And Discovery does not have to worry about ratings at all since it has already turned a profit.
Actually, it does. I'm quite sure CBS made Netflix pay through the nose for international distribution rights. Now Netflix has to make a profit on that deal from its subscribers.
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— Sabaton, "Great War"
Netflix only worries about how many folks watch what's on the service and how many are paying the monthly fee.
Their "metrics" for number of 'views' are probably more closely watched than Cryptic's.
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Is there ANYTHING greedier than "I want you to give it to me for free"? It has value. You KNOW it has value to you, but if its not free, then "whaaa, you're so greedy!"
Its not even bad comedy at this stage. It's flat TRIBBLE ignorance.
Here's the thing: the value of a person's butt planted in a chair watching commercials on a major network has plummeted. People don't watch commercials anymore and the term 'major network' has become an industry joke. The old network model is withering before our eyes and swarms of unscripted reality show tripe fill the Big 3's time slots because they cost pennies on the dollar to shoot compared to a sci-fi genre piece.
So your options really are pay up, steal it, or do without. And thankfully the 'pay up' folks are numerous enough that these shows happen at all.
As for Golden Age... Bwahahahahahahahahaha I don't consider reboots and remakes the pinacle of story-telling, and when films like Batman Vs Superman get throughly panned, it's clear that 'the new stuff' isn't doing much better... I know, that's just a couple of examples, but seriously, this is far from a Golden Age of story-telling...
I'm sorry your range of tastes is so limited you have no idea what good stuff is being made out there.
@nikeix, do you feel someone is wrong on the internet right now?
I understand you.
The Age of Netflix and Amazon Prime and what not has come. So far I like what I see. (And also like what I don't see, like commercial breaks or reality-show TRIBBLE or game shows.)
Of course, I would argue with such high anticipations everywhere, can the new TV series be anything but fail them?
We'll see.
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If it really is another prequel I'll be worried we get another mess of weird retcons and awkward references. Prequels are not a good way to do new shows, you are always limited by what was established, you need to include references to please the fans and your new stories can't be that big or else they'd have had a place in canon history before. ENT showed that this hot mess doesn't work.
But we'll see. At this point I'm of course thrilled to some degree, but then again the latest show installments of Star Trek were not that... great. Worst case we get another retcon fest with wooden acting, shallow characters and cringeworthy plot that gets scrapped halfway in...
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Is there ANYTHING greedier than "I want you to give it to me for free"? It has value. You KNOW it has value to you, but if its not free, then "whaaa, you're so greedy!"
Its not even bad comedy at this stage. It's flat **** ignorance.
Here's the thing: the value of a person's butt planted in a chair watching commercials on a major network has plummeted. People don't watch commercials anymore and the term 'major network' has become an industry joke. The old network model is withering before our eyes and swarms of unscripted reality show tripe fill the Big 3's time slots because they cost pennies on the dollar to shoot compared to a sci-fi genre piece.
So your options really are pay up, steal it, or do without. And thankfully the 'pay up' folks are numerous enough that these shows happen at all.
No, just want it available to all people to watch like it should be. Instead of cater of the "Pay Only" group. You don't have $ in hand, sorry your not watching. So who really looks greedy?
Bottom line with that horrible ship. Who would watch to pay for something that stupid. I know I sure won't. You know its a start to a bad show. When your forcing people to pay for your TRIBBLE.
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Is there ANYTHING greedier than "I want you to give it to me for free"? It has value. You KNOW it has value to you, but if its not free, then "whaaa, you're so greedy!"
Its not even bad comedy at this stage. It's flat **** ignorance.
Here's the thing: the value of a person's butt planted in a chair watching commercials on a major network has plummeted. People don't watch commercials anymore and the term 'major network' has become an industry joke. The old network model is withering before our eyes and swarms of unscripted reality show tripe fill the Big 3's time slots because they cost pennies on the dollar to shoot compared to a sci-fi genre piece.
So your options really are pay up, steal it, or do without. And thankfully the 'pay up' folks are numerous enough that these shows happen at all.
