Did you know that the warp plasma ejected from your ship are pheromones released from the bleaching process to create white orion females? Well now you do!
You can't put bird beaks on klingons, or put andorian antenna on ferengi, or put ferengi ears on a human, why should characters created as Orions have non-orion features?
Just use the Alien creator to make your hybrids/whatevers. It's what it's there for.
Being green is what makes orions orions. They were people wearing green makeup, that's their defining physical characteristic.
Make Orions Green
Because Reasons.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
"green" is a broad term really, I'm fine with the choices atm.
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
How's my Gorn, you better stay away if you're an android!
And my human, I feel he represents me IRL exactly.
I 'm fine with all of that. Are you enjoying YOUR new characters? That is the whole point in my opinion. If others don't like your characters, don't stoop to being rude. If others are rude to you, just ignore them.
I am curious for the back story. Did your crew of new toons all learn the Antosian shape changing ability, like Garth did? Or was it an augment virus? I won't contradict you in your choice either way, after all, it's your toon, and your choice of what fan-fic to go with it.
SO how many Orions did we see in all the Shows?
Maybe 1-2 dozen or a few more? Who says that all Orions are green just because we have seen a few?
Until Voyager we could say that all Vulcans have pale skin and then we saw Tuvok, a Vulcan with dark skin.
You just assume all Orions are green because the few we have seen are green. That would be the same as if Aliens , landing in Scandinavia , would assume that all Humans have pale skin because all people they saw had pale skin.
So
Point is that you claim that all Orions have green skin, but you have nothing to prove that, nothing to back it up. There is a chance, and its not small, that Orions also have different skin Colors, like Vulcans and Humans, or that there are Subspecies
( Not only Skincolor but also about clothes. Don't like pale orions, don't create one. Don't like skimpy clothes? Don't wear them. But don't say what others should be able to do/wear.)
About the "sad attempt to undress your species":
Freedom of choice. And not everyone, not every country, has the same "moral" standards so something that is inappropriate for someone can be totally normal for others. Nothing wrong with that. Thats why we have the options to customize OUR Avatars.
If Person A doesn't like Pale Orions in Bikinis, no one will ever force him/her to create one but Person A also should not have the right to say what other players should be allowed to wear, what their avatars should look like.
Why is it so often the same discussion " I don't want/like things so no one else should like them, no one should have them, Cryptic remove those things"
Thats just nonsense. Create YOUR Avatar/Char/Toon and play the way you want and let everyone else play the game how they want.
My Orion Boff wants to know if your in a Fleet yet
All kidding aside, that was awesome, and genuinely logical.
Edit: Hmm, this repetitive discussion makes me wonder if the point isn't an earnest desire to discuss customization options but instead parhaps an attempt to bait an argument? Or perhaps I'm drinking too much coffee...
You can't prove an absence. The burden, thus is on you. If non-green Orions exist you should be able to provide proof since, you know, they exist and thus you can point them out. Except... you can't. Can you?
Using your argument that an absence of proof makes it valid, well... there's no proof that aren't some vulans who are red-skinned, forty feet tall and shoot lasers out of their butts. Where's my option for that?
There's your proof. Star Trek: The Animated Series is considered canon. NEXT!
And using the animated series as a reference, there is at least one giant Vulcan. A clone of Spock! Where is the emoticon for ROFLOL ???
I'm pretty sure the ability to create Orions that look like half-naked humans was a deliberate choice to get people to play Klingon-side. It's a feature, not a bug.
So open up metal bikinis to everyone on the KDF. Make it no different than furry sleeves or shoulder pads, make them KDF-specific, but species-agnostic. If that's the goal it would work even better than pink Orions...
Yeah! Bikinis for the Klingon babes! That way when I get head-butted by one it will have been all worth it!
Seriously though, I am for expanding all costume options across all factions as widely as possible. So sure, why not bikinis? They only work conceptually with a few of my Boffs as written, but you never know. We need more weird hats and stuff also. And more kinds of alien heads! Common, lets hear it people! Join me in demanding the walls come down! Lets have open character design across all factions! FREEDOM!!!!
For the sake of argument, why would there not white Orions? I mean we're all friends now, and they've been 'allied' with the KDF for the span of the game.
