Since the revamped model will most likely be available to previous versions...
If you already own a T5 Defiant...
2.5/3k zen will be a charge for: Valiant model, +1 lt lvl boff slot, console which in order to utilize 2pc set needs to take two spaces (as the cloak does nothing as passive nor it is usable at all time). Semi useful improvement which comes from 2pc set can only be used with the 2pc set that needs already mentioned cloak (compare it to KDF or Rom equivalent set consoles, FED version is by far inferior). Hybrid lt com slot of pilot abilities. Trait
+Fleet module to make it Fleet variant.
Hmmm.....
3k zen Phantom - Special mechanics + hybrid (desired) seating + trait(superb) + cloak
+Fleet module to make it Fleet variant.
3k zen Pilot ship - Special mechanics + hybrid seating + trait comes in 3 variants
Already fleet quality.
If Defiant was not my Fav ship in the star trek universe I would NEVER buy that T6 Valiant thing. EVER.
Both Phantom and Pilot ships are far superior to this ship.
Why do I feel disgust and buyers remorse before even buying this???
I cant help myself I want this ship even though I know its a fail. Should I feel that way about the game item
Catch 22
I think I will stick to the T5-U until somebody will get some brains and fixes this fiasco.
I looked at the T6 BoP and look at my klinks T5U BoP ....tbh my T5U is a better ship besides the dumb trait it has exaclty what my T5U as same console and boff layout.
The T6 defiant is anohter let down still no integrated cloak im not talking battle cloak just an integrated standard cloak but nope cryptc is still making people waste a console slot like always
Now to the T6 T'varo ..as a rom player that ship is an insult my fleet t'varo T5U is a far better ship why would i want to spend cash on ship just for a trait 3 tac consoles you kidding me? and it has 4 sci consoles wth is it a sci ship or an escort.
The 4/2 - 4/3 weapons thing isnt to big of a deal as is the pilot stuff there should be certain ships that do certain things other ships cant do.
It really comes down to are you the player willing to spend the cash to buy a ship that in one regard is inferior to its T5U counterpart ( Malem v T'Varo )
Or equal to the T5U counter part and the fleet is in some ways superior ( T5U BoP )
Or a ship that wastes a console slot on a device that should be integrated and the stats are overall underwhelming and in some regard inferior to or equal to the fleet T5U defiant.
I wont waste my money on these clunkers as it is my fleet T5U BoP is a better ship as is my fleet T5U T'Varo and ive got mates who are passing on the T6 Defiant because what they got is already eqaul to or better then the new shiney T6 defiant.
Don't worry; the T6 Patrol Escort (C-Store variant Tempest) and T6 Escort (C-Store variant Gladius) will be better, as they're 2nd line ships that need time to shine (and sell).
Not to mention, the former has a pretty good setup that could either get an LtC Sci or an Ensign Uni for it's 13th seat, and has the lovely Nadion Saturation Bomb for Phaser builds and the Tempest Tailgun.
The latter is a flat flying ray or spatula that is due for some 2400 loving and can work with Pilot abilities thanks to its T2 console granting a temporary buff to speed as an escape ability.
I don't mind them yeah not top notch but honestly we don't need each ship that comes out making all that came before it obsolete. As said also speciality ships are really the only ships that get things like pilot manauver/inspiration/itel powers alongside commander level spec seats, wether we will see this change is not complete sure (well in time it will, look at the herald ships having two hybrid seats of differnet types that was not seen beofre this.). I would much rather have seen the T-6 Defiant/bop get a three piece bonus thatupgrades the cloaking device console into a battle-cloak fucntionality-wise if you have the full three piece set.
Like the Stats thread in News the summation of these comments are blah, blah, blah, wah, wah, wah.
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Well I am not surprised the new version... aka, the "Valiant" is noob... cuz it was piloted by those Red Squad noobs that had the Valiant destroyed in their first major mission with it. The REAL Defiant gets ALL the goods, battle cloaks and TRIBBLE.
