Weren't there some elements that couldn't be transported? I forget the name of it, but there was a chemical Data needed to physically transport via shuttle in that episode where Fatjo kidnapped him.
I seem to remember a few substances here and there mentioned on TNG/DS9/VOY that couldn't be replicated or transported.
Hytritium and it wasn't that it couldn't be transported, it just wasn't advised to do so.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Weren't there some elements that couldn't be transported? I forget the name of it, but there was a chemical Data needed to physically transport via shuttle in that episode where Fatjo kidnapped him.
I seem to remember a few substances here and there mentioned on TNG/DS9/VOY that couldn't be replicated or transported.
Probably minerals who'd scatter the transporter beam as it's not possible to beam through some materials, it would make sense to not be able to transport the material/mineral itself. Also, it is said that heavily injured persons can't be transported, but I'm pretty sure TNG contradicts itself at some point.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
not necessarily a contradiction - it might depend on whose definition of 'heavily injured' they were using
That's a fair point since it doesn't specify the kind of injury at all. I think it was a kind of brain injury that prevented the transport.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
> @angrytarg said: > valoreah wrote: » > > Weren't there some elements that couldn't be transported? I forget the name of it, but there was a chemical Data needed to physically transport via shuttle in that episode where Fatjo kidnapped him. > > I seem to remember a few substances here and there mentioned on TNG/DS9/VOY that couldn't be replicated or transported. > > > > > Probably minerals who'd scatter the transporter beam as it's not possible to beam through some materials, it would make sense to not be able to transport the material/mineral itself. Also, it is said that heavily injured persons can't be transported, but I'm pretty sure TNG contradicts itself at some point.
Considering they emergency-beamed-up Neelix after he'd had his frelling LUNGS removed...
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Even if someone was seriously injured (or in the case of Neelix, minus his lungs) what better reason does one need, for the transporter chief, upon hearing the words "emergency beam-out to initiate the Pulaski Protocol, and restore all incoming patterns, to the last outgoing template.
I think the notion was simply that transporters not become a Magic Cure All, because that would kill any kind of plot tension.
Another example of transporter inconsistency, would be that Odan couldn't be transported, but Dax could be
*Extra words to feed the Edit Monster*
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
The possibility remains that things like the Pulaski regeneration is one of those one-off miracle worker things that are completely irreproducable. Because with what the Enterprise and other hero crews pulled, the entirety of Starfleet would never face a threat again
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
As I recall, Odan didn't WANT to be transported. The Trill were apparently secretive about their symbionts at the time, though obviously this is retconned by "Blood Oath" in DS9.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Hytritium and it wasn't that it couldn't be transported, it just wasn't advised to do so.
Hmmm.... I seem to remember them specifically saying it couldn't be transported. It's been a long time since I've see the episode though, so I could very well be wrong.
Picard's log states: "We are procuring 108 Kilos of Hytritium from the Zibalien trader: Kivas Fajo. Because pure Hytritium is too unstable for our transporters, Lieutenant Commander Data has been shuttling the Material to the Enterprise."
Too unstable doesn't mean impossible and if it wasn't to pure it could be more easily transported.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
The possibility remains that things like the Pulaski regeneration is one of those one-off miracle worker things that are completely irreproducable. Because with what the Enterprise and other hero crews pulled, the entirety of Starfleet would never face a threat again
Oh I bet it would be reproduceable if they needed it to be
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
As I recall, Odan didn't WANT to be transported. The Trill were apparently secretive about their symbionts at the time, though obviously this is retconned by "Blood Oath" in DS9.
I believe his words to Riker in the shuttle, were "You Will Kill Me!" Riker then pulled out some of his flying prowess, and got the shuttle back in one piece
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
I just don't get the whole "hiding behind a paywall" and "TV MA" criticism. Just because it's Star Trek it should be free and for kids?
Just another nonsense video IMO.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Did you miss the points made about how Trek has always snuck in thought-provoking material by hiding it as space opera?
People tune in expecting Kirk beating up Klingons, and wind up getting their preconceptions challenged and new notions to consider. That's one of the reasons why Trek has always been popular, and enduring. That philosophy works best by being suitable for all, and presented in as accessible a format as possible (free and suitable for the kids) So by them going MA and putting it behind a paywall, it's limiting the audience (a bad thing)
Perfectly valid observations, IMO, from someone who actually gets what Trek was always about. But hey, I posted it, so you have to argue it, right?
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
But there's none of that either. See my post above for examples.
