So, we might finally get to see aspects of the Earth-Star Fleet/Romulan War and its immediate aftermath.
Cool!
I can imagine Section-31 naming a ship the DISCOVERY, and saying it's an exploration/science vessel, all the while having ulterior motives for its actual mission.
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Speculation, yes - but at least informed speculation, given that Fuller said the registry number was "a big hint".
Hmm, while we're all focused on the 1st two numbers of the registry, the clue may be actually be in the last two. Interesting.
Regarding where it fits in the timeline, the low registry number doesn't necessarily mean it is pre-TOS. Roddenberry envisioned the original Enterprise as a ship "with a past", hence the Christopher Pike and Robert April years. It was TNG, and all other series after that (Ent-D, Defiant, Voyager, NX-01), which unveiled a brand-spanking new ship.
And if, as many speculate, this is a Fed-Klingon hybrid, maybe they used a saucer section from an older ship, maybe even one that was badly damaged by the Klingons, and melded it a Klingon design? Maybe a little far-fetched, but figured I'd throw a "way out there idea" out.
Eh, I think I've officially lost interest in paying for CBS-All-Access now.
I didn't want to see another pre-TOS show. I wanted to see them continue where DS9 and Voy left off.
Seriously. They had so much material to work with and so many ideas on the table from so many people and they chose another 'prequel' set in the Federation's early history? How original.
And how transparent. They want to avoid comparisons and confusion with NuTrek, so they base the new series in a time that could work for either the Prime or Kelvin timelines.
So they end up either breaking continuity with one or more of the other series because the writers can't keep their stories straight, or they're in this little box where we know how the history turns out already.
Guess STO is the last resort for Prime Trek after all.
So, we might finally get to see aspects of the Earth-Star Fleet/Romulan War and its immediate aftermath.
Cool!
I can imagine Section-31 naming a ship the DISCOVERY, and saying it's an exploration/science vessel, all the while having ulterior motives for its actual mission.
Eh, I think I've officially lost interest in paying for CBS-All-Access now.
I didn't want to see another pre-TOS show. I wanted to see them continue where DS9 and Voy left off.
Seriously. They had so much material to work with and so many ideas on the table from so many people and they chose another 'prequel' set in the Federation's early history? How original.
And how transparent. They want to avoid comparisons and confusion with NuTrek, so they base the new series in a time that could work for either the Prime or Kelvin timelines.
So they end up either breaking continuity with one or more of the other series because the writers can't keep their stories straight, or they're in this little box where we know how the history turns out already.
Guess STO is the last resort for Prime Trek after all.
I too was hoping for a post TNG/DS9/Voyager/Nemesis and still hoping one day it will happen. While still interested in Star Trek Discovery.
In this article about the rumours, Bryan Fuller says that both rumours are not true yet he also says that ‘Oh, they got that part right…’ But it’s sort of on the truth-o-meter on PolitiFacts. It’s sort of like some truth, and a lot of like, ‘No — pants on fire! That’s not true.'" http://www.trektoday.com/content/2016/06/fuller-debunks-some-rumors/, What can this all mean? Hopefully more will be shown on the 10th.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Here is a link on registries in Star Trek and other registries. In the Starship example you can see U.S.S YAMATO has the registry NCC -1305-E and it was built in 2365. Same with the U.S.S ENTERPRISE NCC-1701-D, built in 2363. The starship registries have no link to the year they are built in or what era it is. So why is Bryan Fuller saying U.S.S DISCOVERY NCC-1031 has a hint on the era the new series will be? When it has not be done in the past.
The -E's and -D's come as later incarnations. 1031 comes before 1701 number-wise, and are their first ships before they are destroyed by Klingons. Probably Klingons.
Anyway, I wonder if the series will cover the Romulan War.
The -E's and -D's come as later incarnations. 1031 comes before 1701 number-wise, and are their first ships before they are destroyed by Klingons. Probably Klingons.
Anyway, I wonder if the series will cover the Romulan War.
Yes, thank you for telling me about the Enterprise D and E, which I already know. If I were you I would look or re-look at the link I added in my previous post. Like I typed before, in the past there has been no link to the registry and the year the ship was built or the era.
