- "4/3 weapons" (we want promo ship Annorax treatment of +1 fore weapon but for the price of a c-store canon-based ship; we want 5/2 because some escorts have it)
"Some escorts"? More like almost half of the T6 raiders/escorts in the game do. A 5/2 layout is not exactly rare anymore. We're well passed the days when the Bug Ship was the best ship in the game.
Fed T6 C-Store Escorts:
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If anything I would have wanted to see pilot maneuvers on the separated Hestia parts.
That would be kind of adorable. Your separated pets boosting left/right/forward/back like playful puppies chasing their master.
All I want for them to do though is Pilot Roll (T2 click skill) when I do a pilot roll. Let all of us pilot roll away after melting enemies with the Hestia console.
Again, we don't actually know that the second Defiant class 'USS Defiant' (formerly USS Sao Paulo) even had a cloak. There isn't really any reason to beleive that it did - the cloak was intended for Gamma Quadrant snooping and was likely destroyed with the first Defiant.
I'm not sure what reason the Romulans would have to give Starfleet a replacement by that point in the war, nor why Starfleet would even want one.
I think it was established that the second Defiant's cloak came from the Klingons, but TBH I don't remember.
Either way, the only Defiant-class ship with a cloak was the Sisko's USS Defiant. I think it's plenty well enough that Cryptic went as far as to allow all Defiants to use a cloak - yet again, there's crying for more.
Defiant not having a batllecloak is a slap in the face of fed players. No integrated one, but a 2 or 3pc set, thus sacrificiny alot for it. And is certainly not a big stretch as kdf having a Enhanced battle cloak for example. That enhanced battlecloak was lost more then a hundred years ago in star trek canon, yet you can allow that but not a battlecloak for a single ship in the entire fed pool of ships? Its more then ridiculous.
Whatever, anyway I think that the reason the quad cannons are not included in the set is cuz we may see a mirror defiant as some point so they save those for a set on that, like quads+console, to match the aggressive nature of the mirror universe.
Defiant not having a batllecloak is a slap in the face of fed players. No integrated one, but a 2 or 3pc set, thus sacrificiny alot for it. And is certainly not a big stretch as kdf having a Enhanced battle cloak for example. That enhanced battlecloak was lost more then a hundred years ago in star trek canon, yet you can allow that but not a battlecloak for a single ship in the entire fed pool of ships? Its more then ridiculous.
Whatever, anyway I think that the reason the quad cannons are not included in the set is cuz we may see a mirror defiant as some point so they save those for a set on that, like quads+console, to match the aggressive nature of the mirror universe.
Cloaking on Starfleet ships is an afterthought and not part of their concept. Only exception are the Intel ships and those aren't Starfleet (at least not of-the-line). If you want to use the cloak treat it as the Romulan loan the original Defiant had, your NPC allies cannot cloak which should illustrate that "integrating" the ability is not the right choice for this ship.
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They gave feds a free Defiant skin remaster, and instantly changed the Photon to Quantum torps even before the sale went live. I guess it's easier to "discuss" than to be informed.
A skin remaster was their way to try and heighten the hype of those that will get the valiant no matter what. As far as changing the torp console to quantum... really? You consider those two things to be a big deal? That does explain the tone and message in your posts though.
Defiant uses a romulan cloak... battle cloak? on the TV show. At the very least the cloak should of been built in if not an updated battle cloak console.
Defiant uses a romulan cloak... battle cloak? on the TV show. At the very least the cloak should of been built in if not an updated battle cloak console.
It used a simple cloak that was run by Romulans as part of the agreement between the two factions except for that one time that it was activated without a Romulan in control of the cloak.
It is not a standard equip in-series due to in-story circumstances surrounding it and does not get to be integrated in-game as a result.
Defiant not having a batllecloak is a slap in the face of fed players. No integrated one, but a 2 or 3pc set, thus sacrificiny alot for it. And is certainly not a big stretch as kdf having a Enhanced battle cloak for example. That enhanced battlecloak was lost more then a hundred years ago in star trek canon, yet you can allow that but not a battlecloak for a single ship in the entire fed pool of ships? Its more then ridiculous.
