For the same reason, probably, that they consider Star Trek Online 'Trek'.
I've never been a fan of the new movies and I think Abrams does not understand Star Trek at all and failed miserably at making a Trek movie by producing something that is basically just some generic action movie which uses Trek assets.
But honestly, are those movies that different from the game, with its heavy focus on action, special effects and the destruction of entire planets? If STO can be considered 'Star Trek' then I don't see why the new movies can't be considered as Trek.
So I don't really mind that they're bringing it to the game, as it fits well to a certain extent with regard to the heavy focus on action. But I do hope that the timelines and universes are kept separate on-screen (and by 'screen' I mean the movies and television series).
No Trek is without sin. Every series, movie, and form of media of Star Trek has done something just awful. So call them out on it fine but don't think what you like is any better.
Because Trek talked about issues in its series and the movie were big adventures (not often worthwhile) enjoyable for a broader audience but we(i) cared about thjose because i spent years understanding and getting to know the "trek" of that crew. JJ-trek didn't do that, they jettisoned the continuity to have more creativity freedom and then they used nods everywhere to "classic trek" up to the point to find themselves doing "wrath of khan 2" (at least partially) doing impactful things with characters that we are supposed to care for even if we didn't have the chance to learn to know (and they spend a lot of time highlighting that they're different from the ones we know so they cut even that connection). I watched both the movies and i enjoyed them, but their limits are far too big for me.
To quote a logically specific pointy eared saying: "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few." Then again, that line won't work every single time.
Some people often fail to see that the Kelvin Timeline is directed towards the new generation of Trekkies, just because you or other people grew up with TOS, TNG, DS9 ENT and not Kelvin Timeline, doesn't mean that it is not trek.
Simoly put: it may not be your trek, but it's my Trek.
but that's just it, it's NOT your trek, it's MY trek.
the first movie at least, was nothing more than a collection of ToS, TNG, and Enterprise quotes,wrapped around a decent Sci-Fi story base and flashy new visuals.
it doesn't fit the banner of Trek at all. it's just a shameless blockbuster lineup. I'd be fine with all of this if it were original, with homages to the old Trek, but put into TV form. not cheap in and out blockbuster movies.
It's nobody's trek. What is with the entitlement here? Did you make the shows and the movies? How about open minds enjoy the new series and old, crotchety people complain to their friends that the world isn't as great as it used to be.
Don't worry it's just a mission and a few ships and we can be done with it.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
... it's deserving of being called star trek because it's title is "Star Trek", and it follows the adventures of James Kirk, captain of the Enterprise.
I do hope we get more canon material in the prime universe, but JJ-trek is just as much Trek as TOS is.
Why would it have to fit? It's a new generation of Trek for new Trekkies, it's not for old Trekkies.
preach it sister.
One can tell that one is getting old when one can no longer keep up with the music, sayings and pop cultures, and when one can no longer understand the 16-29 year olds. This happened to me within the last few years. It makes one want to retire somewhere with only people one's own age and just watch old movies and tv shows until the lights go out.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Why always this bitternes about something getting rebooted for a new generation of people.
TOS was more like a space western for the time where people liked womanizers good old fist fights etc.
I love TOS but guess what if they stopped there called it a day and didnt make TNG most of us would not even know it at all.
TNG had the stamp of a new generation diplomacy over fighting as the cold war has ended and still in many cases a more darker relevent for that time tone.
DS9 and Voyager tried their own things in their times aswell with DS9 going abit more dystopian and action focused as often things didnt work like they did in TNG and Voyager was basically a survival series.
Then cam the archer enterprise trying out new things in going back in time before TOS showing origins and the birth of the federation.
Every trek had its highs and lows and thats why I keep loving this franshise so much.
So many SCI-FI series came and go many of them quite good in their own regards but at a point abandoned and now forgotten by most but a few people.
JJ Abrams blew life into this genre once more with soon 3 movies and finnaly a new series after a long time of nothing.
Some people sound like 80 year olds here, with their this is not my star trek anymore.
Well sorry to say, it never was yours.
Its everyones star trek nobody made you in charge of any of it it belongs to everyone.
And I am often glad such bitter people arent in charge of it rather have it die down then trying out new things.
