up, toss a Science Team on it, and take some of the heat off of it because with the Science shields, I can take the hits that it can't.
If some big slow cruiser is being plagued by some smaller faster craft, move in and GWIII some of the "adds".
And with Photonic Fleet and the Aeroshuttle, I can lay out some hurt alongside those cruisers and escorts. I don't need to cower behind Tanks and Rangers/Rogues/Hunters like some Robe wearing Healer in a fantasy MMO.
A ship like the Galaxy-class has a destructive and powerful armament because it's large enough to house a power-source that can support multiple heavy phasers without problems while also having plenty of storage for high amounts of torpedoes.
I liked that one statement from the Federation-intro of Birth of the Federation: "Our ships are not built to start wars, but to end them".
Meaning, even the biggest arsenal on the biggest Starfleet-ship is only meant as a last resort. Federation doesn't like war. Doesn't like fighting its neighbours. Having big, modern arsenals of weapons on big ships might make some of the less disciplined neighbours think twice about starting a riot, hm? Deterrence.
Worf even got court-martialed for making a technically situation-appropriate "tactical" decision (i.e. directly giving the order to fire on a ship decloaking in front of him after being attacked by other cloaking-capable ships).
I take this example as evidence that a Starfleet-captain is usually under orders to let an attacker shoot him until it's 100% clear that talking won't work. Only exception is an all-out war, which we've only seen once.
We can all play OP game of but it is canon. In the ds9 chapter where the Riker copy steals the Defiant. Gul Dukat said: Are you telling me that one of the most heavely armed warships of the quadrant is in the hands of the Maquis? Suggesting that the Defiant is something like a Scimitar of its era what it is not. Paris said it was build for combat performance, just like every other Starfleet ship. He did not mean that it was built just for combat performance.
Something I've noticed about 'olivia threads' is that they barely post in them. When it looks like it's about to wind down they jump in with an injection of conjecture and kickstarts the 'conversation' again. I have to agree with some of the other people here, this is bait. The whole thing is bait and olivia is sitting there with a bowl of popcorn watching the world burn.
Yes my good friend, another clickbait thread. But one that has sparked a discussion on the nature of Federation ships.
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Something I've noticed about 'olivia threads' is that they barely post in them. When it looks like it's about to wind down they jump in with an injection of conjecture and kickstarts the 'conversation' again. I have to agree with some of the other people here, this is bait. The whole thing is bait and olivia is sitting there with a bowl of popcorn watching the world burn.
Hmmm, to go to the trouble of writing all that content in her post just for sh*ts & giggles is verging on insanity. Then again, i think responding to a suspected troll thread with posts accusing it of being a troll thread is also mental. Talk about "hook, line & sink"
Lets look at another theory. Maybe, just maybe this is a genuine post, and the OP might be looking for genuine comments/responses. Some things in STO are a little counter-intuitive. For example, for my KDF Kink, on his ship he has quad disruptor cannons, but in the description, it says in bold letters "Phaser damage"! is this a daft typo, or do disruptors do the same damage as phasers? I don't require clarity on this as i can assume that it's a TRIBBLE-up by STO and therefore don't feel the subject warrants a post, but some people do. Also regarding the intermittent postings, are you all telling me that you sit at your monitors just refreshing the forum to keep on responding? if you do then it's you guys that need the professional help. i make a post, but it might be hours before I get a chance to respond, due to those pesky things called work, girlfriend, social life, other hobbies etc.
If you think it's a troll post, report it and stay silent on it. If you don't think it's a troll thread then respond in kind.
Scratch the "close" match, it is a perfect match! The wording may be slightly different between "built for combat performance" and "designed for combat" but the meaning is exactly the same.
Additionally, the evidence proves that the Galaxy-class, which is described as explorer, is a warship too.
Canonical evidence
In TNG: "The Enemy", Picard addresses Tomalak in a Romulan Warbird with this line:
PICARD: Commander, both our ships are ready to fight. We have two extremely powerful and destructive arsenals at our command. . . .
An explorer vessel with "extremely powerful and destructive arsenal", comparable to a warbird, makes the Galaxy-class a warship too.
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An explorer vessel with "extremely powerful and destructive arsenal", comparable to a warbird, makes the Galaxy-class a warship too.
