So, in terms of the thread title, it would seem that those who didn't purchase the Valiant think it is fail, whilst those who did purchase it know that its actually pretty darn kick***.
Some who have purchased the T6 will disagree, especially when comparing it to the T5-U.
Okay - you're going to have to elaborate on that, because so far as I am concerned the T5-U version lacked the flexibility of the T6 version.
We did on The SHOW titled "Dem Ships!". As far as flexibility is concerned, yes, the Lt Uni is more flexible compared to Ens Tac, but I argued that the slot could have been served better for the Valiant in the Eng BOff, providing it more strength either offensively or defensively vs the Lt. Uni.
Changing the Ens Tac to Ens Uni and Lt Eng to Lt.Cmdr Eng would have been better, imho. I also stated that the Pilot seating could have been changed to Universal, which would allow for greater flexibility on ships of this type, and greater sales. These Escorts are touted as versatile ships that packed a punch, and there's canon to support that for both the Defiant and Bird of Prey class of ships.
EDIT: Linked the episode stated and added additional info.
Agreed. It's sad really; lets face it, the T6 Defiant was never going to live up to pipe dreams and unrealistic expectations of some players.
I predict that the eventual T6 Sovereign wil suffer the same.
How quickly we forget that, when Cryptic made that statement, the fora errupted with anger over the supposed power creep of OP T6's destroying our T5's. And now power creep is exactly what players are demanding
Im calling Bull Sh?t . The defiant has so many fails with it.And you guys are saying it's great .....What ever.Trolls quit trolling the forms we are trying to get the ship fixed . And ill say it again the Phanton and Pilot ship would smoke it easy ..If you can't tell that from stats your a nuub or a troll probley both for buying the ship .The klingon and romulan 's version are solid . the Defiant ..no not even close.
Now, I don't deny, he probably could have done even better in a Pilot Ship or a Phantom, but even though the Defiant is a step behind, lets not pretend it's obsolete and can't compete ok?
Take a breath, and present your argument like an adult. The Defiant could use some slight tweaks, but it doesn't need a complete ground up revamp.
I can only speak for myself in terms of T6 Defiant expectations.. Did I expect a set bonus? I actually didnt, I typically don't rely on that too much due to my mix and match console setup for "min max" reasons, I was very surprised that the Pilot escorts got the cannon buff instead though.
Did I expect an integrated cloak? I was hoping for something considering the nature of the Tactical Escort being a "glass cannon". A 5/2 or even 5/1 setup would have also been nice, again given the Defiant's nature. The ship's status in and out of canon paints it at being a beast, an A-10 Warthog in nature being that it was a powerful gun with wings and an engine slapped on it.
I think this is why people had high expectations for it. I wasn't expecting something like the Scimitar, but I was expecting what I stated before, a gun with wings and an engine and nothing else.
In terms of Cryptics statements about the T5 and T6 comparisons, we were at the T5 juncture for longer than I believe we should have been. In every other MMO there is always that type of progression, where your top gear is outpaced with the next major update. I always took their statement as being "Dont worry, you can still play the game with T5U ships and be effective" and of course you should be.. But there was absolutely no doubt in my mind that stuff coming down the pipe is better, faster, stronger.. Its just the way of things, and I'm sorry but if anyone thought to the contrary they are living in a different world.
Power creep happens, as its meant to. You need more powerful items to fight more powerful foes.. I think the term has been misconstrued to mean something negative in my opinion.
Again this isnt me attempting a flame war or anything, but it's what I expected.
I can only speak for myself in terms of T6 Defiant expectations.. Did I expect a set bonus? I actually didnt, I typically don't rely on that too much due to my mix and match console setup for "min max" reasons, I was very surprised that the Pilot escorts got the cannon buff instead though.
Did I expect an integrated cloak? I was hoping for something considering the nature of the Tactical Escort being a "glass cannon". A 5/2 or even 5/1 setup would have also been nice, again given the Defiant's nature. The ship's status in and out of canon paints it at being a beast, an A-10 Warthog in nature being that it was a powerful gun with wings and an engine slapped on it.
I think this is why people had high expectations for it. I wasn't expecting something like the Scimitar, but I was expecting what I stated before, a gun with wings and an engine and nothing else.