From what I've seen thus far, I'm quite happy to do without... So to counter your initial point, no, the series has no value to me... I'm not desperate to watch it, so I'm certainly not desperate enough to pay an extra subscription to view it. Especially not when it winding up on YouTube is pretty much an inevitability... If someone else chooses to share what they've paid for with others when others then view it, they are not stealing it... (but nice try to use emotional guilting to win the idea that people have some kind of obligation to pay up for something they never even asked for in the first place, rather than a legitimate argument for the necessity of the subscription itself...)
As for Golden Age... Bwahahahahahahahahaha I don't consider reboots and remakes the pinacle of story-telling, and when films like Batman Vs Superman get throughly panned, it's clear that 'the new stuff' isn't doing much better... I know, that's just a couple of examples, but seriously, this is far from a Golden Age of story-telling...
I'm sorry your range of tastes is so limited you have no idea what good stuff is being made out there.
Nice ad hominum... I'm not sure what I find more insulting: The idea that you're insinuating that I have poor taste, or that you're trying to suggest that [what you consider] 'good stuff' makes up for all the garbage being spewed out... And when the general concensus is that Batman Vs Superman is a failure, then there's either truth to the statement, or a lot of 'wrong people'...
@crashdragon I'm wondering how long it'll take for someone to announce they're suing you over the internet for that statement
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
It was . Because I really am sorry for you that you didn't enjoy Guardians of the Galaxy or Deadpool, that you've evidently missed out on The Expanse (unquestionably the best TV sci fi to come out in years). That you're seemingly oblivious to even the networks managing to permit a 5 year run of Person of Interest that under the skin managed to be the best, most thoughtful discussion of AI that's ever graced a 1-hour serialized drama. That you've never seen either season of Bosche (both brilliant) as an example of Amazon prime funding new shows in house and expecting to be paid for them. That you don't like/missed Daredevil I & II and Jessica Jones as examples of Netflix doing genre products in-house to spectacular effect. And that you're 5+ years out of touch with Game of Thrones laying down new ground rules about short seasons and tight plotting. Because every one of those creations has been reshaping the viewing landscape, and in ways that are hard to contest are good for the viewers.
Most of all I'm sad you let that mud-spattered piece of garbage Batman vs. Superman be your touchstone for what's going on in genre storytelling.
It was . Because I really am sorry for you that you didn't enjoy Guardians of the Galaxy or Deadpool, that you've evidently missed out on The Expanse (unquestionably the best TV sci fi to come out in years). That you're evidently oblivious to even the networks managing to permit a 5 year run of Person of Interest that under the skin managed to be the best, most thoughtful discussion of AI that's ever graced a 1-hour serialized drama. That you've never seen either season of Bosche (both brilliant) as an example of Amazon prime funding new shows in house and expecting to be paid for them. That you don't like/missed Daredevil I & II and Jessica Jones as examples of Netflix doing genra products in-house to spectacular effect. And that you're 5+ years out of touch with Game of Thrones laying down new ground rules about short seasons and tight plotting. Because every one of those creatrions has been reshaping the landscape, and in ways that are hard to contest are good for the viewers.
Most of all I'm sad you let that mud-spattered piece of garbage Batman vs. Superman be your touchstone for what's going on in genre storytelling.
Guardians of the Galaxy was the only one of that list that I've even seen... (I rather enjoyed it, apart from Karen Gillan's wooden acting) Deadpool, I don't even want to watch. Whenever everyone raves about something, it tends to have the effect of making me dislike it (probably a psychological reason for that, which I'm sure a therapist could explain) but beyond that, I actually don't watch much in the way of TV anymore. I've only heard of Bosche, because I know Jeri Ryan was in it, beyond that, never heard of it... Never heard of Jessica Jones... Never watched Daredevil (I don't have a Netflix subscription...) And again, I've never watched Game of Thrones (or Breaking Bad, or Dexter) because I simply never got round to watching them.
Batman Vs Superman is an excellent touchstone for what's going on, because, funnily enough, it is what's going on... Same as Fantastic Four, and Suicide Squad... All of which I called as steaming piles before they were even released... Films I never had the slightest inclination to watch, and which the majority of reviews, are unfavorable... Ghostbusters, is another example of 'rehashitis'... I gladly accept that that's not all which is going on in Hollywoodland at the moment, but it's certainly a fair percentage of it, and enough to consider it an observable trend...