Whatever, anyway I think that the reason the quad cannons are not included in the set is cuz we may see a mirror defiant as some point so they save those for a set on that, like quads+console, to match the aggressive nature of the mirror universe.
Cloaking on Starfleet ships is an afterthought and not part of their concept. Only exception are the Intel ships and those aren't Starfleet (at least not of-the-line). If you want to use the cloak treat it as the Romulan loan the original Defiant had, your NPC allies cannot cloak which should illustrate that "integrating" the ability is not the right choice for this ship.
Hmm, sry I shouldve explained it better, but english is not my 1st language. I didnt want to say an integrated battlecloak, but one that would modify the cloak console at the expense of other console, as in ability gained from a 2-3 console piece, like the voth battlecloak. Also, it seems (and i cant say more), that both NPC allies and mirror defiants HAVE a cloak, but becouse you allways meet them in-combat, and becouse of their "smart" AI, they never use it. If they want to use it, they cant since it requires out-of-combat status. And in out-of-combat status they see no reason to do it.
Then also your reasoning can be said about the enhanced battle cloak too. Its was an afterthought or better said an experiment and not part of their concept. In fact, the original script was that the bop in question was stolen from romulans and wasnt even klingon.
That enhanced battlecloak was lost more then a hundred years ago in star trek canon, yet you can allow that but not a battlecloak for a single ship in the entire fed pool of ships? Its more then ridiculous.
Yes, I hope in the new TV series this will be revised. Seeing nowdays every fighter jet US army puts out is stealth capable. Even UAVs are low radar detection capable.
And when you are surrounded by absolute hostile powers like Romulans and Klingons, not mentioning Dominion and other fascist powers, it's just natural to develop stealth ships. Treaty or not.
I actually love the bridge officer layout of the ship, the revamped model in all the screen shots I've seen are amazing. I would have loved to have the pilot twitch based flying rolls and speed, since the defiant actually did these things on tv.
I never thought the ship should have an integrated cloak. While I do think the cloak should be a device and not take up a console slot, there is no evidence that any defiant class ship had a cloak other than the original one. The trade off for this should be increased hull over the other faction's versions of the ship. The federation always overbuilt ships with a tremendous amount of redundancy systems, and the defiant pioneered the use of ablative armor.
I am disappointed in the trait on the ship, the increased cannon spray would have been great, with an increased science slot ability on the ship, the trait should have been increasing the timer on all cannon abilities.
The 2pc set bonus is meh, While I like the console on the ship, can't wait to see if it has a firing arc,is it a 360 degree weapon, the fact that the quads were left out is disappointing. These are the iconic weapons of the Defiant class ship. The torpedo console should help the dps on the ship and add to the iconic look of the ship firing torpedo salvos.
The lack of the 5/2 weapon setup on the ship is what bothers me the most. The ship was originally designed as a pure war ship, the revamped one is also a pure war ship. The newest weapon and technology designs would have been included, and that would have included a 5/2 weapon slot.
I would love to see a dev blog on the design process on the ship, the art is great, and most of the ship is fine, but there are a few serious tweaks that the ship needs to set it apart from the T5 fleet version of the ship.
Enough with the "canon" arguments about the cloak. On-screen content has been long since abandoned as a strict guideline for ship building in this game. That by itself is wholly inadequate as an argument against an integrated cloak.
Enough with the "canon" arguments about the cloak. On-screen content has been long since abandoned as a strict guideline for ship building in this game. That by itself is wholly inadequate as an argument against an integrated cloak.
Deal, but then people should also stop putting it forward as an argument for pilot abilities because "the Defiant did it all of the time".
Feds not having a battle cloak all over their fleet makes sense gameplay wise though. There should be differences in ship design between the factions, and not only "KDF version has 5% more hull, Feds have 5% more shield, rest the same".
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An iconic name and an updated classic skin to sell it to the majority who won't care about things like stats and just want to play their favorite ship. Period.
It ain't even that the stats are bad. It's "a few percent worse than what I consider top of the line". The difference between a pilot escort, a Phantom and a Valiant really isn't large enough to cover for players' skill disparities. Maybe you can finish a queue 3 seconds faster with the better one.