I agree there's little continuity, my post was refuting your silly comment about there being no canon assuming you'd got the two mixed up.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
And given that we have no Council of Trent, "canon" for Trek is still "what's been filmed". Those tech manuals aren't really any more canon than our speculations here, and for myself I give greater weight to explanations that are at least internally consistent. The supposed limitations that have been quoted for replicators just don't make sense. (Of course, without nonsensical limits, replicators become a deus ex machina, but that's not our concern here.)
which specific things do you find to be internally inconsistent?
An argument, for example, that postulates that while replicators can make any food desired, they can't make deuterium, which is nothing more than a stable isotope of hydrogen - a necessary ingredient of most foodstuffs. If it can only rearrange atoms, then you'll need to stock a full array of the stable elements - you can't make salt without sodium and chlorine, for example. And that's going to require some pretty huge storage tanks, since the limits on the system also include that you can't just store the transporter patterns of the ingredients (remember that the basis of this argument is that the replicator can't synthesize the elements, just rearrange them).
Oh, and you'd better make sure you store all those elements really securely - sodium reacts explosively in the presence of oxygen and hydrogen, remember. And chlorine, in its gaseous state, is a lethal poison to most carbon-based life forms.
If, on the other hand, the replicator can synthesize the elements that go into food, there's no sane reason it can't replicate deuterium.
You're absolutely right. As Moore said, the writers hated the replicator because they couldn't wrap their heads around the idea of infinite virtually free replication and the devaluation that results. Apparently they needed for Napster to be invented and give them a real world example of how it works. So, due to that antipathy towards the concept, they occasionally invented arbitrary restrictions (that were almost never enforced with any degree of consistency) that don't make sense with what we know of the technology nor with examples in the show that contradict the claims of inability.
There really is no logical reason, beyond limitations in computer storage that would constrain the amount of pattern storage or force the use of compressed patterns, that anything that can be transported cannot also be replicated. And if the pattern can't be stored for whatever reason, you can get around that by using a physical sample to scan and thus duplicate.
That means latinum should have been able to be replicated, since it could be sent through the transporter. They should have specified that it had to be carried by shuttle and such, never transported.
The other possibility is that latinum is rather like bitcoin, in physical form. The molecular structure features embedded coding that acts like a serial number, the way DNA encodes information. Each molecule's code is unique, and like bitcoin mathematically determined and able to be verified. You could replicate the substance, but the serial numbers would be wrong and it would be detected as counterfeit. That would mean the actual material in a given denomination of latinum unit might be as little as a few molecules. Maybe each molecule is equivalent to a penny, or a dime, or some such, maybe more to prevent the numbers from being too unwieldy. Still, it strikes me as very Ferengi-like to devote huge amounts of computing power to keep track of these identification numbers on their currency to make sure it can't be spoofed --even though that's so much more trouble than it's worth and it would be easier to reform their economy to accommodate post-scarcity. It's their obsession, and everyone else thinks it's silly as hell, but it's what they do.
To me, the latinum not being able to be replicated thing is more along the Ferengi not wanting to lose their meal ticket. Probably threatening or bribing someone to make sure it stays as is.
I just don't get the whole "hiding behind a paywall" and "TV MA" criticism. Just because it's Star Trek it should be free and for kids?
Just another nonsense video IMO.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Did you miss the points made about how Trek has always snuck in thought-provoking material by hiding it as space opera?
People tune in expecting Kirk beating up Klingons, and wind up getting their preconceptions challenged and new notions to consider. That's one of the reasons why Trek has always been popular, and enduring. That philosophy works best by being suitable for all, and presented in as accessible a format as possible (free and suitable for the kids) So by them going MA and putting it behind a paywall, it's limiting the audience (a bad thing)
Perfectly valid observations, IMO, from someone who actually gets what Trek was always about. But hey, I posted it, so you have to argue it, right?
Going by what you hear from some of the things in the states, one would get the feeling that even mature audiences couldn't handle their preconceptions being challenged.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
I just don't get the whole "hiding behind a paywall" and "TV MA" criticism. Just because it's Star Trek it should be free and for kids?
Just another nonsense video IMO.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Did you miss the points made about how Trek has always snuck in thought-provoking material by hiding it as space opera?
People tune in expecting Kirk beating up Klingons, and wind up getting their preconceptions challenged and new notions to consider. That's one of the reasons why Trek has always been popular, and enduring. That philosophy works best by being suitable for all, and presented in as accessible a format as possible (free and suitable for the kids) So by them going MA and putting it behind a paywall, it's limiting the audience (a bad thing)
Perfectly valid observations, IMO, from someone who actually gets what Trek was always about. But hey, I posted it, so you have to argue it, right?
Going by what you hear from some of the things in the states, one would get the feeling that even mature audiences couldn't handle their preconceptions being challenged.