Well this is a matter of perception. If I buy a Ferrari La Ferrari, and only used it to pop to the local shops at a leisurely 30 mph pace, does that make it a hypercar? Nope. If you buy a Pitbull terrier puppy, and raise him to be soft and cute, will that mean that he is still classed as dangerous? Again, nope.
The Galaxy Class starships were for deep space exploration. This means that they run the risk of bumping into some unfriendly sorts, and would need to defend themselves, hence why they always refer to their "defensive" capabilities. Yes in reality, the Galaxy Class are formidable, but that was not it's primary purpose.
A real world example for you. My mum used to own a brand new sporty BMW. On many occasions, she would pull up to traffic lights, and then she would have some spotty teenager pull up next to her in an old crappy hatchback, revving its tired tiny engine, offering her a "challenge". Instead of rising to it, she simply let him speed off. When I asked her why, she simply said "He knows what i've got under my bonnet, you know what i've got, and I know what i've got. So what have I got to prove?".
As you've pointed out, Picard uses this very same thought process in his "negotiations". He politely informs his antagonists what he's got up his sleeves, and the aggressor normally sulks off.
An explorer vessel with "extremely powerful and destructive arsenal", comparable to a warbird, makes the Galaxy-class a warship too.
Well this is a matter of perception. If I buy a Ferrari La Ferrari, and only used it to pop to the local shops at a leisurely 30 mph pace, does that make it a hypercar? Nope. If you buy a Pitbull terrier puppy, and raise him to be soft and cute, will that mean that he is still classed as dangerous? Again, nope.
The Galaxy Class starships were for deep space exploration. This means that they run the risk of bumping into some unfriendly sorts, and would need to defend themselves, hence why they always refer to their "defensive" capabilities. Yes in reality, the Galaxy Class are formidable, but that was not it's primary purpose.
A real world example for you. My mum used to own a brand new sporty BMW. On many occasions, she would pull up to traffic lights, and then she would have some spotty teenager pull up next to her in an old crappy hatchback, revving its tired tiny engine, offering her a "challenge". Instead of rising to it, she simply let him speed off. When I asked her why, she simply said "He knows what i've got under my bonnet, you know what i've got, and I know what i've got. So what have I got to prove?".
As you've pointed out, Picard uses this very same thought process in his "negotiations". He politely informs his antagonists what he's got up his sleeves, and the aggressor normally sulks off.
I never wrote that, I was trying to clean up the 100 quotes infront of the guy I was quoting.
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A ship like the Galaxy-class has a destructive and powerful armament because it's large enough to house a power-source that can support multiple heavy phasers without problems while also having plenty of storage for high amounts of torpedoes.
I liked that one statement from the Federation-intro of Birth of the Federation: "Our ships are not built to start wars, but to end them".
Meaning, even the biggest arsenal on the biggest Starfleet-ship is only meant as a last resort. Federation doesn't like war. Doesn't like fighting its neighbours. Having big, modern arsenals of weapons on big ships might make some of the less disciplined neighbours think twice about starting a riot, hm? Deterrence.
Worf even got court-martialed for making a technically situation-appropriate "tactical" decision (i.e. directly giving the order to fire on a ship decloaking in front of him after being attacked by other cloaking-capable ships).
I take this example as evidence that a Starfleet-captain is usually under orders to let an attacker shoot him until it's 100% clear that talking won't work. Only exception is an all-out war, which we've only seen once.
Not getting back onto the main debate, but just a quick FYI: Worf's action was not situationally appropriate -- that's why he was on trial... It may have been understandable, but that doesn't make it correct. The point which was made very clear by both O'Brien's testimony, and Sisko's lecture afterwards, was that as a commander you make damned sure of your target before giving the order to fire... Worf failed to do that...
Additionally, the evidence proves that the Galaxy-class, which is described as explorer, is a warship too.
yes because everyone puts children and non-starfleet dependents on a dedicated warship -.-
also, the Galaxy gets its **** shot off regularly anytime it meets an actual Warship, like said Romulan warbird or anything built by the Dominion.
@oliviaclaire I think your own BS is rotting your brain, your posts are getting worse and more ignorant than ever
Actually the Galaxy class did better than most Federation ships. Infact during the Dominion war only 1 Galaxy class was lost in combat and that was the Odyssey. Only other of the class lost was the Enterprise D, and really, kinda not surprising when the Duras sisters got the shield frequency of Enterprise.
