(Though I still love my ship...I was able to build it into a quasi-science ship despite not having quite the right BOFF slots, because of the Undine snot bubble console.)
let me take a wild guess as to which of your characters is flying that dromias...alyosha?
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A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
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Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
(Though I still love my ship...I was able to build it into a quasi-science ship despite not having quite the right BOFF slots, because of the Undine snot bubble console.)
let me take a wild guess as to which of your characters is flying that dromias...alyosha?
Yes, although in my stories he still flies a Phoenix-class escort instead. Unlike a lot of people, escorts are just something I never took to flying.
The Undine have the ability to 1 shot some Dyson Sphere doors off. So where are the Undine? We get them here... that's it... we win.
We'll blow a hole in the side of the sphere... fire some Trilithium torpedos at the star... granted they might be destroyed... so we'll keep firing them in... watch the star explode... then get the hell out of the system before chuncks of a Dyson Sphere are scattered around sector space.
Now that has real potential. Plus, the Undine theoretically have just as much reason to hold a grudge against the Iconians as we do. The Iconians dragged them out of isolation into a war with us on false pretenses, and evidence suggests that the Undine are rather more independent-minded and closer to our own mindset despite all their "The weak will perish!" rhetoric, than the Iconians.
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So me, four BOFFs, 1 Klingon, and two Romulan escorts took out an Iconian? So, flood the damn sphere with troops. Or maybe get all the players in Undine ships to use their death beam on the sphere.
We don't all have the death beam...those of us with the Dromias don't.
(Though I still love my ship...I was able to build it into a quasi-science ship despite not having quite the right BOFF slots, because of the Undine snot bubble console.)
So me, four BOFFs, 1 Klingon, and two Romulan escorts took out an Iconian? So, flood the damn sphere with troops. Or maybe get all the players in Undine ships to use their death beam on the sphere.
Again... another question...
The Undine have the ability to 1 shot some Dyson Sphere doors off. So where are the Undine? We get them here... that's it... we win.
We'll blow a hole in the side of the sphere... fire some Trilithium torpedos at the star... granted they might be destroyed... so we'll keep firing them in... watch the star explode... then get the hell out of the system before chuncks of a Dyson Sphere are scattered around sector space.
Or ask the Voth or the frog guys for some underspace tech and just warp in to the star, give Karrigan a Trilithium vest and set him off.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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We'll blow a hole in the side of the sphere... fire some Trilithium torpedos at the star... granted they might be destroyed... so we'll keep firing them in... watch the star explode... then get the hell out of the system before chuncks of a Dyson Sphere are scattered around sector space.
And the worst part is: We just were inside the sphere. And our best plan is "alter the timeline against all we stand for and without knowing the outcome". We even had the whole time travel thing with the delta recruits. And it did NOTHING to change anything. Hell, we could timetravel all we want with how our delta recruits traveled back or via slingshots and set some things right, like rescuing/evacuating the preservers.
But that would be common sense in this franchise, and we want 3rd-rate-ape-writing.
And the worst part is: We just were inside the sphere. And our best plan is "alter the timeline against all we stand for and without knowing the outcome". We even had the whole time travel thing with the delta recruits. And it did NOTHING to change anything. Hell, we could timetravel all we want with how our delta recruits traveled back or via slingshots and set some things right, like rescuing/evacuating the preservers.
But that would be common sense in this franchise, and we want 3rd-rate-ape-writing.
It was a particularly poor tease when we saw the Temporal Agent there at the research facility. What information of worth was given to the Delta Recruits, anyway? I never did see what the significance of that actually was.
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Yes, although in my stories he still flies a Phoenix-class escort instead. Unlike a lot of people, escorts are just something I never took to flying.
i figured...his bonding with that ship in those masterverse stories combined with your saying you have one was just way too much of a coincidence for it to have NOT been him
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Except when she popped into and out of the Klingon Home world without any ship in sight.
On our end. That gateway was presumably from the Andromeda Dyson Sphere, over 2 million light years away. Of course there was no ship in sight.
And thus she could use the Andromeda Dyson Sphere gateway again. Nothing was stopping her, in fact *it was right behind the ship she was on*
her ship was severely damaged, we had boarding parties all over it, and by the time she found out she was vulnerable it was too late to do anything
Hmm, no. She could have summoned help from the start or called for extraction (just like use low tech types did at the end).