... That philosophy works best by being suitable for all, and presented in as accessible a format as possible (free and suitable for the kids) So by them going MA and putting it behind a paywall, it's limiting the audience (a bad thing) ...
Lamenting paywalls is a moot point. Quite clear that's the direction "television" is going in, whether people want it to or not.
And that's not the only point which was being made.
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
'Lobes, I'd like to step in here for a moment and remind you of three things.
1) The paywall doesn't make it that different from TOS - TVs back in the day were not cheap. (There's a reason why, when our family TV died in '71, my father didn't buy another TV for six years.) And even then, five bucks a month ain't exactly a steep wall.
2) TV-MA matters only to various organizations that want to pretend they're regulating television. For starters, other than the pilot it'll be on the net, where ratings aren't even a thing (that's why I have to check on my son's YouTube subscriptions every so often - Nerf war videos are fine, but the guys at Gun vs Gun like to edit in effect to make it look more like a live-action combat FPS only more so). I know very few parents who have any problem with their children watching TV shows with that rating; for that matter, I know very few parents who even have any idea what the ratings of their favorite programs are.
3) You don't have any idea of whether they'll be giving us subversive philosophies in the show. Nor do I. Nor do the people who made that video. I tend to lean toward the idea that they are - but none of us know, because not one episode of the show has aired yet. You seem to have adopted the belief that just because someone can put a video on YouTube, that means they have accurate information and know more than you do. In fact, even I know how to make a YouTube video - I don't, because I don't think any vid I made would be all that interesting, but I could. That doesn't necessarily mean that any such hypothetical vid from me would be accurate.
Just because someone said it, doesn't make it true. The sooner you learn that lesson, the happier your life will be. (Ironically, it's difficult to learn that from someone else, because it's something they said - but I've found it to be true over the past half-century.)
I just don't get the whole "hiding behind a paywall" and "TV MA" criticism. Just because it's Star Trek it should be free and for kids?
Just another nonsense video IMO.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Did you miss the points made about how Trek has always snuck in thought-provoking material by hiding it as space opera?
People tune in expecting Kirk beating up Klingons, and wind up getting their preconceptions challenged and new notions to consider. That's one of the reasons why Trek has always been popular, and enduring. That philosophy works best by being suitable for all, and presented in as accessible a format as possible (free and suitable for the kids) So by them going MA and putting it behind a paywall, it's limiting the audience (a bad thing)
Perfectly valid observations, IMO, from someone who actually gets what Trek was always about. But hey, I posted it, so you have to argue it, right?
Going by what you hear from some of the things in the states, one would get the feeling that even mature audiences couldn't handle their preconceptions being challenged.
Absolutely so, it's a very sad state of affairs.
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
This illustrates both a complete lack of understanding of how TV has worked in the past, as well as a total lack of foresight into how media will be consumed in the future. It also contradicts itself by bringing in Roddenberry, in an attempt to make the sad, tired claim of "I know what Roddenberry would do today." I personally don't know (and, more importantly, don't care) where Gene would have fallen on these topics... but, judging by history, I think he would have leapt at the chance to get out from under network/broadcast restrictions.
Further, p**sing and moaning about a TV-MA rating is, at best, screaming at a brick wall. Western culture, especially in entertainment, is moving in the direction of TV-MA. What's accepted as PG-13 today would not be accepted as PG-13 20 years ago. The rating won't stop younger viewers from watching, as everything from Breaking Bad to Game of Thrones to The Defenders would likely prove. And speaking of GoT, can we all agree to stop comparing everything under the sun to that show??? The rating is TV-MA, not TV-GoT.
I saw another video from this guy, in which he propped up that Midnight's Edge garbage... so, he's just a sad, ill-informed fan that didn't get what he wanted. Boo-freaking-hoo.
Just tick the box that asks if you're over 16. Done.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Comments
Hytritium and it wasn't that it couldn't be transported, it just wasn't advised to do so.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Probably minerals who'd scatter the transporter beam as it's not possible to beam through some materials, it would make sense to not be able to transport the material/mineral itself. Also, it is said that heavily injured persons can't be transported, but I'm pretty sure TNG contradicts itself at some point.
Get the Forums Enhancement Extension!
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
That's a fair point since it doesn't specify the kind of injury at all. I think it was a kind of brain injury that prevented the transport.
Get the Forums Enhancement Extension!
> valoreah wrote: »
>
> Weren't there some elements that couldn't be transported? I forget the name of it, but there was a chemical Data needed to physically transport via shuttle in that episode where Fatjo kidnapped him.
