ONLY way I see it working with the console port, is to cut the minority factions and PvP entirely, remove mentions of them, fill the gaps with buymoregrind, and market to console as Fed/PvE only. anything more and they're dealing with the major un-repaired defects in the game, starting with faction imbalance, PvP..everything, and the unfortunate condition where some careers are completely useless in the game while others are totally the go-to for every situation.
That's what they should do with the PC version, too.
2. Console version will be released as a single-faction, pure PvE game.
3. Console version will retain multiplayer raids, but will not retain career differences-everyone will be a Tac.
4. Fed levels will start with AoY/The old series federation, jump to 2410, and story missions will stretch to level 60 since the new build doesn't have to cope with multiple factions or careers, the UI will be streamlined, the mission set will also be streamlined to fit a 1-60 leveling progression, so underperforming missions and sidelines will be removed temporarily then reinserted as paid or ground for content.
That would be pure awesome.
6. Console players will get a different c-store that doesn't include Klingon or Romulan goods (since those don't sell per Dev statements).
Or just sell them to Feds. Non-Fed goods sell just fine when they aren't artificially restricted to a minority customer base. Just look at lockboxes.
7. Additional factions will be added after release, behind a leveling or paywall, and not until the bugs are removed and things streamlined, but PvP will still be left off-Cryptic doesn't have the ability to handle PvP. They just don't. It's something they never should have tried because nobody on-staff has a TRIBBLE clue and nobody in management had a clue how to retain the people who did have a clue.
I sure hope not. Adding factions was a mistake the first time, no point repeating it.
In short, it'll be a totally different game, with a major difference that if it does relatively well, the console version will be supported while this version dies.
In more likelyhood any changes that succeeded with a console version would be backported to the PC version as well.
Yup, that would pretty much solve all the problems. Eliminate 30% of the playerbase by removing the KDF/ROM factions, and those who won't play as FED are easily replaced by the new console players.
Where did I say eliminate 30% of the playerbase? There is no rational reason for players to leave the game over the "loss" of faction restrictions. Some people would inevitably hate their newfound freedom, because some people inevitably hate any change made in a game, but it wouldn't be 30% or even 3%.
ONLY way I see it working with the console port, is to cut the minority factions and PvP entirely, remove mentions of them, fill the gaps with buymoregrind, and market to console as Fed/PvE only. anything more and they're dealing with the major un-repaired defects in the game, starting with faction imbalance, PvP..everything, and the unfortunate condition where some careers are completely useless in the game while others are totally the go-to for every situation.
That's what they should do with the PC version, too.
2. Console version will be released as a single-faction, pure PvE game.
3. Console version will retain multiplayer raids, but will not retain career differences-everyone will be a Tac.
4. Fed levels will start with AoY/The old series federation, jump to 2410, and story missions will stretch to level 60 since the new build doesn't have to cope with multiple factions or careers, the UI will be streamlined, the mission set will also be streamlined to fit a 1-60 leveling progression, so underperforming missions and sidelines will be removed temporarily then reinserted as paid or ground for content.
That would be pure awesome.
6. Console players will get a different c-store that doesn't include Klingon or Romulan goods (since those don't sell per Dev statements).
Or just sell them to Feds. Non-Fed goods sell just fine when they aren't artificially restricted to a minority customer base. Just look at lockboxes.
7. Additional factions will be added after release, behind a leveling or paywall, and not until the bugs are removed and things streamlined, but PvP will still be left off-Cryptic doesn't have the ability to handle PvP. They just don't. It's something they never should have tried because nobody on-staff has a TRIBBLE clue and nobody in management had a clue how to retain the people who did have a clue.
I sure hope not. Adding factions was a mistake the first time, no point repeating it.
In short, it'll be a totally different game, with a major difference that if it does relatively well, the console version will be supported while this version dies.
In more likelyhood any changes that succeeded with a console version would be backported to the PC version as well.
Yup, that would pretty much solve all the problems. Eliminate 30% of the playerbase by removing the KDF/ROM factions, and those who won't play as FED are easily replaced by the new console players.