Overall Galaxies were very EFFECTIVE warships. Though that was simply because of how large they were and how many weapons they put into the ship and even then, it was minimal to what really could be put on the ship.
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also, the Galaxy gets its **** shot off regularly anytime it meets an actual Warship, like said Romulan warbird or anything built by the Dominion.
@oliviaclaire I think your own BS is rotting your brain, your posts are getting worse and more ignorant than ever
Oh no - that old chestnut again?
Only one Galaxy class ship "gots its **** shot off" Vs the Dominion; the Odyssey. And that was because it was facing a foe they, at the time, knew NOTHING about using weapons that they were unfamiliar with that rendered their shields useless. A foe that knew what Starfleet could do quite well - and despite all this the Odyssey was still able to tank the attacks and attempt retreat under it's own power. Oh yes - and it was a damn kamikaze run that took her out and NO ship would have survived that.
Amazing what happens when shields get rendered useless. Just Ask reliant and the Original Enterprise about that. Or the Kelvine timeline Enterprise.
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Not getting back onto the main debate, but just a quick FYI: Worf's action was not situationally appropriate -- that's why he was on trial... It may have been understandable, but that doesn't make it correct. The point which was made very clear by both O'Brien's testimony, and Sisko's lecture afterwards, was that as a commander you make damned sure of your target before giving the order to fire... Worf failed to do that...
Normal thread may now resume...
"Technically tactically appropriate" does not mean "correct." It's a heavily qualified statement that intends to imply the other angles which you felt necessary to explain. We can tell that from the following (which you felt necessary not to highlight):
I take this example as evidence that a Starfleet-captain is usually under orders to let an attacker shoot him until it's 100% clear that talking won't work.
Which implicitly references the opinion that it's not acceptable for a Starfleet officer to make "technically tactically appropriate" decisions because they can come at a disastrous cost to innocent lives. Tactics are not what Starfleet is solely concerned with.
You may resume your normal activities.
(and this reply is only coming on the fact that you felt it necessary to drop a "I'll just leave this here" to quibble about a detail not in dispute and was only mentioned in support of another point. You may want to have your moment, but do consider the fact that other people are trying to have a discussion.)
Overall Galaxies were very EFFECTIVE warships. Though that was simply because of how large they were and how many weapons they put into the ship and even then, it was minimal to what really could be put on the ship.
To be fair though, they could also pretty unwieldy. The Galaxy was a large ship built with a lot of other roles in mind (ex. housing a significant civilian population.) It was a Federation powerhouse (very much so) but the Sovereign takes up the idea that you can have a ship like that but built a little more specifically to handle combat.
It'd be interesting to compare that, however, to the Odyssey, if anyone ever came up with a convincing set of stats for it. The overall design seems to imply that Starfleet wanted to go back a little more to the Galaxy model of Starfleet Cruisers (maybe not to the same degree, but backing off from the state they were in midst of the Dominion War. Either that or a more elaborate hull isn't quite as "tactically suboptimal" in 2410.)
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also, the Galaxy gets its **** shot off regularly anytime it meets an actual Warship, like said Romulan warbird or anything built by the Dominion.
@oliviaclaire I think your own BS is rotting your brain, your posts are getting worse and more ignorant than ever
Oh no - that old chestnut again?
Only one Galaxy class ship "gots its **** shot off" Vs the Dominion; the Odyssey. And that was because it was facing a foe they, at the time, knew NOTHING about using weapons that they were unfamiliar with that rendered their shields useless. A foe that knew what Starfleet could do quite well - and despite all this the Odyssey was still able to tank the attacks and attempt retreat under it's own power. Oh yes - and it was a damn kamikaze run that took her out and NO ship would have survived that.
Amazing what happens when shields get rendered useless. Just Ask reliant and the Original Enterprise about that. Or the Kelvine timeline Enterprise.
We also see this in-game. once your shields drop, you have to be heavy with hull heals, otherwise you just explode.
also, the Galaxy gets its **** shot off regularly anytime it meets an actual Warship, like said Romulan warbird or anything built by the Dominion.
@oliviaclaire I think your own BS is rotting your brain, your posts are getting worse and more ignorant than ever
Oh no - that old chestnut again?