In terms of Cryptics statements about the T5 and T6 comparisons, we were at the T5 juncture for longer than I believe we should have been. In every other MMO there is always that type of progression, where your top gear is outpaced with the next major update. I always took their statement as being "Dont worry, you can still play the game with T5U ships and be effective" and of course you should be.. But there was absolutely no doubt in my mind that stuff coming down the pipe is better, faster, stronger.. Its just the way of things, and I'm sorry but if anyone thought to the contrary they are living in a different world.
Power creep happens, as its meant to. You need more powerful items to fight more powerful foes.. I think the term has been misconstrued to mean something negative in my opinion.
Again this isnt me attempting a flame war or anything, but it's what I expected.
So, in terms of the thread title, it would seem that those who didn't purchase the Valiant think it is fail, whilst those who did purchase it know that its actually pretty darn kick***.
Some who have purchased the T6 will disagree, especially when comparing it to the T5-U.
Okay - you're going to have to elaborate on that, because so far as I am concerned the T5-U version lacked the flexibility of the T6 version.
We did on The SHOW titled "Dem Ships!". As far as flexibility is concerned, yes, the Lt Uni is more flexible compared to Ens Tac, but I argued that the slot could have been served better for the Valiant in the Eng BOff, providing it more strength either offensively or defensively vs the Lt. Uni.
Changing the Ens Tac to Ens Uni and Lt Eng to Lt.Cmdr Eng would have been better, imho. I also stated that the Pilot seating could have been changed to Universal, which would allow for greater flexibility on ships of this type, and greater sales. These Escorts are touted as versatile ships that packed a punch, and there's canon to support that for both the Defiant and Bird of Prey class of ships.
EDIT: Linked the episode stated and added additional info.
Agreed. It's sad really; lets face it, the T6 Defiant was never going to live up to pipe dreams and unrealistic expectations of some players.
I predict that the eventual T6 Sovereign wil suffer the same.
Was it really too much to ask for a ship that is as good as current top performers ? Not many people asked for something *better* than the pilot escorts. But it should not be that much inferior either.
@ integral cloak: only one ship of the class had one, and that one was destroyed with the original Defiant. Not even the Defiant "A" had it. So yeah, the cloak shouldn't be built in.
Setbonus is ok. I just wish we had more diversity between the Kor and Valiant. The trait of the Kor should cover cannon rapid fire instead of scatter volley. And then put them in a lockbox, so we can have both for our cannon ships.
One of the ideas I like best are integral cannons as 5th forward weapon. The Valiant should have them, and the Kor, too. Heavy wing cannons, Kumari style. I mean if one Star Trek ship should have heavy wing cannons, it's a bird of prey !
Agreed. It's sad really; lets face it, the T6 Defiant was never going to live up to pipe dreams and unrealistic expectations of some players.
I predict that the eventual T6 Sovereign wil suffer the same.
Was it really too much to ask for a ship that is as good as current top performers ?
Given the circumstances? yes. but even then the difference is not that great.
So, in terms of the thread title, it would seem that those who didn't purchase the Valiant think it is fail, whilst those who did purchase it know that its actually pretty darn kick***.
Some who have purchased the T6 will disagree, especially when comparing it to the T5-U.
Okay - you're going to have to elaborate on that, because so far as I am concerned the T5-U version lacked the flexibility of the T6 version.
We did on The SHOW titled "Dem Ships!". As far as flexibility is concerned, yes, the Lt Uni is more flexible compared to Ens Tac, but I argued that the slot could have been served better for the Valiant in the Eng BOff, providing it more strength either offensively or defensively vs the Lt. Uni.
Changing the Ens Tac to Ens Uni and Lt Eng to Lt.Cmdr Eng would have been better, imho. I also stated that the Pilot seating could have been changed to Universal, which would allow for greater flexibility on ships of this type, and greater sales. These Escorts are touted as versatile ships that packed a punch, and there's canon to support that for both the Defiant and Bird of Prey class of ships.
EDIT: Linked the episode stated and added additional info.
We already have escorts with Lt.Cmdr Science and Lt.Cmdr Engineerings as 2nd Lt.Cmdrs. Giving the Defiant something like that is just a rehash of a ship we already have.
Lt. Universal and a Lt.Cmdr Tactical is actually something new. IIRC, the Defiant turn rate exceeds that of the other the Tier 6 Retrofits.
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We already have escorts with Lt.Cmdr Science and Lt.Cmdr Engineerings as 2nd Lt.Cmdrs. Giving the Defiant something like that is just a rehash of a ship we already have.
Lt. Universal and a Lt.Cmdr Tactical is actually something new. IIRC, the Defiant turn rate exceeds that of the other the Tier 6 Retrofits.
