1. Spock picks up a small unit of red matter and drops it to swallow Hobus. This singularity seems to have disappeared within the hour.
2. Nero picks up a similarly small unit of red matter and drops it to swallow Vulcan. This singularity's lifespan seems similar, as it disappears immediately upon consuming the planet.
3. The Jellyfish is destroyed. This singularity would be a major navigational hazard, especially in such close proximity to Sol. It is never mentioned, so it must also have been destroyed within a negligible amount of time.
Okay, so there's three. One is deliberately designed to dissipate quickly, two looks like somebody didn't bother to change the settings, and three was also stuck on the default setting, presumably some sort of feature to stop Romulan ships from creating portals when destroyed.
The stability time can be controlled? By what, reading the script, like the ST09 singularities do? Try again.
Plus, again, holding that much red matter aboard Each. And. Every. One. of your ships moves Romulus from being caused by distrust into being caused by an incredibly large idiot ball.
By the same space magic that allows for phasers to carry nanoprobes or allows torpedos to travel at warp with no engines. Or were you looking for a real science answer to the latest in a big old list of space magic?
If you're referring to the DS9 episode where a Changeling impersonating Bashir tries to ram a runabout into the Bajoran sun: There was something on that runabout, I can't remember what it was, but that was what was responsible.
The only reasonable explanation for these is that they're left unused to prevent anyone with a bone to pick with a government from knowing that they can easily do it. It's full of holes, but it's better than the alternative.
There you go, that's your answer to why the Romulans don't use Red Matter as a superweapon.
Self-replicating mines might have been working from an external stash of materials or cannibalizing leftover debris from a detonation - plus I think they were explicitly said to be as simple as possible. As for protomatter, you're going to have to be a bit more specific.
No. They don't work logically, there's no way around that. So it's space magic.
Finally, while there are gaping flaws in other Trek offerings (personally, I needn't look any farther than "Spock's Brain", "Threshold", or that one early Voyager episode which had the ship breach the event horizon of a black hole), at least they do it in a more or less consistent fashion that tells us that, as crappily executed as some parts of the episode in question may be, it's still Star Trek. The reboot doesn't even try to pretend it's Star Trek on any but the most superficial of levels.
Yeah, really consistent. So tell me, is it possible to beam through shields?
This is either a blatant lie or a case of severe self-delusion. (Actually, the self-delusion is there either way, it's just whether it's "they'll buy it!" or "it's true!" that remains to be seen.)
Sorry, I've been caught up in the news of the new ST series and the upcoming release of the third AR film I missed have missed news that ST had been rebooted.
Either that or somebody needs to learn what reboot means. Hint: It doesn't mean alternate reality whilst the prim reality keeps on existing.
But by all means, allow for your blind hatred for change to get in the way of making sense.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Again I say... They were Cadets on a Training Mission.
Traditions used during those times are probably dropped once one graduates from the Academy.
And Kirk became much less formal toward Saavik after the battle with Khan.
I understand that they were cadets, but I'm trying to think how Sisko addressed Red Squad and Nog... I think they were addressed primarily as 'Cadet'... (can't rightly remember...)
Also DS9 is about 75-100 years past TOS...that tradition of calling cadets Mister may have been done away with.
While keeping the tradition of calling a superior officer 'Sir' or addressing them by rank? No, I'm happy to accept the 'Mister' instances as something Meyer wrote because he'd been reading Hornblower...
If they get rid of one tradition it doesn't mean all traditions have to go too.
If you want to show that as a valid tradition, please cite any instances in TOS where any female officers (or officer candidates) were refered to as 'Mister'...
I don't care if Saavik was shown taking the Kobayashi Maru test or not, she wore an officer's uniform, with rank, and was addressed by rank. I'd question if she was even a cadet, as other cadets on board, the Enterprise were actually wearing cadet uniforms...
When Wesley attended the academy, despite having previously been granted a full-field commission to ensign, he was not referred to as 'Ensign Crusher', but wore the uniform of, and was treated as, any other cadet while at the academy..
