The most-anticipated panel of the convention was on Star Trek: Discovery with series consulting producer and writer Nicholas Meyer along with writer Kirsten Beyer. Beyer revealed that DSC would be a cross-media production involving television, novels, and comics.
As in there will also be novels etc available ala TNG, or that one needs the TV episodes, comics and novels to get the complete story? I have a sinking feeling it's going to be the latter option, and if so, that's well and truly killed any interest I had in the show... I enjoyed the TNG novels, but I resent the idea of having to buy supplemental media just to understand a television program...
Cross media doesn't necessarily imply canon. 09 had its comic and game tie in that weren't canon. Though arguably a bad example as 'Nero' improved the film by filling in a chunk of the bad guys backstory.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Cross media doesn't necessarily imply canon. 09 had its comic and game tie in that weren't canon. Though arguably a bad example as 'Nero' improved the film by filling in a chunk of the bad guys backstory.
Well, this is the thing... As you say, it doesn't necessarily imply canon (none of the previous novels have been) but the Nero situation is a perfect example. As you say, those off-scene details about Nero definitely made things make sense, the problem (as with the Khan Awakening prior to Into Darkness) without those comics, the films themselves actually seemed to have plot holes which didn't make sense... I guess all I'm saying is that the movies needed the comics to fully make sense. A film (or TV show) should be able to stand on its own for audience comprehension. It shouldn't need additional material to be understandable... Hence my concern of if TRIBBLE is going down the 'JJRoute' of supplemental material, rather than TNG's... They're already making people pay to watch the series, making them then pay for additional material to fully appreciate a story, IMHO is a step too far... From a marketing perspective, yeah, great way to bring in more money. Not so nice to be on the receiving end of it though...
Reminds me of part of the gimmick in a TV show that lasted a couple years on SyFy - can't recall the title for the life of me, but it took place in what was left of St. Louis, MO, after aliens (and some sort of apocalypse) came to Earth. There was a tie-in MMO, set in San Francisco, and the events of one would affect the course of the other. Not sure how much of a "success" all that was, because I found most of the characters frankly boring and tuned out after three or four episodes, but there it is.
Actually, I'm pretty sure that if the books are being written by the same people who write the episodes that it WILL end up being canon.
honestly it doesn't sound bad. there's only so much you can put on TV.
I don't have beef with the books being canon, especially if they're being written by the episode writers. Infact, that would be pretty cool. But. I do have beef with the idea that someone has to read additional material to get the full story and to actually make the episode/movie make sense...
Reminds me of part of the gimmick in a TV show that lasted a couple years on SyFy - can't recall the title for the life of me, but it took place in what was left of St. Louis, MO, after aliens (and some sort of apocalypse) came to Earth. There was a tie-in MMO, set in San Francisco, and the events of one would affect the course of the other. Not sure how much of a "success" all that was, because I found most of the characters frankly boring and tuned out after three or four episodes, but there it is.
I believe the show was called Defiance. The show was cancelled, but I think the game is still around.
Reminds me of part of the gimmick in a TV show that lasted a couple years on SyFy - can't recall the title for the life of me, but it took place in what was left of St. Louis, MO, after aliens (and some sort of apocalypse) came to Earth. There was a tie-in MMO, set in San Francisco, and the events of one would affect the course of the other. Not sure how much of a "success" all that was, because I found most of the characters frankly boring and tuned out after three or four episodes, but there it is.
Defiance.
I thought it was a fantastic series, and IMHO dealt with issues Trek would never have dared tackle, let alone show. That said, we have pretty much contrasting views on most things, so I'm not surprized you didn't like it... It ran to three seasons, but I'm not sure if it was intentionally cancelled, or if the producers decided to go out strong (and IMHO it was strong)
Actually, I'm pretty sure that if the books are being written by the same people who write the episodes that it WILL end up being canon.
honestly it doesn't sound bad. there's only so much you can put on TV.