In a perfect world (meaning that imaginary place where I got everything I ever wanted exactly how I wanted it, not the company) all the numbers would be hidden from the player... You'd get a percentage for shield strength and hull integrity, but wouldn't know 70% of 4400 or 5600. You'd know that High Yield Torpedo gives you a "medium-to-large damage increase" but wouldn't know that it's +108%x1 for HYT1 and +55.5%x4 for HYT3. You'd know that the slower, targetable torps do more damage than the faster ones... but wouldn't know the number of HPs dealt per hit. That way, you (the player) can just play the game, enjoy the story, and immerse yourself in the imaginary world of Star Trek instead of sweating the small stuff.
Cryptic actually tried that in their very first (and now sadly defunct) game, City of Heroes. It didn't really work, rather precise (and absolutely unimpeachably ToS compliant) methods of gauging the exact numbers were soon invented by players, and min-maxing and cookie-cutting went on, then the devs finally stopped the rigmarole and gave the players official stats.
In a perfect world (meaning that imaginary place where I got everything I ever wanted exactly how I wanted it, not the company) all the numbers would be hidden from the player... You'd get a percentage for shield strength and hull integrity, but wouldn't know 70% of 4400 or 5600. You'd know that High Yield Torpedo gives you a "medium-to-large damage increase" but wouldn't know that it's +108%x1 for HYT1 and +55.5%x4 for HYT3. You'd know that the slower, targetable torps do more damage than the faster ones... but wouldn't know the number of HPs dealt per hit. That way, you (the player) can just play the game, enjoy the story, and immerse yourself in the imaginary world of Star Trek instead of sweating the small stuff.
Cryptic actually tried that in their very first (and now sadly defunct) game, City of Heroes. It didn't really work, rather precise (and absolutely unimpeachably ToS compliant) methods of gauging the exact numbers were soon invented by players, and min-maxing and cookie-cutting went on, then the devs finally stopped the rigmarole and gave the players official stats.
I looked at the T6 BoP and look at my klinks T5U BoP ....tbh my T5U is a better ship besides the dumb trait it has exaclty what my T5U as same console and boff layout.
The T6 defiant is anohter let down still no integrated cloak im not talking battle cloak just an integrated standard cloak but nope cryptc is still making people waste a console slot like always
Now to the T6 T'varo ..as a rom player that ship is an insult my fleet t'varo T5U is a far better ship why would i want to spend cash on ship just for a trait 3 tac consoles you kidding me? and it has 4 sci consoles wth is it a sci ship or an escort.
The 4/2 - 4/3 weapons thing isnt to big of a deal as is the pilot stuff there should be certain ships that do certain things other ships cant do.
It really comes down to are you the player willing to spend the cash to buy a ship that in one regard is inferior to its T5U counterpart ( Malem v T'Varo )
Or equal to the T5U counter part and the fleet is in some ways superior ( T5U BoP )
Or a ship that wastes a console slot on a device that should be integrated and the stats are overall underwhelming and in some regard inferior to or equal to the fleet T5U defiant.
I wont waste my money on these clunkers as it is my fleet T5U BoP is a better ship as is my fleet T5U T'Varo and ive got mates who are passing on the T6 Defiant because what they got is already eqaul to or better then the new shiney T6 defiant.
More importantly, the T6 BOP is now 12 BOFF skill count, the same as the T5/T5U Fleet Norgh, compared to the 11 of the T5/T5U B'Rel or any other Non-Fleet Norgh BOP. The T5/T5U Fleet Norgh gets the full 12 Universal BOFF skill count but pays for it with -1 Console Slot.
To put it bluntly, T5U in reality is T5.5. Then there's T6. T5U/T5.5 gives you SOME of the perks of T6 but not all. People paid for half an upgrade but now are crying you didn't get the FULL works of T6.
There are whole swathes of people out there in this game that have ZERO CLUE on what T5U is to T6. You guys are completely confused, completely misinformed out there.
I'm surprised to see so many people disappointed by the stats.. they're exactly what anyone should have expected.
The history is there, you can already tell ahead of release what the stats are going to be by using the T5 as a Template. We'll see the exact same thing on the next release, the Sovereign. People will be asking for 12 weapons, a Commander Tactical, 8 Tactical Consoles and a hangar bay and then be disappointed to find it's an upgraded version of the Fleet Assault Cruiser refit with a specialist seat, a new console, and a trait.
The Defiant stats were exactly what I thought they would be including the trait.