So I'd put that as "the majority who won't care about the 3rd digit of the stats as long as they're having fun"
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Enough with the "canon" arguments about the cloak. On-screen content has been long since abandoned as a strict guideline for ship building in this game. That by itself is wholly inadequate as an argument against an integrated cloak.
If that was the case we would have all been good little consumers enjoying the PHOTON torpedo console... instead of crying to hell and back for a Quantum Torpedo console because we saw Quantums on-screen.
Not to mention, they would have also ignored updating the skins to match what was on-screen.
And even if we're going off-screen stuff, the Defiant-class still didn't have a cloak as standard. The Defiant itself was a special exception for political reasons. Therefore, there is no reason why it SHOULD be integrated by default. It always was just a one-off, and for the players in-game, lets them be the ones in command of the special snowflake variant capable of using a cloak console for whatever RP'd reason. And if anything else, the Defiants were built as straight escorts. Nothing fancy except big guns and reasonable armor.
Problem is, the 2-pc set doesn't cater to what should have been the Defiant's strongpoint, which is its armaments or in the case of the Defiant, Ablative Armor. Even if it just granted an upgraded take of the Ablative Armor click-ability, it would help some. Or reducing the damage penalties of cannons at range so that the Defiant would be an ideal cannon boat.
C-Store Defiant not keeping up with the T6 lobi and lockbox ships. The outrage.
A Baltrim is selling for 160 million right now. I could cash in 3000 zen worth of keys and be within spitting distance of one.
Your 3K Zen should net 128M EC at the moment, 32M short, all assuming key prices stay so high, enough people invest their lobi for EC to post the ship, and supply is high enough to keep exchange costs so very low.
153 lockboxes opened @ observed avg drop rates of 5.875 for 900 lobi equals
17,212 Zen regular price which is > 3,500 zen reg price Defiant by exactly 13,712 zen.
The Hows and Whys of ships being sold so low is another discussion altogether, but suffice to say 900 lobi > 3.5K Zen, and is completely irrelevant to why Cryptic designed & specialty ship classes are made superior to other canon ship releases such as the Defiant.
That enhanced battlecloak was lost more then a hundred years ago in star trek canon, yet you can allow that but not a battlecloak for a single ship in the entire fed pool of ships? Its more then ridiculous.
Yes, I hope in the new TV series this will be revised. Seeing nowdays every fighter jet US army puts out is stealth capable. Even UAVs are low radar detection capable.
And when you are surrounded by absolute hostile powers like Romulans and Klingons, not mentioning Dominion and other fascist powers, it's just natural to develop stealth ships. Treaty or not.
Or you don't, because you're morally superior to them and know you can only work your diplomacy magic if people trust you enough.
And it would end up being incredibly boring - the hero ship constantly invisible to everyone because there could be an evil-fascist attacker just waiting in hiding to strike at you.
Cloak works best when you keep it rare, like giving it to some antagonists (and not even all). The Borg, Breen, Tholian and Dominion didn't cloak, either.
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I called it. I knew it was doubtful that they would extend the Pilot Maneuvers mechanic to more ships because they didn't extend Inspiration either. If they were going to, the Iconic Cruiser bundle would have been a good time to do it.
It does seem a waste to invent a new space mechanic that only applies to a handful of ships, but there you go. Cryptic hasn't broken form to do something completely unexpected and potentially mess up the Valiant by making the ship weaker in order to compensate for these other abilities.
I want both the Valiant and the BoP (sorry, forgetting the name for the moment) and I'll take the warbird in the bundle. The ships do get Pilot BOFF seating, so even if we don't get the movement mechanic we'll still be able to take advantage of some of the Pilot abilities. I'll live with any disappointment I might feel over not being able to play around with Pilot Maneuvers on a Valiant.
Therefore, there is no reason why it SHOULD be integrated by default.
The reason is that it is becoming the standard practice for any new Fed ship classes that cloak. The argument that the original Defiant had a one-off loaner console installed only held water until the Defiant spaceframe was replaced by Sao Paolo and then Valiant. These are not Defiants, technically, and therefore not subject to those limitations.
