The sad thing is the ship is irrelevant, theres plenty of ways to time travel and defeat the iconians without REMOVING them from the timestream, and royally TRIBBLE up the universe.
A simple time travel mission going back to an earlier point of the war, Red Alert style makes far more sense.
That's also dangerous but nothing close to the TRIBBLE mess which is the krenim ship.
We did see one thing done with that ship that does NOT involve firing its main weapon, that I think has potential use. Sadly, I am doubting Cryptic will think outside the box enough to invoke it, but remember that in the episode, Annorax was able to beam Chakotay and Paris to his ship with his temporal shielding intact, meaning he was outside the normal timeline despite being visible on sensors. This means we could potentially do that to the Iconian council and excise their memories if not do a complete mindwipe. Nasty as heck, but certainly on a lesser order than using the time weapon. (Even though I have half-jokingly suggested excising J'mpok from the timeline as a solution to a whooooooole lot of problems.)
See, we don't even need to endanger the universe by building the timeship to do that, we just need to improve on the technology found in Time in a Bottle.
Are memories really that short that we don't remember the events of the previous FE?
no, TIMESHIP TIMESHIP, gotta use the TIMESHIP No other way!
ugh.
Not quite...what was being used on Kyana was a temporophasic shift of +.500 (compare to the Devidians' of +.004, which itself is enough to render them invisible), not complete immunity to the normal passage of time.
Something else appears to have been going on with Annorax, to explain how he and his crew went on making calculations for 200 years without aging. For that I suspect the ship is necessary, or at least would be to us since we don't know the technology that well, but I do think it would be possible to discover these alternate potentials in the building process. Nog, I suspect, would like to find an alternative.
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Not quite...what was being used on Kyana was a temporophasic shift of +.500 (compare to the Devidians' of +.004, which itself is enough to render them invisible), not complete immunity to the normal passage of time.
Not what I mean, I mean WE could use it to become invisible and gain a huge tactical advantage over the unsuspecting and incompetently arrogant Iconians.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Not quite...what was being used on Kyana was a temporophasic shift of +.500 (compare to the Devidians' of +.004, which itself is enough to render them invisible), not complete immunity to the normal passage of time.
Not what I mean, I mean WE could use it to become invisible and gain a huge tactical advantage over the unsuspecting and incompetently arrogant Iconians.
To be fair, "Incompetently arrogant" is a pretty common descriptor of our foes. The only ones that don't seem to be sticking their head in the sand when faced with their own mortality are Sela, and to a much lesser extant the mirror universe(They might be semi-competently arrogant.) Sela is going to end up being an issue one of these days. Seems that plotting evil schemes gives you the megalomaniac flu, something we should make sure the Krenim don't come down with.
Not quite...what was being used on Kyana was a temporophasic shift of +.500 (compare to the Devidians' of +.004, which itself is enough to render them invisible), not complete immunity to the normal passage of time.
Not what I mean, I mean WE could use it to become invisible and gain a huge tactical advantage over the unsuspecting and incompetently arrogant Iconians.
If that's the only use, a phasing cloak would do the same job with less work. Per TNG: The Pegasus, the Federation already has the technical and scientific resources to build and utilize such a device.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
Not quite...what was being used on Kyana was a temporophasic shift of +.500 (compare to the Devidians' of +.004, which itself is enough to render them invisible), not complete immunity to the normal passage of time.
Not what I mean, I mean WE could use it to become invisible and gain a huge tactical advantage over the unsuspecting and incompetently arrogant Iconians.
If that's the only use, a phasing cloak would do the same job with less work. Per TNG: The Pegasus, the Federation already has the technical and scientific resources to build and utilize such a device.
I think there are multiple definitions of phasing in Star Trek, that don't involve temporal slippage, so I am not sure that is the same thing. (For an explanation of that type of phasing, one of the official Trek novellas, Absent Friends, takes it on.)
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I guess in the end the solution will be to travel back to the Preserver Archive, save everyone or everything but the one guy that we saw getting killed (to preserve the timeline) and then use the knowledge in the archive to bring the Iconians to reason.
Maybe we also need to last-minute rescue T'Mara to fix the circle or something.
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I guess in the end the solution will be to travel back to the Preserver Archive, save everyone or everything but the one guy that we saw getting killed (to preserve the timeline) and then use the knowledge in the archive to bring the Iconians to reason.