Complaints without basis, lacking any sort of perspective in game design, diversity, balance, and keeping the lights on for the show, nevermind complete ignorance about previous ship release trends and ship classes (dilithium/leveling, mirror, event, c-store, c-store specialty, lobi, lockbox, promo).
Suddenly your favorite ship comes on and let's grab the pitchforks jump on the forums just because [self-entitled rant that has no logic].
When we complained about the Hestia, the pages of feedback had an actual basis for it: an attack ship with command seating (support function) that overlaps the only engineer seats and has no universal stations plus 3 ens tacs on an already tac-overloaded boff layout, nevermind my own annoyance at being forced to buy the T5 variant for the MVAM in an era of pet nerfs and pet fix-monetization, which I did and so sacrificing purchasing the Morrigu or Vastam. We don't all have kemo 1 whose drop rate rivals a lockbox ship.
The Devs considered the feedback, and gave us a uni ens instead of the tac ens.
The Devs considered the feedback regarding the Photons on this T6 Defiant, and gave us Quantums, not after the promo sale was already up, but immediately, even before the ship was put on sale.
The Devs gave us fun Pilot-class specialty ships, for all factions of all types in whatever bundle you could possibly ask for. They put effort in making real good looking specialty ships, and also remastering canon ship skins.
Put yourselves in a Devs shoes and for a split second look beyond your limited self-entitled perspectives then hop in here and start hammering away that the ship needs everything and evermore because [even more self-entitled rants that have no basis because I am the best who cares about the rest and everything].
I feel bad for replying to this topic keeping it on front page just one split second longer than it needs to be, but it also must be said: the Defiant rage was well predicted a long time ago, and here its, and it's even worse than those who predicted it.
I really don't get it.... The new ship is going to be fine. It's like many people are upset because they feel that it will not be the most OP ship in the game.
Is this ship capable of doing 80k+ DPS with those stats? Yes, and this is more than enough for all the content, which means the ship is at the very least going to be competitive in all the content. So, I really don't understand why people are fussing over it just because it doesn't have +1 +1 +1 +1 status over every other ship in the game.
Looking at the stats of the other T6 ships compared to their T5 counterparts like the LRSV, Exploration Cruiser, etc, I am not at all surprised by the stats on this ship. I would've been extremely surprised if they would have made it OP. Having said that, the Starship Trait on the T6 Defiant looks very powerful and extremely useful for a CSV build.
You would buy this ship because you want to fly an improved and refitted Defiant, not because its the new #1 OP ship, and this is the way I think it, and all the other ships, are intended to be marketed. I really don't understand people's outrage over this.
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The ship isn't even available yet and already some SpoonFed players are complaining it is not a GodShip? Good Lord!
Agreed. I main Fed and even I can't help but go "WTF" at this complaining. I mean they give us a nice ship and people are acting like its the end of the world.
Complaints without basis, lacking any sort of perspective in game design, diversity, balance, and keeping the lights on for the show, nevermind complete ignorance about previous ship release trends and ship classes (dilithium/leveling, mirror, event, c-store, c-store specialty, lobi, lockbox, promo).
Suddenly your favorite ship comes on and let's grab the pitchforks jump on the forums just because [self-entitled rant that has no logic].
When we complained about the Hestia, the pages of feedback had an actual basis for it: an attack ship with command seating (support function) that overlaps the only engineer seats and has no universal stations plus 3 ens tacs on an already tac-overloaded boff layout, nevermind my own annoyance at being forced to buy the T5 variant for the MVAM in an era of pet nerfs and pet fix-monetization, which I did and so sacrificing purchasing the Morrigu or Vastam. We don't all have kemo 1 whose drop rate rivals a lockbox ship.
The Devs considered the feedback, and gave us a uni ens instead of the tac ens.
The Devs considered the feedback regarding the Photons on this T6 Defiant, and gave us Quantums, not after the promo sale was already up, but immediately, even before the ship was put on sale.
The Devs gave us fun Pilot-class specialty ships, for all factions of all types in whatever bundle you could possibly ask for. They put effort in making real good looking specialty ships, and also remastering canon ship skins.
Put yourselves in a Devs shoes and for a split second look beyond your limited self-entitled perspectives then hop in here and start hammering away that the ship needs everything and evermore because [even more self-entitled rants that have no basis because I am the best who cares about the rest and everything].