Only one Galaxy class ship "gots its **** shot off" Vs the Dominion; the Odyssey. And that was because it was facing a foe they, at the time, knew NOTHING about using weapons that they were unfamiliar with that rendered their shields useless. A foe that knew what Starfleet could do quite well - and despite all this the Odyssey was still able to tank the attacks and attempt retreat under it's own power. Oh yes - and it was a damn kamikaze run that took her out and NO ship would have survived that.
Amazing what happens when shields get rendered useless. Just Ask reliant and the Original Enterprise about that. Or the Kelvine timeline Enterprise.
Or indeed Voyager during Year of Hell. Still maintain the point that the Odyssey stood her ground and her destruction was a by product of a Kamikaze run that would have done the same thing to ANY ship.
Indeed. There's no ship that can take that kind of hit and live. And had Odyssey not taken that hit, she'd of likely been able to withdraw.
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Indeed. There's no ship that can take that kind of hit and live. And had Odyssey not taken that hit, she'd of likely been able to withdraw.
Well the bug ship slammed itself into the deflector array and debris from the initial impact smashed the starboard nacelle to sh*t and back, so there was no possible way for the Oddy to recover.
When we are talking about impressive shield pens, I think my fave will always be the torp shot from Changs's BoP (Star Trek 6) went straight through the saucer. You even get a brief shot of the conference room being destroyed in the process.
Indeed. There's no ship that can take that kind of hit and live. And had Odyssey not taken that hit, she'd of likely been able to withdraw.
Well the bug ship slammed itself into the deflector array and debris from the initial impact smashed the starboard nacelle to sh*t and back, so there was no possible way for the Oddy to recover.
When we are talking about impressive shield pens, I think my fave will always be the torp shot from Changs's BoP (Star Trek 6) went straight through the saucer. You even get a brief shot of the conference room being destroyed in the process.
yeah poor Enterprise A. She got the holy living hell beat out of her in that fight, but atleast she got some vengeance in the end. Because you have to admit, it was an impressive shot of that BoP exploding.
But i'll always remember Sulu urging Excelsior faster.
Sulu: "come on come on!"
Helmsman: "She'll fly apart!"
Sulu: "FLY HER APART THEN!"
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Indeed. There's no ship that can take that kind of hit and live. And had Odyssey not taken that hit, she'd of likely been able to withdraw.
Well the bug ship slammed itself into the deflector array and debris from the initial impact smashed the starboard nacelle to sh*t and back, so there was no possible way for the Oddy to recover.
That's the sad thing - whilst I won't argue that the Odyssey would have survived the hit, it might have lasted just long enough to try an emergency saucer-separation had that piece of debris not hit the nacelle.
Even if she had, she wouldn't of been able to warp out Reyan. At that point Odyssey was screwed.
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Not getting back onto the main debate, but just a quick FYI: Worf's action was not situationally appropriate -- that's why he was on trial... It may have been understandable, but that doesn't make it correct. The point which was made very clear by both O'Brien's testimony, and Sisko's lecture afterwards, was that as a commander you make damned sure of your target before giving the order to fire... Worf failed to do that...
Normal thread may now resume...
"Technically tactically appropriate" does not mean "correct." It's a heavily qualified statement that intends to imply the other angles which you felt necessary to explain. We can tell that from the following (which you felt necessary not to highlight):
I take this example as evidence that a Starfleet-captain is usually under orders to let an attacker shoot him until it's 100% clear that talking won't work.
Which implicitly references the opinion that it's not acceptable for a Starfleet officer to make "technically tactically appropriate" decisions because they can come at a disastrous cost to innocent lives. Tactics are not what Starfleet is solely concerned with.
You may resume your normal activities.
(and this reply is only coming on the fact that you felt it necessary to drop a "I'll just leave this here" to quibble about a detail not in dispute and was only mentioned in support of another point. You may want to have your moment, but do consider the fact that other people are trying to have a discussion.)
Overall Galaxies were very EFFECTIVE warships. Though that was simply because of how large they were and how many weapons they put into the ship and even then, it was minimal to what really could be put on the ship.
To be fair though, they could also pretty unwieldy. The Galaxy was a large ship built with a lot of other roles in mind (ex. housing a significant civilian population.) It was a Federation powerhouse (very much so) but the Sovereign takes up the idea that you can have a ship like that but built a little more specifically to handle combat.