And now it's no longer ad hominem. You've just told us your range of tastes/experience with TV is limited. Thanks for clearing that up.
I would prefer 'discerning and selected', rather than 'limited', but it is still an ad hominem, because you are trying to discredit my capacity to make an opinion, rather than actually challenging the opinion I presented...
Telling us you don't watch much TV is pretty good grounds for questioning the value of your opinion of TV production, wouldn't you think ? But honestly, if you don't know that we're having a golden age, try and find something to watch. Sure, you may stumble into a pile of trash the first time or two, but don't give up. There's good stuff out there for a whole range of discerning tastes, and your life will be better for defining yourself by what you like rather than what you sneer at.
((oh, and BTW part of the reason BvS is being panned so hard is because it's such an aberration compared to the background radiation level of fun/entertaining super-heroes content coming out.))
Totally with you on Fantastic Four by the way. But I think Suicide Squad might be at least watchable. Not great, but worth a matinee ticket (I hope)
As with everything in life, YMMV... Personally, I think it looked like a bunch of try-hard BS from announcement, so I was just never interested. It might be 'watchable', but only by the same definition as which meths is 'drinkable'...
That sneering is going to do terrible things to your face if you keep it up . Suicide Squad may be awful, but I already like their Amanda Waller 1,400 times more than that scrawny atrocity wearing her name in Green Lantern. This should be the non-powered woman that walks into a room of super-villians and lays down the law. And who is know to occasionally verbally pimp-slap Batman right down off his high horse. I want to see her RADIATE hardcore and I think we're going to get that. And if we do get that I can forgive a lot of other sins .
In other, less sci-fi but still recent movie going fun, to my wild shock and surprise Tarzan was excellent and the Secret Life of Pets damn near had me rolling on the floor (which would have been disgusting- because, theater floors: ewww).
"Independence Day:Bloated Cast" was ok to watch for the pretty fx and one of the new characters had some great sequences establishing their integrity (I am a sucker for characters with integrity) but was mostly long and flat. I'm gonna draw a line in the sand and say X-men: Apocalypse was actually worse then BvS, which continues to make it a modern day miracle that the managerial incompetents at Fox (proud makers of Fantastic Four) actually green-lit Deadpool AND managed to stay the hell out of the way as that team of dashing rogues Nailed It. Full disclosure: I don't like the Deadpool character. I still loved the movie.
Oh, and you may have heard of a little flic called Star Trek: Beyond. Don't deny yourself the pleasure even if other people are saying it's great.
Telling us you don't watch much TV is pretty good grounds for questioning the value of your opinion of TV production, wouldn't you think? But honestly, if you don't know that we're having a golden age, try and find something to watch. Sure, you may stumble into a pile of trash the first time or two, but don't give up. There's good stuff out there for a whole range of discerning tastes, and your life will be better for defining yourself by what you like rather than what you sneer at.
((oh, and BTW part of the reason BvS is being panned so hard is because it's such an aberration compared to the background radiation level of fun/entertaining super-heroes content coming out.))
IMHO no. I have qualifications in film and TV production, so regardless of how much I may or may not watch, my understanding of the codes and conventions is a solid foundation. I know good productions when I see them, I know poor productions when I see them. This is not, by the way, something I have to justify... That you are still questioning my right to hold an opinion, rather than challenging the opinion I've espoused, is unwarranted and unreasonable behaviour, but then I don't expect anything less from online exchanges, so I'm not taking it personally... And absolutely, I do define myself by what I like. You're the one insisting I justify my reasons for disliking something... As I said, I think CBS are shooting themselves in the foot by making this a subscription-only series. Yes, they will get some viewers, but they will also alienate a significant amount of the fanbase... The above comment that they aren't interested in ratings, but don't release the figures, strikes me as nothing more than saber-rattling... If they really weren't concerned about vieweing figures, they would release said figures to confirm that they indeed have nothing to worry about... Their 'we're not worried but won't release anything' is just PR spin... As I said before, any decent actor will acknowledge that it is the interest and the goodwill of their fans, which a) matters to them, and b) makes them marketable for future work...