As a fan you should live and feel the mantra of "Boldly go where no man was before" this is true for the series for the movies for everything Star Trek repesents.
Id rather have a live and kicking franshise that constandly tries to reinvent itself then something that only relies on the past memories.
Also remember movies cannot go as deep in a story as series can you need to take that into account and for that I think they did a fantastic job.
Im more exitred then ever to see where this franchise and game heads next for.
As for Nimoy even without him in it I would have liked the movies just as much he did a great preformance in them like he always did however star trek also never was just Nimoy either keep that in mind.
Cause if thats all star trek is and was for you you might now call it quits now.
I enjoyed the TOS for what it was. It was something to enjoy and just fun. When TNG came out, I liked it as well. It was new and took some getting used to. But it turned out a good one. DS9, I didn't like it at first cause it seemed too slow and dealing with a space station. However I loved it when the Dominion showed up and did the war. For once we had a real war on the show. I loved it all during that part, and it showed the nature of war. Voyager I loved it from start to end. It reminded me of the TOS and TNG in one. Enterprise, I liked it as well. For the movies: TMP, TWOK, VI, First Contact, Insurrection, and Nemesis are my favorites.
When JJ Spoof Trek came out, I did try to watch it when it came out on TV. I didn't like the trailers and saw it was rather a waste when it was in the theaters. Turned out I was right. The story was junk, the acting was horrid, the whole thing belongs in the toilet. For once in all my years of Trek, they came out with some serious toilet flushing stuff. I would rather if they came out with something really original and new. So I hope the new TV series will finally save Trek and bring it back.
Its good to see some people out there that enjoys it. As that is their generation type stuff. However it don't fit my generation of what Trek is. I just hope one day they will come out with a really good Trek to bring us all back together. That all the older fans and young alike will enjoy.
As for the game its good they are trying to fit it all generations of fans. This is why I like the game. So I can skip stuff if I don't like and get on with the parts I do. Do I call it Trek, kinda, but its something to enjoy when I have time to play.
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Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Why would it have to fit? It's a new generation of Trek for new Trekkies, it's not for old Trekkies.
preach it sister.
One can tell that one is getting old when one can no longer keep up with the music, sayings and pop cultures, and when one can no longer understand the 16-29 year olds. This happened to me within the last few years. It makes one want to retire somewhere with only people one's own age and just watch old movies and tv shows until the lights go out.
Hehe, I happen to be exactly between the age of 16 and 29, and I must admit that most modern music (at least the stuff that dominates the charts and the general radio channels) is utter TRIBBLE if you ask me
I think a key point the OP has over-looked is that every time time travel happened in all the series a NEW timeline was made. You only see the timeline through the original observer's eyes. We know different timelines exist in Star Trek because that's the observer effect. The original timeline for the characters ended the first moment they went back in time! Heck in First Contact you had 3 timelines in that film (Timeline 1 before the Borg went back. Timeline 2, assimilated Earth, viewed for about 2 minutes whilst the Enterprise was in the Temporal Vortex and Timeline 3, which the Enterprise series is based in, when the Enterprise went through the vortex.)
I could go on about Voyager and which 'temporal' version of the crew actually made it back to Earth, but it would take too long.
I can live with it, why can't others!?
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
Why would it have to fit? It's a new generation of Trek for new Trekkies, it's not for old Trekkies.
preach it sister.
One can tell that one is getting old when one can no longer keep up with the music, sayings and pop cultures, and when one can no longer understand the 16-29 year olds. This happened to me within the last few years. It makes one want to retire somewhere with only people one's own age and just watch old movies and tv shows until the lights go out.
Hehe, I happen to be exactly between the age of 16 and 29, and I must admit that most modern music (at least the stuff that dominates the charts and the general radio channels) is utter **** if you ask me
This is the same with me. I used to listen to country music until up around 2010. After that is just a bunch of junk and I can't listen to it. Meanwhile the younger generation eats it up.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
As for JJ Trek, Kelvin Trek or whatever one wants to call it:
I've come to accept that it's here and that it won't go away. And perhaps it's not that bad. What I do feel that should be more the focus of new movies and series, are the social critiques, the stories with a deeper meaning that allow for useful discussion.