In other words plenty of opportunity for Orion genes to...mix...with other races. Seems reasonable to me that in certain situations olive or white skinned Orions would be the result. The humanoid species in Trek appear to be remarkably compatible with each other in that respect, especially humans. Maybe it's Kirk's legacy?
And just to chuck it in, I would 100% support complete availability of all KDF costume pieces for all KDF races. I want to put a Gorn in Nausicaan armor dammit.
While it's not hard canon, FASA's two resource books on Orions list not only green Orions, but also grey and gold Orions ...
I don't see the harm in allowing customization sufficient to make hybrids, grey Orions, gold Orions, and so on, as well as green Orions.
What I do see in the OP is an attempt to bring more inter-fleet drama from the game into the fora. Cryptic should not impose restrictions on a given fleet (or armada) because another fleet (or armada) has an issue with them, unless they are actually violating the rules (such as by means of harassment). People who actually play the game and have seen this rhetoric before are well aware of who the two groups are.
I don't see the harm in allowing customization sufficient to make hybrids, grey Orions, gold Orions, and so on, as well as green Orions.
What I do see in the OP is an attempt to bring more inter-fleet drama from the game into the fora. Cryptic should not impose restrictions on a given fleet (or armada) because another fleet (or armada) has an issue with them, unless they are actually violating the rules (such as by means of harassment). People who actually play the game and have seen this rhetoric before are well aware of who the two groups are.
I'm part of one of the groups and I'm at a loss here. What are you talking about, where's the inter-fleet drama? Are you sure you're not just making things up?
But you know what? I guess it doesn't matter now does it? By being allowed to visit their studios Cryptic has pretty much signed off on you and your fleet haven't they? They've said in deed what most of us have suspected for years. They're not going to stop you. They're not going to correct you. You won. After long last, you really, really won. STO is yours and no one is going to do a thing about it. Congratulations.
I don't have an Orion of any sort but is't the 'white' option a light blue?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I don't see the harm in allowing customization sufficient to make hybrids, grey Orions, gold Orions, and so on, as well as green Orions.
What I do see in the OP is an attempt to bring more inter-fleet drama from the game into the fora. Cryptic should not impose restrictions on a given fleet (or armada) because another fleet (or armada) has an issue with them, unless they are actually violating the rules (such as by means of harassment). People who actually play the game and have seen this rhetoric before are well aware of who the two groups are.
I'm part of one of the groups and I'm at a loss here. What are you talking about, where's the inter-fleet drama? Are you sure you're not just making things up?
Contrary to the opinions of some, a licensed publication is not "non-canon." It's soft canon.
As for the rest of your post, I'll note that you admit that there are two groups and admit to being part of one of them -- and that the drama in question was going on before I started playing STO some three years ago.
By the way, my two Orions are green, I am not part of either of the two groups, and I have no vested interest in either side of this "proposal." But I do know what this is about; I've witnessed it for some time.
As for the rest of your post, I'll note that you admit that there are two groups and admit to being part of one of them -- and that the drama in question was going on before I started playing STO some three years ago.
Nice try troll. I'm obviously part of one of the two groups you brought up because I'm in the same fleet as the OP. The same OP you accused of being in one of the groups in your weird conspiracy.
-- and that the drama in question was going on before I started playing STO some three years ago.
By the way, my two Orions are green, I am not part of either of the two groups, and I have no vested interest in either side of this "proposal." But I do know what this is about; I've witnessed it for some time.
What drama? What are you talking about? Do us all a favour, enlighten the rest of us about what you're talking about, because right now you sound like a crazy person. "Heh, those people in THAT GROUP are obviously using their conversation about Topic A to covertly talk about Topic B. You can trust me because the ham radio in my teeth told me so!"
But you know what? I guess it doesn't matter now does it? By being allowed to visit their studios Cryptic has pretty much signed off on you and your fleet haven't they? They've said in deed what most of us have suspected for years. They're not going to stop you. They're not going to correct you. You won. After long last, you really, really won. STO is yours and no one is going to do a thing about it. Congratulations.