As integrated cloaks are not new to the 2400s Federation shipyards, it would not be some newly-emergant outrage to install them in your new-model tactical escorts, nor is it reasonable to use this one ship as the benchmark for measuring whether the distinction between Fed/KDF/Rom has been diluted too much. The fact that it isn't a battle cloak should be more than enough to placate those who derive satisfaction from having some "thing" that others cannot.
I'm kind of hoping they eventually come out with a Pilot Raider 3-pack. Loosely based off of the Aquarius, Ning'Tao, and T'liss without actually being the Aquarius, Ning'Tao, and T'liss (visual-wise, the way the Pilot Escorts loosely echo the Defiant).
The Not-Aquarius would be a heavy raider, the Not-Ning'Tao the lightest (sneeze on it and it explodes) but fastest and stealthiest raider, and the Not-T'liss the stealthiest raider.
Or failing that, a Pilot Destroyer 3-pack.
Mainly to spite some players but also to make use of the Specialist Pilot Maneuvers one more time before moving on to the next Specialization.
Same thing should be done for the Command Inspiration; probably Command Carriers or Command Destroyers.
For Intel:
- The KDF and Romulans need their rough Sci equivalent of Scryer; Gorn and Romulan styling.
- KDF needs their rough BoP equivalent of Phantom/Faeht (I choose BoP rather than Raptor just because Ning'Tao with more TronIntel skin styling would plenty suffice for a design)
- Romulans need their rough cruiser equivalent of Eclipse (Reman-style would work; they produce flat and angular designs)
No pilot mechanics or even a battle cloak with a 4/3 weapon layout? I was completely looking forward to dropping cash on this ship and now it's another swing and a miss from Cryptic. You guys are wasting Thomas's time designing new ship models.
If you were seriously and honestly expecting Pilot Maneuvers and a 5/2 weapons layout from any Tactical Escort yet, you have no idea how these T6 ship releases work. Very unrealistic expectations. We've been in the same routine since Delta Rising, and the patterns in T6 ships have in no way suggested anything in these ridiculous expectations.
No pilot mechanics or even a battle cloak with a 4/3 weapon layout? I was completely looking forward to dropping cash on this ship and now it's another swing and a miss from Cryptic. You guys are wasting Thomas's time designing new ship models.
the ship design is fugly anyway. i wouldnt go near it even if it was the last thing on the z-store left.
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The reason is that it is becoming the standard practice for any new Fed ship classes that cloak.
I may miss something here, but what are these "all new Fed shipclasses that cloak and have pilot abilities"?
I was speaking only of the cloak. How many new ships from the 2400s must be released with integrated cloaks before we dispense with the misconception that the technology has no place in Starfleet?
No pilot mechanics or even a battle cloak with a 4/3 weapon layout? I was completely looking forward to dropping cash on this ship and now it's another swing and a miss from Cryptic. You guys are wasting Thomas's time designing new ship models.
the ship design is fugly anyway. i wouldnt go near it even if it was the last thing on the z-store left.
i agree but at least u can use the Cannon skin on it.
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C-Store Defiant not keeping up with the T6 lobi and lockbox ships. The outrage.
A Baltrim is selling for 160 million right now. I could cash in 3000 zen worth of keys and be within spitting distance of one.
That would be kind of adorable. Your separated pets boosting left/right/forward/back like playful puppies chasing their master.
All I want for them to do though is Pilot Roll (T2 click skill) when I do a pilot roll. Let all of us pilot roll away after melting enemies with the Hestia console.
Defiant not having a batllecloak is a slap in the face of fed players. No integrated one, but a 2 or 3pc set, thus sacrificiny alot for it. And is certainly not a big stretch as kdf having a Enhanced battle cloak for example. That enhanced battlecloak was lost more then a hundred years ago in star trek canon, yet you can allow that but not a battlecloak for a single ship in the entire fed pool of ships? Its more then ridiculous.
Whatever, anyway I think that the reason the quad cannons are not included in the set is cuz we may see a mirror defiant as some point so they save those for a set on that, like quads+console, to match the aggressive nature of the mirror universe.