Here is a link on registries in Star Trek and other registries. In the Starship example you can see U.S.S YAMATO has the registry NCC -1305-E and it was built in 2365. Same with the U.S.S ENTERPRISE NCC-1701-D, built in 2363. The starship registries have no link to the year they are built in or what era it is. So why is Bryan Fuller saying U.S.S DISCOVERY NCC-1031 has a hint on the era the new series will be? When it has not be done in the past.
Lettered registries are exceptions meant to memorialize particular ships. The rest of the Galaxy-class has registries in the 70xxx range. Ditto the Defiants with registries beginning in 74, then 75, and Intrepids with 746xx.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Not sure using the exact registry number narrows it down that far, Constitution-class starships like the Constellation and the Eagle had comparable registry numbers, the Eagle being as low as NCC-956.
Not sure using the exact registry number narrows it down that far, Constitution-class starships like the Constellation and the Eagle had comparable registry numbers, the Eagle being as low as NCC-956.
Correct, in most cases the Class Ship is made first. Then the rest follow suit. Saying the Eagle, and others are older don't match up at all.
In Star Trek, you can't go by numbers to tell when it was built. The ones stating you can, really didn't pay attention to the ships at all. Specially when it comes down to details.
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If the new series is set after Star Trek: Enterprise and before Star Trek: The Original Series, do you think there will be a chance that Enterprise NX-01 and crew will make an appearance? I hope so and still hoping they bring back Star Trek: Enterprise and have another season or two. People around the internet are still posting for it to come back.
Eh, I think I've officially lost interest in paying for CBS-All-Access now.
That's alright. Given the money being made, they've lost all interest in making product for fans who want trot out their encyclopedic knowledge of setting-minutia from previous shows and instead focus on fans who want a new story.
Eh, I think I've officially lost interest in paying for CBS-All-Access now.
That's alright. Given the money being made, they've lost all interest in making product for fans who want trot out their encyclopedic knowledge of setting-minutia from previous shows and instead focus on fans who want a new story.
I know I won't pay for it. They are being greedy. So I will find other methods to watch it. Sorry, but I already pay for internet and cable TV. I refuse to pay again for a show. This alone is already making it for a certain market. So I doubt this series will do well at all.
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And they're also ignoring fans whose interest stops when they have to contribute more than exactly nothing to watch.
It's a glorious age.
Why? There is plenty of shows you don't have to pay extra for. So I will watch those instead. Star Trek was built on for everyone to watch and enjoy. The Production company is the one who turned their backs on the fans. Pay up or you won't watch.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
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They turned their backs on fans that think the other guy is being greedy when they want something that takes a lot of work and money made available to them for free.
It's your choice to not be interested. Feel free to make it. But the fact is Star Trek carries on, and it carries on despite the narrow-minded and sometimes outright hateful behavior of those who imagine themselves to be the 'biggest' and 'true' fans.
Given the non-reticence of many Trek Fans toward previous TV incarnations and the recent movies, it could also be said that no Trek show has ever had more cards stacked against it, as well.<shrug>
The 'card's that are willing to pay in to keep a thing going ALWAYS have more say than the cards who think their strength is withholding money trying to strangle something to death in the belief that they'll change it instead of just kill it.
They turned their backs on fans that think the other guy is being greedy when they want something that takes a lot of work and money made available to them for free.
It's your choice to not be interested. Feel free to make it. But the fact is Star Trek carries on, and it carries on despite the narrow-minded and sometimes outright hateful behavior of those who imagine themselves to be the 'biggest' and 'true' fans.
They get their $ through advertising, products and other methods. This is how TV shows get money for their production. Next it goes to viewer ship. If a lot of people watch they will keep going. Once the ratings go down it gets the ax. They are mainly after the ratings.
Star Trek should be shown to all people, fans of all kinds. Not to a select group. That is what they are doing now.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
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They turned their backs on fans that think the other guy is being greedy when they want something that takes a lot of work and money made available to them for free.
It's your choice to not be interested. Feel free to make it. But the fact is Star Trek carries on, and it carries on despite the narrow-minded and sometimes outright hateful behavior of those who imagine themselves to be the 'biggest' and 'true' fans.
I watched every episode of TOS on re-run. Never cost me anything...
I watched every episode of TNG on first run. Never cost me anything...
I watched every episode of DS-9 on first run. Never cost me anything...
