When they have to use a character's sexuality as a selling point, I'm not inclined to get my hopes up
Avery Brooks has been referred to as the first African American Captain and Kate Mulgrew has been referred to as the first female Captain many, many times over the years throughout various news bits, interviews and documentaries. I grant you, it isn't necessary to say it because quite frankly it doesn't matter, however it's not unheard of Trek to market characters this way.
Seven and T'Pol, yeah, pretty gratuitous. One of the trailers showed Burnham in her space-knickers in what looked like Phlox's scanning chamber. So they're clearly not above using good old T&A to try and lure some viewers. Another strike against them.
Why is it a "strike against them?" Trek has always had this starting back in TOS and more often than not, for gratuitous purposes.
T&A is nothing new to Star Trek. Holding that against Discovery is a little silly.
Strike against them? For these women who feel liberated by the idea to remove the shackles of what is expected off them, something like this on screen is just as good for them as it is for the producers even though some people may find it degrading. For womens rights back then and even now it was a key moment in their movement, gone are the days women can't show more than a little ankle out in public with big heavy restricting dresses where they need to look up to these backwards values.
if it was intended as excessive or not, women showing skin to promote their cause on a regular basis has always been apart of star trek, it's the perfect platform to broadcast their message as it's still one of the most controversial space opera series to of graced the TV screens in 50 years and i doubt it's done doing so regardless if there is the expected T&A to go with the space version of the German party from 1930-40's and the usual violence.
I'm sorry i don't understand, may i ask what your thoughts are on the subject?
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I'm sorry, but it is clear from the execution and the stated intentions that Star Trek '09 is a reboot for the franchise. It was fully intended to be a starting over point, going back to the beginning and shaking things up. Abrams even wanted them to stop selling all the older merchandise so that the new films would be the sole Star Trek stuff on the market. The only reason that this didn't happen was because of the split in the production rights between Paramount and CBS.
On the other hand Discovery is clearly not a reboot, as it is supposed to be set as a precursor to the original series... which is why there is so much heartburn over how it is being handled. If Discovery was part of the actual rebooted Kelvin-verse then we wouldn't be seeing nearly as much backlash from all the stylistic changes.
As for how fans treat Star Trek as opposed to Star Wars... you have clearly never seen any Star Wars forums. Older Star Wars fans hate the new Disney continuity as much as older Star Trek fans hate the Kelvin-verse. You can find this in pretty much any older fan community. Ironically though JJ Abrams' participation in both franchises has only served to make him into the ideal scapegoat for all that is wrong in modern sci-fi films.
They are generally refered to as reboots. They were refered to as the JJverse before the term Kelvin Timeline was created at CBS, and that is what the zeitgeist generated, so the term has stuck. Popular convention, over dictated speech.
And it's still not accurate. Especially as hoover vs. vacuum cleaner is not used as the crux of an argument is it?
Do you need someone to explain what an example is to you as well?
It doesn't matter if JJ didn't direct Beyond, he still had a hand in it, and it ran on the tracks which he laid down in 09 and Into Darkness. He directed two out of three. That's the majority of that body of work. It's understandable why his name is so heavily linked to people's concept of those films.
No, all the influence of BEY was Pegg and Lin, unless you're claiming every single part of the first two films was solely JJs influence, so what carried over is down to him and not the dozens of other artists, writers, etc that created the series. So again, I don't care how common it is, it's not accurate.
Oh dear, begging the question to avoid the point JJ was a producer on Beyond. He was essentially co-wrote The Force Awakens, yet never insisted on being credited thus. It's no stretch of the imagination, to suspect that he would have had creative input to Beyond. And that he had creative input to 09 and Into Darkness. Again, it was the zeitgeist which came up the term 'JJverse', and no amount of foot-stamping on your part, is going to make them stop using it.
That's why those movies (And Discovery) are refered to by the zeitgeist as reboots, even if they may not fit your fanatical devotion to the definition of the word 'reboot'.
So a person who would refer to a vacuum cleaner as that is also fanatical? OR just correct? You seem to be getting slightly hysterical over this.