I feel bad for replying to this topic keeping it on front page just one split second longer than it needs to be, but it also must be said: the Defiant rage was well predicted a long time ago, and here its, and it's even worse than those who predicted it.
Agreed. Seems like once again anything the Devs do just generates rage. They do what we want, we rage. They fix this, we rage. They nerf that that desperately needed a nerf, we rage.
I honestly wonder somedays why I visit General Discussion, and also wonder if General Discussion has any modes besides "Angry Mob".
I really don't get it.... The new ship is going to be fine. It's like many people are upset because they feel that it will not be the most OP ship in the game.
Is this ship capable of doing 80k+ DPS with those stats? Yes, and this is more than enough for all the content, which means the ship is at the very least going to be competitive in all the content. So, I really don't understand why people are fussing over it just because it doesn't have +1 +1 +1 +1 status over every other ship in the game.
Looking at the stats of the other T6 ships compared to their T5 counterparts like the LRSV, Exploration Cruiser, etc, I am not at all surprised by the stats on this ship. I would've been extremely surprised if they would have made it OP. Having said that, the Starship Trait on the T6 Defiant looks very powerful and extremely useful for a CSV build.
You would buy this ship because you want to fly an improved and refitted Defiant, not because its the new #1 OP ship, and this is the way I think it, and all the other ships, are intended to be marketed. I really don't understand people's outrage over this.
I'm with you there hawkrunner. I don't understand either.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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I knew what the stats would be...well I was relatively sure and they ended up exactly as I had thought, but, even tho I'm not a defiant fan and wouldn't fly this ship anyway, I'm voicing my annoyance with the fact that the pilot escorts are superior in every single way. This ship has nothing going for it. Someone mentioned that this is for a different play style, but that's simply not true. The pilot escorts are basically the same, but have extra abilities and these are not pointless abilities. The only bonus the defiant has over the pilot escorts is access to the cloak console, but then you could use the phantom, which has an integrated cloak that doesn't take up a console slot. So the defiant is what? A crappy phantom?
The 2 piece set for the defiant is pointless since its not a battle cloak, how do you expect to take advantage of the bonus when you have to be out of combat and every single thing takes you out of cloak too? Its pointless, just like not tossing in the quad cannons as a 3 piece bonus... I smell lazy somewhere from the bay area...
well, guess ill wait to see what the t7 version looks like next year.
Feds have never had battle cloaks, right? Why should this be different?
In DS9 episode 4x01-02 (The Way Of The Warrior) Sisko clearly requested activate the cloak during Defiant was under attack. So I made conclusion that Defiant has a BATTLE cloak.
I knew what the stats would be...well I was relatively sure and they ended up exactly as I had thought, but, even tho I'm not a defiant fan and wouldn't fly this ship anyway, I'm voicing my annoyance with the fact that the pilot escorts are superior in every single way. This ship has nothing going for it. Someone mentioned that this is for a different play style, but that's simply not true. The pilot escorts are basically the same, but have extra abilities and these are not pointless abilities. The only bonus the defiant has over the pilot escorts is access to the cloak console, but then you could use the phantom, which has an integrated cloak that doesn't take up a console slot. So the defiant is what? A crappy phantom?
I would have been ok with just one tweak to the ship and that would have been 5/2 weapons layout. All the other stats are fine. Cryptic would have had my money if that's the only change they did. Unfortunately they won't change that so I take my 30 dollars elsewhere.
Feds have never had battle cloaks, right? Why should this be different?
In DS9 episode 4x01-02 (The Way Of The Warrior) Sisko clearly requested activate the cloak during Defiant was under attack. So I made conclusion that Defiant has a BATTLE cloak.
Feds never had cloaks at all... the cloak on the Defiant was a Romulan cloaking device, installed and operated by Romulan personnel, under agreement between the Federation and Romulan Star Empire, that it would not be operated without a Romulan officer present; as part of this agreement, the Federation was prohibited from even attempting to research their own cloaking technology. There was even a point made, later in the series, where it was mentioned that they were going to take some heat from Starfleet Command for doing so without a Romulan on-board. (This was eventually glossed over and forgotten about, but was never retracted or changed on-screen.)
