Exactly... The producers of something aren't liable for how it is then used
I'm sorry, at what point did you get the impression blacklisting was an aspect of a court of law? It's what happens when you pis s people off who have enormous power over your future.
Exactly... The producers of something aren't liable for how it is then used
I'm sorry, at what point did you get the impression blacklisting was an aspect of a court of law? It's what happens when you pis s people off who have enormous power over your future.
That comment wasn't related to the topic at hand, read the post he quoted there
Exactly... The producers of something aren't liable for how it is then used
I'm sorry, at what point did you get the impression blacklisting was an aspect of a court of law? It's what happens when you pis s people off who have enormous power over your future.
At what point did I say that I thought it was? As for your justification for it, that's horsesh1t... CBS/Paramount aren't going to blacklist actors or other major contributers to fan films, they're just dogpiling on a 'weak link' who, as I previously pointed out, could have been unaware of what Alec Peters planned for the design of the Ares. There's possibly even grounds for a lawsuit from Sean Tourangeau for Alec Peters damaging his capacity for future earnings via a misuse of material and damage to business reputation...
PS Please fix the width of your signature so it conforms to forum guidelines... It's a really nice image, but I've had to turn off everyone's signature, because every page you post on, my iPADD displays incorrectly and cuts off the right hand side of the entire page, because your sig is over-width
Where are these guidelines? My signature is considerably smaller than the limits I read and the board keeps enlarging it for reasons I don't understand.
Where are these guidelines? My signature is considerably smaller than the limits I read and the board keeps enlarging it for reasons I don't understand.
Signature/Avatar Rule Violation
The total signature size must be no larger than 650x250 pixels if it contains an image. The text in the signature may be customized in use on the forums. It is recommended that you stick with readable fonts and colors and that the size is not too large. You may mention websites and ventures that you are in some way related to, as long as they are otherwise appropriate for the community. Strong political and religious sentiments should be kept out of profiles, signatures, and other content in this community. Failure to adhere to these rules will result in an infraction, and the removal of the offending signature or avatar.
What's the effective Screen resolution of an iPad? Because I see a giant margin on both sides of the posts.
I've absolutely no idea... And absolutely, the display always shows those margins, but the sig going 'out' of the text frame, always pulls text, and other page elements out of alignment too... For example, it would only show the "Q rather than the "Quote tab... I'm at a loss to explain why, but the consistent factor, is the sigs which 'go off the side'... :-\
Where are these guidelines? My signature is considerably smaller than the limits I read and the board keeps enlarging it for reasons I don't understand.
Signature/Avatar Rule Violation
The total signature size must be no larger than 650x250 pixels if it contains an image. The text in the signature may be customized in use on the forums. It is recommended that you stick with readable fonts and colors and that the size is not too large. You may mention websites and ventures that you are in some way related to, as long as they are otherwise appropriate for the community. Strong political and religious sentiments should be kept out of profiles, signatures, and other content in this community. Failure to adhere to these rules will result in an infraction, and the removal of the offending signature or avatar.
Thanks . I'll tinker with it further. I keep finding that when I make it less than 250 pixels tall it enlarges it -- a lot -- and that causes the width to overflow.
But just so you know I'm not being a douche for the sake of it:
Hopefully I didn't imply that you were. It was an honest question to what I assumed was an honest complaint. As I said, something strange is happening because I've taken screenshots of my sig as displayed inside the forum and its BIGGER than the file I've submitted. I don't know why and it's annoying for me because it makes the image slightly blurry being blown up like that.
I'm almost always on my galaxy note 5, and both of your signatures go off my screen at about the middle point, my signature goes off screen as well, but only cuts off the Jedi character (last one on the right)
Where are these guidelines? My signature is considerably smaller than the limits I read and the board keeps enlarging it for reasons I don't understand.
Signature/Avatar Rule Violation
The total signature size must be no larger than 650x250 pixels if it contains an image. The text in the signature may be customized in use on the forums. It is recommended that you stick with readable fonts and colors and that the size is not too large. You may mention websites and ventures that you are in some way related to, as long as they are otherwise appropriate for the community. Strong political and religious sentiments should be kept out of profiles, signatures, and other content in this community. Failure to adhere to these rules will result in an infraction, and the removal of the offending signature or avatar.