But no, she killed herself.
she was immortal, so while some of her thinking may have been comparative to ours, mostly it wont be. there are probably as many rational reasons for her inability to act, as there are reasons for her choosing not to. as for using a low tech option, i used to be a smoker, i never kept any matches, because i always had lighters lol
Yes, although in my stories he still flies a Phoenix-class escort instead. Unlike a lot of people, escorts are just something I never took to flying.
i figured...his bonding with that ship in those masterverse stories combined with your saying you have one was just way too much of a coincidence for it to have NOT been him
True. I still have the Chin'toka around, and I'll never get rid of it, but I stunk so horribly at flying it that getting another ship for game purposes was a big help. I just think too much like a science officer even when flying another ship class.
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she was immortal, so while some of her thinking may have been comparative to ours, mostly it wont be. there are probably as many rational reasons for her inability to act, as there are reasons for her choosing not to. as for using a low tech option, i used to be a smoker, i never kept any matches, because i always had lighters lol[/color]
Depending upon what is in effect "They'll immortal, thus they're stupid" as a plot point does not make a stupid plot into a smart one...
Been at work and not had a chance to play it yet and I've had my first fight with an iconian ruined.
That is why we have been putting the most sensitive stuff in 'spoiler' brackets.
Nope.
1. Stop browsing the forums while you work.
2. Stop browsing the forums if you plan to be surprised by playing the game.
3. The forums are there to discuss the game.
4. ....
5. Profit is its own reward.
couldnt agree more, i leave the browser off, and close down my chat window for any new episode, folks cant help wanting to chat about how amazing and great or poor and frustrating things are
And the worst part is: We just were inside the sphere. And our best plan is "alter the timeline against all we stand for and without knowing the outcome". We even had the whole time travel thing with the delta recruits. And it did NOTHING to change anything. Hell, we could timetravel all we want with how our delta recruits traveled back or via slingshots and set some things right, like rescuing/evacuating the preservers.
But that would be common sense in this franchise, and we want 3rd-rate-ape-writing.
The worst part? We were the ones that ultimatly caused M'Tara to die + the Klingon Dude in the skirt.... So I'd be willing to bet... L'Miren / T'Ket will be watching us like an eagle...
Now... where did we go to directly from the Iconia System?
They'll watch us and be like "Wait a minute... Krenim!"
Then boom... T'Ket will send a stupidly oversized fleet up our TRIBBLE.
And the worst part is: We just were inside the sphere. And our best plan is "alter the timeline against all we stand for and without knowing the outcome". We even had the whole time travel thing with the delta recruits. And it did NOTHING to change anything. Hell, we could timetravel all we want with how our delta recruits traveled back or via slingshots and set some things right, like rescuing/evacuating the preservers.
But that would be common sense in this franchise, and we want 3rd-rate-ape-writing.
The worst part? We were the ones that ultimatly caused M'Tara to die + the Klingon Dude in the skirt.... So I'd be willing to bet... L'Miren / T'Ket will be watching us like an eagle...
Now... where did we go to directly from the Iconia System?
They'll watch us and be like "Wait a minute... Krenim!"
Then boom... T'Ket will send a stupidly oversized fleet up our TRIBBLE.
Only if they had a half-brain, and I believe Cryptic has well established that absolutely no one (including our own character) has as much as a tenth of one.
True. I still have the Chin'toka around, and I'll never get rid of it, but I stunk so horribly at flying it that getting another ship for game purposes was a big help. I just think too much like a science officer even when flying another ship class.
i feel the same way about the Conundrum, the wells my fed main flies; i'll never get rid of that unless a T6 version comes along - and if it does, it's more like i'm retrofitting rather than getting rid of it entirely
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
The sad thing is the ship is irrelevant, theres plenty of ways to time travel and defeat the iconians without REMOVING them from the timestream, and royally TRIBBLE up the universe.
A simple time travel mission going back to an earlier point of the war, Red Alert style makes far more sense.
That's also dangerous but nothing close to the TRIBBLE mess which is the krenim ship.
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he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
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True. I still have the Chin'toka around, and I'll never get rid of it, but I stunk so horribly at flying it that getting another ship for game purposes was a big help. I just think too much like a science officer even when flying another ship class.
i feel the same way about the Conundrum, the wells my fed main flies; i'll never get rid of that unless a T6 version comes along - and if it does, it's more like i'm retrofitting rather than getting rid of it entirely
I'm the same way with the Lexington. She started life as a standard free Sovereign class, got the Regent and "refit" the Lexington to Regent specs...