It'd be interesting to compare that, however, to the Odyssey, if anyone ever came up with a convincing set of stats for it. The overall design seems to imply that Starfleet wanted to go back a little more to the Galaxy model of Starfleet Cruisers (maybe not to the same degree, but backing off from the state they were in midst of the Dominion War. Either that or a more elaborate hull isn't quite as "tactically suboptimal" in 2410.)
Not getting back onto the main debate, but just a quick FYI: Worf's action was not situationally appropriate -- that's why he was on trial... It may have been understandable, but that doesn't make it correct. The point which was made very clear by both O'Brien's testimony, and Sisko's lecture afterwards, was that as a commander you make damned sure of your target before giving the order to fire... Worf failed to do that...
Normal thread may now resume...
"Technically tactically appropriate" does not mean "correct." It's a heavily qualified statement that intends to imply the other angles which you felt necessary to explain. We can tell that from the following (which you felt necessary not to highlight):
I take this example as evidence that a Starfleet-captain is usually under orders to let an attacker shoot him until it's 100% clear that talking won't work.
Which implicitly references the opinion that it's not acceptable for a Starfleet officer to make "technically tactically appropriate" decisions because they can come at a disastrous cost to innocent lives. Tactics are not what Starfleet is solely concerned with.
You may resume your normal activities.
(and this reply is only coming on the fact that you felt it necessary to drop a "I'll just leave this here" to quibble about a detail not in dispute and was only mentioned in support of another point. You may want to have your moment, but do consider the fact that other people are trying to have a discussion.)
I don't care if the detail was in dispute or not, it was wrong, no matter how it was phrased...
Worf did not 'get court-martialed for making a technically situation-appropriate "tactical" decision (i.e. directly giving the order to fire on a ship decloaking in front of him after being attacked by other cloaking-capable ships)' because there are absolutely no circumstances, where the order to fire on an improperly identified target, is correct. Period. It may be situationally understandable, ie Worf thought he saw a pattern emerging, the Red Mist descended, and he stopped thinking like a trained Starfleet officer... That's all there is to that situation. Worf was in the wrong. Plot 'let him off the hook', but he was wrong. So for someone to blithely post wordy nonsense like 'technically situation-appropriate "tactical" decision' is equally wrong, so needs correcting...
I ignored the second part of the comment, because that's just their own opinion of Starfleet officers, and they're entitled to it, but their comment about Worf, was simply incorrect...
And you think your desire to 'have a discussion', overrules my wish to 'leave a passing comment?' Fascinating...
Indeed. There's no ship that can take that kind of hit and live. And had Odyssey not taken that hit, she'd of likely been able to withdraw.
Well the bug ship slammed itself into the deflector array and debris from the initial impact smashed the starboard nacelle to sh*t and back, so there was no possible way for the Oddy to recover.
That's the sad thing - whilst I won't argue that the Odyssey would have survived the hit, it might have lasted just long enough to try an emergency saucer-separation had that piece of debris not hit the nacelle.
Even if she had, she wouldn't of been able to warp out Reyan. At that point Odyssey was screwed.
I know - but some of her crew might have at least survived.
Not likely, they dominion would of simply chased down the saucer and destroyed it. Remember, saucer can only move at sublight and not even very fast at that. Sure Enterprise D did a saucer separation at warp speed, but eventually that saucer dropped out of warp.
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My favorite thing is I think that Federation Starfleet is way better at war than Terran Starfleet.
Put it an "Alternate Reality Lockbox" or something...
Basically be a destroyer or light battlecruiser.
It doesn't, it just shows that your vision on the topic is extremely limited and most importantly contradictionary to actual canon.
Regarding the Intrepid, anyone bothered to quote this yet?
"The USS Voyager is the newest Federation starship. It is an Intrepid class vessel, one of the fastest and most powerful in the Starfleet. It continues the tradition of exploration and discovery, established by Captain James Kirk on the USS Enterprise nearly a century ago.
(...)
The original mission of Voyager was primarily exploration and research, and it was superbly equipped for both. Fot those occasions when a show of military force is unavoidable, the ship is equipped with an impressive array of defensive and offensive weapons
(...)"
Taken from the unpublished Voyager Technical Manual which describes the premise of the show on page 10.