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We did on The SHOW titled "Dem Ships!". As far as flexibility is concerned, yes, the Lt Uni is more flexible compared to Ens Tac, but I argued that the slot could have been served better for the Valiant in the Eng BOff, providing it more strength either offensively or defensively vs the Lt. Uni.
Changing the Ens Tac to Ens Uni and Lt Eng to Lt.Cmdr Eng would have been better, imho. I also stated that the Pilot seating could have been changed to Universal, which would allow for greater flexibility on ships of this type, and greater sales. These Escorts are touted as versatile ships that packed a punch, and there's canon to support that for both the Defiant and Bird of Prey class of ships.
EDIT: Linked the episode stated and added additional info.
Fleet Defiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support | Fleet Manticore Kinetic Strike Ship | Tactical Command Kinetic Siege Refit | Fleet Defiant Quantum Phase Escort | Fleet Valiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support
Turning the Galaxy-X into a Torpedo Dreadnought & torpedo tutorial, with written torpedo guide.
"A good weapon and a great strategy will win you many battles." - Marshall
I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.
So true.
Tell you what..
Watch this video of a player pulling 107k in a Cannon/Torp Build T6 Defiant and then tell me again how the ship can't possibly be used effectively.
Now, I don't deny, he probably could have done even better in a Pilot Ship or a Phantom, but even though the Defiant is a step behind, lets not pretend it's obsolete and can't compete ok?
Take a breath, and present your argument like an adult. The Defiant could use some slight tweaks, but it doesn't need a complete ground up revamp.
Did I expect an integrated cloak? I was hoping for something considering the nature of the Tactical Escort being a "glass cannon". A 5/2 or even 5/1 setup would have also been nice, again given the Defiant's nature. The ship's status in and out of canon paints it at being a beast, an A-10 Warthog in nature being that it was a powerful gun with wings and an engine slapped on it.
I think this is why people had high expectations for it. I wasn't expecting something like the Scimitar, but I was expecting what I stated before, a gun with wings and an engine and nothing else.
In terms of Cryptics statements about the T5 and T6 comparisons, we were at the T5 juncture for longer than I believe we should have been. In every other MMO there is always that type of progression, where your top gear is outpaced with the next major update. I always took their statement as being "Dont worry, you can still play the game with T5U ships and be effective" and of course you should be.. But there was absolutely no doubt in my mind that stuff coming down the pipe is better, faster, stronger.. Its just the way of things, and I'm sorry but if anyone thought to the contrary they are living in a different world.
Power creep happens, as its meant to. You need more powerful items to fight more powerful foes.. I think the term has been misconstrued to mean something negative in my opinion.
Again this isnt me attempting a flame war or anything, but it's what I expected.
Thank you for your thoughts!
Fleet Defiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support | Fleet Manticore Kinetic Strike Ship | Tactical Command Kinetic Siege Refit | Fleet Defiant Quantum Phase Escort | Fleet Valiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support
Turning the Galaxy-X into a Torpedo Dreadnought & torpedo tutorial, with written torpedo guide.
"A good weapon and a great strategy will win you many battles." - Marshall
I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.
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Was it really too much to ask for a ship that is as good as current top performers ? Not many people asked for something *better* than the pilot escorts. But it should not be that much inferior either.
@ integral cloak: only one ship of the class had one, and that one was destroyed with the original Defiant. Not even the Defiant "A" had it. So yeah, the cloak shouldn't be built in.
Setbonus is ok. I just wish we had more diversity between the Kor and Valiant. The trait of the Kor should cover cannon rapid fire instead of scatter volley. And then put them in a lockbox, so we can have both for our cannon ships.
One of the ideas I like best are integral cannons as 5th forward weapon. The Valiant should have them, and the Kor, too. Heavy wing cannons, Kumari style. I mean if one Star Trek ship should have heavy wing cannons, it's a bird of prey !
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Fleet Defiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support | Fleet Manticore Kinetic Strike Ship | Tactical Command Kinetic Siege Refit | Fleet Defiant Quantum Phase Escort | Fleet Valiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support
Turning the Galaxy-X into a Torpedo Dreadnought & torpedo tutorial, with written torpedo guide.
"A good weapon and a great strategy will win you many battles." - Marshall
I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.
Lt. Universal and a Lt.Cmdr Tactical is actually something new. IIRC, the Defiant turn rate exceeds that of the other the Tier 6 Retrofits.
The Valiant is a poor rehash of the Phantom.