I thought BvS was being panned for poor story and plotting, poor pacing and a host of other complaints I can't be bothered to list, but which generally add up to it not being a very well-made film, nothing at all to do with how it compares to others
That sneering is going to do terrible things to your face if you keep it up . Suicide Squad may be awful, but I already like their Amanda Waller 1,400 times more than that scrawny atrocity wearing her name in Green Lantern. This should be the non-powered woman that walks into a room of super-villians and lays down the law. And who is know to occasionally verbally pimp-slap Batman right down off his high horse. I want to see her RADIATE hardcore and I think we're going to get that. And if we do get that I can forgive a lot of other sins .
As someone who doesn't read comics or follow the franchise, I acknowledge that I'm not the target demographic for such a movie. But, I also expect a film to be accessible to an utterly fresh newcomer... Part of my issue with the JJTrek films, was that they relied on comics and deleted scenes to make the rest of the plot make sense...
In other, less sci-fi but still recent movie going fun, to my wild shock and surprise Tarzan was excellent and the Secret Life of Pets damn near had me rolling on the floor (which would have been disgusting- because, theater floors: ewww).
It has Alexander Skarsgard in the title role, of course it's going to be excellent... I haven't seen it, and it's not on my list of movies to watch, but I have no doubt that it would be a good film...
Oh, and you may have heard of a little flic called Star Trek: Beyond. Don't deny yourself the pleasure even if other people are saying it's great.
That's the one with Luke Skywalker, isn't it? ( ) Yeah, I'm planning on watching it, but I'll be waiting for home release, because I don't like going to cinemas...
As for Golden Age... Bwahahahahahahahahaha I don't consider reboots and remakes the pinacle of story-telling, and when films like Batman Vs Superman get throughly panned, it's clear that 'the new stuff' isn't doing much better... I know, that's just a couple of examples, but seriously, this is far from a Golden Age of story-telling...
I'm sorry your range of tastes is so limited you have no idea what good stuff is being made out there.
Nice ad hominum... I'm not sure what I find more insulting: The idea that you're insinuating that I have poor taste, or that you're trying to suggest that [what you consider] 'good stuff' makes up for all the garbage being spewed out... And when the general concensus is that Batman Vs Superman is a failure, then there's either truth to the statement, or a lot of 'wrong people'...
And that wasn't true before? You ever hear the term "Sturgeon's Law"?
The first reference to Sturgeon's Revelation appears in the March 1958 issue of Venture Science Fiction, where science fiction author Theodore Sturgeon wrote:
"I repeat Sturgeon's Revelation, which was wrung out of me after twenty years of wearying defense of science fiction against attacks of people who used the worst examples of the field for ammunition, and whose conclusion was that ninety percent of SF is crud."
There is also a (possibly apocryphal) story that tells of Sturgeon making the above comment during a panel discussion at a science fiction convention. When the audience protested, Sturgeon reportedly blinked and replied, "90% of everything is crud."
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
I did say 'part' . Honestly its a bit strange in that so many of the poorly received elements of the film can be laid at the feet of so few *cough*Snyder*cough*. If you care to hear a reaction more nuanced than "it sucked"...
...I'd say over all it was really just at the low end of mediocre, but again, against the surrounding landscape (of the afore mentioned Golden Age ) that's just terrible. And for a tentpole you plan to hang an entire brand off of its inexcusable - which would be why about 7 weeks later after the public eye moved on, HEADS ROLLED.
Honestly, every actor in BvS tried really, really hard to salvage an absolutely DREADFUL script. There are some genuinely great performances in there, but they all drown in an bleak, plodding, droning narrative and grossly desaturated visual palette. And much like Fantasic Four was dead before it started because there is no universe where Doctor Doom is a whiney blogger, what they trotted out and called 'Lex Luthor' was EPIC FAILSAUCE. I tried to explain the movie to my mother (who is a huge geek but not a comic geek) and even she said "What? No... Lex Luthor is a Man: a mature adult in the fullness of his power. Not a fidgety boy..." Which really sums up the problem better than I could and I saw the movie . Which is really unfortunate for the actor, who gave a great effort in support of a role that dragged the movie down big time.
And oh... the fight choreography is TERRIBLE. They made Batman into a plodding thug. I was literally BORED watching Batman fight. You could go make coffee in the time between his throwing punches. All of this after his initial fight scene where he plainly kills at least half a dozen people... So bad. So bad.