I don't have beef with the books being canon, especially if they're being written by the episode writers. Infact, that would be pretty cool. But. I do have beef with the idea that someone has to read additional material to get the full story and to actually make the episode/movie make sense...
Sop you think that what is on TV is only going to be pieces of episodes? why? There is no evidence of that.
Actually, I'm pretty sure that if the books are being written by the same people who write the episodes that it WILL end up being canon.
honestly it doesn't sound bad. there's only so much you can put on TV.
I don't have beef with the books being canon, especially if they're being written by the episode writers. Infact, that would be pretty cool. But. I do have beef with the idea that someone has to read additional material to get the full story and to actually make the episode/movie make sense...
Sop you think that what is on TV is only going to be pieces of episodes? why? There is no evidence of that.
No, I'm concerned that it may be an 09/Into Darkness scenario where additional material was actually needed to explain plot points... I'm concerned, because the Powers That Be may well think 'well it worked for those films, it can work for us to bring in more $$s...' and if that turned out to be the case, it would show that TPTB care more about the $$s, than in putting out a quality series worthy of the franchise name...
Actually, I'm pretty sure that if the books are being written by the same people who write the episodes that it WILL end up being canon.
honestly it doesn't sound bad. there's only so much you can put on TV.
I don't have beef with the books being canon, especially if they're being written by the episode writers. Infact, that would be pretty cool. But. I do have beef with the idea that someone has to read additional material to get the full story and to actually make the episode/movie make sense...
Sop you think that what is on TV is only going to be pieces of episodes? why? There is no evidence of that.
No, I'm concerned that it may be an 09/Into Darkness scenario where additional material was actually needed to explain plot points... I'm concerned, because the Powers That Be may well think 'well it worked for those films, it can work for us to bring in more $$s...' and if that turned out to be the case, it would show that TPTB care more about the $$s, than in putting out a quality series worthy of the franchise name...
THAT Boat, sailed for the last time when They cancelled ENTERPRISE.
It was pretty obvious from that point on that any new Trek was going to have to be a lot more profitable for CBS/Paramount to even consider making any more.
I'm very curious to see just how the next movie develops, since "Beyond" doesn't seem to have been the blockbuster Paramount was hoping for.
<shrug>
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Actually, I'm pretty sure that if the books are being written by the same people who write the episodes that it WILL end up being canon.
honestly it doesn't sound bad. there's only so much you can put on TV.
I don't have beef with the books being canon, especially if they're being written by the episode writers. Infact, that would be pretty cool. But. I do have beef with the idea that someone has to read additional material to get the full story and to actually make the episode/movie make sense...
Sop you think that what is on TV is only going to be pieces of episodes? why? There is no evidence of that.
No, I'm concerned that it may be an 09/Into Darkness scenario where additional material was actually needed to explain plot points... I'm concerned, because the Powers That Be may well think 'well it worked for those films, it can work for us to bring in more $$s...' and if that turned out to be the case, it would show that TPTB care more about the $$s, than in putting out a quality series worthy of the franchise name...
THAT Boat, sailed for the last time when They cancelled ENTERPRISE.
It was pretty obvious from that point on that any new Trek was going to have to be a lot more profitable for CBS/Paramount to even consider making any more.
I'm very curious to see just how the next movie develops, since "Beyond" doesn't seem to have been the blockbuster Paramount was hoping for.
<shrug>
Well, this is the thing, and it keeps bringing me back to my oft-thought 'Why do we need more Trek?' IMHO, we don't. There're five series and thirteen movies to enjoy(or not) Plenty of books to read, and an MMO allowing everyone a chance to, to paraphrase Jango Fett, 'make their way in the universe'. I honestly don't believe that the franchise needs more. What there already is, is enough for people to enjoy, and on that alone, I doubt the franchise will ever die, in terms of having appreciators. If the franchise goes inactive, as Ned Kelly said, 'such is life...'
The ships name is a homage to the one in Kubrick's "2001" movie.