Where did I say eliminate 30% of the playerbase? There is no rational reason for players to leave the game over the "loss" of faction restrictions. Some people would inevitably hate their newfound freedom, because some people inevitably hate any change made in a game, but it wouldn't be 30% or even 3%.
You seem to mistakenly assume everyone wants to play a fed character. I don't blame you, Cryptic thinks so too. And 'newfound freedom' ? Freedom from choosing non-fed factions ? Like you, Cryptic thinks they're doing the players some favors by removing choices. Just look at the rational behind the skill tree revamp, they think removing players ability to make bad choices is a good thing. I think you and them underestimate how many players actually DO want choices, and the ability to make unpopular ones.
But I'll bet you always take the white guys in chess too, amiright ?
ONLY way I see it working with the console port, is to cut the minority factions and PvP entirely, remove mentions of them, fill the gaps with buymoregrind, and market to console as Fed/PvE only. anything more and they're dealing with the major un-repaired defects in the game, starting with faction imbalance, PvP..everything, and the unfortunate condition where some careers are completely useless in the game while others are totally the go-to for every situation.
That's what they should do with the PC version, too.
2. Console version will be released as a single-faction, pure PvE game.
3. Console version will retain multiplayer raids, but will not retain career differences-everyone will be a Tac.
4. Fed levels will start with AoY/The old series federation, jump to 2410, and story missions will stretch to level 60 since the new build doesn't have to cope with multiple factions or careers, the UI will be streamlined, the mission set will also be streamlined to fit a 1-60 leveling progression, so underperforming missions and sidelines will be removed temporarily then reinserted as paid or ground for content.
That would be pure awesome.
6. Console players will get a different c-store that doesn't include Klingon or Romulan goods (since those don't sell per Dev statements).
Or just sell them to Feds. Non-Fed goods sell just fine when they aren't artificially restricted to a minority customer base. Just look at lockboxes.
7. Additional factions will be added after release, behind a leveling or paywall, and not until the bugs are removed and things streamlined, but PvP will still be left off-Cryptic doesn't have the ability to handle PvP. They just don't. It's something they never should have tried because nobody on-staff has a TRIBBLE clue and nobody in management had a clue how to retain the people who did have a clue.
I sure hope not. Adding factions was a mistake the first time, no point repeating it.
In short, it'll be a totally different game, with a major difference that if it does relatively well, the console version will be supported while this version dies.
In more likelyhood any changes that succeeded with a console version would be backported to the PC version as well.
Yup, that would pretty much solve all the problems. Eliminate 30% of the playerbase by removing the KDF/ROM factions, and those who won't play as FED are easily replaced by the new console players.
Where did I say eliminate 30% of the playerbase? There is no rational reason for players to leave the game over the "loss" of faction restrictions. Some people would inevitably hate their newfound freedom, because some people inevitably hate any change made in a game, but it wouldn't be 30% or even 3%.
You seem to mistakenly assume everyone wants to play a fed character. I don't blame you, Cryptic thinks so too. And 'newfound freedom' ? Freedom from choosing non-fed factions ? Like you, Cryptic thinks they're doing the players some favors by removing choices. Just look at the rational behind the skill tree revamp, they think removing players ability to make bad choices is a good thing. I think you and them underestimate how many players actually DO want choices, and the ability to make unpopular ones.
Factionless gameplay is adding choices, not removing them. But if you can't or won't understand the freedom to choose any species, any outfit, any ship, any boffs, etc that you want instead of being forced into a pre-defined template (faction), this conversation is unlikely to go anywhere.
Fortunately, most players are not going to be so extreme as to reject factionless characters just because they would have the option of using Fed stuff.
I don't think they will have playable Klingons or Romulans in TOS because they have them as the bad guys in the beginning of the Fed story, no point in confusing issues. It could even mess with the TOS faction story...depending on where they decide to slide them in with Feds.
It is how Neverwinter is set up...all players on the same side, everyone fight against the same villains and big bad guys. There is still in-fighting among the classes, anyway. They can't seem to get the "balance" right. LOL!