>
> I seem to remember a few substances here and there mentioned on TNG/DS9/VOY that couldn't be replicated or transported.
>
>
>
>
> Probably minerals who'd scatter the transporter beam as it's not possible to beam through some materials, it would make sense to not be able to transport the material/mineral itself. Also, it is said that heavily injured persons can't be transported, but I'm pretty sure TNG contradicts itself at some point.
Considering they emergency-beamed-up Neelix after he'd had his frelling LUNGS removed...
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
I think the notion was simply that transporters not become a Magic Cure All, because that would kill any kind of plot tension.
Another example of transporter inconsistency, would be that Odan couldn't be transported, but Dax could be
*Extra words to feed the Edit Monster*
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
Get the Forums Enhancement Extension!
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
Picard's log states: "We are procuring 108 Kilos of Hytritium from the Zibalien trader: Kivas Fajo. Because pure Hytritium is too unstable for our transporters, Lieutenant Commander Data has been shuttling the Material to the Enterprise."
Too unstable doesn't mean impossible and if it wasn't to pure it could be more easily transported.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
Did you miss the points made about how Trek has always snuck in thought-provoking material by hiding it as space opera?
People tune in expecting Kirk beating up Klingons, and wind up getting their preconceptions challenged and new notions to consider. That's one of the reasons why Trek has always been popular, and enduring. That philosophy works best by being suitable for all, and presented in as accessible a format as possible (free and suitable for the kids) So by them going MA and putting it behind a paywall, it's limiting the audience (a bad thing)
Perfectly valid observations, IMO, from someone who actually gets what Trek was always about. But hey, I posted it, so you have to argue it, right?
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
I agree there's little continuity, my post was refuting your silly comment about there being no canon assuming you'd got the two mixed up.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Get the Forums Enhancement Extension!
To me, the latinum not being able to be replicated thing is more along the Ferengi not wanting to lose their meal ticket. Probably threatening or bribing someone to make sure it stays as is.
Going by what you hear from some of the things in the states, one would get the feeling that even mature audiences couldn't handle their preconceptions being challenged.
Then they are not mature.
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
1) The paywall doesn't make it that different from TOS - TVs back in the day were not cheap. (There's a reason why, when our family TV died in '71, my father didn't buy another TV for six years.) And even then, five bucks a month ain't exactly a steep wall.
2) TV-MA matters only to various organizations that want to pretend they're regulating television. For starters, other than the pilot it'll be on the net, where ratings aren't even a thing (that's why I have to check on my son's YouTube subscriptions every so often - Nerf war videos are fine, but the guys at Gun vs Gun like to edit in effect to make it look more like a live-action combat FPS only more so). I know very few parents who have any problem with their children watching TV shows with that rating; for that matter, I know very few parents who even have any idea what the ratings of their favorite programs are.
3) You don't have any idea of whether they'll be giving us subversive philosophies in the show. Nor do I. Nor do the people who made that video. I tend to lean toward the idea that they are - but none of us know, because not one episode of the show has aired yet. You seem to have adopted the belief that just because someone can put a video on YouTube, that means they have accurate information and know more than you do. In fact, even I know how to make a YouTube video - I don't, because I don't think any vid I made would be all that interesting, but I could. That doesn't necessarily mean that any such hypothetical vid from me would be accurate.
Just because someone said it, doesn't make it true. The sooner you learn that lesson, the happier your life will be. (Ironically, it's difficult to learn that from someone else, because it's something they said - but I've found it to be true over the past half-century.)
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
What a moron.
This illustrates both a complete lack of understanding of how TV has worked in the past, as well as a total lack of foresight into how media will be consumed in the future. It also contradicts itself by bringing in Roddenberry, in an attempt to make the sad, tired claim of "I know what Roddenberry would do today." I personally don't know (and, more importantly, don't care) where Gene would have fallen on these topics... but, judging by history, I think he would have leapt at the chance to get out from under network/broadcast restrictions.
Further, p**sing and moaning about a TV-MA rating is, at best, screaming at a brick wall. Western culture, especially in entertainment, is moving in the direction of TV-MA. What's accepted as PG-13 today would not be accepted as PG-13 20 years ago. The rating won't stop younger viewers from watching, as everything from Breaking Bad to Game of Thrones to The Defenders would likely prove. And speaking of GoT, can we all agree to stop comparing everything under the sun to that show??? The rating is TV-MA, not TV-GoT.
I saw another video from this guy, in which he propped up that Midnight's Edge garbage... so, he's just a sad, ill-informed fan that didn't get what he wanted. Boo-freaking-hoo.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Get the Forums Enhancement Extension!