Still missing the point. And as for hysterical, you're the one who's throwing a hissyfit about anything Trek-related being referred to as a reboot, because it doesn't fit the dictionary term.
And now I remember why I hid your posts in the first place, lots of empty words and a general tone of condescension with nothing of value. Oh well, back to that again I suppose. Still, as I'm hiding your replies you'll be able to get the last word in, that'll go nicely with your ego, an overwhelming internet victory like that,
You're welcome.
Oh look, an attempt at a grand flounce because you're (like always) unable to defend your viewpoint without resorting to personal attacks As for condescension, you condescend to everyone on this forum, you hypocrite, so do try and stop projecting. As for all your 'I hid your posts' BS, if you truly had hidden my posts, it raises the question of why you would unhide them again. I already proved you're being deliberately argumentative, by challenging you to not post to me or this topic, till after Discovery's release, and you just started arguing with others. So go ahead, skulk off back to your echo-chamber in a huff, and keep proving the point, when you start arguing with me again that you can't deal with any differing viewpoint without being childish about it. Once again; Prove Me Wrong.
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
I'm sorry, but it is clear from the execution and the stated intentions that Star Trek '09 is a reboot for the franchise. It was fully intended to be a starting over point, going back to the beginning and shaking things up. Abrams even wanted them to stop selling all the older merchandise so that the new films would be the sole Star Trek stuff on the market. The only reason that this didn't happen was because of the split in the production rights between Paramount and CBS.
Precisely
On the other hand Discovery is clearly not a reboot, as it is supposed to be set as a precursor to the original series... which is why there is so much heartburn over how it is being handled. If Discovery was part of the actual rebooted Kelvin-verse then we wouldn't be seeing nearly as much backlash from all the stylistic changes.
Yes and no... Discovery observably is a reboot, but it's not been acknowledged as such by CBS. They're just gaslighting and sticking to their stoey about it being Prime Timeline. Now had they simply said upfront that it was a reboot, or acknowledged that it was when people began to make that observation, then absolutely, there wouldn't be anywhere near the current backlash
As for how fans treat Star Trek as opposed to Star Wars... you have clearly never seen any Star Wars forums. Older Star Wars fans hate the new Disney continuity as much as older Star Trek fans hate the Kelvin-verse. You can find this in pretty much any older fan community. Ironically though JJ Abrams' participation in both franchises has only served to make him into the ideal scapegoat for all that is wrong in modern sci-fi films.
To quote John Goodman in The Big Lebowski: I did not know that
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
I'm sorry, but it is clear from the execution and the stated intentions that Star Trek '09 is a reboot for the franchise. It was fully intended to be a starting over point, going back to the beginning and shaking things up. Abrams even wanted them to stop selling all the older merchandise so that the new films would be the sole Star Trek stuff on the market. The only reason that this didn't happen was because of the split in the production rights between Paramount and CBS.
And despite intention, it still not a reboot. It exists in the exact same continuity as every other film or series. Unless you use a strange made up definition of reboot that doesn't exist in reality, it's not a reboot.
On the other hand Discovery is clearly not a reboot, as it is supposed to be set as a precursor to the original series... which is why there is so much heartburn over how it is being handled. If Discovery was part of the actual rebooted Kelvin-verse then we wouldn't be seeing nearly as much backlash from all the stylistic changes.
Only heartburn from some. And it's Kelvin Timeline, not Kelvin-verse, it's an alternate timeline like AGT or Endgame, nothing more, nothing less. And still, NOT A REBOOT.
As for how fans treat Star Trek as opposed to Star Wars... you have clearly never seen any Star Wars forums. Older Star Wars fans hate the new Disney continuity as much as older Star Trek fans hate the Kelvin-verse. You can find this in pretty much any older fan community. Ironically though JJ Abrams' participation in both franchises has only served to make him into the ideal scapegoat for all that is wrong in modern sci-fi films.
Yeah, whining fanbois exist in every fandom.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Tell that to the current ideologues and their identitarian politics which has America in the grip of a cultural civil war
I suppose that some are overshooting things and have forgotten the whole point of humanism and feminism - that we treat people as people, realize that they are individuals with their own desires and capabilities, and judge them on their own merits, not based on stereotypes like color, faith, sex or some accident of birth.