If a T6 comes out and I get that... Lexington's getting another refit. She currently is a T5U, but I've been flying my Phanton and Guardian a lot more lately.
Because that would also mean no more warp travel in that region. So while the Iconians would still be able to teleport around, the Alliance would be unable to respond.
Bad, Bad Idea!
No, I don't think so. I think it all depends on the specifics as we have seen Omega particle use on STO and on VOY too without the subspace damage occurring. Large catastrophic reactions will destroy subspace. Controlled annihilation or utilisation seems fine (and mind you we saw an uncontrolled Omega cascade damage damage T'Ket and no subspace damage there). Key word being control. I don't think Omega powered weapons would be an issue either even if it did cause subspace damage, if we are taking out a single sphere in an isolated pocket of space then not the biggest issue if total galactic extermination is on the cards from the Iconians. Just 'Nuke' their current homeworld or whatever with Omega.
Frankly Starfleet would be just as desperate to do that as to alter the timeline (actually Omega weapons would be easier with more controllable outcome then temporal incursions/timeline changing). If i was them i would have this as a resort before even attempting the timeline changing. They have access to Omega generators inside the sphere's already so they don't really have to do much except make a delivery platform or ways to incorporate it into torpedo or ground weapons.
Omega Phaser anyone?
Which would throw our noble 'we're fighting the noble fight against the Voth to protect the quadrant from the dangerous omega particles' right out the window. But hey, why should that stop us? It's not like we've ever bent the sacred prime directive before, oh noooo. Taking sides in a clearly internal affair between the vaduaar and koboli anyone? And this doesn't even begin to address the gross flagrant disregard to the teporal prime directive we're about to do by using a weapon that will create temporal genocide against races by erasing them from time.
Funny the justification one can make against doctrine when their back is against the wall. Suddenly it doesn't apply to 'us'.
The sad thing is the ship is irrelevant, theres plenty of ways to time travel and defeat the iconians without REMOVING them from the timestream, and royally TRIBBLE up the universe.
A simple time travel mission going back to an earlier point of the war, Red Alert style makes far more sense.
That's also dangerous but nothing close to the TRIBBLE mess which is the krenim ship.
as i recall, Red Alert's first ever time travel ended up making things FAR worse than in the original timeline (i assume you're referring to C&C Red Alert)
If a T6 comes out and I get that... Lexington's getting another refit. She currently is a T5U, but I've been flying my Phanton and Guardian a lot more lately.
oh, it will be...but the prometheus, armitage and defiant are coming first
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Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
oh, it will be...but the prometheus, armitage and defiant are coming first
I know, I hate it. I have enough for one, but love all three. A T6 Sovereign would make it easier for me though .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The sad thing is the ship is irrelevant, theres plenty of ways to time travel and defeat the iconians without REMOVING them from the timestream, and royally TRIBBLE up the universe.
A simple time travel mission going back to an earlier point of the war, Red Alert style makes far more sense.
That's also dangerous but nothing close to the TRIBBLE mess which is the krenim ship.
We did see one thing done with that ship that does NOT involve firing its main weapon, that I think has potential use. Sadly, I am doubting Cryptic will think outside the box enough to invoke it, but remember that in the episode, Annorax was able to beam Chakotay and Paris to his ship with his temporal shielding intact, meaning he was outside the normal timeline despite being visible on sensors. This means we could potentially do that to the Iconian council and excise their memories if not do a complete mindwipe. Nasty as heck, but certainly on a lesser order than using the time weapon. (Even though I have half-jokingly suggested excising J'mpok from the timeline as a solution to a whooooooole lot of problems.)
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The sad thing is the ship is irrelevant, theres plenty of ways to time travel and defeat the iconians without REMOVING them from the timestream, and royally TRIBBLE up the universe.
A simple time travel mission going back to an earlier point of the war, Red Alert style makes far more sense.
That's also dangerous but nothing close to the TRIBBLE mess which is the krenim ship.
We did see one thing done with that ship that does NOT involve firing its main weapon, that I think has potential use. Sadly, I am doubting Cryptic will think outside the box enough to invoke it, but remember that in the episode, Annorax was able to beam Chakotay and Paris to his ship with his temporal shielding intact, meaning he was outside the normal timeline despite being visible on sensors. This means we could potentially do that to the Iconian council and excise their memories if not do a complete mindwipe. Nasty as heck, but certainly on a lesser order than using the time weapon. (Even though I have half-jokingly suggested excising J'mpok from the timeline as a solution to a whooooooole lot of problems.)