As far as being a battle cloak: all cloaking devices had the capability of cloaking during combat... they just couldn't defend themselves or fight back when doing so (excepting the STVI prototype). In-game, that restriction was put in place, (guessing here) for game balance... In-universe, however, a cloak is a cloak is a cloak.
Feds are crying for not getting a battle cloak? Why?! Seriously you lot even watch DS9 ? Please show me where the defiant made use of being able to cloak in battle at will ?... Right now that we got that out of the way. The defiant T6 is a decent ship. So it got a pilot hybrid seat, It's Not the end of the world. In the show , we often saw the Defiant a nimble agile ship especially in Jadzia's hands when she was at the helm. Jadzia was a highly experienced pilot. So giving it a pilot hybrid seat there's a case for it. No it's not a pilot bundle ship so it wasn't going to get pilot manovers too. Nor should it have. Command or Intel would have served the ship better but if you wanted either of those for a hybrid. Cryptic gave you the hestia with it's command seat and phantom for the intel.
The bop looks pretty strong offering. Intel would have really made that ship an insane OP alpha striker. Even with a pilot seat that ships still set up pretty on alpha striking. Fly to the ships strengths not it's weaknesses.
the T6 T'varo I'm not gonna complain it got some flexible options. Not having five tac consoles isn't the end of the world. With half decent ship building skills you can make even a three tac console ship pump out plenty of dps if your chasing top deeps.
People whining over the 4/3 weapons loadout being hot garbage ? LOL !!!! riiiiiight.... anyone check the top leaderbords for dps lately ?... there several who have hit well past 150K dps parses in a Morrigu which is OMG a 4/3 layout for weapons. Seems to me that a 4/3 weapons load out isn't too shabby. Yes I have used an obvious extreme here. But this thread's QQ's been beyond over the top and rubbish.
Now if the dev's went all kdf and treated the T6 Defiant with the bop treatment of a weak hull , weak shields , raider flanking and NO cloak. and give it all universal seating and one less console. Then yeah the Feddie bears could whine and have something to really cry about.
I feel for the Dev's the level of fail and hate is laughably bad comedy. They delivered a series of ships that got the standerd T6 upgrade treatment. Anyone expecting pilot manouvers , 6/4 weapons and 10 tac consoles and most OP ship trait that would put supremacy to shame was really setting themselves up for some serious fail. The ships are upgrades over there T5 counterparts. T5U isn't an upgrade it's a greed and cash grab. The hybrid seat doesn't have to be used for pilot abilites if you don't like pilot stuff. You can still use it for it's main seat which on the bop and tvaro are universal. Tac if your fed. what's to not love here ?. People need to remember life outside a video game. chill out get laid, play with the family pet. Or omg go on a date something other then living in a pixelated world
Well, yeah nothing really stands out. Yet it's Defiant, Brel and T'varo. So it's a buy. I hope the pricing will be sensible lol...
They will be priced the same as all T6 ship bundles. 3000 zen each, 6000 zen for all three. Then you can pay for the ship modules for the fleet versions. but you COULD get those off the exchange.
Yeah, the OP whining and declaring the new Defiant a "total fail" for failing to have two features it was never going to have to begin with is pretty ridiculous.
And it was completely anticipated by many posters on the forums that such rage would happen.
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If you already own a T5 Defiant...
2.5/3k zen will be a charge for: Valiant model, +1 lt lvl boff slot, console which in order to utilize 2pc set needs to take two spaces (as the cloak does nothing as passive nor it is usable at all time). Semi useful improvement which comes from 2pc set can only be used with the 2pc set that needs already mentioned cloak (compare it to KDF or Rom equivalent set consoles, FED version is by far inferior). Hybrid lt com slot of pilot abilities. Trait
+Fleet module to make it Fleet variant.
Hmmm.....
3k zen Phantom - Special mechanics + hybrid (desired) seating + trait(superb) + cloak
+Fleet module to make it Fleet variant.
3k zen Pilot ship - Special mechanics + hybrid seating + trait comes in 3 variants
Already fleet quality.
If Defiant was not my Fav ship in the star trek universe I would NEVER buy that T6 Valiant thing. EVER.
Both Phantom and Pilot ships are far superior to this ship.
Why do I feel disgust and buyers remorse before even buying this???
I cant help myself I want this ship even though I know its a fail. Should I feel that way about the game item
Catch 22
I think I will stick to the T5-U until somebody will get some brains and fixes this fiasco.