As for Golden Age... Bwahahahahahahahahaha I don't consider reboots and remakes the pinacle of story-telling, and when films like Batman Vs Superman get throughly panned, it's clear that 'the new stuff' isn't doing much better... I know, that's just a couple of examples, but seriously, this is far from a Golden Age of story-telling...
I'm sorry your range of tastes is so limited you have no idea what good stuff is being made out there.
Nice ad hominum... I'm not sure what I find more insulting: The idea that you're insinuating that I have poor taste, or that you're trying to suggest that [what you consider] 'good stuff' makes up for all the garbage being spewed out... And when the general concensus is that Batman Vs Superman is a failure, then there's either truth to the statement, or a lot of 'wrong people'...
And that wasn't true before? You ever hear the term "Sturgeon's Law"?
The first reference to Sturgeon's Revelation appears in the March 1958 issue of Venture Science Fiction, where science fiction author Theodore Sturgeon wrote:
"I repeat Sturgeon's Revelation, which was wrung out of me after twenty years of wearying defense of science fiction against attacks of people who used the worst examples of the field for ammunition, and whose conclusion was that ninety percent of SF is crud."
There is also a (possibly apocryphal) story that tells of Sturgeon making the above comment during a panel discussion at a science fiction convention. When the audience protested, Sturgeon reportedly blinked and replied, "90% of everything is crud."
I hadn't heard it... And just because it 'has a name', doesn't make it any more or less valid... It's a bit like someone calling Godwin's Law just because someone mentions Hitler in a discussion: The mention of Hitler does not automatically disqualify a comment or point being made, rather, Godwin's Law is just an easy and lazy escape to pull for someone incapable of arguing the point, yet trying to still retain the semblence of face, when in fact, the opposite should be true... The point I'm making, is that much of what is being made at the moment is some variation of a reboot/reimagining, and that the level of technical competence going into said work, is mediocre at best... That's not to say that there isn't good stuff being made, there is, but to quote from L4yer Cake "Don't TRIBBLE in my pocket and try and tell me it's raining..."
Same goes for the Netflix etc subscription malarky... Some folks already have it, some folks don't, and that's fine... But to use a franchise like Star Trek as a means of potentially luring in new subscribers, frankly, I think is grossly misunderstanding the discernment of the franchise's fanbase, and dangerously naive given the existence of streaming sites...
I did say 'part' . Honestly its a bit strange in that so many of the poorly received elements of the film can be laid at the feet of so few *cough*Snyder*cough*. If you care to hear a reaction more nuanced than "it sucked"...
...I'd say over all it was really just at the low end of mediocre, but again, against the surrounding landscape (of the afore mentioned Golden Age ) that's just terrible. And for a tentpole you plan to hang an entire brand off of its inexcusable - which would be why about 7 weeks later after the public eye moved on, HEADS ROLLED.
Honestly, every actor in BvS tried really, really hard to salvage an absolutely DREADFUL script. There are some genuinely great performances in there, but they all drown in an bleak, plodding, droning narrative and grossly desaturated visual palette. And much like Fantasic Four was dead before it started because there is no universe where Doctor Doom is a whiney blogger, what they trotted out and called 'Lex Luthor' was EPIC FAILSAUCE. I tried to explain the movie to my mother (who is a huge geek but not a comic geek) and even she said "What? No... Lex Luthor is a Man: a mature adult in the fullness of his power. Not a fidgety boy..." Which really sums up the problem better than I could and I saw the movie . Which is really unfortunate for the actor, who gave a great effort in support of a role that dragged the movie down big time.
And oh... the fight choreography is TERRIBLE. They made Batman into a plodding thug. I was literally BORED watching Batman fight. You could go make coffee in the time between his throwing punches. All of this after his initial fight scene where he plainly kills at least half a dozen people... So bad. So bad.
I agree wholeheartedly (well, I haven't endured the film, so I'm just agreeing that what you're saying, aligns with the majority of opinions I've heard leveled at the film ) Point is, I predicted it going to be dogshit as soon as it was announced, and time would seem to have proven me right, without me even having to watch it to confirm my initial reservations...