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Tell that to the current ideologues and their identitarian politics which has America in the grip of a cultural civil war
I suppose that some are overshooting things and have forgotten the whole point of humanism and feminism - that we treat people as people, realize that they are individuals with their own desires and capabilities, and judge them on their own merits, not based on stereotypes like color, faith, sex or some accident of birth.
Absolutely so
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"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
I'm sorry, but it is clear from the execution and the stated intentions that Star Trek '09 is a reboot for the franchise.
I believe at one time the intent was to make JJ Trek a reboot, however that isn't what it turned out to be in reality. The "prime" continuity is still around.
Only due to the weird licensing split between Paramount and CBS. There currently exist two distinctly separate Star Trek universes, the Paramount one and the CBS one. You can choose whatever term tickles your fancy for this; reboot, alternate universe, parallel timeline, etc.
@jonsills, sorry I tried to look up a source for the merchandising thing, but I couldn't find anything under the glut of the past 8 years of other Star Trek news/articles/videos. *sigh* I seem to recall it was pretty widely reported at the time... Either way it never came about, so it doesn't do much good to discuss that possibility.
Let's see, TNG reimagined Trek from the ground up, altering key themes and concepts to create a wholly new series based loosely on Trek, but altering bits of the Trekverse past when it suited them to do so.
Not a reboot.
Enterprise reimagined Trek from the ground up, altering key themes and concepts to create a wholly new series based loosely on Trek, but altering bits of the Trekverse past when it suited them to do so.
Not a reboot.
Discovery may be, (we don't really know yet because we have seen less than five minutes of the show in all the trailers combined,) altering key themes and concepts to create a wholly new series based loosely on Trek, but altering bits of the Trekverse past if it suits them to do so.
Why, exactly, is this a reboot?
Also: why does it matter? Internal consistency has never been something Trek cared about, so it surprises me not at all that they still don't care.
If you want everything just like it was back when, the producers you want are fan filmers, not Trek producers, because they always want to go where no Trek has gone before.
The bridge on US Navy Ships is where they steer the ship. They fight the ship from the Combat Information Center. The CIC on the ship I lived on had a raised central seat from which the Captain or XO or Combat Information Officer Of The Watch could see all the radar, sonar, weapons, and ship status screens and the plotting boards. It was built in 1974.
Only due to the weird licensing split between Paramount and CBS.
Whatever the reason is, it still isn't a reboot because the original continuity still exists. Were it a reboot, there would be no prime universe. I can remember ST 2009 initially being advertised as such back then, however once production began and more information was released about the film, it was no longer sold as a reboot.
TV Tropes came up with the term Soft Reboot not too long ago. This is probably as close as you're really going to get.
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Only due to the weird licensing split between Paramount and CBS.
Whatever the reason is, it still isn't a reboot because the original continuity still exists. Were it a reboot, there would be no prime universe. I can remember ST 2009 initially being advertised as such back then, however once production began and more information was released about the film, it was no longer sold as a reboot.
TV Tropes came up with the term Soft Reboot not too long ago. This is probably as close as you're really going to get.
The article, in fact, references both the Kelvin Timeline and TRIBBLE as "soft reboots", although since we have no solid data regarding the content of TRIBBLE other than what we've seen in the trailers, they're basing that on the aesthetic. It also pretty much states in the intro that the TOS movies and TNG qualify as "soft reboots" as well.
(I also think they're incorrect about the 2016 Ghostbusters - in-dialog we're introduced to a bureau of the Department of Homeland Security that specializes in hiding paranormal events, and it's implied that this may well have been exactly what happened with the original Ghostbusters, when the department liason encourages them to continue what they're doing and says they'll even provide funding, but will have to make the ladies out to be a hoax anyway.)
Only due to the weird licensing split between Paramount and CBS.
Whatever the reason is, it still isn't a reboot because the original continuity still exists. Were it a reboot, there would be no prime universe. I can remember ST 2009 initially being advertised as such back then, however once production began and more information was released about the film, it was no longer sold as a reboot.
