That's not entirely true.
They are getting stuff, just not Faction Specific stuff.
And they will still be able to play all the new missions and whatnot added to the game.
He said that the Klingons and the Romulans are not members of the Federation in 2270 (when this expansion takes place) so it doesn't make any sense for them to be included beyond the Time Travel aspects of it.
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That's not entirely true.
They are getting stuff, just not Faction Specific stuff.
And they will still be able to play all the new missions and whatnot added to the game.
He said that the Klingons and the Romulans are not members of the Federation in 2270 (when this expansion takes place) so it doesn't make any sense for them to be included beyond the Time Travel aspects of it.
Thats why I said "aint gettin much" instead of "nothing"
They also have lockbox and Lobi ships and I'll bet they know exactly who has bought what... so they can extrapolate a lot more information then people seem to think. They know which ships types sell and to whom.
Let's face it. Fed players are all the devs really care about. Romulan and klank players are expected to play second fiddle both with regards to content, and especially in the plot-- in the plot we only seem to be there to make the ~glorious federation~ look better.
Well, the thing with cyptic I noticed they like to make one faction and work with only one faction. Maybe because they don't have the people to work on three factions. I blame perfectworld for this. Its a Chinese company and it does not care at all about those that play its games. They are only interested in one thing money. Cryptic is owned by this company and controled by it as well.
They have to do what perfect world has told them to do." All they care about is money, but there is one thing that could maybe change this and force them to make the other factions better and on pare with the federation. Cbs and peramount need to step in and say we allow you to use our assets but in turn you can't focus on just feds. Now you have to go and do romulan and klingon stuff for now.
If cbs and paramount does this then maybe we can see some changes. I do think cryptic needs to stop focusing on what makes them money and start focusing on what players want. Only then will cryptic and perfectworld make money. Otherwise this game will die if they just focus on feds and no one else. They need to balance out the factions make them equal, they need to make the romulan republic a full faction. Also they need to add tos klingon and romulan factions not just the fed version. Sorry but startrek is not all about fed. Maybe its using the fed viewpoint in the shows but they need to focus on other view points.
Roms and Klings need far more then whats been given I don't think they should be allowed to focus on fed til they make changes to bring all the factions up to par.
Okay, read this thread and want clarification on one major point for me: Isn't the Eternal-class part of the new pack and if it's T6, can someone confirm that for me? That may be the tipping point for me to buy the pack. I've got the money, give me a reason and a place to spend it. Well... the pack, an LTS, and potentially the T6 Scimitar pack in the near future. So back to the original question about the Eternal-class, any details on that?
Okay, read this thread and want clarification on one major point for me: Isn't the Eternal-class part of the new pack and if it's T6, can someone confirm that for me? That may be the tipping point for me to buy the pack. I've got the money, give me a reason and a place to spend it. Well... the pack, an LTS, and potentially the T6 Scimitar pack in the near future. So back to the original question about the Eternal-class, any details on that?
it's part of the big pack and is surpposed to be cross faction... that is everything we have on it.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Okay, read this thread and want clarification on one major point for me: Isn't the Eternal-class part of the new pack and if it's T6, can someone confirm that for me? That may be the tipping point for me to buy the pack. I've got the money, give me a reason and a place to spend it. Well... the pack, an LTS, and potentially the T6 Scimitar pack in the near future. So back to the original question about the Eternal-class, any details on that?
It is part of the $130 pack, its t6, its cross faction, and will probably be available for sale on its own in the Z-store.(based on the wording for the pack itself)
Tell us, were the Klingons or the Romulans part of the Federation in 2270?
And also, the TOS Exclusive stuff will end at level 50. (so it's not a 'Full Faction')
At that point the TOS Toons will be playing all the stuff already in the game.
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The Eternal is a full T6 science vessel that can be used by all factions. Best guess is it takes after the Wells in many ways besides just design lineage so expect a 5/3/3 console split and a balanced BOFF layout likely with a universal LTCMDR. In other words it'll be a very nice science ship. It may or may not let you use faction skins I can't say for sure.