Thanks . I'll tinker with it further. I keep finding that when I make it less than 250 pixels tall it enlarges it -- a lot -- and that causes the width to overflow.
But just so you know I'm not being a douche for the sake of it:
Hopefully I didn't imply that you were. It was an honest question to what I assumed was an honest complaint. As I said, something strange is happening because I've taken screenshots of my sig as displayed inside the forum and its BIGGER than the file I've submitted. I don't know why and it's annoying for me because it makes the image slightly blurry being blown up like that.
No worries, and no, you didn't impy that, I just wanted you to know I was making the comment due to a legimate display issue, whuch seemed tied to your (and one or two other oversized) sig(s)
I'm almost always on my galaxy note 5, and both of your signatures go off my screen at about the middle point, my signature goes off screen as well, but only cuts off the Jedi character (last one on the right)
interesting... When I post, if my signature image is cutting off midway, does that also pull text 'out of frame' as well?
I'm almost always on my galaxy note 5, and both of your signatures go off my screen at about the middle point, my signature goes off screen as well, but only cuts off the Jedi character (last one on the right)
interesting... When I post, if my signature image is cutting off midway, does that also pull text 'out of frame' as well?
Nope, on my device only signatures are affected.
That being said, when they first went to these forums EVERYTHING went off the screen regardless of signatures, unless I stayed on the ugly mobile site. Was only a couple months ago when I noticed that stop.
Interesting indeed... A couple of observations I would make about some of the points which were discussed...
-In the forty years of fanfilm production, it is i) only very recently that production values can approach or equal those of a professional production ii) only now that such a project coincides with the upcoming release of not only a new Star Trek TV series, but also a new film in a series of films which have been far from universally popular iii) only now that franchise alumnus can really be brought into a project
-The non-profit status... They want that as a deflection tactic. If the CBS/Paramount lawyers turn round and say that Alec Peters has made profit, at present, he has no real option but to admit it. But if that non-profit status is granted, while he has indeed made profit, he can at least try and say "Nuh uh, I'm non-profit! Look, I haz paperworks and stuffs..." It won't fly, but I can see what he's hoping to be able to do...
-Anything what Alec Peters doesn't want to hear = Haters... Reductionist, evasive, and childish. He knows he's been caught with his hand in the cookie jar, he's just trying to convince himself he's done nothing wrong... And part of that, involves not engaging with anything where he could actually be proven wrong or caught in a lie...
-Axanar Perks appearing on eBay: I'm not surprized... Donor wants the money back which was put into a project which likely will not happen... Simples...
-Alec Peters did not come off well in this feature...
-The non-profit status... They want that as a deflection tactic. If the CBS/Paramount lawyers turn round and say that Alec Peters has made profit, at present, he has no real option but to admit it. But if that non-profit status is granted, while he has indeed made profit, he can at least try and say "Nuh uh, I'm non-profit! Look, I haz paperworks and stuffs..." It won't fly, but I can see what he's hoping to be able to do...
This is the part that is almost comical in its stupidity. You are going for non-profit status, to account for making a profit. Seriously, am I the only one that finds this contradictory.
You can't take money, build a studio, and then calm "non-profit" status. At this point, I think Peters is so desperate that even HE doesn't know what is or isn't a lie anymore.
-The non-profit status... They want that as a deflection tactic. If the CBS/Paramount lawyers turn round and say that Alec Peters has made profit, at present, he has no real option but to admit it. But if that non-profit status is granted, while he has indeed made profit, he can at least try and say "Nuh uh, I'm non-profit! Look, I haz paperworks and stuffs..." It won't fly, but I can see what he's hoping to be able to do...
This is the part that is almost comical in its stupidity. You are going for non-profit status, to account for making a profit. Seriously, am I the only one that finds this contradictory.
You can't take money, build a studio, and then calm "non-profit" status. At this point, I think Peters is so desperate that even HE doesn't know what is or isn't a lie anymore.