Most of the movies were just newer and more modern versions of already told adventures. It may help in attracting new people to the franchise and it may be important from a business point of view, but as a work of art or literature, I don't see the added value in retelling already told stories.
Beside this loss of focus on social matters which got exchanged for generic action and pleasure, I will always consider the destruction of Vulcan as the worst decision one could make while being in charge of Trek. The Vulcans are, beside the Klingons maybe, the single most important thing that people know from the Trek universe, even if they do not care about Trek. They were one of the most developed cultures in the whole franchise and even the president of the United States commented when the actor that portrayed the most well known Vulcan passed away.
Those are two of my critiques when it comes to the new Trek movies. The former may and hopefully will be corrected with the new series as there are some veterans on board now who may add some much needed deeper sense to the stories.
The latter will always represent to me that Abrams did not care about Trek at all. He may be a good film maker, he may be a good business man, but if you destroy and ruin one of the most important, well developed and widely recognised aspects of a franchise, then you'd better go do something else and leave said franchise alone. In my opinion.
On another note......V'ger is still on it's way, as is the Whale Probe.
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
As for JJ Trek, Kelvin Trek or whatever one wants to call it:
I've come to accept that it's here and that it won't go away. And perhaps it's not that bad. What I do feel that should be more the focus of new movies and series, are the social critiques, the stories with a deeper meaning that allow for useful discussion.
Most of the movies were just newer and more modern versions of already told adventures. It may help in attracting new people to the franchise and it may be important from a business point of view, but as a work of art or literature, I don't see the added value in retelling already told stories.
Beside this loss of focus on social matters which got exchanged for generic action and pleasure, I will always consider the destruction of Vulcan as the worst decision one could make while being in charge of Trek. The Vulcans are, beside the Klingons maybe, the single most important thing that people know from the Trek universe, even if they do not care about Trek. They were one of the most developed cultures in the whole franchise and even the president of the United States commented when the actor that portrayed the most well known Vulcan passed away.
Those are two of my critiques when it comes to the new Trek movies. The former may and hopefully will be corrected with the new series as there are some veterans on board now who may add some much needed deeper sense to the stories.
The latter will always represent to me that Abrams did not care about Trek at all. He may be a good film maker, he may be a good business man, but if you destroy and ruin one of the most important, well developed and widely recognised aspects of a franchise, then you'd better go do something else and leave said franchise alone. In my opinion.
Your right.
JJ came out saying he didn't care for Star Trek back when the first JJ trek came out. That he preferred Star Wars. This here set the stage, he was in it for the $. A person who loves something and works with it. Shows compassion and it shows. A person who don't care for it, and works with it. They show garbage work and have a horrible attitude towards it.
Like you said, this is why we have the divide between the young and older fans.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
I love the way some people like to pretend like before JJ, Star Trek was some great model of perfect story telling that never had any flaws at all. Star Trek, all of them.. had highs and lows, even the great TOS series brought us movies like Star Trek; The Motion Picture and let us not forget.. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. The opening credits of any JJ movie blow those piles of TRIBBLE right out of the water.
I have been a Trek fan for a very long time, I like old and new Trek because I accept them both for what they are. They all have strengths and weaknesses and the the 'JJ Trek' is no different. In the end, it's considered part of Star Trek for one reason only..
The direction of this game fits perfectly with JJ verse Trek. The thing is everyone has a choice as how you play the game. Its easy to ignore JJ stuff if you want to. Taking this game to seriously will give you a heart attack. You just have to let it go.
I doubt anyone would claim that the 'older' Trek had no flaws at all.
Of course it had, all works of art and cultural expressions do. But that doesn't mean, that just because older Trek had it flaws, that we cannot point out the flaws of JJ/Kelvin Trek.
Such reasoning never made much sense to me. If we follow that line of reasoning, then all debates and discussions on works of literature, movies or music are doomed from the start because you can always say that something else also has its flaws.
Of course it had, all works of art and cultural expressions do. But that doesn't mean, that just because older Trek had it flaws, that we cannot point out the flaws of JJ/Kelvin Trek.
What it means is that it's silly to disqualify one series based on flaws when the series established as 'the standard' suffers many of the same flaws.
Both have good and bad, both are valid. Rather the OP likes it or not.