There will be new Aliens and Races, Planets & Ships introduced.
Another Director was named, Vincenzo Natali.
Nick Meyer said (paraphrasing) the show is not going to be perfect, but if one doesn't go in with outlandish expectations, it should be enjoyable.
He also said (again paraphrasing) that the look of the show will not be exactly like The Original Series (1960's look), but they will update it to 2016 esthetics and they will do "the best they can" to emulate what came before.
Again according to Meyer, Star Trek VI: the Undiscovered Country will have a BIG Influence conceptually on the show, because Bryan Fuller feels it is one of the best examples of Trek.
Addendum:
Majel Barrett/Roddenberry might just end up being the computer's voice for the show...
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He also said (again paraphrasing) that the look of the show will not be exactly like The Original Series (1960's look), but they will update it to 2016 esthetics and they will do "the best they can" to emulate what came before.
Again according to Meyer, Star Trek VI: the Undiscovered Country will have a BIG Influence conceptually on the show, because Bryan Fuller feels it is one of the best examples of Trek.
YES! TUC is probably my favourite film (damn you BEY) and it really is like a little bit of DS9 in TOS.
Majel Barrett/Roddenberry might just end up being the computer's voice for the show...
I don't see why she wouldn't be. We have 50 years of her voice saying almost anything necessary to feel fully part of the show.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Actually, I'm pretty sure that if the books are being written by the same people who write the episodes that it WILL end up being canon.
honestly it doesn't sound bad. there's only so much you can put on TV.
They said that about Taylor's VOY novels and the various KT tie-inns (like the game), they still aren't canon.
Maybe DSC will come about as CBS change their canon policy, but they haven't yet.
Jeri Taylor had been told that anything she wrote about Mad Kathy's youth would be considered as official source material (aka Mad Kathy Writer's Guide) which episodes would have to conform to. Someone changed their mind, gave Ms Taylor the finger, and did their own thing, regardless of if it tallied with her novel or not, and IMHO was a very TRIBBLE way of treating someone who puts in the work in good faith...
The KT tie-ins: I'm not going to get into an argument over 'non-canon', because yes, the only thing which is really canon, is the released film/episode.
But. The JJ films do have plot-holes which the tie-in comics not only fill, but were intended to fill all along. They might not be 'canon', but they Are Licenced, so considered as 'accurate until contradicted by a canon source'. The difference between the KT comics and Jeri Taylor's novels, is that the Powers That Be (Berman and Braga?) decided to deliberately ignore Jeri Taylor's writing (for whatever reasons they had for their beef with her) and deliberately film episodic material which contradicted the novels as a way of giving the finger to her work, and deliberately making it inaccurate, rather than having the professional courtessy to use it as the Writer's Guide it was intended to be
Seems the Romulans may be a major part of this new series.
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Seems the Romulans may be a major part of this new series.
Or they discover that the Romulans have found a way to hear sounds in space, so they have to be really quiet (one of the things that bugged me about "Balance of Terror" - ooh, we can't make noise or they'll hear us! Come on, guys, your ship is in vacuum - you could hold a dance party on the bridge and the Roms wouldn't know!).
Seems the Romulans may be a major part of this new series.
Or they discover that the Romulans have found a way to hear sounds in space, so they have to be really quiet (one of the things that bugged me about "Balance of Terror" - ooh, we can't make noise or they'll hear us! Come on, guys, your ship is in vacuum - you could hold a dance party on the bridge and the Roms wouldn't know!).
Perhaps the writer was thinking submarines when he wrote...
Seems the Romulans may be a major part of this new series.
Or they discover that the Romulans have found a way to hear sounds in space, so they have to be really quiet (one of the things that bugged me about "Balance of Terror" - ooh, we can't make noise or they'll hear us! Come on, guys, your ship is in vacuum - you could hold a dance party on the bridge and the Roms wouldn't know!).
Perhaps, just maybe, it was more in the line of being extra careful not to touch anything that might send out a perceivable signal...