Might I suggest that we stop assuming that and, while accepting we certainly will get less than the Feds as we always have, that it is to be expected that we will receive at least a steady trickle of new content alongside the fatter pipeline the Feds get? The last thing we need is for us to throw up our hands and give up.
Yes, just accept your red-headed stepchildness and be happy with whatever leftovers you get! Muhahaha!
Sometimes I think I play STO just to have something to complain about on the forums.
Instead, let's actively push for creative ideas that will give us more of what we want for less of Cryptic's almighty dollar.
I think that's asking for too much.
If they want to do something for relatively nothing, then Cryptic should boost Dil rewards Redside.
Have N'Vak reward UR/Gold stuffs.
If they couldn't drag the sizable Fed converts to the KDF by now then doing these things will offset their hindrance to commit resources.
TL:dr - Make playing KDF/Rom more enjoyable for the existing Redside playerbase.
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Let's face it. Fed players are all the devs really care about. Romulan and klank players are expected to play second fiddle both with regards to content, and especially in the plot-- in the plot we only seem to be there to make the ~glorious federation~ look better.
The term "Fed" player (or KDF player or Romulan player) is also a misleading term.
Players can make characters of any faction. No one is locked into it. Everything Cryptic adds they add for all the players. It just doesn't always benefit all characters.
If someone wants to lock into just playing one faction, that's their free choice. If you limit yourself to only part of the game, then that is exactly what you get - only part of the game. You can choose to play exclusively Zerg in Starcraft 2, but then you can't complain if the Protoss expansion doesn't contain much for you. But if you're a Starcraft 2 player, that expansion is pretty cool.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
Instead, let's actively push for creative ideas that will give us more of what we want for less of Cryptic's almighty dollar.
I think that's asking for too much.
If they want to do something for relatively nothing, then Cryptic should boost Dil rewards Redside.
Have N'Vak reward UR/Gold stuffs.
If they couldn't drag the sizable Fed converts to the KDF by now then doing these things will offset their hindrance to commit resources.
TL:dr - Make playing KDF/Rom more enjoyable for the existing Redside playerbase.
You mean do things like give the KDF easy access to contraband and something useful to do with prisoners? Or a highly desired console on a low tier C-Store ship that others have to scrounge from the Exchange for hefty EC?
Yeah, that should really do wonders for the KDF. Cryptic should get onto that.
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I look at it this way: for the price it would take to get all the fed stuff i can get all the kdf and rom stuff and still have tons left over. So I say TRIBBLE feds let them be the whales. Im fine with my kdf/rom collection of ships that can cloak and don't look like flying toilet seat lids.
This has to do with the unique character of KDF players-we're a bunch of stubborn, masochistic SOBs (not the PvP fleet, the 'colourful metaphor' translation instead).
we stay anyway, we're not cut out to just quit, no matter the treatment...
So exactly like the PvP crowd, you don't actually need any support, you stay in the game anyway. You happily cry and moan and go through all your old grievances again and again. Keeping you in the game costs nothing, and whether adding KDF content or ships will actually gain Cryptic as much as adding FED content or ships is questionable.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
I won't give in... I've planned to be here until the end as I want to watch the galaxy burn, no matter what, Gekos blatent fed pandering be dammned
Looking at it, it'll be like the past where you needed to be this tall (metaphorically speaking) to enter the kdf; the underdogs without all the toys hone their craft and find inventive new ways to do things while being proud they don't get everything on the plate served by a dev
I hope the Rommies end up like that too, well the kdfroms at least...
Let's face it. Fed players are all the devs really care about. Romulan and klank players are expected to play second fiddle both with regards to content, and especially in the plot-- in the plot we only seem to be there to make the ~glorious federation~ look better.
The term "Fed" player (or KDF player or Romulan player) is also a misleading term.
Players can make characters of any faction. No one is locked into it. Everything Cryptic adds they add for all the players. It just doesn't always benefit all characters.
If someone wants to lock into just playing one faction, that's their free choice. If you limit yourself to only part of the game, then that is exactly what you get - only part of the game. You can choose to play exclusively Zerg in Starcraft 2, but then you can't complain if the Protoss expansion doesn't contain much for you. But if you're a Starcraft 2 player, that expansion is pretty cool.