Nope... Hilarious, isn't it Like I said, he knows he's been busted, I think he's just trying to use tricks like this to try and deflect or dissipate some of the heat he knows is coming...
I would have liked to have seen the production completed as well, as it looked interesting. It's unfortunate they got greedy and decided to take the pee - now it it will likely never be made and cast a cloud on future fan made productions.
I'm not sure it's going to cast any clouds on future productions. So long as future projects "follow the rules", they should be fine.
The problem is by the "rules" ALL of these projects are infringements. For a long time CBS/Paramount turned a legal blind eye to them, until Axanar crossed the line. They've already sent a strong letter to the Horizon folks "encouraging" them not to do the sequel episodes.
The problem is, there really is no definition, and there can't be of where that line is actually drawn.
Well that really stinks. I'm curious if CBS/Paramount will indeed go after all fan productions now or just those that are crowd funded?
Technically they can. They're all violations of copyright. And if they do NOTHING, they do stand to lose their trademark. However it's also clear that they are sensitive to the fan backlash such a move would create, and up until now, they've legally pretended the fan works don't exist. The Horizon people have been told not to make any more films, but no further action seems to be contemplated against them.
The way I think things are going to play out is thusly. The Axanar people are going to lose their case in a big way, possibly up to the point of damages which are going to cost them their studio. Any other project that goes for crowdfunding will wind up on the radar scan for awhile. And eventually things will settle down to pre-Axanar norms. Until the next group forgets the lesson that CBS taught them in court.
The way I think things are going to play out is thusly. The Axanar people are going to lose their case in a big way, possibly up to the point of damages which are going to cost them their studio. Any other project that goes for crowdfunding will wind up on the radar scan for awhile. And eventually things will settle down to pre-Axanar norms. Until the next group forgets the lesson that CBS taught them in court.
I think this is probably realistic. The trick is how much collateral damage happens in the mean time. Cases like this can take a while (possibly years) and as Axanar tries to defend their actions, it might force CBS' hand to defend their Trademark/copyright more rigorously then they normally would. This could mean various fan-films are encouraged to not make their films.
Ultimately, I don't see Axanar winning. And for a while. Fan films will probably be a little cautious on if they even want to make a fan product, lest CBS/Paramount come down on them. But eventually everything will settle down again. But lots of damage can be done to the fan film community in the mean time.
I would have liked to have seen the production completed as well, as it looked interesting. It's unfortunate they got greedy and decided to take the pee - now it it will likely never be made and cast a cloud on future fan made productions.
I'm not sure it's going to cast any clouds on future productions. So long as future projects "follow the rules", they should be fine.
The problem is by the "rules" ALL of these projects are infringements. For a long time CBS/Paramount turned a legal blind eye to them, until Axanar crossed the line. They've already sent a strong letter to the Horizon folks "encouraging" them not to do the sequel episodes.
The problem is, there really is no definition, and there can't be of where that line is actually drawn.
If you watch the video, that is actually explained very sensibly: If CBS/Paramount were to create any guidelines, they are effectively compromising their use of their own IP. All the time they did nothing, the balance worked. Then Darth Peters came along and decided to cut himself more than his fair-share of the pie... As noted above, this will and is impacting on the fan film community, as Star Trek Continues are practically begging for support, rather than the easy support they had on the last Kirkstarter... Potential Supporters are understandably worried -- Not by the actions of the STC producers, but by the impacts which the outcome of this case could have in the fan films...
Cryptic and PWE should show their support by creating whatever class of ship is in Axenar for each faction since they are so unique it would be really cool to fly that era's warbird.
Heck when the new TV series that's rumored to come out do the same thing, a warbird from the Enterprise C or Stargazer era would be killer.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] "This planet smells, it must be the Klingons"
Why should Cryptic, a company that acquired a license before creating a derivative work, "show support" for someone who is not only openly flouting copyright and trademark law, but attacking the intellectual-property owner from whom the license came?
I would have liked to have seen the production completed as well, as it looked interesting. It's unfortunate they got greedy and decided to take the pee - now it it will likely never be made and cast a cloud on future fan made productions.
I'm not sure it's going to cast any clouds on future productions. So long as future projects "follow the rules", they should be fine.