Cloaking on Starfleet ships is an afterthought and not part of their concept. Only exception are the Intel ships and those aren't Starfleet (at least not of-the-line). If you want to use the cloak treat it as the Romulan loan the original Defiant had, your NPC allies cannot cloak which should illustrate that "integrating" the ability is not the right choice for this ship.
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A skin remaster was their way to try and heighten the hype of those that will get the valiant no matter what. As far as changing the torp console to quantum... really? You consider those two things to be a big deal? That does explain the tone and message in your posts though.
It used a simple cloak that was run by Romulans as part of the agreement between the two factions except for that one time that it was activated without a Romulan in control of the cloak.
It is not a standard equip in-series due to in-story circumstances surrounding it and does not get to be integrated in-game as a result.
Hmm, sry I shouldve explained it better, but english is not my 1st language. I didnt want to say an integrated battlecloak, but one that would modify the cloak console at the expense of other console, as in ability gained from a 2-3 console piece, like the voth battlecloak. Also, it seems (and i cant say more), that both NPC allies and mirror defiants HAVE a cloak, but becouse you allways meet them in-combat, and becouse of their "smart" AI, they never use it. If they want to use it, they cant since it requires out-of-combat status. And in out-of-combat status they see no reason to do it.
Then also your reasoning can be said about the enhanced battle cloak too. Its was an afterthought or better said an experiment and not part of their concept. In fact, the original script was that the bop in question was stolen from romulans and wasnt even klingon.
Yes, I hope in the new TV series this will be revised. Seeing nowdays every fighter jet US army puts out is stealth capable. Even UAVs are low radar detection capable.
And when you are surrounded by absolute hostile powers like Romulans and Klingons, not mentioning Dominion and other fascist powers, it's just natural to develop stealth ships. Treaty or not.
I never thought the ship should have an integrated cloak. While I do think the cloak should be a device and not take up a console slot, there is no evidence that any defiant class ship had a cloak other than the original one. The trade off for this should be increased hull over the other faction's versions of the ship. The federation always overbuilt ships with a tremendous amount of redundancy systems, and the defiant pioneered the use of ablative armor.
I am disappointed in the trait on the ship, the increased cannon spray would have been great, with an increased science slot ability on the ship, the trait should have been increasing the timer on all cannon abilities.
The 2pc set bonus is meh, While I like the console on the ship, can't wait to see if it has a firing arc,is it a 360 degree weapon, the fact that the quads were left out is disappointing. These are the iconic weapons of the Defiant class ship. The torpedo console should help the dps on the ship and add to the iconic look of the ship firing torpedo salvos.
The lack of the 5/2 weapon setup on the ship is what bothers me the most. The ship was originally designed as a pure war ship, the revamped one is also a pure war ship. The newest weapon and technology designs would have been included, and that would have included a 5/2 weapon slot.
I would love to see a dev blog on the design process on the ship, the art is great, and most of the ship is fine, but there are a few serious tweaks that the ship needs to set it apart from the T5 fleet version of the ship.
Deal, but then people should also stop putting it forward as an argument for pilot abilities because "the Defiant did it all of the time".
Feds not having a battle cloak all over their fleet makes sense gameplay wise though. There should be differences in ship design between the factions, and not only "KDF version has 5% more hull, Feds have 5% more shield, rest the same".
It ain't even that the stats are bad. It's "a few percent worse than what I consider top of the line". The difference between a pilot escort, a Phantom and a Valiant really isn't large enough to cover for players' skill disparities. Maybe you can finish a queue 3 seconds faster with the better one.
So I'd put that as "the majority who won't care about the 3rd digit of the stats as long as they're having fun"
If that was the case we would have all been good little consumers enjoying the PHOTON torpedo console... instead of crying to hell and back for a Quantum Torpedo console because we saw Quantums on-screen.
Not to mention, they would have also ignored updating the skins to match what was on-screen.
And even if we're going off-screen stuff, the Defiant-class still didn't have a cloak as standard. The Defiant itself was a special exception for political reasons. Therefore, there is no reason why it SHOULD be integrated by default. It always was just a one-off, and for the players in-game, lets them be the ones in command of the special snowflake variant capable of using a cloak console for whatever RP'd reason. And if anything else, the Defiants were built as straight escorts. Nothing fancy except big guns and reasonable armor.