I don't want to lock into just playing one faction. But I do want to do/collect things (with the goal of getting everything, of course) on some character, and that necessarily means the one I've done/collected all the other character-bound things over the years.
Alas, the game does not have systems that would accommodate that. As much as I might want to play the "ToS faction" with my main, I'm not allowed to. I can either abandon my years of progress and start again with a new character, or leave the new expansion as something I only play on an alt for whatever account-wide or transferable rewards there may be.
If there existed a full character reset system (or even just a faction reset, in this specific case), none of this would be a problem.
If everything was account-unlocked or transferable to a new character, none of this would be a problem.
If everything was cross-faction, none of this would be a problem.
Unfortunately none of the above is true, so it is a problem.
I don't get why this game even has multiple factions, if the others are not even profitable or worth treating equally. Just have everyone join the Federation/Alpha Quadrant Alliance/Galactic Union/whatever already and put this whole faction-restriction nonsense behind us.
You know, with the numerous complaints floating around about the KDF/RR receiving no attention, I remain completely baffled that some still argue for a Cardassian faction.
Why? So you can say "what about the RR/KDF/Cardassians the next time new non-faction specific content is introduced? Because you KNOW that's what would happen.
No, so they can complain that the Cardies get all the spotlight while the Romulans and Klingons aren't fleshed out yet!
Personally, I like the idea that Geko floated - additional factions might be done as level 50+/60+ only factions. They could probably get away without any tutorials for those, they don't need to worry about a low level ship progression. They probably can get away with 3-5 story missions that highlight how this faction got into the Delta Alliance or Galactic Union business, and then it's faction-agnostic content all the way through.
The biggest value of new factions is that they bring new character and ship design options IMO. The story development of a specific faction always costs you story develpoment for all the other factions.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
You know, with the numerous complaints floating around about the KDF/RR receiving no attention, I remain completely baffled that some still argue for a Cardassian faction.
Why? So you can say "what about the RR/KDF/Cardassians the next time new non-faction specific content is introduced? Because you KNOW that's what would happen.
No, so they can complain that the Cardies get all the spotlight while the Romulans and Klingons aren't fleshed out yet!
Personally, I like the idea that Geko floated - additional factions might be done as level 50+/60+ only factions.
The problem I have with adding in a Cardassian faction is that they would then need to devote resources to flesh out their T6 ships. While it does seems that a lot of people want a Cardassian faction (similar to how a lot of people seemed to have wanted the Romulan faction), the problem is what percentage of all active captains will be in that faction? The Fed faction would still dominate a combined Cardassian / KDF / Romulan faction.
While such a faction could be desirable to a certain extent for the current player base, it is unlikely to attract many new players to the game. That basically means Cryptic will be earning the bulk of revenues from that new faction from the current player base. That can have a cannibalistic effect because players generally do not spend an infinite amount of money on STO. For example, if a player decided that he / she will not spend more than $60 per year on STO, then regardless whether or not there is a Cardassian faction, that person may still only spend $60 during the year. Spending $30 on a T6 Cardassian ship would likely cannibalize the purchase of a T6 ship from a different faction. In other words, the cost of development increases, but revenue generated from the sale of ships could possibly remain relatively flat.
At least the "TOS Faction" will have a chance to bring in new players into the game. The celebration of the 50th Anniversary and the release of Star Trek Beyond can draw the attention of people to STO. While STO is not based on the JJ-verse, it people who became interested in Star Trek due to JJ's movies can at least make a connection to the "TOS Faction" since that is where everything started.
Mention the word "Cardassian" to a recent Star Trek fan and they will likely think you are referring to Kim Kardashian.
Tell us, were the Klingons or the Romulans part of the Federation in 2270?
And also, the TOS Exclusive stuff will end at level 50. (so it's not a 'Full Faction')
At that point the TOS Toons will be playing all the stuff already in the game.
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Nice to see someone 'undeleted' you.
I'm still a bit grumbly about that particular subject.