The problem is by the "rules" ALL of these projects are infringements. For a long time CBS/Paramount turned a legal blind eye to them, until Axanar crossed the line. They've already sent a strong letter to the Horizon folks "encouraging" them not to do the sequel episodes.
The problem is, there really is no definition, and there can't be of where that line is actually drawn.
If you watch the video, that is actually explained very sensibly: If CBS/Paramount were to create any guidelines, they are effectively compromising their use of their own IP. All the time they did nothing, the balance worked. Then Darth Peters came along and decided to cut himself more than his fair-share of the pie... As noted above, this will and is impacting on the fan film community, as Star Trek Continues are practically begging for support, rather than the easy support they had on the last Kirkstarter... Potential Supporters are understandably worried -- Not by the actions of the STC producers, but by the impacts which the outcome of this case could have in the fan films...
One thing they could potentially do (note I said potentially, as I seriously doubt this would ever happen), is set up some form of fan-fiction licensing program. Specific guidelines could be set regarding uses of copyrighted materials and production restrictions, for a nominal fee. This has the benefit of protecting the interests of everyone involved, but as I said is highly unlikely to ever happen.
Cryptic and PWE should show their support by creating whatever class of ship is in Axenar for each faction since they are so unique it would be really cool to fly that era's warbird.
Heck when the new TV series that's rumored to come out do the same thing, a warbird from the Enterprise C or Stargazer era would be killer.
As evidenced in this very thread, many fans who are educated about the situation don't support Peters anymore, so why should Cryptic/PWE, ESPECIALLY considering they have a license from CBS to develop STO, and such support could very well prove to be detrimental to the license agreement? Not to mention it's been stated several times that CBS gives the final approval on ALL ship designs incorporated in STO, so it's pretty much a given that they would put a stop to that even IF Cryptic actually wanted to do that.
The director of a movie voicing his personal support is one thing, what you propose is something completely different, and something no company would ever do. I highly doubt they would even comment on it tbh.
I would have liked to have seen the production completed as well, as it looked interesting. It's unfortunate they got greedy and decided to take the pee - now it it will likely never be made and cast a cloud on future fan made productions.
I'm not sure it's going to cast any clouds on future productions. So long as future projects "follow the rules", they should be fine.
The problem is by the "rules" ALL of these projects are infringements. For a long time CBS/Paramount turned a legal blind eye to them, until Axanar crossed the line. They've already sent a strong letter to the Horizon folks "encouraging" them not to do the sequel episodes.
The problem is, there really is no definition, and there can't be of where that line is actually drawn.
If you watch the video, that is actually explained very sensibly: If CBS/Paramount were to create any guidelines, they are effectively compromising their use of their own IP. All the time they did nothing, the balance worked. Then Darth Peters came along and decided to cut himself more than his fair-share of the pie... As noted above, this will and is impacting on the fan film community, as Star Trek Continues are practically begging for support, rather than the easy support they had on the last Kirkstarter... Potential Supporters are understandably worried -- Not by the actions of the STC producers, but by the impacts which the outcome of this case could have in the fan films...
One thing they could potentially do (note I said potentially, as I seriously doubt this would ever happen), is set up some form of fan-fiction licensing program. Specific guidelines could be set regarding uses of copyrighted materials and production restrictions, for a nominal fee. This has the benefit of protecting the interests of everyone involved, but as I said is highly unlikely to ever happen.
I also doubt it will ever happen, for the afore-mentioned reason: CBS/Paramount will not agree to anything which could possibly constrict their use of their IP... There's simply no reason why they should do that...
Now if once Alec Peters has been sued into oblivion, it wouldn't surprize me if they were to go back to their previous stance of turning a blind eye to productions which don't do what Alec Peters has done: Use the Star Trek IP to profit and set himself up a production studio...
Cryptic and PWE should show their support by creating whatever class of ship is in Axenar for each faction since they are so unique it would be really cool to fly that era's warbird.
Yeah, I think the group that filed this posted onto the r/StarTrek subreddit.
Even if the claim on the language gets struck down, there is still plenty to nail Axanar on... but, something seems fishy about this. They claim to have no affiliation to the case, and aren't taking a position, but the timing seems... odd.