TV Tropes came up with the term Soft Reboot not too long ago. This is probably as close as you're really going to get.
The article, in fact, references both the Kelvin Timeline and TRIBBLE as "soft reboots", although since we have no solid data regarding the content of TRIBBLE other than what we've seen in the trailers, they're basing that on the aesthetic. It also pretty much states in the intro that the TOS movies and TNG qualify as "soft reboots" as well.
(I also think they're incorrect about the 2016 Ghostbusters - in-dialog we're introduced to a bureau of the Department of Homeland Security that specializes in hiding paranormal events, and it's implied that this may well have been exactly what happened with the original Ghostbusters, when the department liason encourages them to continue what they're doing and says they'll even provide funding, but will have to make the ladies out to be a hoax anyway.)
Also it's implied the originals retired and this is some point after that.
Tell that to the current ideologues and their identitarian politics which has America in the grip of a cultural civil war
I suppose that some are overshooting things and have forgotten the whole point of humanism and feminism - that we treat people as people, realize that they are individuals with their own desires and capabilities, and judge them on their own merits, not based on stereotypes like color, faith, sex or some accident of birth.
It's for people who have, in their echo chamber creeping extremism, forgotten these lessons that I use the term "alt-left". Ra
I would recommend using all the keys on your keyboard, and call them "ctrl-left". Though this is probably a topic left for other forums and threads.
That Discovery advertisement makes a point to mention that Star Trek has arrived in the 21st century and will have a homosexual character or a female protagonist is not a sign that they are going overboard with anythnig and begin showing more political messages down our throats than usual for Star Trek. The first black captain at the helm of a Startrek series was arguably one of the best-written and complex "Captains" in Star Trek.
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A new establish series with no links in continuity to the previous one but shares the names or traits of some characters and/or the setting.
TMP has Scotty talk about the refit (and the pre-refit is shown in TNG on displays) showing that (despite significantly new visual aesthetics enough to look like a different programme) TMP follows on from TOS. Ditto for TWoK and Khan, TNG has Bones in the first episode and Spock later on, ENT has In a Mirror Darkly (but nothing in its last episode because that was Terra Prime with no other episode after that), and the KT has Spock. We don't technically know about DSC yet (beyond the producers saying it's not a reboot) as the presence of Sarek doesn't automatically mean it's the same guy but we've been told it's not a reboot and it's likely true as the franchise has never been rebooted before.
The Amazing Spider-Man series has no link to the Spider-Man trilogy other than sharing certain characters (Peter, Harry, Gwen, May, Connors etc.) and the setting (New York City) and that's it. The characters are not the same people, the plots do not follow on and so on. TAS is a reboot of the trilogy. (please do not bring up the Ghost Rider problem )
I get you weren't really asking but I've used your words to spell it out.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The whole problem is based on the inability of people to grasp things, basically. The one article mentioning characters that could be used in DSC treats the KT films as if they'd influence DSC although there is no connection between the two.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
But Discovery does nothing that every new Trek before it hasn't already done. If it is a reboot, then so was TNG and Enterprise.
Oh I agree. However if, say, th premise of the show is that the United Federation Space Marines have been embroiled in a 200 year war with the Vulcans (small large eared pointed teethed greedy creatures) and their allies the Borg (crystalline spiders) lead by Janeway, destroyer of worlds then it indicates it's something slightly more than significant visual or minor plot changes (both of which are certainly nothing new).
I'm not saying that is the case, I'm roughly giving the point at which it becomes a reboot. Everything we've seen and heard so far though would indicate it's more of the same really.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Oh I agree. However if, say, th premise of the show is that the United Federation Space Marines have been embroiled in a 200 year war with the Vulcans (small large eared pointed teethed greedy creatures) and their allies the Borg (crystalline spiders) lead by Janeway, destroyer of worlds then it indicates it's something slightly more than significant visual or minor plot changes (both of which are certainly nothing new).
I'm not saying that is the case, I'm roughly giving the point at which it becomes a reboot. Everything we've seen and heard so far though would indicate it's more of the same really.