Purely from the onscreen evidence, I'd suggest Saavik was actually a graduate who had simply returned to the academy to take that specific test as part of ongoing training -- or even re-training -- as part of career progression (such as when Deanna took the bridge officer's exam, but was able to do so aboard the Enterprise-D on the holodeck, by what amounted to 'correspondence course', which would not have been available in Saavik's day...
Were there any cadets shown in TOS? No. So there's no way to use it as evidence. While she did wear a uniform her collar was red which signified her as a cadet. She is later commissioned off screen as evidenced by her white collar in Search for Spock and The Voyage Home. http://www.st-spike.org/pages/uniforms/2278-2350/uniforms.htm
Again just because something was a tradition in TOS doesn't mean it has to stay that way in TNG. Roddenberry hated WOK because of all the military-ness of it. It stands to reason that he didn't like the Mister stuff (the actual script had way more stuff in it...like when ADM Kirk comes onboard the Enterprise for the first time he salutes the Federation flag). However in time some traditions are kept and some are gone. If we look at the US Navy as an example the Navy of 2016 is not the same as it was in 1916. Some traditions are still practiced while some are gone completely. Last I heard they were thinking about getting rid of the term 'Seaman'.
So it stands to reason that at one time cadets in StarFleet were once called Mister and that sometime before TNG that tradition was done away with.
Ah, that (and the link) clears up my mistake... I was thinking that the enlisted jumpsuits were cadet uniforms... Diregard my idea that Saavik was a graduate returning to take a test...
As for the tradition, again, I take it as an incongruous writing, rather than a tradition legitimate to the inVerse organisation. I agree with you that traditions come and go, but as before, the address used towards cadets in TNG and DS-9 is consistent, compared to the Mister business in WoK...
TNG and DS9 are consistent because they are happening at the same time. WOK is early 100 years in the past. It's like saying because they are wearing the maroon uniforms in WOK and because they are not wearing the uniforms in TNG and DS9 then the maroon uniforms aren't a legitimate uniform to the inVerse organization. Is it too out there to believe that at one time cadets were referred to a Mister and that around the time of TNG that usage was dropped?
IMHO, yes, given all other terms of address remained consistent between the time of Enterprise, to the time of Nemesis (except for the Mister malarky of WoK...)
There were cadets in Enterprise?
That there were no cadets is irrelevant, because the words of Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway (and I suspect Archer) show that it's not a cadet-only term, that's just how you're trying to hang it... There were numerous female officers in Enterprise, and ToS, and TNG,and DS-9, and Voyager, and in none of those series, was the term 'Mister' applied to female officers... Only to Saavik, and as dave suggests, most likely a 'Kirk-ism'...
So the so called consistent use of Trek science in the past. One example is enough, though more are easy.
Holodeck matter is not real matter right? Right. Except when someone falls in water and drips all over the deck as they stand there in wet clothes outside the Holodeck, or when a snowball flies through the open holodeck door, or when Data carries a hand drawn picture from Moriarty to the bridge.
Now for the "it was never seen before so it could not have ever been a part of anything before".
Prior to the TNG episode The Wounded Cardassians had never been seen or heard of, yet supposedly they had a long history including conflicts with the Federation, and Klingon Empire (an 18 year "incident"), not to mention the Occupation of Bajor. According to information given they had been in conflict with the Federation during Kirk's time, obviously no mention of them exists in TOS so they must not have existed then right? Apply the same standards to every aspect of the franchise and nearly all of these type of arguments fall to pieces in moments.
"Much of it is real..." Data to Riker, moments before...
So the so called consistent use of Trek science in the past. One example is enough, though more are easy.
Holodeck matter is not real matter right? Right. Except when someone falls in water and drips all over the deck as they stand there in wet clothes outside the Holodeck, or when a snowball flies through the open holodeck door, or when Data carries a hand drawn picture from Moriarty to the bridge.
Now for the "it was never seen before so it could not have ever been a part of anything before".
Prior to the TNG episode The Wounded Cardassians had never been seen or heard of, yet supposedly they had a long history including conflicts with the Federation, and Klingon Empire (an 18 year "incident"), not to mention the Occupation of Bajor. According to information given they had been in conflict with the Federation during Kirk's time, obviously no mention of them exists in TOS so they must not have existed then right? Apply the same standards to every aspect of the franchise and nearly all of these type of arguments fall to pieces in moments.
