So then where is the template to create a KDF faction human? See we are working with what we have here.
Alien. People can make "aliens" that look exactly human with the alien species. That's what you are supposed to use when your desired race isn't available. And the Orion traits aren't exactly appropriate to a human, as we don't have
"super-pheromones". But people don't use alien. So why don't people do this? Metal bikinis.
That's it. That is literally it. It has nothing to do with Orions, it has everything to do with running around in underwear.
Don't go trying to sell this as, "But... how else can I make a human KDF-side!?" because everyone knows. This is not some noble crusade to make your desired species, it's a sad attempt to undress your desired species. People can't easily put aliens in metal bikinis which are exclusive to Orions, so Orions it is.
People aren't making due, they're making cut-rate TRIBBLE material.
If you're gonna do it, then own it.
so if I ever want to cut down some of the fail in sto I should post links to some ecchi manga I know?
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
I support more realistic Orions, also I want more battle armor for Orion females. Lets face it, it would be better at sustaining a direct disruptor bolt and the game would be closer to the way it should be. It would be an easy change just remove the orion clothing completely replace with good strong klingon clothing and then it would be perfect.
I am not sure whether Orion females have all the options of Klinks, but my fem Orion is covered and wears normal armor (except for the Orion shoulder pads and the crown), so the option exists.
That being said, the amount of skimpy dressed orions, bosom and hips maxed out, minimum waist, often "cute" or "seductive" poses (which look extremely silly to me since I never saw any woman standing only remotely that way) lets me always make assumptions about those players making them.
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I am not sure whether Orion females have all the options of Klinks, but my fem Orion is covered and wears normal armor (except for the Orion shoulder pads and the crown), so the option exists.
You are correct. They do have access to KDF outfits. I got a few outfits saved on mine, and only one of them is the skimpy Metal Bikini. The rest are Merc outfit, Bortasqu uniform and skirt (because she is Orion), Heck... even the Korath uniform from the lobi Store!
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Something that has never made sense to me is the color palette for Orions in STO. In Star Trek, Orions have green skin. Not pink or white skin, green skin.
It's kind of off putting to see so many 'orions' who are clearly just 'humans with skimpy clothes' because people make them with human, rather than orion skin tones.
A small change that would do a lot for Trek Immersion, Make Orions Green.
psh hell with that I still want blue to go with some old ToS lore I remember :P
Something that has never made sense to me is the color palette for Orions in STO. In Star Trek, Orions have green skin. Not pink or white skin, green skin.
It's kind of off putting to see so many 'orions' who are clearly just 'humans with skimpy clothes' because people make them with human, rather than orion skin tones.
A small change that would do a lot for Trek Immersion, Make Orions Green.
psh hell with that I still want blue to go with some old ToS lore I remember :P
Well, in TAS we actually SAW Orions with other colors.
What about the daughter of a Human Male, Orion Female? The Orion was sent to seduce the Star Fleet Captain but fell in love with him instead and together they had an Orion-hybrid daughter. Ostracized by the purebred Orions for her paler green skin, she joins the KDF and works her way up to become a Dahar Master.
Besides which, one hardly sees any non-green Orion Males. In fact one doesn't see too many Orion Males Period. Most end up as Training Manuals after being sent to the Solyent Green tanks (see what I did there) or put up for sale on the (Slave) Exchange.
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What it really comes down to is that greenness is the thing that makes an orion an orion, like pointy ears for a vulcan or a lizard body for a gorn or blue skin for a bolian.
An orion that isnt green is no orion at all. It wouldnt make sense to let human or klingon characters pick a dragon's head or a walrus head, because then they wouldnt be human anymore.
An orion that isnt green isnt an orion anymore. And the alien option is there for 'things other than the canon species you can choose from.'
All cryptic needs to do is remove one option from the palate.
Ok, I can't resist.
This is obviously an opinion, hardly fact. Also, there is nothing preventing players from making green Orions now, so there is nothing that Cryptic has to do to allow green Orions.
Removing palette options just because the other colors don't match your definition of 'proper Orions' is hardly a good enough reason for Cryptic to remove customization options from STO.
Edit: Hmm, this repetitive discussion makes me wonder if the point isn't an earnest desire to discuss customization options but instead parhaps an attempt to bait an argument? Or perhaps I'm drinking too much coffee...
So then where is the template to create a KDF faction human? See we are working with what we have here.
Alien. People can make "aliens" that look exactly human with the alien species. That's what you are supposed to use when your desired race isn't available. And the Orion traits aren't exactly appropriate to a human, as we don't have
"super-pheromones". But people don't use alien. So why don't people do this? Metal bikinis.