It is what it is. And that is the way Cryptic wants to make their games. I hate the change. But. So be it.
I don't own a console and don't expect to spend money for extra A/V equipment for one game I play.
I will play with my KDF characters until I get tired of the PC version of STO.
I still have plenty to do....haven't got to the end of the episodes.
And I love replaying the Klingon tutorial and low level stories.
Oh and I love playing the Summer and Winter events.
"Spend your life doing strange things with weird people." -- UNK
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
I'm alt-happy and kinda OCD. I try my best to have an even representation of the game's options. In STO that means I have 4 Feds, 4 Roms (all Fed for some reason), and 4 KDF. I am likely to make 4 TOS characters. I try to continue the balance by leveling and equipping all my characters evenly. The KDFs lose out badly: our fleet (admittedly newer) is 1/1/1/1/2 whereas the Fed is 3/3/3/3/4; I have far less KDF ships because there are less desirable options; customization is horrible what with the palette and uniform limitations; the KDF is inferior in every way. I honestly don't have much complaint with the Romulans except my general complaint with Romulans in Star Trek in general, being their sloppy canon due to the early writers on the subject being unable to form a consensus and little effort being made to cleanly retcon it. But the Klingons do not have that excuse--as noted by others, the Klingons are very well defined and a subject of high-spending fandom and could be the subject of excellent storytelling (not that this game really excels in ANY storytelling aspect) and player immersion.
I consider the gimping of KDFs and to a lesser degree Roms not to be limited to the money-making aspect of things. I believe it to go deeper than that--into a management process concerned only with what can be crammed into lockboxes. I sincerely wish that STO was run in the opposite direction: a large staff of dedicated Star Trek writers intimately familiar with both canon and non-canon works, able to negotiate with CBS, Simon and Shcuster, Paramount, or whatever other POIs might be involved and capable of directing the efforts of the rest of the team to tell the myriad possible stories in the Star Trek universe. Instead, the richness of the Star Trek IP seems to an afterthought rather than a driving force, and to me that's disappointing.
ONLY way I see it working with the console port, is to cut the minority factions and PvP entirely, remove mentions of them, fill the gaps with buymoregrind, and market to console as Fed/PvE only. anything more and they're dealing with the major un-repaired defects in the game, starting with faction imbalance, PvP..everything, and the unfortunate condition where some careers are completely useless in the game while others are totally the go-to for every situation.
That's what they should do with the PC version, too.
2. Console version will be released as a single-faction, pure PvE game.
3. Console version will retain multiplayer raids, but will not retain career differences-everyone will be a Tac.
4. Fed levels will start with AoY/The old series federation, jump to 2410, and story missions will stretch to level 60 since the new build doesn't have to cope with multiple factions or careers, the UI will be streamlined, the mission set will also be streamlined to fit a 1-60 leveling progression, so underperforming missions and sidelines will be removed temporarily then reinserted as paid or ground for content.
That would be pure awesome.
6. Console players will get a different c-store that doesn't include Klingon or Romulan goods (since those don't sell per Dev statements).
Or just sell them to Feds. Non-Fed goods sell just fine when they aren't artificially restricted to a minority customer base. Just look at lockboxes.
7. Additional factions will be added after release, behind a leveling or paywall, and not until the bugs are removed and things streamlined, but PvP will still be left off-Cryptic doesn't have the ability to handle PvP. They just don't. It's something they never should have tried because nobody on-staff has a TRIBBLE clue and nobody in management had a clue how to retain the people who did have a clue.
I sure hope not. Adding factions was a mistake the first time, no point repeating it.
In short, it'll be a totally different game, with a major difference that if it does relatively well, the console version will be supported while this version dies.
In more likelyhood any changes that succeeded with a console version would be backported to the PC version as well.
Yup, that would pretty much solve all the problems. Eliminate 30% of the playerbase by removing the KDF/ROM factions, and those who won't play as FED are easily replaced by the new console players.