"Much of it is real..." Data to Riker, moments before...
That line was in Farpoint, not any of the episodes I mentioned, besides it got retconned away soon enough, how many times did the Doctor tell everyone that all of the holodeck stuff was "Photons and Force Fields". Also, in another episode Picard tossed a book out of the holodeck door to demonstrate the unreality of holodeck matter (the Big Goodbye IIRC) it vanished instantly before even hitting the ground, thus is shown that holodeck matter is not real matter only when the story needs it to not be.
Yes, Farpoint, and that was one of the examples you mentioned: Wes fell in the stream, and Data pulled him out... And as you say, it was real when the story needed it to be. I'm not sure of the point you were trying to make, other than 'stuff' revolved around plot requirements, which is pretty much true of any story, as I illustrated the other day with Jack and the Beanstalk...
Ok, first off, yes Wesley fell in water in Farpoint, you are correct. I was thinking of Worf and Beverley Crusher in Generations though forgot all about Wes. My point was that the "science" of Trek which some are claiming to be internally consistent, meaning always works the same way all the time, is not consistent and can change how it works, and drastically, at any time according to the needs of the writers.
At least in regards to the holodecks it isn't that far off, though. Of course you are right, but in this particular instance I think the tech manual makes sense of what we see. The Holodeck uses both replicator technology and holographic technology. So when you eat in a holographic restaurant you get of course real (replicated) food or when you go skiing you'd want snow that feels like snow not like... nothing.
Of course the implications of how many resources that must consume, especially in Voyager when we are told energy is sparse but the holodeck is running 24/7 we soon hit another inconsistensy road block.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I always assumed they use replicator tech together with holodeck tech for a more entertaining experience to explain most occurrences in which stuff like snowballs get carried out.
I always assumed they use replicator tech together with holodeck tech for a more entertaining experience to explain most occurrences in which stuff like snowballs get carried out.
That's also what the tech manual says and it's an explanation fitting what is seen early on. Of course the Voyager line of everything being holographic screws with that, but then again I don't see the Voyager crew eating int he casino playing pretend and chew on nothing. So maybe there's different kinds of holodecks. Holosuits and the Ent-Ds holodecks use a holographic/replicator combined tech because they are primarily for entertainment purposes. Maybe Voyager had a "smaller" version of holodecks without the energy hungry replicator tech or there's generally two types of holodecks or... or...
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
So the so called consistent use of Trek science in the past. One example is enough, though more are easy.
Holodeck matter is not real matter right? Right. Except when someone falls in water and drips all over the deck as they stand there in wet clothes outside the Holodeck, or when a snowball flies through the open holodeck door, or when Data carries a hand drawn picture from Moriarty to the bridge.
Now for the "it was never seen before so it could not have ever been a part of anything before".
Prior to the TNG episode The Wounded Cardassians had never been seen or heard of, yet supposedly they had a long history including conflicts with the Federation, and Klingon Empire (an 18 year "incident"), not to mention the Occupation of Bajor. According to information given they had been in conflict with the Federation during Kirk's time, obviously no mention of them exists in TOS so they must not have existed then right? Apply the same standards to every aspect of the franchise and nearly all of these type of arguments fall to pieces in moments.
"Much of it is real..." Data to Riker, moments before...
That line was in Farpoint, not any of the episodes I mentioned, besides it got retconned away soon enough, how many times did the Doctor tell everyone that all of the holodeck stuff was "Photons and Force Fields". Also, in another episode Picard tossed a book out of the holodeck door to demonstrate the unreality of holodeck matter (the Big Goodbye IIRC) it vanished instantly before even hitting the ground, thus is shown that holodeck matter is not real matter only when the story needs it to not be.
Yes, Farpoint, and that was one of the examples you mentioned: Wes fell in the stream, and Data pulled him out... And as you say, it was real when the story needed it to be. I'm not sure of the point you were trying to make, other than 'stuff' revolved around plot requirements, which is pretty much true of any story, as I illustrated the other day with Jack and the Beanstalk...
