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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    azrael605 wrote: »
    The anthology rumor has been around longer than the Starfleet Criminal Investigation Service rumor I started in 2013.

    Indeed. It's the "hot" thing to do, now... the happy median between full-blown serialized shows, and episodic shows of old.

    I'm not opposed to the idea, if done right. But this "post-TUC/pre-TNG" era idea doesn't sound like a great one, the more I think about it.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    mhall85 wrote: »
    An anthology has some pros, but also some pretty big cons. The obvious pros are variety and always something new every season. That said, I think a pretty big con is the fact that we wouldn't really ever get to know the crew if it was changing every season. Considering how much character development has mattered in the Trek franchise, this would be a pretty big departure from the core of what Star Trek is, to date.

    I could see an anthology following the crew of a time ship working. Each season they could go to a different era to stop someone from altering time, use a ship, tech, and uniforms of that era, but still follow the same crew. It would be an anthology in the sense that the setting would be completely different each season, but we'd still get to know the characters

    See... that just ultimately sounds like Star Trek: Fan Service. Meh.

    I'm tired of time travel.

    Just to be clear, I didn't say it was what I wanted, just that it could work. I personally would like a post-nemesis, exploration themed show.
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    An anthology has some pros, but also some pretty big cons. The obvious pros are variety and always something new every season. That said, I think a pretty big con is the fact that we wouldn't really ever get to know the crew if it was changing every season. Considering how much character development has mattered in the Trek franchise, this would be a pretty big departure from the core of what Star Trek is, to date.

    I could see an anthology following the crew of a time ship working. Each season they could go to a different era to stop someone from altering time, use a ship, tech, and uniforms of that era, but still follow the same crew. It would be an anthology in the sense that the setting would be completely different each season, but we'd still get to know the characters

    I don't think what you are describing is actually an anthology. I mean, Voyager was constantly traveling and always encountering some new species, but that didn't make that show an anthology because it was focused on a single ship and crew. So your idea isn't bad at all, but it also isn't an anthology.

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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    An anthology has some pros, but also some pretty big cons. The obvious pros are variety and always something new every season. That said, I think a pretty big con is the fact that we wouldn't really ever get to know the crew if it was changing every season. Considering how much character development has mattered in the Trek franchise, this would be a pretty big departure from the core of what Star Trek is, to date.

    I could see an anthology following the crew of a time ship working. Each season they could go to a different era to stop someone from altering time, use a ship, tech, and uniforms of that era, but still follow the same crew. It would be an anthology in the sense that the setting would be completely different each season, but we'd still get to know the characters

    I don't think what you are describing is actually an anthology. I mean, Voyager was constantly traveling and always encountering some new species, but that didn't make that show an anthology because it was focused on a single ship and crew. So your idea isn't bad at all, but it also isn't an anthology.

    It's not an anthology in the traditional sense no, but IMHO its the closest thing that would work in trek. And it would certainly be more of an anthology than voyager. Voyager always had the same ship and uniforms, and was always in the delta quadrant with the goal of getting to earth, all things that would change from season to season with my suggestion, as it would retain only the actual crew between seasons while changing the time, setting, objective, equipment etc.
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  • odyssey47odyssey47 Member Posts: 524 Arc User
    edited April 2016
    jonsills wrote: »
    khan5000 wrote: »
    I don't see how setting it after UC handcuffs the show. If it's not set on an Enterprise they can create their own stories without conflicting with canon
    As long as there are no important alien races that aren't referenced in TNG or later, no major interstellar incidents happen that contradict later canon.

    Just because something isn't mentioned in a later show doesn't mean it couldn't exist. They never once mentioned or showed a Telllarite in TNG or Voyager, and only one quick mention on DS9, and there were one of the founders of the Federation. Not one Andorian was seen in the flesh in any of those series either. That's why it annoys me when people complain that we never saw a Denobulan post Enterprise. Doesn't mean anything. As far as interstellar incidents, the Cardassian war pre TNG was thrown in without it really making sense so that doesn't mean much either.
    khan5000 wrote: »

    On the one hand, I like it the idea of filling in this ‘missing history’. On the other, I don’t. Placing the show in that time period handcuffs the writers’ freedom, because they can’t do anything that will conflict with future canon. I would have preferred something post Nemesis with no limits to what they can do going forward. All of that said, I’m looking forward to seeing what happens, and if it is a good story that is all that will matter.