Where did I say eliminate 30% of the playerbase? There is no rational reason for players to leave the game over the "loss" of faction restrictions. Some people would inevitably hate their newfound freedom, because some people inevitably hate any change made in a game, but it wouldn't be 30% or even 3%.
You seem to mistakenly assume everyone wants to play a fed character. I don't blame you, Cryptic thinks so too. And 'newfound freedom' ? Freedom from choosing non-fed factions ? Like you, Cryptic thinks they're doing the players some favors by removing choices. Just look at the rational behind the skill tree revamp, they think removing players ability to make bad choices is a good thing. I think you and them underestimate how many players actually DO want choices, and the ability to make unpopular ones.
Factionless gameplay is adding choices, not removing them. But if you can't or won't understand the freedom to choose any species, any outfit, any ship, any boffs, etc that you want instead of being forced into a pre-defined template (faction), this conversation is unlikely to go anywhere.
Fortunately, most players are not going to be so extreme as to reject factionless characters just because they would have the option of using Fed stuff.
LOL, ya I'm sure there are 1000's of Fed players that want to buy that Bortasq instead of their Galaxy-X.
:P
Well, I was reading STO Reddit...and news out of the FEDCON in Germany states: they have added Orions to the list of characters available to the TOS/Fed faction.
Not hard to guess the direction they are taking this game, maybe not today....but it is definitely coming. LOL!
is there a link to where they confirmed they're adding orions to the TOS faction?
I am fairly new here, so I can't speak of the history of Cryptic. I can say that I play all four factions, and I say four because I count Romulans as two- Federation and KDF aligned. As I see it, the Federation have the best ships, and the KDF have the advantage Doffing. Federation ships seem to be better and tougher, but Romulans have the singularity core that gives them more abilities. I don't see what advantage KDF has. Their admiralty fleet is seriously lacking science ships, as is the available playable KDF ships. Maybe in the shows, Klingons weren't terribly good at science. (However, there was at least one renowned Klingon scientist who almost got into a fistfight with Crusher.) But what about the Lethians, Orions, Gorn or other KDF allies? The z-store needs a viable KDF science vessel. Ships from the lobi store, exchange or lottery boxes don't solve the problem. It is a lot harder to get those, and they are for only one character. As for the argument going on in this thread, I see both sides of it. I see that Cryptic needs to make money doing something in order to put more resources into it. I also see that a quality Klingon ship will sell. As I make my wish list of T6 ships, I'm having a hard time picking a KDF one. I just don't see a KDF ship that stands out among Federation or Romulan ships. I also agree that Klingon themed stuff sells better everywhere else. You can find a clue of that on this very website. The grand prize in that Wizkids giveaway includes a foam bat'leth. However, for something to sell, you can't just make it look Klingon, it has to be a quality product. Again, I am new here, and maybe I just don't see the KDF advantage among T6 ships. But the message I hear from KDF players is that KDF product is lacking quality, and that's why it's not selling. As an all-faction player, I definitely see their point.
is there a link to where they confirmed they're adding orions to the TOS faction?
I think they said: it is already on Tribble (not sure why that was in the News from Germany FEDCON thread). You know anyone with a Gold or LTS?
I do but after what he saw last night on tribble I doubt he's going back
Yup...the first addition of anything new on Tribble defines the word: "testing out" because it really isn't ready. That is for sure. Hopefully, your friend can try again after a few more patches.
I went back to look for what I was reading on STO Reddit earlier, now it (TOS Orions) doesn't sound as definitive as when I first read it. It was only one person stating it was confirmed. I can not tell if they were making some juvenile joke or not. I think some comments got removed or moved around. Reddit is always a challenge to figure out.
"Spend your life doing strange things with weird people." -- UNK
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
is there a link to where they confirmed they're adding orions to the TOS faction?
I think they said: it is already on Tribble (not sure why that was in the News from Germany FEDCON thread). You know anyone with a Gold or LTS?
I do but after what he saw last night on tribble I doubt he's going back
Yup...the first addition of anything new on Tribble defines the word: "testing out" because it really isn't ready. That is for sure. Hopefully, your friend can try again after a few more patches.