Ok, first off, yes Wesley fell in water in Farpoint, you are correct. I was thinking of Worf and Beverley Crusher in Generations though forgot all about Wes. My point was that the "science" of Trek which some are claiming to be internally consistent, meaning always works the same way all the time, is not consistent and can change how it works, and drastically, at any time according to the needs of the writers.
Ahh, okay... And yes... I would say that for the most part, the science is internally consistent, barring Plot Requirements...
Realistically, Jack should have got partway up the beanstalk, passed out from oxygen deprivation and fell to his doom, but that's nowhere near as interesting a story... Some stuff just has to be let slide*
* unless it is clearly sloppy writing, such as Cold Fusion or references to a Laurentian Anything...
[Edit to add]
Also, differences in somethings, holodeck operation, for example, can be easily handwaved by 'Software Updates'... New software brings different protocols. Look how Shazam has changed over the years... Now transpose that to the ship's OS...
I tell you what if the Holodecks could create stuff that can be taken out of the holodeck, I certainly would be coming up with much better things than snowballs and paintings....
It couldn't create actual living beings, the creation capabilities are those of a standard/food replicator (sorry to put a damper on your fantasy )
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Not sure where your mind is, but I was thinking more along the lines of exotic cars, my own private jet, yachts, enormous piles of cash, etc.
I'm a piggy. I think piggy stuff
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
So the so called consistent use of Trek science in the past. One example is enough, though more are easy.
Holodeck matter is not real matter right? Right. Except when someone falls in water and drips all over the deck as they stand there in wet clothes outside the Holodeck, or when a snowball flies through the open holodeck door, or when Data carries a hand drawn picture from Moriarty to the bridge.
Now for the "it was never seen before so it could not have ever been a part of anything before".
Prior to the TNG episode The Wounded Cardassians had never been seen or heard of, yet supposedly they had a long history including conflicts with the Federation, and Klingon Empire (an 18 year "incident"), not to mention the Occupation of Bajor. According to information given they had been in conflict with the Federation during Kirk's time, obviously no mention of them exists in TOS so they must not have existed then right? Apply the same standards to every aspect of the franchise and nearly all of these type of arguments fall to pieces in moments.
"Much of it is real..." Data to Riker, moments before...
That line was in Farpoint, not any of the episodes I mentioned, besides it got retconned away soon enough, how many times did the Doctor tell everyone that all of the holodeck stuff was "Photons and Force Fields". Also, in another episode Picard tossed a book out of the holodeck door to demonstrate the unreality of holodeck matter (the Big Goodbye IIRC) it vanished instantly before even hitting the ground, thus is shown that holodeck matter is not real matter only when the story needs it to not be.
Yes, Farpoint, and that was one of the examples you mentioned: Wes fell in the stream, and Data pulled him out... And as you say, it was real when the story needed it to be. I'm not sure of the point you were trying to make, other than 'stuff' revolved around plot requirements, which is pretty much true of any story, as I illustrated the other day with Jack and the Beanstalk...
Ok, first off, yes Wesley fell in water in Farpoint, you are correct. I was thinking of Worf and Beverley Crusher in Generations though forgot all about Wes. My point was that the "science" of Trek which some are claiming to be internally consistent, meaning always works the same way all the time, is not consistent and can change how it works, and drastically, at any time according to the needs of the writers.
Ahh, okay... And yes... I would say that for the most part, the science is internally consistent, barring Plot Requirements...
Realistically, Jack should have got partway up the beanstalk, passed out from oxygen deprivation and fell to his doom, but that's nowhere near as interesting a story... Some stuff just has to be let slide*
* unless it is clearly sloppy writing, such as Cold Fusion or references to a Laurentian Anything...
[Edit to add]
Also, differences in somethings, holodeck operation, for example, can be easily handwaved by 'Software Updates'... New software brings different protocols. Look how Shazam has changed over the years... Now transpose that to the ship's OS...
I always figured that the BIG FRIGGIN' PLANT was creating enough O2 around itself to keep Jack alive.