That's it. That is literally it. It has nothing to do with Orions, it has everything to do with running around in underwear.
Don't go trying to sell this as, "But... how else can I make a human KDF-side!?" because everyone knows. This is not some noble crusade to make your desired species, it's a sad attempt to undress your desired species. People can't easily put aliens in metal bikinis which are exclusive to Orions, so Orions it is.
People aren't making due, they're making cut-rate TRIBBLE material.
If you're gonna do it, then own it.
so if I ever want to cut down some of the fail in sto I should post links to some ecchi manga I know?
Well that is a broad brush happyhappyj0yj0y is using there. I actually have standard KDF uniforms on all my Orions except one Boff for one toon, and it fits his personality to have it that way. I have used Alien templates to create non-KDF Orions, so those are clothed in uniforms that I tried to make look TOS or Wrath of Khan contemporaneous, but skirts, and pants are the lower body choices, sorry, no bikinis. However if I wanted bikinis on my toons, who made Happyhappyj0yj0y the boss of me?!
If I want to undress my desired species I go play the Risa summer event for swimwear. I don't need Orions of any color to do that, if that was my goal. Or just get the TOS minskirts and all that. Seeing a nearly naked toon may please a lot of folks, but it has nothing to do with my point about making a cool character idea, and ultimately has nothing to do with this discussion. I use the costume choices available to make a cool and appropriate look.
However, where are the specifically Alien costume options?! If I did want a costume piece, I have to settle for what Cryptic decides my faction will allow for an ALIEN, even off duty. I can't get strange Alien hats, or odd cloaks, or lots of wild jewelry for my aliens, Basically, the point that you have to go to an Orion to get some choices makes MY case rather nicely. You wouldn't have to jump around if the Alien template had ALL the options.
Maybe an alien could resemble a Gorn? Or maybe a Lethean, or Nausicaan (search online, there are so many aliens that are rehashes of the old makeup, your head will explode) They should be available to the FED player as well. Benzite defectors to the Klingons? Why not? All of this should be available, and easy.
I actually do a Pen and Paper Star Trek game offline and my character ideas overlap. It helps me GM my offline game to play a toon that has the right elements of design. My Nausicaan KDF is a new fave (and the Devs didn't even give him a bikini, SUCH discrimination ). Anyway, in my offline verse, there is a Klingon House that is open to diplomacy (TOS era) and which is using pirate networks to do back door peace negotiations. I have Orions on both sides of the fence, and Fed citizens across the Neutral zone helping this House. The toons in this game have modified bios to account for the different timeline, but otherwise correlate.
Now I skipped past the Orions at first, cause I didn't need one then. I did make a human looking KDF Alien early on, as well as for Romulans and Feds, for a humanoid race that was from my offline game, a sort of small regional power between the big three. I was not as happy as I had wanted to be with the results, but used the toons the way they turned out. I never considered orions to be a likely substitute, and I actually only use the Orion template for ... Orions.
I did use the Alien template for a Fed Efrosian (if anyone remembers them, the Fed President from ST6?) and a Fed Orion, and I liked the way that they turned out. Anyway, I like the tools, and I wish they were more open than they already are. People here who want to take the tools away are just going the opposite direction from me, and there isn't any way to make common ground that I can see. Basically, I see the desire to limit hues for Orions as a stifling thing if it were to succeed. I just have to say, I am against it. There isn't more I can really add. I have declared my reasons. I think they are good ones.
So happyhappyj0yj0y's comments not withstanding, you either want variety, and choices, or you want limits and restrictions. Pick your side. I am for free choice in character design. That is my last word on this, I am pretty sure
I should read through this thread before posting but when has that stopped anyone from posting
Where I stand on this. An odd 50/50. Pale Orions creep me the hell out for reasons I should not go into so that is a vote yes for me...but taking away others toys just because I'm "triggered" is lame so that is a vote no.
As for the canon standpoint, there is a few bigger targets that I would go after if I thought for a second that I had to win any minds on.
But you know what? I guess it doesn't matter now does it? By being allowed to visit their studios Cryptic has pretty much signed off on you and your fleet haven't they? They've said in deed what most of us have suspected for years. They're not going to stop you. They're not going to correct you. You won. After long last, you really, really won. STO is yours and no one is going to do a thing about it. Congratulations.
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SO how many Orions did we see in all the Shows?
Maybe 1-2 dozen or a few more? Who says that all Orions are green just because we have seen a few?
Until Voyager we could say that all Vulcans have pale skin and then we saw Tuvok, a Vulcan with dark skin.