I went back to look for what I was reading on STO Reddit earlier, now it (TOS Orions) doesn't sound as definitive as when I first read it. It was only one person stating it was confirmed. I can not tell if they were making some juvenile joke or not. I think some comments got removed or moved around. Reddit is always a challenge to figure out.
he wasnt bugged by bugs or that, it was something utterly different that killed his interest:
some good artwork, some nice reproductions of some classic scenes in very tiny maps, but typical cryptic writing, spock being the worst of the worst. Just thrown together, and two missions super short done. Nothing special, and I count 4 more missions in the "Agents of yesterday" with nothing else showing. I mean I liked it, and I felt like it was written for a 6 year old also and super rushed. I hope they got quite a bit more story arcs to go, the map shows it could be nice, but ugg writing and their one dimentional designs.
edit:
he just patched up and logged in. Orions are NOT on the list for new characters in the TOS faction
Pity... they missed a trick for getting the scantily clad big busted not green skin but causican skinned pervert player bucks... unless they plan to bring fully starkers betazoids in....
Oooo... Am I finally getting my Romulan K'tinga complete with singularity core that I asked for years ago? PLEASE!
It seems unlikely that the Romulans took the Klingon ships to refit them with singularity cores. I would expect they took the ships for the whole package, refitting the entire engine core seems expensive and offer little value. There isn't really a sign that Romulan singularity cores are in some way superior to warp cores. They are just an alternative technology path.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
ONLY way I see it working with the console port, is to cut the minority factions and PvP entirely, remove mentions of them, fill the gaps with buymoregrind, and market to console as Fed/PvE only. anything more and they're dealing with the major un-repaired defects in the game, starting with faction imbalance, PvP..everything, and the unfortunate condition where some careers are completely useless in the game while others are totally the go-to for every situation.
That's what they should do with the PC version, too.
2. Console version will be released as a single-faction, pure PvE game.
3. Console version will retain multiplayer raids, but will not retain career differences-everyone will be a Tac.
4. Fed levels will start with AoY/The old series federation, jump to 2410, and story missions will stretch to level 60 since the new build doesn't have to cope with multiple factions or careers, the UI will be streamlined, the mission set will also be streamlined to fit a 1-60 leveling progression, so underperforming missions and sidelines will be removed temporarily then reinserted as paid or ground for content.
That would be pure awesome.
6. Console players will get a different c-store that doesn't include Klingon or Romulan goods (since those don't sell per Dev statements).
Or just sell them to Feds. Non-Fed goods sell just fine when they aren't artificially restricted to a minority customer base. Just look at lockboxes.
7. Additional factions will be added after release, behind a leveling or paywall, and not until the bugs are removed and things streamlined, but PvP will still be left off-Cryptic doesn't have the ability to handle PvP. They just don't. It's something they never should have tried because nobody on-staff has a TRIBBLE clue and nobody in management had a clue how to retain the people who did have a clue.
I sure hope not. Adding factions was a mistake the first time, no point repeating it.
In short, it'll be a totally different game, with a major difference that if it does relatively well, the console version will be supported while this version dies.
In more likelyhood any changes that succeeded with a console version would be backported to the PC version as well.
Yup, that would pretty much solve all the problems. Eliminate 30% of the playerbase by removing the KDF/ROM factions, and those who won't play as FED are easily replaced by the new console players.
Where did I say eliminate 30% of the playerbase? There is no rational reason for players to leave the game over the "loss" of faction restrictions. Some people would inevitably hate their newfound freedom, because some people inevitably hate any change made in a game, but it wouldn't be 30% or even 3%.
You seem to mistakenly assume everyone wants to play a fed character. I don't blame you, Cryptic thinks so too. And 'newfound freedom' ? Freedom from choosing non-fed factions ? Like you, Cryptic thinks they're doing the players some favors by removing choices. Just look at the rational behind the skill tree revamp, they think removing players ability to make bad choices is a good thing. I think you and them underestimate how many players actually DO want choices, and the ability to make unpopular ones.