I watched every episode of Voyager on first run. Never paid a penny...
I watched most episode of Enterprise on Sky. Brought Broken Bow before I saw it on Sky...
I watched every TNG movie in the cinema on release, and paid in full each time...
I watched every episode of Babylon 5 on first run. Never cost me anything...
I watched most episodes of Andromeda on first run. Never cost me anything...
I watched most episodes of the X-Files on first run. Never cost me anything...
I watched every episode of Twin Peaks on re-run. Never cost me anything...
I watched almost every episode of Defiance via re-runs and first runs... Never cost me anything...
I watched every episode of Baywatch on first run, and guess what? Never cost me anything...
This new series being shown via subscription service is greed on the part of the network. It's fleecing the fan base because they think (haha ) that people will just pay up because they want to watch the series... Look at the pattern of (pretty much all other) other shows being free to view on first release... Subscription services are one thing, but when it's a blatant cash-grab, are you really surprized that folks are less than interested in paying?
If the new series is set after Star Trek: Enterprise and before Star Trek: The Original Series, do you think there will be a chance that Enterprise NX-01 and crew will make an appearance? I hope so and still hoping they bring back Star Trek: Enterprise and have another season or two. People around the internet are still posting for it to come back.
Depending on the exact time frame, I suspect appearances by the NX-01 crew would be possible...
I watched every episode of TOS on re-run. Never cost me anything...
I watched every episode of TNG on first run. Never cost me anything...
I watched every episode of DS-9 on first run. Never cost me anything...
I watched every episode of Voyager on first run. Never paid a penny...
I watched most episode of Enterprise on Sky. Brought Broken Bow before I saw it on Sky...
I watched every TNG movie in the cinema on release, and paid in full each time...
I watched every episode of Babylon 5 on first run. Never cost me anything...
I watched most episodes of Andromeda on first run. Never cost me anything...
I watched most episodes of the X-Files on first run. Never cost me anything...
I watched every episode of Twin Peaks on re-run. Never cost me anything...
I watched almost every episode of Defiance via re-runs and first runs... Never cost me anything...
I watched every episode of Baywatch on first run, and guess what? Never cost me anything...
Is a coke still 5 cents in your world ? Models move on, and frankly commercial-break driven programing is looking more and more like pure garbage compared to what we're seeing made possible in the other models that have evolved since then. I'm sorry the door fee bothers you, but falling closer to Daredevil or Game of Thones in terms of continuous story arc and complete absence of commercial breaks than to TNG where you could fricking set your watch by the plot twists (42 minutes after the hour? Time for the dramatic set back!) is one of the things I MOST look forward to in the new series.
This new series being shown via subscription service is greed on the part of the network. It's fleecing the fan base because they think (haha ) that people will just pay up because they want to watch the series... Look at the pattern of (pretty much all other) other shows being free to view on first release... Subscription services are one thing, but when it's a blatant cash-grab, are you really surprized that folks are less than interested in paying?
No... I'm just surprised those people think they are relevant any more in this decade. We're enjoying a literal golden age of storytelling and I'm delighted Star Trek's on board. If that means fork over $12, count me in.
No... I'm just surprised those people think they are relevant any more in this decade. We're enjoying a literal golden age of storytelling and I'm delighted Star Trek's on board. If that means fork over $12, count me in.
More like the age of greed. And welcome to the age of Pay Per View.
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USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
I watched every episode of TOS on re-run. Never cost me anything...
I watched every episode of TNG on first run. Never cost me anything...
I watched every episode of DS-9 on first run. Never cost me anything...
I watched every episode of Voyager on first run. Never paid a penny...
I watched most episode of Enterprise on Sky. Brought Broken Bow before I saw it on Sky...
I watched every TNG movie in the cinema on release, and paid in full each time...
I watched every episode of Babylon 5 on first run. Never cost me anything...
I watched most episodes of Andromeda on first run. Never cost me anything...
I watched most episodes of the X-Files on first run. Never cost me anything...
I watched every episode of Twin Peaks on re-run. Never cost me anything...
I watched almost every episode of Defiance via re-runs and first runs... Never cost me anything...
I watched every episode of Baywatch on first run, and guess what? Never cost me anything...