You just assume all Orions are green because the few we have seen are green. That would be the same as if Aliens , landing in Scandinavia , would assume that all Humans have pale skin because all people they saw had pale skin.
So
Point is that you claim that all Orions have green skin, but you have nothing to prove that, nothing to back it up. There is a chance, and its not small, that Orions also have different skin Colors, like Vulcans and Humans, or that there are Subspecies
( Not only Skincolor but also about clothes. Don't like pale orions, don't create one. Don't like skimpy clothes? Don't wear them. But don't say what others should be able to do/wear.)
About the "sad attempt to undress your species":
Freedom of choice. And not everyone, not every country, has the same "moral" standards so something that is inappropriate for someone can be totally normal for others. Nothing wrong with that. Thats why we have the options to customize OUR Avatars.
If Person A doesn't like Pale Orions in Bikinis, no one will ever force him/her to create one but Person A also should not have the right to say what other players should be allowed to wear, what their avatars should look like.
Why is it so often the same discussion " I don't want/like things so no one else should like them, no one should have them, Cryptic remove those things"
Thats just nonsense. Create YOUR Avatar/Char/Toon and play the way you want and let everyone else play the game how they want.
Edit: Hmm, this repetitive discussion makes me wonder if the point isn't an earnest desire to discuss customization options but instead parhaps an attempt to bait an argument? Or perhaps I'm drinking too much coffee...
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SO how many Orions did we see in all the Shows?
Maybe 1-2 dozen or a few more? Who says that all Orions are green just because we have seen a few?
Until Voyager we could say that all Vulcans have pale skin and then we saw Tuvok, a Vulcan with dark skin.
You just assume all Orions are green because the few we have seen are green. That would be the same as if Aliens , landing in Scandinavia , would assume that all Humans have pale skin because all people they saw had pale skin.
So
Point is that you claim that all Orions have green skin, but you have nothing to prove that, nothing to back it up. There is a chance, and its not small, that Orions also have different skin Colors, like Vulcans and Humans, or that there are Subspecies
( Not only Skincolor but also about clothes. Don't like pale orions, don't create one. Don't like skimpy clothes? Don't wear them. But don't say what others should be able to do/wear.)
About the "sad attempt to undress your species":
Freedom of choice. And not everyone, not every country, has the same "moral" standards so something that is inappropriate for someone can be totally normal for others. Nothing wrong with that. Thats why we have the options to customize OUR Avatars.
If Person A doesn't like Pale Orions in Bikinis, no one will ever force him/her to create one but Person A also should not have the right to say what other players should be allowed to wear, what their avatars should look like.
Why is it so often the same discussion " I don't want/like things so no one else should like them, no one should have them, Cryptic remove those things"
Thats just nonsense. Create YOUR Avatar/Char/Toon and play the way you want and let everyone else play the game how they want.
*facepalm* I already went over how they DID have non-green Orions in TAS....
However if I wanted bikinis on my toons, who made Happyhappyj0yj0y the boss of me?!
No one. I never said you shouldn't be able to put any character you want in bikinis. I never said that was a bad thing. I said that using Orions to make half-naked humans is a sad attempt at making half-naked humans.
Non-green Orions bother me, because Orions are green. I'd be fine with them making bikinis for everyone so we'd see fewer people using Orion-posers in order to get half-naked.
I also said that if you're gonna do it, then own it. Don't go making half-naked human-looking Orions then try and pass it off as anything other than an attempt to create a half-naked human. You're in denial if you do that and suggest otherwise, and you're doing us both a disservice.
Point is that you claim that all Orions have green skin, but you have nothing to prove that, nothing to back it up. There is a chance, and its not small, that Orions also have different skin Colors, like Vulcans and Humans, or that there are Subspecies
You can't prove an absence. The burden, thus is on you. If non-green Orions exist you should be able to provide proof since, you know, they exist and thus you can point them out. Except... you can't. Can you?
Using your argument that an absence of proof makes it valid, well... there's no proof that aren't some vulans who are red-skinned, forty feet tall and shoot lasers out of their butts. Where's my option for that?
You can't prove an absence. The burden, thus is on you. If non-green Orions exist you should be able to provide proof since, you know, they exist and thus you can point them out. Except... you can't. Can you?
Using your argument that an absence of proof makes it valid, well... there's no proof that aren't some vulans who are red-skinned, forty feet tall and shoot lasers out of their butts. Where's my option for that?
There's your proof. Star Trek: The Animated Series is considered canon. NEXT!
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I'm pretty sure the ability to create Orions that look like half-naked humans was a deliberate choice to get people to play Klingon-side. It's a feature, not a bug.
I guess the rationale would be DS9's Honor Among Thieves.