    No major event really occurred during TNG's entire run, so it wouldn't be that difficult.
    equinox976 wrote: »
    So they are thinking of making an anthology type show...

    A bit like one of the worste episodes ever: shades of grey?
    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Shades_of_Gray_(episode)

    In essence the flotsam that is broadcasted when things get a bit lazy.

    If the Trek franchise is really going to be reduced to such a thing, I think I might just cry :P

    How are you confusing a clip show episode with an anthology series? I don't think a lot of you understand what this means. It would be like American Horror Story. Different setting and characters every season.
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,469 Arc User
    No major events during TNG?? Romulan Empire returning from obscurity? Klingon Arbiter of Succession being a human - a Starfleet officer, no less? The Klingon Civil War? Confirmation and enforcement of the Cardassian DMZ? The alerting of the Iconians? Any of this ringing any bells here?
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    No major events during TNG?? Romulan Empire returning from obscurity? Klingon Arbiter of Succession being a human - a Starfleet officer, no less? The Klingon Civil War? Confirmation and enforcement of the Cardassian DMZ? The alerting of the Iconians? Any of this ringing any bells here?

    The discovery of the Borg, Wolf 359, etc. But no, obviously none of that had any impact on future Trek :D

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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    jonsills wrote: »
    No major events during TNG?? Romulan Empire returning from obscurity? Klingon Arbiter of Succession being a human - a Starfleet officer, no less? The Klingon Civil War? Confirmation and enforcement of the Cardassian DMZ? The alerting of the Iconians? Any of this ringing any bells here?

    Ain't it fascinating, too, that both the Klingon events (led to Gowron ascending to power), and the Cardassian events planted the seed for the Dominion War? Had the Cardassain withdrawal from Bajor not been handled so shoddily, they might not have been such a threat... and had Gowron not been elevated to power, he would not have driven the wounded Cardassians into the arms of the Dominion. (Of course, Duras was a jackass, and would have likely led a Klingon-Romulan assault on the Federation.)

    It once again proves my theory: it's all Picard's fault. :smiley: The Dominion War, Sela, The Iconian War, the Abramsverse... all Picard's fault.

    HEY! That could be a thing in the new series! :tongue:
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    No major events during TNG?? Romulan Empire returning from obscurity? Klingon Arbiter of Succession being a human - a Starfleet officer, no less? The Klingon Civil War? Confirmation and enforcement of the Cardassian DMZ? The alerting of the Iconians? Any of this ringing any bells here?
    jonsills wrote: »
    No major events during TNG?? Romulan Empire returning from obscurity? Klingon Arbiter of Succession being a human - a Starfleet officer, no less? The Klingon Civil War? Confirmation and enforcement of the Cardassian DMZ? The alerting of the Iconians? Any of this ringing any bells here?

    Would it be something that would neccessarily be mentioned a decade later?

    The Borg could have potentially exteriminated the Federation, but the only lasting effect were basicaly 39 destroyed ship and a Federation that prepared itself for a dangerous enemy (which quite possibly allowed the Dominion War to play out as it played out.)
    V'Ger and the Whale Probe are never mentioned in TNG, DS9 or VOY.

    There could have been similar events in the timeline, and people might just have never mentioned them because the directly visible effects were not there. There is probably no space for a Dominon War scale event - but some border skirmishes, the destruction of a few colonies, and even an existential hread that ultimately gets resolved before anything major happens (like the Borg in TNG) could fit in.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    To stay fair, V'Ger and the Whale Probe were movie events. Nothing from the movies ever made it into the shows, probably because of the "license split" Star Trek's movieverse always was a separate thing, kind of. Only exception is the Borg Queen in Voyager, but I'm not sure if they ever mentioned the events of First Contact.​​
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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    angrytarg wrote: »
    To stay fair, V'Ger and the Whale Probe were movie events. Nothing from the movies ever made it into the shows, probably because of the "license split" Star Trek's movieverse always was a separate thing, kind of. Only exception is the Borg Queen in Voyager, but I'm not sure if they ever mentioned the events of First Contact.​​

    There was no "license split" back then. It was all Paramount, all the time.