Problem is, the 2-pc set doesn't cater to what should have been the Defiant's strongpoint, which is its armaments or in the case of the Defiant, Ablative Armor. Even if it just granted an upgraded take of the Ablative Armor click-ability, it would help some. Or reducing the damage penalties of cannons at range so that the Defiant would be an ideal cannon boat.
Your 3K Zen should net 128M EC at the moment, 32M short, all assuming key prices stay so high, enough people invest their lobi for EC to post the ship, and supply is high enough to keep exchange costs so very low.
153 lockboxes opened @ observed avg drop rates of 5.875 for 900 lobi equals
17,212 Zen regular price which is > 3,500 zen reg price Defiant by exactly 13,712 zen.
The Hows and Whys of ships being sold so low is another discussion altogether, but suffice to say 900 lobi > 3.5K Zen, and is completely irrelevant to why Cryptic designed & specialty ship classes are made superior to other canon ship releases such as the Defiant.
Actually.... Uni commander on a ship that can use pilot powers rocks. The Rom one only has LtC Uni/Pilot.
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And it would end up being incredibly boring - the hero ship constantly invisible to everyone because there could be an evil-fascist attacker just waiting in hiding to strike at you.
Cloak works best when you keep it rare, like giving it to some antagonists (and not even all). The Borg, Breen, Tholian and Dominion didn't cloak, either.
It does seem a waste to invent a new space mechanic that only applies to a handful of ships, but there you go. Cryptic hasn't broken form to do something completely unexpected and potentially mess up the Valiant by making the ship weaker in order to compensate for these other abilities.
I want both the Valiant and the BoP (sorry, forgetting the name for the moment) and I'll take the warbird in the bundle. The ships do get Pilot BOFF seating, so even if we don't get the movement mechanic we'll still be able to take advantage of some of the Pilot abilities. I'll live with any disappointment I might feel over not being able to play around with Pilot Maneuvers on a Valiant.
The reason is that it is becoming the standard practice for any new Fed ship classes that cloak. The argument that the original Defiant had a one-off loaner console installed only held water until the Defiant spaceframe was replaced by Sao Paolo and then Valiant. These are not Defiants, technically, and therefore not subject to those limitations.
As integrated cloaks are not new to the 2400s Federation shipyards, it would not be some newly-emergant outrage to install them in your new-model tactical escorts, nor is it reasonable to use this one ship as the benchmark for measuring whether the distinction between Fed/KDF/Rom has been diluted too much. The fact that it isn't a battle cloak should be more than enough to placate those who derive satisfaction from having some "thing" that others cannot.
The Not-Aquarius would be a heavy raider, the Not-Ning'Tao the lightest (sneeze on it and it explodes) but fastest and stealthiest raider, and the Not-T'liss the stealthiest raider.
Or failing that, a Pilot Destroyer 3-pack.
Mainly to spite some players but also to make use of the Specialist Pilot Maneuvers one more time before moving on to the next Specialization.
Same thing should be done for the Command Inspiration; probably Command Carriers or Command Destroyers.
For Intel:
- The KDF and Romulans need their rough Sci equivalent of Scryer; Gorn and Romulan styling.
- KDF needs their rough BoP equivalent of Phantom/Faeht (I choose BoP rather than Raptor just because Ning'Tao with more TronIntel skin styling would plenty suffice for a design)
- Romulans need their rough cruiser equivalent of Eclipse (Reman-style would work; they produce flat and angular designs)
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the ship design is fugly anyway. i wouldnt go near it even if it was the last thing on the z-store left.
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I may miss something here, but what are these "all new Fed shipclasses that cloak and have pilot abilities"?
and i want my T6 Avenger to have integrated cloack and gather intel abilities ... it has lt. cmd intel ...
I was speaking only of the cloak. How many new ships from the 2400s must be released with integrated cloaks before we dispense with the misconception that the technology has no place in Starfleet?
i agree but at least u can use the Cannon skin on it.
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