Liam Bilby. Memory Alpha (which is a fan wiki) assumes he's human but he's in the Orion Syndicate and may be Orion. I don't remember that episode having anyone green skinned in it despite being about the Orion Syndicate.
I'm pretty sure the ability to create Orions that look like half-naked humans was a deliberate choice to get people to play Klingon-side. It's a feature, not a bug.
So open up metal bikinis to everyone on the KDF. Make it no different than furry sleeves or shoulder pads, make them KDF-specific, but species-agnostic. If that's the goal it would work even better than pink Orions...
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Something that has never made sense to me is the color palette for Orions in STO. In Star Trek, Orions have green skin. Not pink or white skin, green skin.
It's kind of off putting to see so many 'orions' who are clearly just 'humans with skimpy clothes' because people make them with human, rather than orion skin tones.
A small change that would do a lot for Trek Immersion, Make Orions Green.
If it helps your headcanon assume these are either descendants of Orion / non-Orion mixed heritage; have some kind of rare skin condition or just belong to a specific ethnic group of Orions.
Considering all the visual atrocities one can see on Kronos, ESD and other social places this is really the easiest appearance to explain away with in-game logic.
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so if I ever want to cut down some of the fail in sto I should post links to some ecchi manga I know?
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
I am not sure whether Orion females have all the options of Klinks, but my fem Orion is covered and wears normal armor (except for the Orion shoulder pads and the crown), so the option exists.
That being said, the amount of skimpy dressed orions, bosom and hips maxed out, minimum waist, often "cute" or "seductive" poses (which look extremely silly to me since I never saw any woman standing only remotely that way) lets me always make assumptions about those players making them.
You are correct. They do have access to KDF outfits. I got a few outfits saved on mine, and only one of them is the skimpy Metal Bikini. The rest are Merc outfit, Bortasqu uniform and skirt (because she is Orion), Heck... even the Korath uniform from the lobi Store!
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psh hell with that I still want blue to go with some old ToS lore I remember :P
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No. we don't know it, It was never ever ever made an actual official rule for them. Before JJ Trek they didn't have a red haired one either.
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Besides which, one hardly sees any non-green Orion Males. In fact one doesn't see too many Orion Males Period. Most end up as Training Manuals after being sent to the Solyent Green tanks (see what I did there) or put up for sale on the (Slave) Exchange.
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Ok, I can't resist.
This is obviously an opinion, hardly fact. Also, there is nothing preventing players from making green Orions now, so there is nothing that Cryptic has to do to allow green Orions.
Removing palette options just because the other colors don't match your definition of 'proper Orions' is hardly a good enough reason for Cryptic to remove customization options from STO.
Edit: Hmm, this repetitive discussion makes me wonder if the point isn't an earnest desire to discuss customization options but instead parhaps an attempt to bait an argument? Or perhaps I'm drinking too much coffee...
Well that is a broad brush happyhappyj0yj0y is using there. I actually have standard KDF uniforms on all my Orions except one Boff for one toon, and it fits his personality to have it that way. I have used Alien templates to create non-KDF Orions, so those are clothed in uniforms that I tried to make look TOS or Wrath of Khan contemporaneous, but skirts, and pants are the lower body choices, sorry, no bikinis. However if I wanted bikinis on my toons, who made Happyhappyj0yj0y the boss of me?!
If I want to undress my desired species I go play the Risa summer event for swimwear. I don't need Orions of any color to do that, if that was my goal. Or just get the TOS minskirts and all that. Seeing a nearly naked toon may please a lot of folks, but it has nothing to do with my point about making a cool character idea, and ultimately has nothing to do with this discussion. I use the costume choices available to make a cool and appropriate look.
However, where are the specifically Alien costume options?! If I did want a costume piece, I have to settle for what Cryptic decides my faction will allow for an ALIEN, even off duty. I can't get strange Alien hats, or odd cloaks, or lots of wild jewelry for my aliens, Basically, the point that you have to go to an Orion to get some choices makes MY case rather nicely. You wouldn't have to jump around if the Alien template had ALL the options.
Maybe an alien could resemble a Gorn? Or maybe a Lethean, or Nausicaan (search online, there are so many aliens that are rehashes of the old makeup, your head will explode) They should be available to the FED player as well. Benzite defectors to the Klingons? Why not? All of this should be available, and easy.
I actually do a Pen and Paper Star Trek game offline and my character ideas overlap. It helps me GM my offline game to play a toon that has the right elements of design. My Nausicaan KDF is a new fave (and the Devs didn't even give him a bikini, SUCH discrimination
Now I skipped past the Orions at first, cause I didn't need one then. I did make a human looking KDF Alien early on, as well as for Romulans and Feds, for a humanoid race that was from my offline game, a sort of small regional power between the big three. I was not as happy as I had wanted to be with the results, but used the toons the way they turned out. I never considered orions to be a likely substitute, and I actually only use the Orion template for ... Orions.