<chuckle>
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So the so called consistent use of Trek science in the past. One example is enough, though more are easy.
Holodeck matter is not real matter right? Right. Except when someone falls in water and drips all over the deck as they stand there in wet clothes outside the Holodeck, or when a snowball flies through the open holodeck door, or when Data carries a hand drawn picture from Moriarty to the bridge.
Now for the "it was never seen before so it could not have ever been a part of anything before".
Prior to the TNG episode The Wounded Cardassians had never been seen or heard of, yet supposedly they had a long history including conflicts with the Federation, and Klingon Empire (an 18 year "incident"), not to mention the Occupation of Bajor. According to information given they had been in conflict with the Federation during Kirk's time, obviously no mention of them exists in TOS so they must not have existed then right? Apply the same standards to every aspect of the franchise and nearly all of these type of arguments fall to pieces in moments.
"Much of it is real..." Data to Riker, moments before...
That line was in Farpoint, not any of the episodes I mentioned, besides it got retconned away soon enough, how many times did the Doctor tell everyone that all of the holodeck stuff was "Photons and Force Fields". Also, in another episode Picard tossed a book out of the holodeck door to demonstrate the unreality of holodeck matter (the Big Goodbye IIRC) it vanished instantly before even hitting the ground, thus is shown that holodeck matter is not real matter only when the story needs it to not be.
Yes, Farpoint, and that was one of the examples you mentioned: Wes fell in the stream, and Data pulled him out... And as you say, it was real when the story needed it to be. I'm not sure of the point you were trying to make, other than 'stuff' revolved around plot requirements, which is pretty much true of any story, as I illustrated the other day with Jack and the Beanstalk...
Ok, first off, yes Wesley fell in water in Farpoint, you are correct. I was thinking of Worf and Beverley Crusher in Generations though forgot all about Wes. My point was that the "science" of Trek which some are claiming to be internally consistent, meaning always works the same way all the time, is not consistent and can change how it works, and drastically, at any time according to the needs of the writers.
Ahh, okay... And yes... I would say that for the most part, the science is internally consistent, barring Plot Requirements...
Realistically, Jack should have got partway up the beanstalk, passed out from oxygen deprivation and fell to his doom, but that's nowhere near as interesting a story... Some stuff just has to be let slide*
* unless it is clearly sloppy writing, such as Cold Fusion or references to a Laurentian Anything...
[Edit to add]
Also, differences in somethings, holodeck operation, for example, can be easily handwaved by 'Software Updates'... New software brings different protocols. Look how Shazam has changed over the years... Now transpose that to the ship's OS...
I always figured that the BIG FRIGGIN' PLANT was creating enough O2 around itself to keep Jack alive.
<chuckle>
So the so called consistent use of Trek science in the past. One example is enough, though more are easy.
Holodeck matter is not real matter right? Right. Except when someone falls in water and drips all over the deck as they stand there in wet clothes outside the Holodeck, or when a snowball flies through the open holodeck door, or when Data carries a hand drawn picture from Moriarty to the bridge.
holodeck matter is simply forms created by a type of transporter that converts energy into matter and then converts it back through the holoprojectors. objects can not exist outside the holodeck.
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So the so called consistent use of Trek science in the past. One example is enough, though more are easy.
Holodeck matter is not real matter right? Right. Except when someone falls in water and drips all over the deck as they stand there in wet clothes outside the Holodeck, or when a snowball flies through the open holodeck door, or when Data carries a hand drawn picture from Moriarty to the bridge.
holodeck matter is simply forms created by a type of transporter that converts energy into matter and then converts it back through the holoprojectors. objects can not exist outside the holodeck.
So, apparently, this is the first official photo of the new series... sorta...
They're filming a TV promo for the new series... IF THIS IS REAL... my guess is, it could drop between the end of March Madness (which is on CBS, and is usually in April) to sometime during May Sweeps. This is supposed to be an astronaut exploring a strange terrain. My other guesses are:
this promo will be conceptual in nature
we likely won't see the new crew, or new ship (seems way too early)
we MIGHT get the title
it will be short
It might be similar to the Enterprise construction teaser from 2009's Abrams film. Short, reveals nothing about plot, pure hype generator. I bet it will be the same idea here.