Well I want purple Orions, in Maximilian plate armor, but sexy, and wearing big sombreros. I also want the color palette on the armor to either be the appropriate flesh tone, or 'underwear' white, but NO other color. And I want to have the armor come with atachments like the other costume parts for other races. I think the left hand should have a "12 pack of beer" attachment, and the right hand should have a "large New York Pizza" attachment. The waist of the armor should have a place for the "cash paper money" attachment to stick out from. It should also come with an unlockable pet sea lion that could follow the Orion around with a ball bouncing on the end of it's nose. Or bouncing a 30 pound tribble colored like a soccer ball.
As an extra feature, I want my Orions to be able to wear tribble armor, made from tribbles! You can make it, then upgrade it using R and D. Also I want a racial ability to make non-Orions crawl around on all fours woofing or whimpering like a dog when an Orion walks by! Except Ferasans and Caitians. They have to screech and howl while rolling around on the ground in a wild and random fashion. This would be a trait slot ability of course.
Oh yeah, I also want the famous Orion Tommy Gun to be allowed in the game (it's canon! Look it up on google. See you in a bit ...) Make the 'tommy gun" a C-store item, but usable only by purple Orions wearing purple or white Maximillian plate, while carrying beer and a pizza, since that would make the most people happy. The Tommy gun should come with a tactical kit component called 'endless clip' that makes a weapon shoot endlessly as long as you hold the #1 button down, and no matter how much you move, or change targets, it just keeps firing doing 10k DPS and ignoring shields! If you lift up on the #1 key you get the "I'm out!" emote. At which point a different nearby Orion can use the "Here is another magazine" emote to throw a fresh one over. These emotes are for the Tommy Guns.
All in all I think these are perfectly reasonable ideas. Just swap a few palette colors and 'viola', not hard at all. Oh yes, we need some more special emotes just for Orions, before I forget. We need "Leaning way forward and wiggling the index finger in a 'come over here big boy' sort of way", and we need "pole dance". Oh, I forgot the C-store "pole accessory" that levels with your character! Dagnabbit ... so much to ask for ...
Oh and we need the "swimwear competition" emote, and the "open beer and pour it on your head" emote.
We should also discuss the "Orion Dream Camper Space Shuttle" pet. It is a non-combat ground pet about the size of a shuttle craft (naturally). The pet comes with an "In space option" where a little "Dream Shuttle" can follow your starship around. The in space version of the pet is useful in combat. If you get close enough to an enemy ship, the camper starts to follow them instead, and eliminate the enemy crew due to "exhaustion damage" which penetrates shields 100%. but takes it's own sweet time.
And hats, don't forget hats!
I need to find that flash drive, I forgot most of my ideas. I'll be back ...
Dang it, I guess you all get a reprieve. My targ ate my flash drive.
But really, no, I think I am done here. I got my arguements out awhile ago, and now I am just up way to late, and my poor brain is doing tight circles at 'ludicrous speed', thus the 2nd to last post from me. Sorry, but it just doesn't strike me as a real topic. Monochrome Orions? Really?
I am with warpangel entirely on this. Open all the costume piece options for everyone, and this so called 'problem' will go away.
On reflection, I have decided that 'Alien" should be it's own faction, like Romulans are apart from UFP, and KDF. There should be a few dozen alien core templates, and you should be able to make nearly anything with those, that you want. Then take the new 'alien' to the KDF or the UFP afterward. I really like this idea, and it could fit the "new character" scheme already in place pretty easy. Not as easy as a few palette swaps, but not to bad I would think.
I don't supppse we could get a thread about that now, could we?
But you know what? I guess it doesn't matter now does it? By being allowed to visit their studios Cryptic has pretty much signed off on you and your fleet haven't they? They've said in deed what most of us have suspected for years. They're not going to stop you. They're not going to correct you. You won. After long last, you really, really won. STO is yours and no one is going to do a thing about it. Congratulations.
Hmm, first off. I'd rather not be green. (Haha? Just a little joke referring to my name.)
Secondly, if it's immersion you're after green Orions is just the tip of the iceberg. I must admit I find this argument rather amusing coming from you, considering your opinions about 'discoballs', which are questionable immersion-wise and most definately non-canonical, but I digress...