I'm not sure what Sela was talking about when she explained "It would destroy their minds" is a mindwipe so much as massive cerebral hemorrhaging.
I guess when the choices are Murder or Genocide you can't really win.
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"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
I'm not sure what Sela was talking about when she explained "It would destroy their minds" is a mindwipe so much as massive cerebral hemorrhaging.
I guess when the choices are Murder or Genocide you can't really win.
yes, she said that...and then a few dialogue lines later, she said they merely lose their memory of the intervening timeline
I can stomach memory loss.
I do kind of wonder if this isn't the first time it has happened to them. I have followed the line of thinking that the Iconians current actions are a response to the trauma of nearly having their race wiped out. Similar to the Octanti's feeling on the borg, just expanded to everyone not an iconian. It is possible that a unscrupulous time traveler is to blame for the mental changes to the current Iconians. I am still wondering if The One, or 0 is somehow to blame for all of this.
I'm not sure what Sela was talking about when she explained "It would destroy their minds" is a mindwipe so much as massive cerebral hemorrhaging.
I guess when the choices are Murder or Genocide you can't really win.
Possibly so. However, I could more easily accept something that held only the responsible individuals accountable, as opposed to potentially harming countless innocents in the process and paying a price so great it can't even be measured.
I'm not sure what Sela was talking about when she explained "It would destroy their minds" is a mindwipe so much as massive cerebral hemorrhaging.
I guess when the choices are Murder or Genocide you can't really win.
yes, she said that...and then a few dialogue lines later, she said they merely lose their memory of the intervening timeline
In typical time travel, you move from where you are into another spot in the normal timeline, in an instant. But what would happen if an Iconian spent an extended period of time outside of the timeline entirely?
This is similar to a concept I've worked with before in fanfic for the Devidians, that I have referred to as "temporophasic unmooring," but the difference is that Alyosha has the ability to conceptualize time in a way the Iconians cannot, and thus has at least some defense against it. However, at one point in the Masterverse stories, he was in very real danger from taking such a serious hit from a weapon that sent a huge burst of energy across the space-time continuum that he could well have been knocked completely out of temporal phase if not for anchoring himself via telepathy until enough of the shockwave passed.
While I think Alyosha might be able to survive being aboard the timeship though with a very severe vertigo-like effect (likely resulting in incapacitation until he could be brought back into temporal synch), I am not sure an Iconian could live through it or heal without serious repercussions, based on what was described, since they seem to have no compensatory systems or senses.
Totally headcanon theorizing, but it still intrigues me as a possibility that does not involve firing the timeship's main weapon.
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However, at one point in the Masterverse stories, he was in very real danger from taking such a serious hit from a weapon that sent a huge burst of energy across the space-time continuum that he could well have been knocked completely out of temporal phase if not for anchoring himself via telepathy until enough of the shockwave passed.
i assume you're referring to the god bomb unleashed by ngoc trung to seal the rift in the goralis system? by the way, what nationality is that name from? it seems vaguely vietnamese, but i'm no language expert
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"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
However, at one point in the Masterverse stories, he was in very real danger from taking such a serious hit from a weapon that sent a huge burst of energy across the space-time continuum that he could well have been knocked completely out of temporal phase if not for anchoring himself via telepathy until enough of the shockwave passed.
i assume you're referring to the god bomb unleashed by ngoc trung to seal the rift in the goralis system? by the way, what nationality is that name from? it seems vaguely vietnamese, but i'm no language expert
Yes, that's the incident I was thinking of.
If I recall, @patrickngo said Ngoc is Vietnamese in descent, though since he is from a colony world he could easily have other heritage in his background as well.
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We'll blow a hole in the side of the sphere... fire some Trilithium torpedos at the star... granted they might be destroyed... so we'll keep firing them in... watch the star explode... then get the hell out of the system before chuncks of a Dyson Sphere are scattered around sector space.
And the worst part is: We just were inside the sphere. And our best plan is "alter the timeline against all we stand for and without knowing the outcome". We even had the whole time travel thing with the delta recruits. And it did NOTHING to change anything. Hell, we could timetravel all we want with how our delta recruits traveled back or via slingshots and set some things right, like rescuing/evacuating the preservers.