    There are passing references to the movies littered throughout the various series... "Unification" mentions the events of Star Trek VI, "In Purgatory's Shadow" mentions the Borg attack in First Contact, Voyager has a few...

    They just don't mention it, because it's not pertinent to daily conversation. I mean, I don't walk around randomly mentioning the Civil War, the Cuban Missle Crisis, or 9/11.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,469 Arc User
    This would be more akin to being in the US Armed Forces, and somehow going through your entire career without ever referencing the Iraq conflict, Vietnam, or WWII. Remember, we're dealing with Starfleet, not a random bunch of Federation citizens communicating via hypernet discussion nodes.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    There was a Voyager episode where Harry and B'Lanna were trapped in a turbolift. To pass the time they were playing a trivia game. The last question was about the name of Zephram Chocrane's ship, the person asked was unable to answer, however Seven then forced open the lift doors from outside, provided the answer to the question, then added "The Borg were involved in those events".

    That's right, there are a few passing remarks as @mhall85 pointed out as well. But they're not really meaningful and some of the stuff that happens in the movies is defintiely something they'd reference.

    mhall85 wrote: »
    (...)They just don't mention it, because it's not pertinent to daily conversation. I mean, I don't walk around randomly mentioning the Civil War, the Cuban Missle Crisis, or 9/11.

    For roughly a decade nobody would not talk about 9/11 in civilian life. And now imagine you were in the service dealing with the event first hand. It is definitely a topic. Wolf 359 was referenced quite a few times in TNG and DS9 alike and maybe even Voyager.​​
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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited April 2016
    Eh, I'm not going to bag on them for that... they only had 45 minutes to tell a story every week, and they didn't need to drop in a reference every week.

    Now, references would have helped Insurrection, as that occurred during the Dominion War... but you really wouldn't have known it, aside from a passing reference to Ketracel White. SFDebris points out that, had they taken advantage of that, it could have set up better motivations for some of the crew.

    By and large, however, they did a decent job of universe building. There could have been a number of conversations happening off-screen, that we never saw.

    EDIT TO ADD: When they DID decide to do this more frequently, we got Enterprise. Just sayin'. :tongue:
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  • odyssey47odyssey47 Member Posts: 524 Arc User
    equinox976 wrote: »
    So they are thinking of making an anthology type show...

    A bit like one of the worste episodes ever: shades of grey?
    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Shades_of_Gray_(episode)

    In essence the flotsam that is broadcasted when things get a bit lazy.

    If the Trek franchise is really going to be reduced to such a thing, I think I might just cry :P
    jonsills wrote: »
    No major events during TNG?? Romulan Empire returning from obscurity? Klingon Arbiter of Succession being a human - a Starfleet officer, no less? The Klingon Civil War? Confirmation and enforcement of the Cardassian DMZ? The alerting of the Iconians? Any of this ringing any bells here?
    jonsills wrote: »
    No major events during TNG?? Romulan Empire returning from obscurity? Klingon Arbiter of Succession being a human - a Starfleet officer, no less? The Klingon Civil War? Confirmation and enforcement of the Cardassian DMZ? The alerting of the Iconians? Any of this ringing any bells here?

    Would it be something that would neccessarily be mentioned a decade later?

    The Borg could have potentially exteriminated the Federation, but the only lasting effect were basicaly 39 destroyed ship and a Federation that prepared itself for a dangerous enemy (which quite possibly allowed the Dominion War to play out as it played out.)
    V'Ger and the Whale Probe are never mentioned in TNG, DS9 or VOY.

    There could have been similar events in the timeline, and people might just have never mentioned them because the directly visible effects were not there. There is probably no space for a Dominon War scale event - but some border skirmishes, the destruction of a few colonies, and even an existential hread that ultimately gets resolved before anything major happens (like the Borg in TNG) could fit in.