Factionless gameplay is adding choices, not removing them. But if you can't or won't understand the freedom to choose any species, any outfit, any ship, any boffs, etc that you want instead of being forced into a pre-defined template (faction), this conversation is unlikely to go anywhere.
Fortunately, most players are not going to be so extreme as to reject factionless characters just because they would have the option of using Fed stuff.
I'm ok with faction-less ships all around. But only if romulan style and kdf style ships all show up. As well as alien designs from those factions.
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You seem to mistakenly assume everyone wants to play a fed character. I don't blame you, Cryptic thinks so too. And 'newfound freedom' ? Freedom from choosing non-fed factions ? Like you, Cryptic thinks they're doing the players some favors by removing choices. Just look at the rational behind the skill tree revamp, they think removing players ability to make bad choices is a good thing. I think you and them underestimate how many players actually DO want choices, and the ability to make unpopular ones.
But I'll bet you always take the white guys in chess too, amiright ?
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Fortunately, most players are not going to be so extreme as to reject factionless characters just because they would have the option of using Fed stuff.
I don't think they will have playable Klingons or Romulans in TOS because they have them as the bad guys in the beginning of the Fed story, no point in confusing issues. It could even mess with the TOS faction story...depending on where they decide to slide them in with Feds.
It is how Neverwinter is set up...all players on the same side, everyone fight against the same villains and big bad guys. There is still in-fighting among the classes, anyway. They can't seem to get the "balance" right. LOL!
It is what it is. And that is the way Cryptic wants to make their games. I hate the change. But. So be it.
I don't own a console and don't expect to spend money for extra A/V equipment for one game I play.
I will play with my KDF characters until I get tired of the PC version of STO.
I still have plenty to do....haven't got to the end of the episodes.
And I love replaying the Klingon tutorial and low level stories.
Oh and I love playing the Summer and Winter events.
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
I consider the gimping of KDFs and to a lesser degree Roms not to be limited to the money-making aspect of things. I believe it to go deeper than that--into a management process concerned only with what can be crammed into lockboxes. I sincerely wish that STO was run in the opposite direction: a large staff of dedicated Star Trek writers intimately familiar with both canon and non-canon works, able to negotiate with CBS, Simon and Shcuster, Paramount, or whatever other POIs might be involved and capable of directing the efforts of the rest of the team to tell the myriad possible stories in the Star Trek universe. Instead, the richness of the Star Trek IP seems to an afterthought rather than a driving force, and to me that's disappointing.
LOL, ya I'm sure there are 1000's of Fed players that want to buy that Bortasq instead of their Galaxy-X.
:P
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
is there a link to where they confirmed they're adding orions to the TOS faction?
I think they said: it is already on Tribble (not sure why that was in the News from Germany FEDCON thread). You know anyone with a Gold or LTS?
ADD: The correct Tribble info is here....watch blogs for any updates:
http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline/#/discussion/1215338/so-what-species-are-only-for-tos-era
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
I do but after what he saw last night on tribble I doubt he's going back
Yup...the first addition of anything new on Tribble defines the word: "testing out" because it really isn't ready. That is for sure. Hopefully, your friend can try again after a few more patches.
I went back to look for what I was reading on STO Reddit earlier, now it (TOS Orions) doesn't sound as definitive as when I first read it. It was only one person stating it was confirmed. I can not tell if they were making some juvenile joke or not. I think some comments got removed or moved around. Reddit is always a challenge to figure out.
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
he wasnt bugged by bugs or that, it was something utterly different that killed his interest:
edit:
he just patched up and logged in. Orions are NOT on the list for new characters in the TOS faction
Get the Forums Enhancement Extension!
I went back and pointed everyone to the other thread on playable races for the TOS faction.
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
here's hopin she's buyable
would be nice.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
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because in the 60s they were plastic toys.... also in the 60s TV shows had budgets the size of a pinto bean, and movies werent a whole lot better.
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
yes way
Lol!
My character Tsin'xing
I'm ok with faction-less ships all around. But only if romulan style and kdf style ships all show up. As well as alien designs from those factions.