Plus, I think CBS has every right to the language, since they own the IP the language is based on, the publisher the original dictionary was released through, and the movies/TV shows the language appears in. Any added words would be derivative, and potentially viewed as unofficial.
Yeah, I think the group that filed this posted onto the r/StarTrek subreddit.
Even if the claim on the language gets struck down, there is still plenty to nail Axanar on... but, something seems fishy about this. They claim to have no affiliation to the case, and aren't taking a position, but the timing seems... odd.
Plus, I think CBS has every right to the language, since they own the IP the language is based on, the publisher the original dictionary was released through, and the movies/TV shows the language appears in. Any added words would be derivative, and potentially viewed as unofficial.
I disagree... considering its a full language and can be used to communicate complex concepts or everyday conversations, this would be akin to Oxford deciding that 'Queens English' belongs to them now.
Romulan would be much more murky imo, while there are some complex concepts, its still far too broken to be a full language. The problem boils down to what makes language something more than an author's concept? How much of it needs to be set down with full grammar rules, and written form? Klingon has all of these, enough to even translate Shakespeare. Romulan, Ferengi, etc do not. I've known people that spoke enough Klingon to have conversations, on everyday things. I've never met someone that could do that in another 'Trek' language.
The flip of this, is it can also have some interesting ramifications outside Axanar/Star Trek. In Star Wars the "basic" language has enough work done on it that you can use a properly made font to translate signs that were made in SWTOR and(iirc) KOTOR1&2 into english words/names. Can it be considered the property of Disney? Or has it grown too large?
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I'm sorry, at what point did you get the impression blacklisting was an aspect of a court of law? It's what happens when you pis s people off who have enormous power over your future.
That comment wasn't related to the topic at hand, read the post he quoted there
PS Please fix the width of your signature so it conforms to forum guidelines... It's a really nice image, but I've had to turn off everyone's signature, because every page you post on, my iPADD displays incorrectly and cuts off the right hand side of the entire page, because your sig is over-width
Found here:
And there was a discussion on this issue fairly recently...
But if yours is under those guidelines, it must just be a glitch with the iPADD and the forum...
But just so you know I'm not being a douche for the sake of it:
A page where you didn't post...
This page...
My character Tsin'xing
Thanks
Hopefully I didn't imply that you were. It was an honest question to what I assumed was an honest complaint. As I said, something strange is happening because I've taken screenshots of my sig as displayed inside the forum and its BIGGER than the file I've submitted. I don't know why and it's annoying for me because it makes the image slightly blurry being blown up like that.
Nope, on my device only signatures are affected.
That being said, when they first went to these forums EVERYTHING went off the screen regardless of signatures, unless I stayed on the ugly mobile site. Was only a couple months ago when I noticed that stop.
without:
My character Tsin'xing
And, that poor PR guy, LOL... he seems like a nice guy, and he's caught up in all of this... yikes.
-In the forty years of fanfilm production, it is i) only very recently that production values can approach or equal those of a professional production ii) only now that such a project coincides with the upcoming release of not only a new Star Trek TV series, but also a new film in a series of films which have been far from universally popular iii) only now that franchise alumnus can really be brought into a project
-The non-profit status... They want that as a deflection tactic. If the CBS/Paramount lawyers turn round and say that Alec Peters has made profit, at present, he has no real option but to admit it. But if that non-profit status is granted, while he has indeed made profit, he can at least try and say "Nuh uh, I'm non-profit! Look, I haz paperworks and stuffs..." It won't fly, but I can see what he's hoping to be able to do...
-Anything what Alec Peters doesn't want to hear = Haters... Reductionist, evasive, and childish. He knows he's been caught with his hand in the cookie jar, he's just trying to convince himself he's done nothing wrong... And part of that, involves not engaging with anything where he could actually be proven wrong or caught in a lie...
-Axanar Perks appearing on eBay: I'm not surprized... Donor wants the money back which was put into a project which likely will not happen... Simples...
-Alec Peters did not come off well in this feature...