At this point it's simply bickering about semantics and people claiming that "exploration" is something you do absolutely unarmed and once you pick up a phaser you are a warmongering maniac. If anyone at this point still argues against the multi-functionality of Starfleet, their ships or the premise of the show itself it's simply trolling.
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In PUG queues, I find my Pathfinder is more of a versatile support vessel. If some escort is getting beat up, toss a Science Team on it, and take some of the heat off of it because with the Science shields, I can take the hits that it can't.
If some big slow cruiser is being plagued by some smaller faster craft, move in and GWIII some of the "adds".
And with Photonic Fleet and the Aeroshuttle, I can lay out some hurt alongside those cruisers and escorts. I don't need to cower behind Tanks and Rangers/Rogues/Hunters like some Robe wearing Healer in a fantasy MMO.
I liked that one statement from the Federation-intro of Birth of the Federation: "Our ships are not built to start wars, but to end them".
Meaning, even the biggest arsenal on the biggest Starfleet-ship is only meant as a last resort. Federation doesn't like war. Doesn't like fighting its neighbours. Having big, modern arsenals of weapons on big ships might make some of the less disciplined neighbours think twice about starting a riot, hm? Deterrence.
Worf even got court-martialed for making a technically situation-appropriate "tactical" decision (i.e. directly giving the order to fire on a ship decloaking in front of him after being attacked by other cloaking-capable ships).
I take this example as evidence that a Starfleet-captain is usually under orders to let an attacker shoot him until it's 100% clear that talking won't work. Only exception is an all-out war, which we've only seen once.
Paris said it was build for combat performance, just like every other Starfleet ship. He did not mean that it was built just for combat performance.
Yes my good friend, another clickbait thread. But one that has sparked a discussion on the nature of Federation ships.
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Hmmm, to go to the trouble of writing all that content in her post just for sh*ts & giggles is verging on insanity. Then again, i think responding to a suspected troll thread with posts accusing it of being a troll thread is also mental. Talk about "hook, line & sink"
Lets look at another theory. Maybe, just maybe this is a genuine post, and the OP might be looking for genuine comments/responses. Some things in STO are a little counter-intuitive. For example, for my KDF Kink, on his ship he has quad disruptor cannons, but in the description, it says in bold letters "Phaser damage"! is this a daft typo, or do disruptors do the same damage as phasers? I don't require clarity on this as i can assume that it's a TRIBBLE-up by STO and therefore don't feel the subject warrants a post, but some people do. Also regarding the intermittent postings, are you all telling me that you sit at your monitors just refreshing the forum to keep on responding? if you do then it's you guys that need the professional help. i make a post, but it might be hours before I get a chance to respond, due to those pesky things called work, girlfriend, social life, other hobbies etc.
If you think it's a troll post, report it and stay silent on it. If you don't think it's a troll thread then respond in kind.
Simples.
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Well this is a matter of perception. If I buy a Ferrari La Ferrari, and only used it to pop to the local shops at a leisurely 30 mph pace, does that make it a hypercar? Nope. If you buy a Pitbull terrier puppy, and raise him to be soft and cute, will that mean that he is still classed as dangerous? Again, nope.
The Galaxy Class starships were for deep space exploration. This means that they run the risk of bumping into some unfriendly sorts, and would need to defend themselves, hence why they always refer to their "defensive" capabilities. Yes in reality, the Galaxy Class are formidable, but that was not it's primary purpose.
A real world example for you. My mum used to own a brand new sporty BMW. On many occasions, she would pull up to traffic lights, and then she would have some spotty teenager pull up next to her in an old crappy hatchback, revving its tired tiny engine, offering her a "challenge". Instead of rising to it, she simply let him speed off. When I asked her why, she simply said "He knows what i've got under my bonnet, you know what i've got, and I know what i've got. So what have I got to prove?".
As you've pointed out, Picard uses this very same thought process in his "negotiations". He politely informs his antagonists what he's got up his sleeves, and the aggressor normally sulks off.
I never wrote that, I was trying to clean up the 100 quotes infront of the guy I was quoting.
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also, the Galaxy gets its TRIBBLE shot off regularly anytime it meets an actual Warship, like said Romulan warbird or anything built by the Dominion.