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For all the purists (I have a main toon for each faction and play them all regularly, plus 1 alt for every faction over 50[other games to play]) you are just going to have to deal with 1 fact that keeps more content being shoveled your way.
Anything not federation DOES NOT SELL VERY WELL. That is the overwhelming fact of life. Since KDF/ROM doesn't sell, they focus more of their time on what does.
Remember kids, it's not PWE/Cryptic's job to put out an awesome game equal for all. It's their job to make MONEY. For profit business. So they make an ADDICTING game, which happens to be pretty good, but that's merely a biproduct.
Till KDF and ROM sales start going up, you won't get squat. I'm not saying this to be mean, I'm just pointing at the writing on the wall many hardcore KDF and ROM players simply can't handle.
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Cryptic has shot themselves in the foot.... on-camera.
How? This new fed faction is supposed to be a "full faction." They admit that they're intentionally dividing their fed playerbase in half. So as much as they dandy about the "more people play Federation" the question will be asked "Which faction?" Meanwhile you'll get even LOUDER QQs from the 2409 Feddies crying for content and TOS Feddies crying form more ships....
And Cryptic will slump back in their office chairs with their bottles of Dayton Ward brand Vodka and ask "where did we go wrong?"
We don't want what the Feds have. We want the equivalent. We want fairer treatment. Concern, desire, greed to some extent, and passionate belief that the enough people would buy KDF items to make it worth Cryptic's while.
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They are getting stuff, just not Faction Specific stuff.
And they will still be able to play all the new missions and whatnot added to the game.
He said that the Klingons and the Romulans are not members of the Federation in 2270 (when this expansion takes place) so it doesn't make any sense for them to be included beyond the Time Travel aspects of it.
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Thats why I said "aint gettin much" instead of "nothing"
They have to do what perfect world has told them to do." All they care about is money, but there is one thing that could maybe change this and force them to make the other factions better and on pare with the federation. Cbs and peramount need to step in and say we allow you to use our assets but in turn you can't focus on just feds. Now you have to go and do romulan and klingon stuff for now.
If cbs and paramount does this then maybe we can see some changes. I do think cryptic needs to stop focusing on what makes them money and start focusing on what players want. Only then will cryptic and perfectworld make money. Otherwise this game will die if they just focus on feds and no one else. They need to balance out the factions make them equal, they need to make the romulan republic a full faction. Also they need to add tos klingon and romulan factions not just the fed version. Sorry but startrek is not all about fed. Maybe its using the fed viewpoint in the shows but they need to focus on other view points.
Roms and Klings need far more then whats been given I don't think they should be allowed to focus on fed til they make changes to bring all the factions up to par.
it's part of the big pack and is surpposed to be cross faction... that is everything we have on it.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
It is part of the $130 pack, its t6, its cross faction, and will probably be available for sale on its own in the Z-store.(based on the wording for the pack itself)
And also, the TOS Exclusive stuff will end at level 50. (so it's not a 'Full Faction')
At that point the TOS Toons will be playing all the stuff already in the game.
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The Raider is also cross-faction.
Yes, just accept your red-headed stepchildness and be happy with whatever leftovers you get! Muhahaha!
I think that's asking for too much.
If they want to do something for relatively nothing, then Cryptic should boost Dil rewards Redside.
Have N'Vak reward UR/Gold stuffs.
If they couldn't drag the sizable Fed converts to the KDF by now then doing these things will offset their hindrance to commit resources.
TL:dr - Make playing KDF/Rom more enjoyable for the existing Redside playerbase.
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
Players can make characters of any faction. No one is locked into it. Everything Cryptic adds they add for all the players. It just doesn't always benefit all characters.
If someone wants to lock into just playing one faction, that's their free choice. If you limit yourself to only part of the game, then that is exactly what you get - only part of the game. You can choose to play exclusively Zerg in Starcraft 2, but then you can't complain if the Protoss expansion doesn't contain much for you. But if you're a Starcraft 2 player, that expansion is pretty cool.
You mean do things like give the KDF easy access to contraband and something useful to do with prisoners? Or a highly desired console on a low tier C-Store ship that others have to scrounge from the Exchange for hefty EC?
Yeah, that should really do wonders for the KDF. Cryptic should get onto that.