Is a coke still 5 cents in your world ? Models move on, and frankly commercial-break driven programing is looking more and more like pure garbage compared to what we're seeing made possible in the other models that have evolved since then. I'm sorry the door fee bothers you, but falling closer to Daredevil or Game of Thones in terms of continuous story arc and complete absence of commercial breaks than to TNG where you could fricking set your watch by the plot twists (42 minutes after the hour? Time for the dramatic set back!) is one of the things I MOST look forward to in the new series.
This new series being shown via subscription service is greed on the part of the network. It's fleecing the fan base because they think (haha ) that people will just pay up because they want to watch the series... Look at the pattern of (pretty much all other) other shows being free to view on first release... Subscription services are one thing, but when it's a blatant cash-grab, are you really surprized that folks are less than interested in paying?
No... I'm just surprised those people think they are relevant any more in this decade. We're enjoying a literal golden age of storytelling and I'm delighted Star Trek's on board. If that means fork over $12, count me in.
The vast majority of TV series are free to view. That is the most relevent model to focus on... All the time there is free TV, that's where the majority market will be...
As for Golden Age... Bwahahahahahahahahaha I don't consider reboots and remakes the pinacle of story-telling, and when films like Batman Vs Superman get throughly panned, it's clear that 'the new stuff' isn't doing much better... I know, that's just a couple of examples, but seriously, this is far from a Golden Age of story-telling...
And as for people thinking rhey are relevant... All the time series require viewers, then yes, they are still relevant... Any decent actor or musician will tell you that without their fans, the people who watch their shows and films, they would be nothing...
Remember that old saying - if you're not paying for it, you're the product. The drawback to "free" TV is that if a show isn't producing enough eyeballs on the ads (and that means as the show is airing, not later on DVR when you can skip commercials) it's going to get cancelled because it's just not making the revenue necessary.
The edge subscription TV like Netflix or CBS All Access has is that the only "rating" they need is the number of people paying each month. You can buy access, then stream it into a recording device and skip ads that way if you're so inclined, because as long as you've paid your fee there's a revenue stream.
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http://www.trektoday.com/content/2016/08/star-trek-discovery-rumor-mill/
Cool!
I can imagine Section-31 naming a ship the DISCOVERY, and saying it's an exploration/science vessel, all the while having ulterior motives for its actual mission.
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
Regarding where it fits in the timeline, the low registry number doesn't necessarily mean it is pre-TOS. Roddenberry envisioned the original Enterprise as a ship "with a past", hence the Christopher Pike and Robert April years. It was TNG, and all other series after that (Ent-D, Defiant, Voyager, NX-01), which unveiled a brand-spanking new ship.
And if, as many speculate, this is a Fed-Klingon hybrid, maybe they used a saucer section from an older ship, maybe even one that was badly damaged by the Klingons, and melded it a Klingon design? Maybe a little far-fetched, but figured I'd throw a "way out there idea" out.
I didn't want to see another pre-TOS show. I wanted to see them continue where DS9 and Voy left off.
Seriously. They had so much material to work with and so many ideas on the table from so many people and they chose another 'prequel' set in the Federation's early history? How original.
And how transparent. They want to avoid comparisons and confusion with NuTrek, so they base the new series in a time that could work for either the Prime or Kelvin timelines.
So they end up either breaking continuity with one or more of the other series because the writers can't keep their stories straight, or they're in this little box where we know how the history turns out already.
Guess STO is the last resort for Prime Trek after all.
This was posted, http://www.trektoday.com/content/2016/08/star-trek-discovery-cameos/, If that is true then some if not all of the Enterprise crew of the Enterprise NX-01can make appearances in Star Trek Discovery, if it is set in between Enterprise and TOS.
I too was hoping for a post TNG/DS9/Voyager/Nemesis and still hoping one day it will happen. While still interested in Star Trek Discovery.
In this article about the rumours, Bryan Fuller says that both rumours are not true yet he also says that ‘Oh, they got that part right…’ But it’s sort of on the truth-o-meter on PolitiFacts. It’s sort of like some truth, and a lot of like, ‘No — pants on fire! That’s not true.'" http://www.trektoday.com/content/2016/06/fuller-debunks-some-rumors/, What can this all mean? Hopefully more will be shown on the 10th.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
Here is a link on registries in Star Trek and other registries. In the Starship example you can see U.S.S YAMATO has the registry NCC -1305-E and it was built in 2365. Same with the U.S.S ENTERPRISE NCC-1701-D, built in 2363. The starship registries have no link to the year they are built in or what era it is. So why is Bryan Fuller saying U.S.S DISCOVERY NCC-1031 has a hint on the era the new series will be? When it has not be done in the past.