Didn't they kill off the scrawny Waller in the ARROW TV show?
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You guys do realize Batman has been killong since his very first issue right? He also used to carry and use the gun that killed his parents. The complaints some people muster without bothering to know the character's history, SMH.
Yup... Doesn't make the plotting issues with BvS (or the other laundry list of complaints from reviewers) any less valid though
Marcus, when you veritably boast of not being familiar with a genre, then yes, I do believe that renders your opinion of that genre suspect at best. Particularly when you have preceded it by conceding that you have little exposure to the current state of that genre - it then becomes a bit like those who defend Batman killing in these movies by pointing out that "he killed people in the early days", said days being 1939.
I am familiar with the genre. And we are indeed living through a "Golden Age" of filmic SF and superheroic fantasy, in both movies and television (anyone remember the 1970s "Captain America" TV-movies, with the motorcycle helmet? Or willing to admit having seen Roger Corman's Fantastic Four, which I think is still available on YouTube?).
Oh, and Deadpool is sick, filthy, and hilarious. You're shortchanging yourself by not watching it. (It is, of course, enhanced by knowledge of the character, who is depicted in-story as completely insane - to the point that he believes he's in a comic book, and will knowingly break the fourth wall to the puzzlement of anyone he's with at the time.)
The extended version of BvS does noticeably improve the overall story.
BUT..., While it does give more insight into this particular Lexs' motives, it was still a really crappy version of the character that they went with from the outset.
IF, they had been a lot more implicit about this being the original Lex's younger relative, I would probably be a bit more forgiving of the character. (that is not to slight the actor, he did what he could with what he was given)
I also like the way this new version gives a lot more insight into Lois and Clarks relationship.
There's plenty of 'BAD' still in the movie (the overall dark tone is what I disliked the most), but the extended version did greatly improve my disdain from what I saw in the theater.
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Actually, it does. I'm quite sure CBS made Netflix pay through the nose for international distribution rights. Now Netflix has to make a profit on that deal from its subscribers.
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Their "metrics" for number of 'views' are probably more closely watched than Cryptic's.
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Its not even bad comedy at this stage. It's flat TRIBBLE ignorance.
Here's the thing: the value of a person's butt planted in a chair watching commercials on a major network has plummeted. People don't watch commercials anymore and the term 'major network' has become an industry joke. The old network model is withering before our eyes and swarms of unscripted reality show tripe fill the Big 3's time slots because they cost pennies on the dollar to shoot compared to a sci-fi genre piece.
So your options really are pay up, steal it, or do without. And thankfully the 'pay up' folks are numerous enough that these shows happen at all.
I'm sorry your range of tastes is so limited you have no idea what good stuff is being made out there.
I understand you.
The Age of Netflix and Amazon Prime and what not has come. So far I like what I see. (And also like what I don't see, like commercial breaks or reality-show TRIBBLE or game shows.)
Of course, I would argue with such high anticipations everywhere, can the new TV series be anything but fail them?
We'll see.
But we'll see. At this point I'm of course thrilled to some degree, but then again the latest show installments of Star Trek were not that... great. Worst case we get another retcon fest with wooden acting, shallow characters and cringeworthy plot that gets scrapped halfway in...
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No, just want it available to all people to watch like it should be. Instead of cater of the "Pay Only" group. You don't have $ in hand, sorry your not watching. So who really looks greedy?
Bottom line with that horrible ship. Who would watch to pay for something that stupid. I know I sure won't. You know its a start to a bad show. When your forcing people to pay for your TRIBBLE.
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Nice ad hominum... I'm not sure what I find more insulting: The idea that you're insinuating that I have poor taste, or that you're trying to suggest that [what you consider] 'good stuff' makes up for all the garbage being spewed out... And when the general concensus is that Batman Vs Superman is a failure, then there's either truth to the statement, or a lot of 'wrong people'...
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Most of all I'm sad you let that mud-spattered piece of garbage Batman vs. Superman be your touchstone for what's going on in genre storytelling.