Looking at it, it'll be like the past where you needed to be this tall (metaphorically speaking) to enter the kdf; the underdogs without all the toys hone their craft and find inventive new ways to do things while being proud they don't get everything on the plate served by a dev
I hope the Rommies end up like that too, well the kdfroms at least...
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Alas, the game does not have systems that would accommodate that. As much as I might want to play the "ToS faction" with my main, I'm not allowed to. I can either abandon my years of progress and start again with a new character, or leave the new expansion as something I only play on an alt for whatever account-wide or transferable rewards there may be.
If there existed a full character reset system (or even just a faction reset, in this specific case), none of this would be a problem.
If everything was account-unlocked or transferable to a new character, none of this would be a problem.
If everything was cross-faction, none of this would be a problem.
Unfortunately none of the above is true, so it is a problem.
I don't get why this game even has multiple factions, if the others are not even profitable or worth treating equally. Just have everyone join the Federation/Alpha Quadrant Alliance/Galactic Union/whatever already and put this whole faction-restriction nonsense behind us.
No, so they can complain that the Cardies get all the spotlight while the Romulans and Klingons aren't fleshed out yet!
Personally, I like the idea that Geko floated - additional factions might be done as level 50+/60+ only factions. They could probably get away without any tutorials for those, they don't need to worry about a low level ship progression. They probably can get away with 3-5 story missions that highlight how this faction got into the Delta Alliance or Galactic Union business, and then it's faction-agnostic content all the way through.
The biggest value of new factions is that they bring new character and ship design options IMO. The story development of a specific faction always costs you story develpoment for all the other factions.
The problem I have with adding in a Cardassian faction is that they would then need to devote resources to flesh out their T6 ships. While it does seems that a lot of people want a Cardassian faction (similar to how a lot of people seemed to have wanted the Romulan faction), the problem is what percentage of all active captains will be in that faction? The Fed faction would still dominate a combined Cardassian / KDF / Romulan faction.
While such a faction could be desirable to a certain extent for the current player base, it is unlikely to attract many new players to the game. That basically means Cryptic will be earning the bulk of revenues from that new faction from the current player base. That can have a cannibalistic effect because players generally do not spend an infinite amount of money on STO. For example, if a player decided that he / she will not spend more than $60 per year on STO, then regardless whether or not there is a Cardassian faction, that person may still only spend $60 during the year. Spending $30 on a T6 Cardassian ship would likely cannibalize the purchase of a T6 ship from a different faction. In other words, the cost of development increases, but revenue generated from the sale of ships could possibly remain relatively flat.
At least the "TOS Faction" will have a chance to bring in new players into the game. The celebration of the 50th Anniversary and the release of Star Trek Beyond can draw the attention of people to STO. While STO is not based on the JJ-verse, it people who became interested in Star Trek due to JJ's movies can at least make a connection to the "TOS Faction" since that is where everything started.
Mention the word "Cardassian" to a recent Star Trek fan and they will likely think you are referring to Kim Kardashian.
I'm still a bit grumbly about that particular subject.
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Anything not federation DOES NOT SELL VERY WELL. That is the overwhelming fact of life. Since KDF/ROM doesn't sell, they focus more of their time on what does.
Remember kids, it's not PWE/Cryptic's job to put out an awesome game equal for all. It's their job to make MONEY. For profit business. So they make an ADDICTING game, which happens to be pretty good, but that's merely a biproduct.
Till KDF and ROM sales start going up, you won't get squat. I'm not saying this to be mean, I'm just pointing at the writing on the wall many hardcore KDF and ROM players simply can't handle.
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Cryptic has shot themselves in the foot.... on-camera.
How? This new fed faction is supposed to be a "full faction." They admit that they're intentionally dividing their fed playerbase in half. So as much as they dandy about the "more people play Federation" the question will be asked "Which faction?" Meanwhile you'll get even LOUDER QQs from the 2409 Feddies crying for content and TOS Feddies crying form more ships....
And Cryptic will slump back in their office chairs with their bottles of Dayton Ward brand Vodka and ask "where did we go wrong?"