Don't get me wrong I do agree that Orions (the race, not me ) should be green, or at least various greenish shades. However, changing the race after so many years would likley cause more complaints than it would quell. Not to mention it would reduce the number of character customization options, which I, and I assume a large majority of the playerbase, is opposed to.
I'd have to disagree with changing them after the fact, if you had a time machine I'd suggest traveling back to the Beta days and suggesting it then, but now? It's unlikely going to happen.
Also, even if the options for non-green colors were removed from the Orion (race) customization palette, it would not affect the multitudes of non-green Orions currently in existance. Changing those would require significant effort on the Dev's part, which would be better served programming new content and fixing things which are functionally broken.
Finally, while it would make sense (canon-wise) it would, in effect, be taking options from many customers to make a few happy. Hardly a good strategy from a business point of view. (Though I must admit, not a terribly persuasive argument considering we aren't speaking of any paid content.)
...
Darn Sundays, got nothing better to do than debate a fictional race's skin colors... I gotta find something more productive to do today.
Agreed here. Besides it's not easy being green.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
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hmm?
Because Reasons.
I 'm fine with all of that. Are you enjoying YOUR new characters? That is the whole point in my opinion. If others don't like your characters, don't stoop to being rude. If others are rude to you, just ignore them.
I am curious for the back story. Did your crew of new toons all learn the Antosian shape changing ability, like Garth did? Or was it an augment virus? I won't contradict you in your choice either way, after all, it's your toon, and your choice of what fan-fic to go with it.
IDIC
Live long and prosper.
P.S. Your IRL self is awesome
My Orion Boff wants to know if your in a Fleet yet
All kidding aside, that was awesome, and genuinely logical.
IDID
Live Long and .. aahhh you know the drill
I have been thinking so for awhile, but it is also absurdly funny in it's own way, isn't it?
Qapla!
And using the animated series as a reference, there is at least one giant Vulcan. A clone of Spock! Where is the emoticon for ROFLOL ???
Qapla
Yeah! Bikinis for the Klingon babes! That way when I get head-butted by one it will have been all worth it!
Seriously though, I am for expanding all costume options across all factions as widely as possible. So sure, why not bikinis? They only work conceptually with a few of my Boffs as written, but you never know. We need more weird hats and stuff also. And more kinds of alien heads! Common, lets hear it people! Join me in demanding the walls come down! Lets have open character design across all factions! FREEDOM!!!!
Qapla
I'd use a walrus head, and I know the Boff I would put it on. Cool way to make a new alien species.
Qapla
the orion skin pallette should eliminate at least the two 'whitest' of the options.
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It could be. Is there anything else to wear that goes good with 'sexy'?
We need more hats! Why can't the bikini be reskinned as a hat? For moon creature aliens? Hello? Is anyone still there? Hello???
Qapla
In other words plenty of opportunity for Orion genes to...mix...with other races. Seems reasonable to me that in certain situations olive or white skinned Orions would be the result. The humanoid species in Trek appear to be remarkably compatible with each other in that respect, especially humans. Maybe it's Kirk's legacy?
And just to chuck it in, I would 100% support complete availability of all KDF costume pieces for all KDF races. I want to put a Gorn in Nausicaan armor dammit.
Hey! Do you use the Alien template for your UFP Orions also? I think it works pretty well myself.
if you have been reading, you know my opinion on 'green' etc.
have a good one.
Qapla
Green is a BROAD term?! I'd say! It sure seems to be! Snicker snort!
Have a good one. Qapla
That and lingerie white. Keep them from designing their suits to look like they're in their bras and panties. So lewd.
indeed
I don't see the harm in allowing customization sufficient to make hybrids, grey Orions, gold Orions, and so on, as well as green Orions.
What I do see in the OP is an attempt to bring more inter-fleet drama from the game into the fora. Cryptic should not impose restrictions on a given fleet (or armada) because another fleet (or armada) has an issue with them, unless they are actually violating the rules (such as by means of harassment). People who actually play the game and have seen this rhetoric before are well aware of who the two groups are.
So a non-canon source is the reason we have non-canon Orions, ok.
I'm part of one of the groups and I'm at a loss here. What are you talking about, where's the inter-fleet drama? Are you sure you're not just making things up?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Contrary to the opinions of some, a licensed publication is not "non-canon." It's soft canon.