Why would it have to fit? It's a new generation of Trek for new Trekkies, it's not for old Trekkies.
preach it sister.
One can tell that one is getting old when one can no longer keep up with the music, sayings and pop cultures, and when one can no longer understand the 16-29 year olds. This happened to me within the last few years. It makes one want to retire somewhere with only people one's own age and just watch old movies and tv shows until the lights go out.
Hehe, I happen to be exactly between the age of 16 and 29, and I must admit that most modern music (at least the stuff that dominates the charts and the general radio channels) is utter **** if you ask me
18 here, and I despise most modern music and JJTrek. (But, for the most part, not JJTrek's music. Breaded eggs indeed - go figure.) I think that blows a hole in the 'younger generation' theory, or at least dents it with exceptions.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Why would it have to fit? It's a new generation of Trek for new Trekkies, it's not for old Trekkies.
preach it sister.
One can tell that one is getting old when one can no longer keep up with the music, sayings and pop cultures, and when one can no longer understand the 16-29 year olds. This happened to me within the last few years. It makes one want to retire somewhere with only people one's own age and just watch old movies and tv shows until the lights go out.
Almost 30 here, still love modern rock just as much as the rock I grew up with, and I actually like today's pop better than I did back when I was in highschool.
I always have, and always will be of the opinion that you can't spell c.rap without rap though. Never enjoyed any of it.
I love the way some people like to pretend like before JJ, Star Trek was some great model of perfect story telling that never had any flaws at all. Star Trek, all of them.. had highs and lows, even the great TOS series brought us movies like Star Trek; The Motion Picture and let us not forget.. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. The opening credits of any JJ movie blow those piles of **** right out of the water.
I have been a Trek fan for a very long time, I like old and new Trek because I accept them both for what they are. They all have strengths and weaknesses and the the 'JJ Trek' is no different. In the end, it's considered part of Star Trek for one reason only..
Because it is.
Get over it.
Some people are like that, that is what makes us who we are. We all are different. And yes they did have some horrible shows and movies over the years.
To me the fly by scene seeing the Enterprise Refit in dock for the 1st time was the most epic shot ever. No JJ will even come close!
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
The last music I liked was the 1900's and the Decemberists oh and the National. Before that SilverSun Pickups. But that's all old now isn't it? You know, I think my disconnect began when everyone (especially Yahoo) kept pointing out what the Kardashions were doing, wearing, TRIBBLE etc... I think something snapped inside me gulliver. But a couple of you youngsters are giving me some faith and hope. Keep on Trekkin.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
The last music I liked was the 1900's and the Decemberists oh and the National. Before that SilverSun Pickups. But that's all old now isn't it? You know, I think my disconnect began when everyone (especially Yahoo) kept pointing out what the Kardashions were doing, wearing, **** etc... I think something snapped inside me gulliver. But a couple of you youngsters are giving me some faith and hope. Keep on Trekkin.
Yeah the Kardashians' popularity baffles me, their only claim to fame is that their father was part of the defense team in the OJ Simpson trial. They've never actually accomplished anything, at all.
Because we all like different things. Because we all have different views. The problem is we no longer tolerate different ideas and this is especially sad when talking about Star Trek fans.
My personal view is Star Trek is the TOS and TOS movies. I don't like TNG. I enjoyed DS9 and barely watch the other two series. If I had my way there would be no TNG...but the fact remains that TNG brought in a lot of new fans. A lot of people in this thread and on this website would not be here if it wasn't for TNG. I respect that. If Picard or Sisko or Janeway or even Archer is your captain and made you a fan of Star Trek...then welcome to the fandom.
The same needs to be done for the new movies. It's not what we have seen before because BY DESIGN it's not supposed to be what we seen before. Instead of shunning it and it's fans we need to be welcoming it into the fandom.
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Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
The last music I liked was the 1900's and the Decemberists oh and the National. Before that SilverSun Pickups. But that's all old now isn't it? You know, I think my disconnect began when everyone (especially Yahoo) kept pointing out what the Kardashions were doing, wearing, **** etc... I think something snapped inside me gulliver. But a couple of you youngsters are giving me some faith and hope. Keep on Trekkin.