But that would be common sense in this franchise, and we want 3rd-rate-ape-writing.
its either very bad writing or maybe a simulation put together based on the information our delta recruits were able to gain and from the small number of encounters we have had up to the point we arrive at the science station, although that's really murky, i would love to think there is a great twist and some great story, but that seems doubtful at this point. i still cant believe temporal intelligences position on this let alone the agents comment of 'as the vulcans say, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few' yes lets turn logic on its head and then try to rationalise using vulcan philosophy. now section 31, yeah totally i could imagi... where are section 31 in all this??
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
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A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
The sad thing is the ship is irrelevant, theres plenty of ways to time travel and defeat the iconians without REMOVING them from the timestream, and royally TRIBBLE up the universe.
A simple time travel mission going back to an earlier point of the war, Red Alert style makes far more sense.
That's also dangerous but nothing close to the TRIBBLE mess which is the krenim ship.
We did see one thing done with that ship that does NOT involve firing its main weapon, that I think has potential use. Sadly, I am doubting Cryptic will think outside the box enough to invoke it, but remember that in the episode, Annorax was able to beam Chakotay and Paris to his ship with his temporal shielding intact, meaning he was outside the normal timeline despite being visible on sensors. This means we could potentially do that to the Iconian council and excise their memories if not do a complete mindwipe. Nasty as heck, but certainly on a lesser order than using the time weapon. (Even though I have half-jokingly suggested excising J'mpok from the timeline as a solution to a whooooooole lot of problems.)
See, we don't even need to endanger the universe by building the timeship to do that, we just need to improve on the technology found in Time in a Bottle.
Are memories really that short that we don't remember the events of the previous FE?
no, TIMESHIP TIMESHIP, gotta use the TIMESHIP No other way!
ugh.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
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let me take a wild guess as to which of your characters is flying that dromias...alyosha?
#LegalizeAwoo
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"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Yes, although in my stories he still flies a Phoenix-class escort instead. Unlike a lot of people, escorts are just something I never took to flying.
Now that has real potential. Plus, the Undine theoretically have just as much reason to hold a grudge against the Iconians as we do. The Iconians dragged them out of isolation into a war with us on false pretenses, and evidence suggests that the Undine are rather more independent-minded and closer to our own mindset despite all their "The weak will perish!" rhetoric, than the Iconians.
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Well if you all join together you can.
Or ask the Voth or the frog guys for some underspace tech and just warp in to the star, give Karrigan a Trilithium vest and set him off.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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And the worst part is: We just were inside the sphere. And our best plan is "alter the timeline against all we stand for and without knowing the outcome". We even had the whole time travel thing with the delta recruits. And it did NOTHING to change anything. Hell, we could timetravel all we want with how our delta recruits traveled back or via slingshots and set some things right, like rescuing/evacuating the preservers.
But that would be common sense in this franchise, and we want 3rd-rate-ape-writing.
It was a particularly poor tease when we saw the Temporal Agent there at the research facility. What information of worth was given to the Delta Recruits, anyway? I never did see what the significance of that actually was.
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i figured...his bonding with that ship in those masterverse stories combined with your saying you have one was just way too much of a coincidence for it to have NOT been him
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"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
True. I still have the Chin'toka around, and I'll never get rid of it, but I stunk so horribly at flying it that getting another ship for game purposes was a big help. I just think too much like a science officer even when flying another ship class.
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Depending upon what is in effect "They'll immortal, thus they're stupid" as a plot point does not make a stupid plot into a smart one...
The worst part? We were the ones that ultimatly caused M'Tara to die + the Klingon Dude in the skirt.... So I'd be willing to bet... L'Miren / T'Ket will be watching us like an eagle...
Now... where did we go to directly from the Iconia System?
They'll watch us and be like "Wait a minute... Krenim!"
Then boom... T'Ket will send a stupidly oversized fleet up our TRIBBLE.
Only if they had a half-brain, and I believe Cryptic has well established that absolutely no one (including our own character) has as much as a tenth of one.
i feel the same way about the Conundrum, the wells my fed main flies; i'll never get rid of that unless a T6 version comes along - and if it does, it's more like i'm retrofitting rather than getting rid of it entirely
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
The sad thing is the ship is irrelevant, theres plenty of ways to time travel and defeat the iconians without REMOVING them from the timestream, and royally TRIBBLE up the universe.
A simple time travel mission going back to an earlier point of the war, Red Alert style makes far more sense.