The T6 defiant is anohter let down still no integrated cloak im not talking battle cloak just an integrated standard cloak but nope cryptc is still making people waste a console slot like always
Now to the T6 T'varo ..as a rom player that ship is an insult my fleet t'varo T5U is a far better ship why would i want to spend cash on ship just for a trait 3 tac consoles you kidding me? and it has 4 sci consoles wth is it a sci ship or an escort.
The 4/2 - 4/3 weapons thing isnt to big of a deal as is the pilot stuff there should be certain ships that do certain things other ships cant do.
It really comes down to are you the player willing to spend the cash to buy a ship that in one regard is inferior to its T5U counterpart ( Malem v T'Varo )
Or equal to the T5U counter part and the fleet is in some ways superior ( T5U BoP )
Or a ship that wastes a console slot on a device that should be integrated and the stats are overall underwhelming and in some regard inferior to or equal to the fleet T5U defiant.
I wont waste my money on these clunkers as it is my fleet T5U BoP is a better ship as is my fleet T5U T'Varo and ive got mates who are passing on the T6 Defiant because what they got is already eqaul to or better then the new shiney T6 defiant.
Thanks cryptic but not thanks i will pass
Not to mention, the former has a pretty good setup that could either get an LtC Sci or an Ensign Uni for it's 13th seat, and has the lovely Nadion Saturation Bomb for Phaser builds and the Tempest Tailgun.
The latter is a flat flying ray or spatula that is due for some 2400 loving and can work with Pilot abilities thanks to its T2 console granting a temporary buff to speed as an escape ability.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Somehow, that does not surprise me.
Where do people get that the T5U>T6 version of the same ship???
Fleet T5U B'Rel
Non-Fleet & Fleet T6
The trait is only from the T6 BOP.
More importantly, the T6 BOP is now 12 BOFF skill count, the same as the T5/T5U Fleet Norgh, compared to the 11 of the T5/T5U B'Rel or any other Non-Fleet Norgh BOP. The T5/T5U Fleet Norgh gets the full 12 Universal BOFF skill count but pays for it with -1 Console Slot.
For an FYI, this is also the official summary of what T5U exactly is compared to T6, because lots of people around here are utterly confused on what that is.
To put it bluntly, T5U in reality is T5.5. Then there's T6. T5U/T5.5 gives you SOME of the perks of T6 but not all. People paid for half an upgrade but now are crying you didn't get the FULL works of T6.
There are whole swathes of people out there in this game that have ZERO CLUE on what T5U is to T6. You guys are completely confused, completely misinformed out there.
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253
Why are you not rejoicing?
The history is there, you can already tell ahead of release what the stats are going to be by using the T5 as a Template. We'll see the exact same thing on the next release, the Sovereign. People will be asking for 12 weapons, a Commander Tactical, 8 Tactical Consoles and a hangar bay and then be disappointed to find it's an upgraded version of the Fleet Assault Cruiser refit with a specialist seat, a new console, and a trait.
The Defiant stats were exactly what I thought they would be including the trait.
Suddenly your favorite ship comes on and let's grab the pitchforks jump on the forums just because [self-entitled rant that has no logic].
When we complained about the Hestia, the pages of feedback had an actual basis for it: an attack ship with command seating (support function) that overlaps the only engineer seats and has no universal stations plus 3 ens tacs on an already tac-overloaded boff layout, nevermind my own annoyance at being forced to buy the T5 variant for the MVAM in an era of pet nerfs and pet fix-monetization, which I did and so sacrificing purchasing the Morrigu or Vastam. We don't all have kemo 1 whose drop rate rivals a lockbox ship.
The Devs considered the feedback, and gave us a uni ens instead of the tac ens.
The Devs considered the feedback regarding the Photons on this T6 Defiant, and gave us Quantums, not after the promo sale was already up, but immediately, even before the ship was put on sale.
The Devs gave us fun Pilot-class specialty ships, for all factions of all types in whatever bundle you could possibly ask for. They put effort in making real good looking specialty ships, and also remastering canon ship skins.
Put yourselves in a Devs shoes and for a split second look beyond your limited self-entitled perspectives then hop in here and start hammering away that the ship needs everything and evermore because [even more self-entitled rants that have no basis because I am the best who cares about the rest and everything].