An interesting view, thanks for sharing
This is the part that is almost comical in its stupidity. You are going for non-profit status, to account for making a profit. Seriously, am I the only one that finds this contradictory.
You can't take money, build a studio, and then calm "non-profit" status. At this point, I think Peters is so desperate that even HE doesn't know what is or isn't a lie anymore.
The problem is by the "rules" ALL of these projects are infringements. For a long time CBS/Paramount turned a legal blind eye to them, until Axanar crossed the line. They've already sent a strong letter to the Horizon folks "encouraging" them not to do the sequel episodes.
The problem is, there really is no definition, and there can't be of where that line is actually drawn.
Technically they can. They're all violations of copyright. And if they do NOTHING, they do stand to lose their trademark. However it's also clear that they are sensitive to the fan backlash such a move would create, and up until now, they've legally pretended the fan works don't exist. The Horizon people have been told not to make any more films, but no further action seems to be contemplated against them.
The way I think things are going to play out is thusly. The Axanar people are going to lose their case in a big way, possibly up to the point of damages which are going to cost them their studio. Any other project that goes for crowdfunding will wind up on the radar scan for awhile. And eventually things will settle down to pre-Axanar norms. Until the next group forgets the lesson that CBS taught them in court.
I think this is probably realistic. The trick is how much collateral damage happens in the mean time. Cases like this can take a while (possibly years) and as Axanar tries to defend their actions, it might force CBS' hand to defend their Trademark/copyright more rigorously then they normally would. This could mean various fan-films are encouraged to not make their films.
Ultimately, I don't see Axanar winning. And for a while. Fan films will probably be a little cautious on if they even want to make a fan product, lest CBS/Paramount come down on them. But eventually everything will settle down again. But lots of damage can be done to the fan film community in the mean time.
Heck when the new TV series that's rumored to come out do the same thing, a warbird from the Enterprise C or Stargazer era would be killer.
One thing they could potentially do (note I said potentially, as I seriously doubt this would ever happen), is set up some form of fan-fiction licensing program. Specific guidelines could be set regarding uses of copyrighted materials and production restrictions, for a nominal fee. This has the benefit of protecting the interests of everyone involved, but as I said is highly unlikely to ever happen.
As evidenced in this very thread, many fans who are educated about the situation don't support Peters anymore, so why should Cryptic/PWE, ESPECIALLY considering they have a license from CBS to develop STO, and such support could very well prove to be detrimental to the license agreement? Not to mention it's been stated several times that CBS gives the final approval on ALL ship designs incorporated in STO, so it's pretty much a given that they would put a stop to that even IF Cryptic actually wanted to do that.
The director of a movie voicing his personal support is one thing, what you propose is something completely different, and something no company would ever do. I highly doubt they would even comment on it tbh.
Now if once Alec Peters has been sued into oblivion, it wouldn't surprize me if they were to go back to their previous stance of turning a blind eye to productions which don't do what Alec Peters has done: Use the Star Trek IP to profit and set himself up a production studio...
Cryptic and PWE should show no support whatsoever.
Yeah, I think the group that filed this posted onto the r/StarTrek subreddit.
Even if the claim on the language gets struck down, there is still plenty to nail Axanar on... but, something seems fishy about this. They claim to have no affiliation to the case, and aren't taking a position, but the timing seems... odd.
Plus, I think CBS has every right to the language, since they own the IP the language is based on, the publisher the original dictionary was released through, and the movies/TV shows the language appears in. Any added words would be derivative, and potentially viewed as unofficial.
Romulan would be much more murky imo, while there are some complex concepts, its still far too broken to be a full language. The problem boils down to what makes language something more than an author's concept? How much of it needs to be set down with full grammar rules, and written form? Klingon has all of these, enough to even translate Shakespeare. Romulan, Ferengi, etc do not. I've known people that spoke enough Klingon to have conversations, on everyday things. I've never met someone that could do that in another 'Trek' language.
The flip of this, is it can also have some interesting ramifications outside Axanar/Star Trek. In Star Wars the "basic" language has enough work done on it that you can use a properly made font to translate signs that were made in SWTOR and(iirc) KOTOR1&2 into english words/names. Can it be considered the property of Disney? Or has it grown too large?