That's also dangerous but nothing close to the TRIBBLE mess which is the krenim ship.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
I'm the same way with the Lexington. She started life as a standard free Sovereign class, got the Regent and "refit" the Lexington to Regent specs...
If a T6 comes out and I get that... Lexington's getting another refit. She currently is a T5U, but I've been flying my Phanton and Guardian a lot more lately.
Which would throw our noble 'we're fighting the noble fight against the Voth to protect the quadrant from the dangerous omega particles' right out the window. But hey, why should that stop us? It's not like we've ever bent the sacred prime directive before, oh noooo. Taking sides in a clearly internal affair between the vaduaar and koboli anyone? And this doesn't even begin to address the gross flagrant disregard to the teporal prime directive we're about to do by using a weapon that will create temporal genocide against races by erasing them from time.
Funny the justification one can make against doctrine when their back is against the wall. Suddenly it doesn't apply to 'us'.
as i recall, Red Alert's first ever time travel ended up making things FAR worse than in the original timeline (i assume you're referring to C&C Red Alert)
oh, it will be...but the prometheus, armitage and defiant are coming first
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I know, I hate it. I have enough for one, but love all three. A T6 Sovereign would make it easier for me though
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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We did see one thing done with that ship that does NOT involve firing its main weapon, that I think has potential use. Sadly, I am doubting Cryptic will think outside the box enough to invoke it, but remember that in the episode, Annorax was able to beam Chakotay and Paris to his ship with his temporal shielding intact, meaning he was outside the normal timeline despite being visible on sensors. This means we could potentially do that to the Iconian council and excise their memories if not do a complete mindwipe. Nasty as heck, but certainly on a lesser order than using the time weapon. (Even though I have half-jokingly suggested excising J'mpok from the timeline as a solution to a whooooooole lot of problems.)
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I'm not sure what Sela was talking about when she explained "It would destroy their minds" is a mindwipe so much as massive cerebral hemorrhaging.
I guess when the choices are Murder or Genocide you can't really win.
yes, she said that...and then a few dialogue lines later, she said they merely lose their memory of the intervening timeline
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An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I can stomach memory loss.
I do kind of wonder if this isn't the first time it has happened to them. I have followed the line of thinking that the Iconians current actions are a response to the trauma of nearly having their race wiped out. Similar to the Octanti's feeling on the borg, just expanded to everyone not an iconian. It is possible that a unscrupulous time traveler is to blame for the mental changes to the current Iconians. I am still wondering if The One, or 0 is somehow to blame for all of this.
Possibly so. However, I could more easily accept something that held only the responsible individuals accountable, as opposed to potentially harming countless innocents in the process and paying a price so great it can't even be measured.
In typical time travel, you move from where you are into another spot in the normal timeline, in an instant. But what would happen if an Iconian spent an extended period of time outside of the timeline entirely?
This is similar to a concept I've worked with before in fanfic for the Devidians, that I have referred to as "temporophasic unmooring," but the difference is that Alyosha has the ability to conceptualize time in a way the Iconians cannot, and thus has at least some defense against it. However, at one point in the Masterverse stories, he was in very real danger from taking such a serious hit from a weapon that sent a huge burst of energy across the space-time continuum that he could well have been knocked completely out of temporal phase if not for anchoring himself via telepathy until enough of the shockwave passed.
While I think Alyosha might be able to survive being aboard the timeship though with a very severe vertigo-like effect (likely resulting in incapacitation until he could be brought back into temporal synch), I am not sure an Iconian could live through it or heal without serious repercussions, based on what was described, since they seem to have no compensatory systems or senses.
Totally headcanon theorizing, but it still intrigues me as a possibility that does not involve firing the timeship's main weapon.
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i assume you're referring to the god bomb unleashed by ngoc trung to seal the rift in the goralis system? by the way, what nationality is that name from? it seems vaguely vietnamese, but i'm no language expert
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Yes, that's the incident I was thinking of.
If I recall, @patrickngo said Ngoc is Vietnamese in descent, though since he is from a colony world he could easily have other heritage in his background as well.
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Time to break out the tartar sauce, and clarified butter.
*whistles innocently* no comment
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
See, we don't even need to endanger the universe by building the timeship to do that, we just need to improve on the technology found in Time in a Bottle.
Are memories really that short that we don't remember the events of the previous FE?
no, TIMESHIP TIMESHIP, gotta use the TIMESHIP No other way!
ugh.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."