I did use the Alien template for a Fed Efrosian (if anyone remembers them, the Fed President from ST6?) and a Fed Orion, and I liked the way that they turned out. Anyway, I like the tools, and I wish they were more open than they already are. People here who want to take the tools away are just going the opposite direction from me, and there isn't any way to make common ground that I can see. Basically, I see the desire to limit hues for Orions as a stifling thing if it were to succeed. I just have to say, I am against it. There isn't more I can really add. I have declared my reasons. I think they are good ones.
So happyhappyj0yj0y's comments not withstanding, you either want variety, and choices, or you want limits and restrictions. Pick your side. I am for free choice in character design. That is my last word on this, I am pretty sure
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Where I stand on this. An odd 50/50. Pale Orions creep me the hell out for reasons I should not go into so that is a vote yes for me...but taking away others toys just because I'm "triggered" is lame so that is a vote no.
As for the canon standpoint, there is a few bigger targets that I would go after if I thought for a second that I had to win any minds on.
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Maybe 1-2 dozen or a few more? Who says that all Orions are green just because we have seen a few?
Until Voyager we could say that all Vulcans have pale skin and then we saw Tuvok, a Vulcan with dark skin.
You just assume all Orions are green because the few we have seen are green. That would be the same as if Aliens , landing in Scandinavia , would assume that all Humans have pale skin because all people they saw had pale skin.
So
Point is that you claim that all Orions have green skin, but you have nothing to prove that, nothing to back it up. There is a chance, and its not small, that Orions also have different skin Colors, like Vulcans and Humans, or that there are Subspecies
( Not only Skincolor but also about clothes. Don't like pale orions, don't create one. Don't like skimpy clothes? Don't wear them. But don't say what others should be able to do/wear.)
About the "sad attempt to undress your species":
Freedom of choice. And not everyone, not every country, has the same "moral" standards so something that is inappropriate for someone can be totally normal for others. Nothing wrong with that. Thats why we have the options to customize OUR Avatars.
If Person A doesn't like Pale Orions in Bikinis, no one will ever force him/her to create one but Person A also should not have the right to say what other players should be allowed to wear, what their avatars should look like.
Why is it so often the same discussion " I don't want/like things so no one else should like them, no one should have them, Cryptic remove those things"
Thats just nonsense. Create YOUR Avatar/Char/Toon and play the way you want and let everyone else play the game how they want.
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No one. I never said you shouldn't be able to put any character you want in bikinis. I never said that was a bad thing. I said that using Orions to make half-naked humans is a sad attempt at making half-naked humans.
Non-green Orions bother me, because Orions are green. I'd be fine with them making bikinis for everyone so we'd see fewer people using Orion-posers in order to get half-naked.
I also said that if you're gonna do it, then own it. Don't go making half-naked human-looking Orions then try and pass it off as anything other than an attempt to create a half-naked human. You're in denial if you do that and suggest otherwise, and you're doing us both a disservice.
You can't prove an absence. The burden, thus is on you. If non-green Orions exist you should be able to provide proof since, you know, they exist and thus you can point them out. Except... you can't. Can you?
Using your argument that an absence of proof makes it valid, well... there's no proof that aren't some vulans who are red-skinned, forty feet tall and shoot lasers out of their butts. Where's my option for that?
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I guess the rationale would be DS9's Honor Among Thieves.
Liam Bilby. Memory Alpha (which is a fan wiki) assumes he's human but he's in the Orion Syndicate and may be Orion. I don't remember that episode having anyone green skinned in it despite being about the Orion Syndicate.
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As stated by others, that's blue-green not pink. I'm totally in favor of blue-green Orions. Maybe even true blue Orions.
So open up metal bikinis to everyone on the KDF. Make it no different than furry sleeves or shoulder pads, make them KDF-specific, but species-agnostic. If that's the goal it would work even better than pink Orions...
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If it helps your headcanon assume these are either descendants of Orion / non-Orion mixed heritage; have some kind of rare skin condition or just belong to a specific ethnic group of Orions.
Considering all the visual atrocities one can see on Kronos, ESD and other social places this is really the easiest appearance to explain away with in-game logic.
I do not think that was Cryptics decision to not have an endgame Constitution
I need to go pass the time by playing a little solitaire.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Of course you might need to forgo the metal bikini but that isn't a problem. Is it folks?