That's simply another quantum reality
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
A new establish series with no links in continuity to the previous one but shares the names or traits of some characters and/or the setting.
I have to challenge that. How do we know this to be true?
We've not got much data to go on now do we?
As much as it pains me to agree with artan, I've got to agree with everything in that quoted post (even if their intended context may not be what I'm reading it as)
What we've been shown in the trailers, shares the name of a character (Sarek) and (vaguely) the setting, but shares no other links to continuity. This, is what those not looking forward to Discovery, have been saying all along: It's the same in name only.
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
A new establish series with no links in continuity to the previous one but shares the names or traits of some characters and/or the setting.
I have to challenge that. How do we know this to be true?
We've not got much data to go on now do we?
Oh I wasn't referring to DSC there. Only spelling out what a reboot is. As of yet we don't know the full extent of how DSC works. But if it is part of the same continuity (in the same vain as The Incredible Hulk and Avengers Assemble despite the change in actor, characterisation, and appearance of the Hulk) then no matter the retcons it's a prequel/continuation. If it's not related at all (such as Hulk and The Incredible Hulk) then it's a reboot.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
It may just be me, or it may be just losing something in translation to text on a webpage... but, everyone from The Orville is coming off more arrogant than playful, as of late.
I don't like that. I think it's unnecessary. Then again, Seth McFarlane can be an a**hat a lot, so I guess that shouldn't be too surprising. Jackson's final comments, though, seem to draw a line where one doesn't need to be.
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I'm sorry i don't understand, may i ask what your thoughts are on the subject?
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
On the other hand Discovery is clearly not a reboot, as it is supposed to be set as a precursor to the original series... which is why there is so much heartburn over how it is being handled. If Discovery was part of the actual rebooted Kelvin-verse then we wouldn't be seeing nearly as much backlash from all the stylistic changes.
As for how fans treat Star Trek as opposed to Star Wars... you have clearly never seen any Star Wars forums. Older Star Wars fans hate the new Disney continuity as much as older Star Trek fans hate the Kelvin-verse. You can find this in pretty much any older fan community. Ironically though JJ Abrams' participation in both franchises has only served to make him into the ideal scapegoat for all that is wrong in modern sci-fi films.
My character Tsin'xing
Oh dear, begging the question to avoid the point
Still missing the point. And as for hysterical, you're the one who's throwing a hissyfit about anything Trek-related being referred to as a reboot, because it doesn't fit the dictionary term.
Oh look, an attempt at a grand flounce because you're (like always) unable to defend your viewpoint without resorting to personal attacks
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
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Yes and no... Discovery observably is a reboot, but it's not been acknowledged as such by CBS. They're just gaslighting and sticking to their stoey about it being Prime Timeline. Now had they simply said upfront that it was a reboot, or acknowledged that it was when people began to make that observation, then absolutely, there wouldn't be anywhere near the current backlash
To quote John Goodman in The Big Lebowski: I did not know that
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
And despite intention, it still not a reboot. It exists in the exact same continuity as every other film or series. Unless you use a strange made up definition of reboot that doesn't exist in reality, it's not a reboot.
Only heartburn from some. And it's Kelvin Timeline, not Kelvin-verse, it's an alternate timeline like AGT or Endgame, nothing more, nothing less. And still, NOT A REBOOT.
Yeah, whining fanbois exist in every fandom.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Only due to the weird licensing split between Paramount and CBS. There currently exist two distinctly separate Star Trek universes, the Paramount one and the CBS one. You can choose whatever term tickles your fancy for this; reboot, alternate universe, parallel timeline, etc.
@jonsills, sorry I tried to look up a source for the merchandising thing, but I couldn't find anything under the glut of the past 8 years of other Star Trek news/articles/videos. *sigh* I seem to recall it was pretty widely reported at the time... Either way it never came about, so it doesn't do much good to discuss that possibility.
Not a reboot.
Enterprise reimagined Trek from the ground up, altering key themes and concepts to create a wholly new series based loosely on Trek, but altering bits of the Trekverse past when it suited them to do so.
Not a reboot.