Batman Vs Superman is an excellent touchstone for what's going on, because, funnily enough, it is what's going on... Same as Fantastic Four, and Suicide Squad... All of which I called as steaming piles before they were even released... Films I never had the slightest inclination to watch, and which the majority of reviews, are unfavorable... Ghostbusters, is another example of 'rehashitis'... I gladly accept that that's not all which is going on in Hollywoodland at the moment, but it's certainly a fair percentage of it, and enough to consider it an observable trend...
Totally with you on Fantastic Four by the way. But I think Suicide Squad might be at least watchable. Not great, but worth a matinee ticket (I hope)
((oh, and BTW part of the reason BvS is being panned so hard is because it's such an aberration compared to the background radiation level of fun/entertaining super-heroes content coming out.))
In other, less sci-fi but still recent movie going fun, to my wild shock and surprise Tarzan was excellent and the Secret Life of Pets damn near had me rolling on the floor (which would have been disgusting- because, theater floors: ewww).
"Independence Day:Bloated Cast" was ok to watch for the pretty fx and one of the new characters had some great sequences establishing their integrity (I am a sucker for characters with integrity) but was mostly long and flat. I'm gonna draw a line in the sand and say X-men: Apocalypse was actually worse then BvS, which continues to make it a modern day miracle that the managerial incompetents at Fox (proud makers of Fantastic Four) actually green-lit Deadpool AND managed to stay the hell out of the way as that team of dashing rogues Nailed It. Full disclosure: I don't like the Deadpool character. I still loved the movie.
Oh, and you may have heard of a little flic called Star Trek: Beyond. Don't deny yourself the pleasure even if other people are saying it's great.
I thought BvS was being panned for poor story and plotting, poor pacing and a host of other complaints I can't be bothered to list, but which generally add up to it not being a very well-made film, nothing at all to do with how it compares to others
It has Alexander Skarsgard in the title role, of course it's going to be excellent... I haven't seen it, and it's not on my list of movies to watch, but I have no doubt that it would be a good film...
That's the one with Luke Skywalker, isn't it? (
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Honestly, every actor in BvS tried really, really hard to salvage an absolutely DREADFUL script. There are some genuinely great performances in there, but they all drown in an bleak, plodding, droning narrative and grossly desaturated visual palette. And much like Fantasic Four was dead before it started because there is no universe where Doctor Doom is a whiney blogger, what they trotted out and called 'Lex Luthor' was EPIC FAILSAUCE. I tried to explain the movie to my mother (who is a huge geek but not a comic geek) and even she said "What? No... Lex Luthor is a Man: a mature adult in the fullness of his power. Not a fidgety boy..." Which really sums up the problem better than I could and I saw the movie
And oh... the fight choreography is TERRIBLE. They made Batman into a plodding thug. I was literally BORED watching Batman fight. You could go make coffee in the time between his throwing punches. All of this after his initial fight scene where he plainly kills at least half a dozen people... So bad. So bad.
Same goes for the Netflix etc subscription malarky... Some folks already have it, some folks don't, and that's fine... But to use a franchise like Star Trek as a means of potentially luring in new subscribers, frankly, I think is grossly misunderstanding the discernment of the franchise's fanbase, and dangerously naive given the existence of streaming sites...
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I am familiar with the genre. And we are indeed living through a "Golden Age" of filmic SF and superheroic fantasy, in both movies and television (anyone remember the 1970s "Captain America" TV-movies, with the motorcycle helmet? Or willing to admit having seen Roger Corman's Fantastic Four, which I think is still available on YouTube?).
Oh, and Deadpool is sick, filthy, and hilarious. You're shortchanging yourself by not watching it. (It is, of course, enhanced by knowledge of the character, who is depicted in-story as completely insane - to the point that he believes he's in a comic book, and will knowingly break the fourth wall to the puzzlement of anyone he's with at the time.)
BUT..., While it does give more insight into this particular Lexs' motives, it was still a really crappy version of the character that they went with from the outset.
IF, they had been a lot more implicit about this being the original Lex's younger relative, I would probably be a bit more forgiving of the character. (that is not to slight the actor, he did what he could with what he was given)
I also like the way this new version gives a lot more insight into Lois and Clarks relationship.
There's plenty of 'BAD' still in the movie (the overall dark tone is what I disliked the most), but the extended version did greatly improve my disdain from what I saw in the theater.
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