Anyway, I wonder if the series will cover the Romulan War.
Yes, thank you for telling me about the Enterprise D and E, which I already know. If I were you I would look or re-look at the link I added in my previous post. Like I typed before, in the past there has been no link to the registry and the year the ship was built or the era.
Lettered registries are exceptions meant to memorialize particular ships. The rest of the Galaxy-class has registries in the 70xxx range. Ditto the Defiants with registries beginning in 74, then 75, and Intrepids with 746xx.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
Also, apparently some of the "newer" designs of the TMP era, like the Oberth-class staships, had lower registry numbers too: memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Oberth_class#Ships_commissioned
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Correct, in most cases the Class Ship is made first. Then the rest follow suit. Saying the Eagle, and others are older don't match up at all.
In Star Trek, you can't go by numbers to tell when it was built. The ones stating you can, really didn't pay attention to the ships at all. Specially when it comes down to details.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
That's alright. Given the money being made, they've lost all interest in making product for fans who want trot out their encyclopedic knowledge of setting-minutia from previous shows and instead focus on fans who want a new story.
I know I won't pay for it. They are being greedy. So I will find other methods to watch it. Sorry, but I already pay for internet and cable TV. I refuse to pay again for a show. This alone is already making it for a certain market. So I doubt this series will do well at all.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
It's a glorious age.
Why? There is plenty of shows you don't have to pay extra for. So I will watch those instead. Star Trek was built on for everyone to watch and enjoy. The Production company is the one who turned their backs on the fans. Pay up or you won't watch.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
It's your choice to not be interested. Feel free to make it. But the fact is Star Trek carries on, and it carries on despite the narrow-minded and sometimes outright hateful behavior of those who imagine themselves to be the 'biggest' and 'true' fans.
The 'card's that are willing to pay in to keep a thing going ALWAYS have more say than the cards who think their strength is withholding money trying to strangle something to death in the belief that they'll change it instead of just kill it.
They get their $ through advertising, products and other methods. This is how TV shows get money for their production. Next it goes to viewer ship. If a lot of people watch they will keep going. Once the ratings go down it gets the ax. They are mainly after the ratings.
Star Trek should be shown to all people, fans of all kinds. Not to a select group. That is what they are doing now.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
I watched every episode of TNG on first run. Never cost me anything...
I watched every episode of DS-9 on first run. Never cost me anything...
I watched every episode of Voyager on first run. Never paid a penny...
I watched most episode of Enterprise on Sky. Brought Broken Bow before I saw it on Sky...
I watched every TNG movie in the cinema on release, and paid in full each time...
I watched every episode of Babylon 5 on first run. Never cost me anything...
I watched most episodes of Andromeda on first run. Never cost me anything...
I watched most episodes of the X-Files on first run. Never cost me anything...
I watched every episode of Twin Peaks on re-run. Never cost me anything...
I watched almost every episode of Defiance via re-runs and first runs... Never cost me anything...
I watched every episode of Baywatch on first run, and guess what? Never cost me anything...
This new series being shown via subscription service is greed on the part of the network. It's fleecing the fan base because they think (haha
Is a coke still 5 cents in your world
No... I'm just surprised those people think they are relevant any more in this decade. We're enjoying a literal golden age of storytelling and I'm delighted Star Trek's on board. If that means fork over $12, count me in.
More like the age of greed. And welcome to the age of Pay Per View.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
The vast majority of TV series are free to view. That is the most relevent model to focus on... All the time there is free TV, that's where the majority market will be...
As for Golden Age... Bwahahahahahahahahaha
And as for people thinking rhey are relevant... All the time series require viewers, then yes, they are still relevant... Any decent actor or musician will tell you that without their fans, the people who watch their shows and films, they would be nothing...
The edge subscription TV like Netflix or CBS All Access has is that the only "rating" they need is the number of people paying each month. You can buy access, then stream it into a recording device and skip ads that way if you're so inclined, because as long as you've paid your fee there's a revenue stream.