I feel bad for replying to this topic keeping it on front page just one split second longer than it needs to be, but it also must be said: the Defiant rage was well predicted a long time ago, and here its, and it's even worse than those who predicted it.
Is this ship capable of doing 80k+ DPS with those stats? Yes, and this is more than enough for all the content, which means the ship is at the very least going to be competitive in all the content. So, I really don't understand why people are fussing over it just because it doesn't have +1 +1 +1 +1 status over every other ship in the game.
Looking at the stats of the other T6 ships compared to their T5 counterparts like the LRSV, Exploration Cruiser, etc, I am not at all surprised by the stats on this ship. I would've been extremely surprised if they would have made it OP. Having said that, the Starship Trait on the T6 Defiant looks very powerful and extremely useful for a CSV build.
You would buy this ship because you want to fly an improved and refitted Defiant, not because its the new #1 OP ship, and this is the way I think it, and all the other ships, are intended to be marketed. I really don't understand people's outrage over this.
Agreed. I main Fed and even I can't help but go "WTF" at this complaining. I mean they give us a nice ship and people are acting like its the end of the world.
Agreed. Seems like once again anything the Devs do just generates rage. They do what we want, we rage. They fix this, we rage. They nerf that that desperately needed a nerf, we rage.
I honestly wonder somedays why I visit General Discussion, and also wonder if General Discussion has any modes besides "Angry Mob".
I'm with you there hawkrunner. I don't understand either.
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well, guess ill wait to see what the t7 version looks like next year.
It could have been worse than the Kor.
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In DS9 episode 4x01-02 (The Way Of The Warrior) Sisko clearly requested activate the cloak during Defiant was under attack. So I made conclusion that Defiant has a BATTLE cloak.
I would have been ok with just one tweak to the ship and that would have been 5/2 weapons layout. All the other stats are fine. Cryptic would have had my money if that's the only change they did. Unfortunately they won't change that so I take my 30 dollars elsewhere.
As far as being a battle cloak: all cloaking devices had the capability of cloaking during combat... they just couldn't defend themselves or fight back when doing so (excepting the STVI prototype). In-game, that restriction was put in place, (guessing here) for game balance... In-universe, however, a cloak is a cloak is a cloak.
The bop looks pretty strong offering. Intel would have really made that ship an insane OP alpha striker. Even with a pilot seat that ships still set up pretty on alpha striking. Fly to the ships strengths not it's weaknesses.
the T6 T'varo I'm not gonna complain it got some flexible options. Not having five tac consoles isn't the end of the world. With half decent ship building skills you can make even a three tac console ship pump out plenty of dps if your chasing top deeps.
People whining over the 4/3 weapons loadout being hot garbage ? LOL !!!! riiiiiight.... anyone check the top leaderbords for dps lately ?... there several who have hit well past 150K dps parses in a Morrigu which is OMG a 4/3 layout for weapons. Seems to me that a 4/3 weapons load out isn't too shabby. Yes I have used an obvious extreme here. But this thread's QQ's been beyond over the top and rubbish.
Now if the dev's went all kdf and treated the T6 Defiant with the bop treatment of a weak hull , weak shields , raider flanking and NO cloak. and give it all universal seating and one less console. Then yeah the Feddie bears could whine and have something to really cry about.
I feel for the Dev's the level of fail and hate is laughably bad comedy. They delivered a series of ships that got the standerd T6 upgrade treatment. Anyone expecting pilot manouvers , 6/4 weapons and 10 tac consoles and most OP ship trait that would put supremacy to shame was really setting themselves up for some serious fail. The ships are upgrades over there T5 counterparts. T5U isn't an upgrade it's a greed and cash grab. The hybrid seat doesn't have to be used for pilot abilites if you don't like pilot stuff. You can still use it for it's main seat which on the bop and tvaro are universal. Tac if your fed. what's to not love here ?. People need to remember life outside a video game. chill out get laid, play with the family pet. Or omg go on a date something other then living in a pixelated world
They will be priced the same as all T6 ship bundles. 3000 zen each, 6000 zen for all three. Then you can pay for the ship modules for the fleet versions. but you COULD get those off the exchange.
And it was completely anticipated by many posters on the forums that such rage would happen.