@oliviaclaire I think your own BS is rotting your brain, your posts are getting worse and more ignorant than ever
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Actually the Galaxy class did better than most Federation ships. Infact during the Dominion war only 1 Galaxy class was lost in combat and that was the Odyssey. Only other of the class lost was the Enterprise D, and really, kinda not surprising when the Duras sisters got the shield frequency of Enterprise.
Overall Galaxies were very EFFECTIVE warships. Though that was simply because of how large they were and how many weapons they put into the ship and even then, it was minimal to what really could be put on the ship.
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Amazing what happens when shields get rendered useless. Just Ask reliant and the Original Enterprise about that. Or the Kelvine timeline Enterprise.
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"Technically tactically appropriate" does not mean "correct." It's a heavily qualified statement that intends to imply the other angles which you felt necessary to explain. We can tell that from the following (which you felt necessary not to highlight):
Which implicitly references the opinion that it's not acceptable for a Starfleet officer to make "technically tactically appropriate" decisions because they can come at a disastrous cost to innocent lives. Tactics are not what Starfleet is solely concerned with.
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(and this reply is only coming on the fact that you felt it necessary to drop a "I'll just leave this here" to quibble about a detail not in dispute and was only mentioned in support of another point. You may want to have your moment, but do consider the fact that other people are trying to have a discussion.)
To be fair though, they could also pretty unwieldy. The Galaxy was a large ship built with a lot of other roles in mind (ex. housing a significant civilian population.) It was a Federation powerhouse (very much so) but the Sovereign takes up the idea that you can have a ship like that but built a little more specifically to handle combat.
It'd be interesting to compare that, however, to the Odyssey, if anyone ever came up with a convincing set of stats for it. The overall design seems to imply that Starfleet wanted to go back a little more to the Galaxy model of Starfleet Cruisers (maybe not to the same degree, but backing off from the state they were in midst of the Dominion War. Either that or a more elaborate hull isn't quite as "tactically suboptimal" in 2410.)
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We also see this in-game. once your shields drop, you have to be heavy with hull heals, otherwise you just explode.
Indeed. There's no ship that can take that kind of hit and live. And had Odyssey not taken that hit, she'd of likely been able to withdraw.
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Well the bug ship slammed itself into the deflector array and debris from the initial impact smashed the starboard nacelle to sh*t and back, so there was no possible way for the Oddy to recover.
When we are talking about impressive shield pens, I think my fave will always be the torp shot from Changs's BoP (Star Trek 6) went straight through the saucer. You even get a brief shot of the conference room being destroyed in the process.
yeah poor Enterprise A. She got the holy living hell beat out of her in that fight, but atleast she got some vengeance in the end. Because you have to admit, it was an impressive shot of that BoP exploding.
But i'll always remember Sulu urging Excelsior faster.
Sulu: "come on come on!"
Helmsman: "She'll fly apart!"
Sulu: "FLY HER APART THEN!"
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Even if she had, she wouldn't of been able to warp out Reyan. At that point Odyssey was screwed.
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Oddy stats in the more "pseudo-canon" format:
( https://indd.adobe.com/view/5d7ffcd8-7cf8-4561-a13a-5df451ef0511 )
Worf did not 'get court-martialed for making a technically situation-appropriate "tactical" decision (i.e. directly giving the order to fire on a ship decloaking in front of him after being attacked by other cloaking-capable ships)' because there are absolutely no circumstances, where the order to fire on an improperly identified target, is correct. Period. It may be situationally understandable, ie Worf thought he saw a pattern emerging, the Red Mist descended, and he stopped thinking like a trained Starfleet officer... That's all there is to that situation. Worf was in the wrong. Plot 'let him off the hook', but he was wrong. So for someone to blithely post wordy nonsense like 'technically situation-appropriate "tactical" decision' is equally wrong, so needs correcting...
I ignored the second part of the comment, because that's just their own opinion of Starfleet officers, and they're entitled to it, but their comment about Worf, was simply incorrect...
And you think your desire to 'have a discussion', overrules my wish to 'leave a passing comment?' Fascinating...
If you're going to cite Memory Alpha, then quote it properly:
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Not likely, they dominion would of simply chased down the saucer and destroyed it. Remember, saucer can only move at sublight and not even very fast at that. Sure Enterprise D did a saucer separation at warp speed, but eventually that saucer dropped out of warp.
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