Discovery may be, (we don't really know yet because we have seen less than five minutes of the show in all the trailers combined,) altering key themes and concepts to create a wholly new series based loosely on Trek, but altering bits of the Trekverse past if it suits them to do so.
Why, exactly, is this a reboot?
Also: why does it matter? Internal consistency has never been something Trek cared about, so it surprises me not at all that they still don't care.
If you want everything just like it was back when, the producers you want are fan filmers, not Trek producers, because they always want to go where no Trek has gone before.
The bridge on US Navy Ships is where they steer the ship. They fight the ship from the Combat Information Center. The CIC on the ship I lived on had a raised central seat from which the Captain or XO or Combat Information Officer Of The Watch could see all the radar, sonar, weapons, and ship status screens and the plotting boards. It was built in 1974.
TV Tropes came up with the term Soft Reboot not too long ago. This is probably as close as you're really going to get.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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(I also think they're incorrect about the 2016 Ghostbusters - in-dialog we're introduced to a bureau of the Department of Homeland Security that specializes in hiding paranormal events, and it's implied that this may well have been exactly what happened with the original Ghostbusters, when the department liason encourages them to continue what they're doing and says they'll even provide funding, but will have to make the ladies out to be a hoax anyway.)
My character Tsin'xing
That Discovery advertisement makes a point to mention that Star Trek has arrived in the 21st century and will have a homosexual character or a female protagonist is not a sign that they are going overboard with anythnig and begin showing more political messages down our throats than usual for Star Trek.
A new establish series with no links in continuity to the previous one but shares the names or traits of some characters and/or the setting.
TMP has Scotty talk about the refit (and the pre-refit is shown in TNG on displays) showing that (despite significantly new visual aesthetics enough to look like a different programme) TMP follows on from TOS. Ditto for TWoK and Khan, TNG has Bones in the first episode and Spock later on, ENT has In a Mirror Darkly (but nothing in its last episode because that was Terra Prime with no other episode after that), and the KT has Spock. We don't technically know about DSC yet (beyond the producers saying it's not a reboot) as the presence of Sarek doesn't automatically mean it's the same guy but we've been told it's not a reboot and it's likely true as the franchise has never been rebooted before.
The Amazing Spider-Man series has no link to the Spider-Man trilogy other than sharing certain characters (Peter, Harry, Gwen, May, Connors etc.) and the setting (New York City) and that's it. The characters are not the same people, the plots do not follow on and so on. TAS is a reboot of the trilogy. (please do not bring up the Ghost Rider problem
I get you weren't really asking but I've used your words to spell it out.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Oh I agree. However if, say, th premise of the show is that the United Federation Space Marines have been embroiled in a 200 year war with the Vulcans (small large eared pointed teethed greedy creatures) and their allies the Borg (crystalline spiders) lead by Janeway, destroyer of worlds then it indicates it's something slightly more than significant visual or minor plot changes (both of which are certainly nothing new).
I'm not saying that is the case, I'm roughly giving the point at which it becomes a reboot. Everything we've seen and heard so far though would indicate it's more of the same really.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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That's simply another quantum reality
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We've not got much data to go on now do we?
My character Tsin'xing
What we've been shown in the trailers, shares the name of a character (Sarek) and (vaguely) the setting, but shares no other links to continuity. This, is what those not looking forward to Discovery, have been saying all along: It's the same in name only.
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
Oh I wasn't referring to DSC there. Only spelling out what a reboot is. As of yet we don't know the full extent of how DSC works. But if it is part of the same continuity (in the same vain as The Incredible Hulk and Avengers Assemble despite the change in actor, characterisation, and appearance of the Hulk) then no matter the retcons it's a prequel/continuation. If it's not related at all (such as Hulk and The Incredible Hulk) then it's a reboot.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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http://screenrant.com/orville-mark-jackson-interview-star-trek/
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
It may just be me, or it may be just losing something in translation to text on a webpage... but, everyone from The Orville is coming off more arrogant than playful, as of late.
I don't like that. I think it's unnecessary. Then again, Seth McFarlane can be an a**hat a lot, so I guess that shouldn't be too surprising. Jackson's final comments, though, seem to draw a line where one doesn't need to be.