Yeah the Kardashians' popularity baffles me, their only claim to fame is that their father was part of the defense team in the OJ Simpson trial. They've never actually accomplished anything, at all.
Well, and they conquered Bajor. Okay, that was apparently not very difficult and they didn't manage to keep it, but it's something, isn't it?
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I've never been a fan of the new movies and I think Abrams does not understand Star Trek at all and failed miserably at making a Trek movie by producing something that is basically just some generic action movie which uses Trek assets.
But honestly, are those movies that different from the game, with its heavy focus on action, special effects and the destruction of entire planets? If STO can be considered 'Star Trek' then I don't see why the new movies can't be considered as Trek.
So I don't really mind that they're bringing it to the game, as it fits well to a certain extent with regard to the heavy focus on action. But I do hope that the timelines and universes are kept separate on-screen (and by 'screen' I mean the movies and television series).
It's nobody's trek. What is with the entitlement here? Did you make the shows and the movies? How about open minds enjoy the new series and old, crotchety people complain to their friends that the world isn't as great as it used to be.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
I do hope we get more canon material in the prime universe, but JJ-trek is just as much Trek as TOS is.
preach it sister.
One can tell that one is getting old when one can no longer keep up with the music, sayings and pop cultures, and when one can no longer understand the 16-29 year olds. This happened to me within the last few years. It makes one want to retire somewhere with only people one's own age and just watch old movies and tv shows until the lights go out.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
TOS was more like a space western for the time where people liked womanizers good old fist fights etc.
I love TOS but guess what if they stopped there called it a day and didnt make TNG most of us would not even know it at all.
TNG had the stamp of a new generation diplomacy over fighting as the cold war has ended and still in many cases a more darker relevent for that time tone.
DS9 and Voyager tried their own things in their times aswell with DS9 going abit more dystopian and action focused as often things didnt work like they did in TNG and Voyager was basically a survival series.
Then cam the archer enterprise trying out new things in going back in time before TOS showing origins and the birth of the federation.
Every trek had its highs and lows and thats why I keep loving this franshise so much.
So many SCI-FI series came and go many of them quite good in their own regards but at a point abandoned and now forgotten by most but a few people.
JJ Abrams blew life into this genre once more with soon 3 movies and finnaly a new series after a long time of nothing.
Some people sound like 80 year olds here, with their this is not my star trek anymore.
Well sorry to say, it never was yours.
Its everyones star trek nobody made you in charge of any of it it belongs to everyone.
And I am often glad such bitter people arent in charge of it rather have it die down then trying out new things.
As a fan you should live and feel the mantra of "Boldly go where no man was before" this is true for the series for the movies for everything Star Trek repesents.
Id rather have a live and kicking franshise that constandly tries to reinvent itself then something that only relies on the past memories.
Also remember movies cannot go as deep in a story as series can you need to take that into account and for that I think they did a fantastic job.
Im more exitred then ever to see where this franchise and game heads next for.
As for Nimoy even without him in it I would have liked the movies just as much he did a great preformance in them like he always did however star trek also never was just Nimoy either keep that in mind.
Cause if thats all star trek is and was for you you might now call it quits now.
When JJ Spoof Trek came out, I did try to watch it when it came out on TV. I didn't like the trailers and saw it was rather a waste when it was in the theaters. Turned out I was right. The story was junk, the acting was horrid, the whole thing belongs in the toilet. For once in all my years of Trek, they came out with some serious toilet flushing stuff. I would rather if they came out with something really original and new. So I hope the new TV series will finally save Trek and bring it back.
Its good to see some people out there that enjoys it. As that is their generation type stuff. However it don't fit my generation of what Trek is. I just hope one day they will come out with a really good Trek to bring us all back together. That all the older fans and young alike will enjoy.
As for the game its good they are trying to fit it all generations of fans. This is why I like the game. So I can skip stuff if I don't like and get on with the parts I do. Do I call it Trek, kinda, but its something to enjoy when I have time to play.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Hehe, I happen to be exactly between the age of 16 and 29, and I must admit that most modern music (at least the stuff that dominates the charts and the general radio channels) is utter TRIBBLE if you ask me
I could go on about Voyager and which 'temporal' version of the crew actually made it back to Earth, but it would take too long.