(like Spock ended up doing)
Most folks when being cautious, do tend to tone down their voice and act a bit subdued.
The episode just over emphasized that (like most shows do) to get the point across to the audience.
And it was written to emulate the idea of submarine warfare from WW II.
Also, I really can't see the appeal in ripping apart a TV episode written 50 years ago, just to make a inconsequential point.
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More seriously, though, I think he might be talking more about the feel of that episode - that there are things out there that are completely mysterious, and that we can't beat just by technobabbling the main framistat relay through the deflector dish.
It's the cat-and-mouse that a lot of people remember, but there was also the new Romulan superweapon, that propagated so fast they had to back away at warp speed to avoid it. And the truly faceless enemy, because no one from Earth or any of her allies in that war had ever seen a Romulan and lived long enough to tell about it.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
except for johnathan archer and crew, who got a VERY clear look at a romulan
But did they know it was a Romulan?
More seriously, that could be a timeline divergence caused by the Temporal Cold War. It's very possible that one of several of the temporal fluctuations that occurred later changed it. I don't even know how many timelines are actually represented in Star Trek...
except for johnathan archer and crew, who got a VERY clear look at a romulan
But did they know it was a Romulan?
More seriously, that could be a timeline divergence caused by the Temporal Cold War. It's very possible that one of several of the temporal fluctuations that occurred later changed it. I don't even know how many timelines are actually represented in Star Trek...
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
except for johnathan archer and crew, who got a VERY clear look at a romulan
But did they know it was a Romulan?
More seriously, that could be a timeline divergence caused by the Temporal Cold War. It's very possible that one of several of the temporal fluctuations that occurred later changed it. I don't even know how many timelines are actually represented in Star Trek...
Do they also account for the Bonaventure being the first ship with warp drive? The Romulans lacking warp, warp 14 (or the warp 100 or so that would be needed for ST:V)or The crew of the NX-01 suddenly shelving all their shiny spatial torpedoes and the nice new photon ones the Andorians gave them in favour of primitive nukes? Augments in the 90s?
It's TOS, just ignore all but the story itself and the character interactions within. It's clear that's what every other writer did.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
except for johnathan archer and crew, who got a VERY clear look at a romulan
But did they know it was a Romulan?
More seriously, that could be a timeline divergence caused by the Temporal Cold War. It's very possible that one of several of the temporal fluctuations that occurred later changed it. I don't even know how many timelines are actually represented in Star Trek...
Do they also account for the Bonaventure being the first ship with warp drive? The Romulans lacking warp, warp 14 (or the warp 100 or so that would be needed for ST:V)or The crew of the NX-01 suddenly shelving all their shiny spatial torpedoes and the nice new photon ones the Andorians gave them in favour of primitive nukes? Augments in the 90s?
It's TOS, just ignore all but the story itself and the character interactions within. It's clear that's what every other writer did.
Exactly... They were totally making it up as they went episode-to-episode, so Anything TOS should only be considered 'fact' if later series references it in some way...
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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honestly it doesn't sound bad. there's only so much you can put on TV.
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I believe the show was called Defiance. The show was cancelled, but I think the game is still around.
I thought it was a fantastic series, and IMHO dealt with issues Trek would never have dared tackle, let alone show. That said, we have pretty much contrasting views on most things, so I'm not surprized you didn't like it... It ran to three seasons, but I'm not sure if it was intentionally cancelled, or if the producers decided to go out strong (and IMHO it was strong)
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THAT Boat, sailed for the last time when They cancelled ENTERPRISE.
It was pretty obvious from that point on that any new Trek was going to have to be a lot more profitable for CBS/Paramount to even consider making any more.
I'm very curious to see just how the next movie develops, since "Beyond" doesn't seem to have been the blockbuster Paramount was hoping for.
<shrug>
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http://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/10-new-star-trek-discovery-revelations/
The ships name is a homage to the one in Kubrick's "2001" movie.