    You knew what I meant at least. The rest were being a little too literal. As I meant, nothing major occurred in TNG that would require a later series to specifically mention it.
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  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    Oh joy, rumor mongers echoing rumor mongers.

    Can we all just take a step back for a moment and say the obvious out loud?

    Doing the new series anthology style is flat TRIBBLE stupid.

    The biggest enemy of genre shows is the cost to produce them. Here we have fans and bloggers dancing around merrily declaring "Oh yes, lets saddle this fledgling show with having to find a new cast every season, having to do new costumes every season, having to build new sets every season, have to sculpt new ships (digitally or practical) for both the main ships and the opposition every season..."

    In other words lets never actually build up a bank of assets so the costs GO DOWN as your show picks up speed. It amounts to forcing the show to be green lit from scratch every single year. That is a NIGHTMARE scenario. Assuming of course that you want it to have a long run...
  • lordrezeonlordrezeon Member Posts: 399 Arc User
    Hmmm... If they were going to do a multi-generational series I think I would prefer if they had the show set on a single ship. We've seen that Starfleet often uses its starships for at least a century before retiring them. So having a show that spans the gulf between the century long gap between the TOS and TNG eras wouldn't be that much of a stretch.

    The show could easily start with the ship being launched during the first season of TOS, it could then bounce to the TMP era, the post ST6 Enterprise-B era, the pre-TNG Enterprise-C era, and finally capping it off during the first season of TNG. With the ship starting as the newest cutting edge ship in the fleet and slowly becoming old and outdated by the time of its final voyage.

    To give a sense of commonality the multiple crews of the ship could all participate in portions of a larger century spanning mystery.
  • lazarxlazarx Member Posts: 115 Arc User
    Bryan Fuller, Nicholas Meyer, Rod Roddenberry ... this is going to be interesting. :P

    More than likely most are just names to add to the billing. I'm pretty sure that Meyer is going to be doing the bulk of the creative work.

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  • lazarxlazarx Member Posts: 115 Arc User
    While the additions in the last few weeks to producers have been great, I am a little concerned with the NUMBER of executive producers. It's my experience when the number of executive producers is higher than the number of normal cast ( exaggerating of course but you get the point) the show tends to have,,,, creative issues. I am sincerely hoping I am wrong on this, and I am still optimistic about this show it is a mild concern.

    All that being said I watched " The captains" and thought it was a GREAT tribute to not only Gene Roddenberry but Star Trek itself. Rod seems like a perfect fit to head this new show, along with the director or Arguably two of the BEST Original series movies, and a writer who has extensive experience writing for different Trek series.

    The next step is going to be deciding WHEN to place the new show in the Trek Universe. It is highly unlikely to take place in the JJ Verse because Paramount Owns the JJ verse, so will it be in between one of the existing Trek series, or take place after the end of Voyager? I'm hoping for the last option. 50-75 years after Voyager would allow much more leeway in terms of story, and wouldn't put the writers into a narrow box, like they had with Enterprise.

    I suspect that by this time next year, we'll have coined the term "Meyerverse".

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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    lazarx wrote: »
    Bryan Fuller, Nicholas Meyer, Rod Roddenberry ... this is going to be interesting. :P

    More than likely most are just names to add to the billing. I'm pretty sure that Meyer is going to be doing the bulk of the creative work.

    Bryan Fuller is the "showrunner." He is the one in charge of the writers room, and he is the one dictating creative control. Meyer may work with him, and have input, but this is Fuller's show.
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  • captclazoruscaptclazorus Member Posts: 377 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    An anthology has some pros, but also some pretty big cons. The obvious pros are variety and always something new every season. That said, I think a pretty big con is the fact that we wouldn't really ever get to know the crew if it was changing every season. Considering how much character development has mattered in the Trek franchise, this would be a pretty big departure from the core of what Star Trek is, to date.