I can live with it, why can't others!?
This is the same with me. I used to listen to country music until up around 2010. After that is just a bunch of junk and I can't listen to it. Meanwhile the younger generation eats it up.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
I've come to accept that it's here and that it won't go away. And perhaps it's not that bad. What I do feel that should be more the focus of new movies and series, are the social critiques, the stories with a deeper meaning that allow for useful discussion.
Most of the movies were just newer and more modern versions of already told adventures. It may help in attracting new people to the franchise and it may be important from a business point of view, but as a work of art or literature, I don't see the added value in retelling already told stories.
Beside this loss of focus on social matters which got exchanged for generic action and pleasure, I will always consider the destruction of Vulcan as the worst decision one could make while being in charge of Trek. The Vulcans are, beside the Klingons maybe, the single most important thing that people know from the Trek universe, even if they do not care about Trek. They were one of the most developed cultures in the whole franchise and even the president of the United States commented when the actor that portrayed the most well known Vulcan passed away.
Those are two of my critiques when it comes to the new Trek movies. The former may and hopefully will be corrected with the new series as there are some veterans on board now who may add some much needed deeper sense to the stories.
The latter will always represent to me that Abrams did not care about Trek at all. He may be a good film maker, he may be a good business man, but if you destroy and ruin one of the most important, well developed and widely recognised aspects of a franchise, then you'd better go do something else and leave said franchise alone. In my opinion.
Your right.
JJ came out saying he didn't care for Star Trek back when the first JJ trek came out. That he preferred Star Wars. This here set the stage, he was in it for the $. A person who loves something and works with it. Shows compassion and it shows. A person who don't care for it, and works with it. They show garbage work and have a horrible attitude towards it.
Like you said, this is why we have the divide between the young and older fans.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
I have been a Trek fan for a very long time, I like old and new Trek because I accept them both for what they are. They all have strengths and weaknesses and the the 'JJ Trek' is no different. In the end, it's considered part of Star Trek for one reason only..
Because it is.
Get over it.
I doubt anyone would claim that the 'older' Trek had no flaws at all.
Of course it had, all works of art and cultural expressions do. But that doesn't mean, that just because older Trek had it flaws, that we cannot point out the flaws of JJ/Kelvin Trek.
Such reasoning never made much sense to me. If we follow that line of reasoning, then all debates and discussions on works of literature, movies or music are doomed from the start because you can always say that something else also has its flaws.
What it means is that it's silly to disqualify one series based on flaws when the series established as 'the standard' suffers many of the same flaws.
Both have good and bad, both are valid. Rather the OP likes it or not.
18 here, and I despise most modern music and JJTrek. (But, for the most part, not JJTrek's music. Breaded eggs indeed - go figure.) I think that blows a hole in the 'younger generation' theory, or at least dents it with exceptions.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Nothing more needs to be said.
Almost 30 here, still love modern rock just as much as the rock I grew up with, and I actually like today's pop better than I did back when I was in highschool.
I always have, and always will be of the opinion that you can't spell c.rap without rap though. Never enjoyed any of it.
Some people are like that, that is what makes us who we are. We all are different. And yes they did have some horrible shows and movies over the years.
To me the fly by scene seeing the Enterprise Refit in dock for the 1st time was the most epic shot ever. No JJ will even come close!
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Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Yeah the Kardashians' popularity baffles me, their only claim to fame is that their father was part of the defense team in the OJ Simpson trial. They've never actually accomplished anything, at all.
My personal view is Star Trek is the TOS and TOS movies. I don't like TNG. I enjoyed DS9 and barely watch the other two series. If I had my way there would be no TNG...but the fact remains that TNG brought in a lot of new fans. A lot of people in this thread and on this website would not be here if it wasn't for TNG. I respect that. If Picard or Sisko or Janeway or even Archer is your captain and made you a fan of Star Trek...then welcome to the fandom.
The same needs to be done for the new movies. It's not what we have seen before because BY DESIGN it's not supposed to be what we seen before. Instead of shunning it and it's fans we need to be welcoming it into the fandom.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Well, and they conquered Bajor. Okay, that was apparently not very difficult and they didn't manage to keep it, but it's something, isn't it?