There will be new Aliens and Races, Planets & Ships introduced.
Another Director was named, Vincenzo Natali.
Nick Meyer said (paraphrasing) the show is not going to be perfect, but if one doesn't go in with outlandish expectations, it should be enjoyable.
He also said (again paraphrasing) that the look of the show will not be exactly like The Original Series (1960's look), but they will update it to 2016 esthetics and they will do "the best they can" to emulate what came before.
Again according to Meyer, Star Trek VI: the Undiscovered Country will have a BIG Influence conceptually on the show, because Bryan Fuller feels it is one of the best examples of Trek.
Addendum:
Majel Barrett/Roddenberry might just end up being the computer's voice for the show...
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-voice-of-star-treks-computers-could-be-coming-to-bo-1786251988
More explanation about the reasons behind the shows name...
http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/tv/star-trek/37600/star-trek-discovery-bryan-fuller-explains-show-title
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They said that about Taylor's VOY novels and the various KT tie-inns (like the game), they still aren't canon.
Maybe DSC will come about as CBS change their canon policy, but they haven't yet.
Sounds like a reasonable mindset to have prior to any media.
Oh noes! Muh cardboard!
YES! TUC is probably my favourite film (damn you BEY) and it really is like a little bit of DS9 in TOS.
I don't see why she wouldn't be. We have 50 years of her voice saying almost anything necessary to feel fully part of the show.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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The KT tie-ins: I'm not going to get into an argument over 'non-canon', because yes, the only thing which is really canon, is the released film/episode.
But. The JJ films do have plot-holes which the tie-in comics not only fill, but were intended to fill all along. They might not be 'canon', but they Are Licenced, so considered as 'accurate until contradicted by a canon source'. The difference between the KT comics and Jeri Taylor's novels, is that the Powers That Be (Berman and Braga?) decided to deliberately ignore Jeri Taylor's writing (for whatever reasons they had for their beef with her) and deliberately film episodic material which contradicted the novels as a way of giving the finger to her work, and deliberately making it inaccurate, rather than having the professional courtessy to use it as the Writer's Guide it was intended to be
http://www.treknews.net/2016/09/08/bryan-fuller-balance-of-terror-is-a-touchstone-for-the-star-trek-discovery-story-arc/
Seems the Romulans may be a major part of this new series.
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Perhaps the writer was thinking submarines when he wrote...
Perhaps, just maybe, it was more in the line of being extra careful not to touch anything that might send out a perceivable signal...
(like Spock ended up doing)
Most folks when being cautious, do tend to tone down their voice and act a bit subdued.
The episode just over emphasized that (like most shows do) to get the point across to the audience.
And it was written to emulate the idea of submarine warfare from WW II.
Also, I really can't see the appeal in ripping apart a TV episode written 50 years ago, just to make a inconsequential point.
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It's the cat-and-mouse that a lot of people remember, but there was also the new Romulan superweapon, that propagated so fast they had to back away at warp speed to avoid it. And the truly faceless enemy, because no one from Earth or any of her allies in that war had ever seen a Romulan and lived long enough to tell about it.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
More seriously, that could be a timeline divergence caused by the Temporal Cold War. It's very possible that one of several of the temporal fluctuations that occurred later changed it. I don't even know how many timelines are actually represented in Star Trek...
My character Tsin'xing
yes, because t'pol told them it was
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Do they also account for the Bonaventure being the first ship with warp drive? The Romulans lacking warp, warp 14 (or the warp 100 or so that would be needed for ST:V)or The crew of the NX-01 suddenly shelving all their shiny spatial torpedoes and the nice new photon ones the Andorians gave them in favour of primitive nukes? Augments in the 90s?
It's TOS, just ignore all but the story itself and the character interactions within. It's clear that's what every other writer did.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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http://www.startrek.com/article/new-discovery-launch-date-may-2017
Huummmmnnn....
They must have big plans for the SP-Fx.
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
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