    I could see an anthology following the crew of a time ship working. Each season they could go to a different era to stop someone from altering time, use a ship, tech, and uniforms of that era, but still follow the same crew. It would be an anthology in the sense that the setting would be completely different each season, but we'd still get to know the characters

    Actually that sounds exactly like what Berman wanted to do following Voyager, which is why he introduced the USS Relativity on Voyager and established the future Starfleet as temporal explorers and guardians. Its also why he jammed the "Temporal Cold War" into Enterprise.
    azrael605 wrote: »
    An anthology has some pros, but also some pretty big cons. The obvious pros are variety and always something new every season. That said, I think a pretty big con is the fact that we wouldn't really ever get to know the crew if it was changing every season. Considering how much character development has mattered in the Trek franchise, this would be a pretty big departure from the core of what Star Trek is, to date.

    I could see an anthology following the crew of a time ship working. Each season they could go to a different era to stop someone from altering time, use a ship, tech, and uniforms of that era, but still follow the same crew. It would be an anthology in the sense that the setting would be completely different each season, but we'd still get to know the characters

    Actually that sounds exactly like what Berman wanted to do following Voyager, which is why he introduced the USS Relativity on Voyager and established the future Starfleet as temporal explorers and guardians. Its also why he jammed the "Temporal Cold War" into Enterprise.

    I had never heard that Berman wanted to do a series centered on a timeship! That's really cool! I would love to see a Wells-class ship as the center of a TV series.
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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    azrael605 wrote: »
    An anthology has some pros, but also some pretty big cons. The obvious pros are variety and always something new every season. That said, I think a pretty big con is the fact that we wouldn't really ever get to know the crew if it was changing every season. Considering how much character development has mattered in the Trek franchise, this would be a pretty big departure from the core of what Star Trek is, to date.

    I could see an anthology following the crew of a time ship working. Each season they could go to a different era to stop someone from altering time, use a ship, tech, and uniforms of that era, but still follow the same crew. It would be an anthology in the sense that the setting would be completely different each season, but we'd still get to know the characters

    Actually that sounds exactly like what Berman wanted to do following Voyager, which is why he introduced the USS Relativity on Voyager and established the future Starfleet as temporal explorers and guardians. Its also why he jammed the "Temporal Cold War" into Enterprise.
    azrael605 wrote: »
    An anthology has some pros, but also some pretty big cons. The obvious pros are variety and always something new every season. That said, I think a pretty big con is the fact that we wouldn't really ever get to know the crew if it was changing every season. Considering how much character development has mattered in the Trek franchise, this would be a pretty big departure from the core of what Star Trek is, to date.

    I could see an anthology following the crew of a time ship working. Each season they could go to a different era to stop someone from altering time, use a ship, tech, and uniforms of that era, but still follow the same crew. It would be an anthology in the sense that the setting would be completely different each season, but we'd still get to know the characters

    Actually that sounds exactly like what Berman wanted to do following Voyager, which is why he introduced the USS Relativity on Voyager and established the future Starfleet as temporal explorers and guardians. Its also why he jammed the "Temporal Cold War" into Enterprise.

    I had never heard that Berman wanted to do a series centered on a timeship! That's really cool! I would love to see a Wells-class ship as the center of a TV series.

    Actually, there's nothing on Memory Alpha that backs that up, so I'd be curious if there's other evidence out there...

    Berman loved him some time travel, though, so it wouldn't surprise me.
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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    New tidbit! Episodes will NOT be released all at once, but from week-to-week.

    http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/05/cbs-confirms-star-trek-2017-episodes-to-arrive-weekly/
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    I would imagine that one day TV Exec's will actually get a clue as to how the Internet works.
    I'll watch the show, but not at his beck & call, and not at his pricing.
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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited May 2016
    daveyny wrote: »
    I would imagine that one day TV Exec's will actually get a clue as to how the Internet works.
    I'll watch the show, but not at his beck & call, and not at his pricing.
    <shrug>

    Um, if Game of Thrones has shown the world anything, it's that people will STILL pay to watch "appointment television." Weekly release schedules are far from dead.

    I'm still more worried about an ad-free version of All Access, but that's something different.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    I still have to wait week to week for a bunch of shows on Hulu, and CBS All Access, for that matter. I got a subscription a while ago, for a lot more than just Star Trek. My biggest complaint is the commercials, can't even fast forward through them like I did when I had a DVR and cable service.

    Isn't the whole point of subscriptions that you don't have to watch commercials any more?​​
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