As for the rest of your post, I'll note that you admit that there are two groups and admit to being part of one of them -- and that the drama in question was going on before I started playing STO some three years ago.
By the way, my two Orions are green, I am not part of either of the two groups, and I have no vested interest in either side of this "proposal." But I do know what this is about; I've witnessed it for some time.
Right, non-canon is non-canon.
Nice try troll. I'm obviously part of one of the two groups you brought up because I'm in the same fleet as the OP. The same OP you accused of being in one of the groups in your weird conspiracy.
What drama? What are you talking about? Do us all a favour, enlighten the rest of us about what you're talking about, because right now you sound like a crazy person. "Heh, those people in THAT GROUP are obviously using their conversation about Topic A to covertly talk about Topic B. You can trust me because the ham radio in my teeth told me so!"
As an extra feature, I want my Orions to be able to wear tribble armor, made from tribbles! You can make it, then upgrade it using R and D. Also I want a racial ability to make non-Orions crawl around on all fours woofing or whimpering like a dog when an Orion walks by! Except Ferasans and Caitians. They have to screech and howl while rolling around on the ground in a wild and random fashion. This would be a trait slot ability of course.
Oh yeah, I also want the famous Orion Tommy Gun to be allowed in the game (it's canon! Look it up on google. See you in a bit ...) Make the 'tommy gun" a C-store item, but usable only by purple Orions wearing purple or white Maximillian plate, while carrying beer and a pizza, since that would make the most people happy. The Tommy gun should come with a tactical kit component called 'endless clip' that makes a weapon shoot endlessly as long as you hold the #1 button down, and no matter how much you move, or change targets, it just keeps firing doing 10k DPS and ignoring shields! If you lift up on the #1 key you get the "I'm out!" emote. At which point a different nearby Orion can use the "Here is another magazine" emote to throw a fresh one over. These emotes are for the Tommy Guns.
All in all I think these are perfectly reasonable ideas. Just swap a few palette colors and 'viola', not hard at all. Oh yes, we need some more special emotes just for Orions, before I forget. We need "Leaning way forward and wiggling the index finger in a 'come over here big boy' sort of way", and we need "pole dance". Oh, I forgot the C-store "pole accessory" that levels with your character! Dagnabbit ... so much to ask for ...
Oh and we need the "swimwear competition" emote, and the "open beer and pour it on your head" emote.
We should also discuss the "Orion Dream Camper Space Shuttle" pet. It is a non-combat ground pet about the size of a shuttle craft (naturally). The pet comes with an "In space option" where a little "Dream Shuttle" can follow your starship around. The in space version of the pet is useful in combat. If you get close enough to an enemy ship, the camper starts to follow them instead, and eliminate the enemy crew due to "exhaustion damage" which penetrates shields 100%. but takes it's own sweet time.
And hats, don't forget hats!
I need to find that flash drive, I forgot most of my ideas. I'll be back ...
Qapla
You are awesome! Your words are like a shining monument to pure logic! I salute you, and no snark intended!
Qapla
Bring back the skant! It's a canon uniform. Cryptic, please remove gender restrictions on uniforms while you're at it.
I agree with you. They should ban disco balls.
But really, no, I think I am done here. I got my arguements out awhile ago, and now I am just up way to late, and my poor brain is doing tight circles at 'ludicrous speed', thus the 2nd to last post from me. Sorry, but it just doesn't strike me as a real topic. Monochrome Orions? Really?
I am with warpangel entirely on this. Open all the costume piece options for everyone, and this so called 'problem' will go away.
On reflection, I have decided that 'Alien" should be it's own faction, like Romulans are apart from UFP, and KDF. There should be a few dozen alien core templates, and you should be able to make nearly anything with those, that you want. Then take the new 'alien' to the KDF or the UFP afterward. I really like this idea, and it could fit the "new character" scheme already in place pretty easy. Not as easy as a few palette swaps, but not to bad I would think.
I don't supppse we could get a thread about that now, could we?
Qapla
We've got plenty of evidence that white Orions aren't canon, please point out where disco isn't canon.
Agreed here. Besides it's not easy being green.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."