EDIT TO ADD: Sources for this are r/StarTrek, by way of both Facebook and TrekCore Forums. Take with grain of salt.
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Maybe it'll be about Rodenberry trying to pitch Star Trek to CBS in the 60s. They'd troll people so hard with that.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Maybe it's gonna be a planet based show cause CBS doesn't want to spend a lot of cash.
STAR TREK: PLANETBOUND
" WE"RE NOT GOING TO WASTE MONEY ON SPACESHIP SHOTS ANY MORE"
<snicker>
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Okay, so there's three. One is deliberately designed to dissipate quickly, two looks like somebody didn't bother to change the settings, and three was also stuck on the default setting, presumably some sort of feature to stop Romulan ships from creating portals when destroyed.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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"Much of it is real..." Data to Riker, moments before...
At least in regards to the holodecks it isn't that far off, though. Of course you are right, but in this particular instance I think the tech manual makes sense of what we see. The Holodeck uses both replicator technology and holographic technology. So when you eat in a holographic restaurant you get of course real (replicated) food or when you go skiing you'd want snow that feels like snow not like... nothing.
Of course the implications of how many resources that must consume, especially in Voyager when we are told energy is sparse but the holodeck is running 24/7 we soon hit another inconsistensy road block.
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That's also what the tech manual says and it's an explanation fitting what is seen early on. Of course the Voyager line of everything being holographic screws with that, but then again I don't see the Voyager crew eating int he casino playing pretend and chew on nothing. So maybe there's different kinds of holodecks. Holosuits and the Ent-Ds holodecks use a holographic/replicator combined tech because they are primarily for entertainment purposes. Maybe Voyager had a "smaller" version of holodecks without the energy hungry replicator tech or there's generally two types of holodecks or... or...
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Realistically, Jack should have got partway up the beanstalk, passed out from oxygen deprivation and fell to his doom, but that's nowhere near as interesting a story... Some stuff just has to be let slide*
* unless it is clearly sloppy writing, such as Cold Fusion or references to a Laurentian Anything...
[Edit to add]
Also, differences in somethings, holodeck operation, for example, can be easily handwaved by 'Software Updates'... New software brings different protocols. Look how Shazam has changed over the years... Now transpose that to the ship's OS...
It couldn't create actual living beings, the creation capabilities are those of a standard/food replicator
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I always figured that the BIG FRIGGIN' PLANT was creating enough O2 around itself to keep Jack alive.
<chuckle>
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holodeck matter is simply forms created by a type of transporter that converts energy into matter and then converts it back through the holoprojectors. objects can not exist outside the holodeck.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
They're filming a TV promo for the new series... IF THIS IS REAL... my guess is, it could drop between the end of March Madness (which is on CBS, and is usually in April) to sometime during May Sweeps. This is supposed to be an astronaut exploring a strange terrain. My other guesses are:
It might be similar to the Enterprise construction teaser from 2009's Abrams film. Short, reveals nothing about plot, pure hype generator. I bet it will be the same idea here.
EDIT TO ADD: Sources for this are r/StarTrek, by way of both Facebook and TrekCore Forums. Take with grain of salt.
Here is TrekCore's article: http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/03/first-photos-from-star-trek-2017-pre-production/
To Everything!!
Star Trek: SPACE 2099
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I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
Maybe it'll be about Rodenberry trying to pitch Star Trek to CBS in the 60s. They'd troll people so hard with that.
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Maybe it's gonna be a planet based show cause CBS doesn't want to spend a lot of cash.
STAR TREK: PLANETBOUND
" WE"RE NOT GOING TO WASTE MONEY ON SPACESHIP SHOTS ANY MORE"
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Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
Star Trek : Sanitation Department "Boldly cleaning up , after those who boldly go"
They're actually calling it: Star Trek: Meh, Good Enough....
Rumor is the theme will be a version of "Faith of the Heart" on the kazoo...
... I think I'm done for now.