Maybe we also need to last-minute rescue T'Mara to fix the circle or something.
I'm all for reasonable Iconians. From an expansion standpoint, the Iconians already have the ability to link the Milky Way and the Andromeda galaxies. Were the players on more favorable terms with them, any number of the spheres that the Iconians have could be used as a port of call and jumping point for exploration. It's a pipe dream I'm sure, but I really hate the idea of all the Iconian materials/Interiors/character models, being just for this arc and never seen again.
I guess in the end the solution will be to travel back to the Preserver Archive, save everyone or everything but the one guy that we saw getting killed (to preserve the timeline) and then use the knowledge in the archive to bring the Iconians to reason.
Maybe we also need to last-minute rescue T'Mara to fix the circle or something.
M'Tara.
And a normal time travel mission makes so much more sense. Sad it doesn't look like we'll get one,
(unless there's gonna be a plot twist which is what I dearly hope for)
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
1. The mission is all right, although a bit too easy (even with elite difficulty)
2. M'Tara's dialogue is weak. Her threats feel empty and dull
3. The Iconian threat does not feel severe enough (compares to Reapers in the Mass Effect universe, if you know what I mean)
well I can say Ive found two amusing moments in this episode... first, my Gorn now knows what Iconian tastes like, he got several good bites. Second, my Ferasan's martial arts skill is high enough to knock M'Tara's floating buttocks down on her back! I haven't even been able to pull that off on a harbinger.
well I can say Ive found two amusing moments in this episode... first, my Gorn now knows what Iconian tastes like, he got several good bites. Second, my Ferasan's martial arts skill is high enough to knock M'Tara's floating buttocks down on her back! I haven't even been able to pull that off on a harbinger.
i saw her get tangled up by a tripwire drone when i did it on my barabel facsimile earlier today
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Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
I choose to think M'Tara martyred herself. It seemed like the single spike legged Iconian wasn't on board with the whole plan until M'Tara died.
Perhaps some of the other Iconians aren't fully on board either.
I don't think M'Tara martyred herself. I think K'Tek pulled a Starscream on M'Tara and had her power sabotaged so she could run her Kill 'Em All show. M'Tara seemed to have the plan of "We're going to run these people ragged until they surrender". And I'm certain if M'Tara didn't lose her power, this plan would have worked. I think this attack was essentially the moment M'Tara was looking for.
But. K'Tek didn't like that. Since she showed up in "Blood of the Ancients", she's been one to want to kill TRIBBLE. And when Kahless cut off her arm, that desire grew three times that day. But M'Tara didn't like that. "Stick to the plan", she said. M'Tara needed to go and this was it.
Also.... The best secret weapon is one the enemy doesn't know about. IF we start using temporal shifts as a form of stealth in combat with the Heralds they'll learn about it FAST. Then they'll figure out a counter move. Then our great trump card will be useless.
I think there are multiple definitions of phasing in Star Trek, that don't involve temporal slippage, so I am not sure that is the same thing. (For an explanation of that type of phasing, one of the official Trek novellas, Absent Friends, takes it on.)
That was my point. If all the Krenim technology is going to be used for is stealth and invulnerability, then other forms of cloaking and phasing will be better, and will not result in any temporal accidents.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
So we go from a fat bragging Klingon who insists on a battle he shouldn't and then wastes his one shot he didn't even earn...
...to M'Tara who can't kill anybody but who despite the famous ability to travel anywhere at whim insists on trying again and again to the point of freakin' suicide. She doesn't even put up a serious fight against my character.
I swear, STO has the worst storylines of any MMO I've ever played and that's dunking under a rather low bar.
I have to agree, M'Tara is pretty dumb just repeating the same thing over and over. Oh well, the Whole will never be.
All of the storylines in STO are written like for a 6 year old, equally with the fesign of mini-games and puzzles.
I think, everyone who spends money on STO, deserves playing it ^^
I think there are multiple definitions of phasing in Star Trek, that don't involve temporal slippage, so I am not sure that is the same thing. (For an explanation of that type of phasing, one of the official Trek novellas, Absent Friends, takes it on.)
That was my point. If all the Krenim technology is going to be used for is stealth and invulnerability, then other forms of cloaking and phasing will be better, and will not result in any temporal accidents.
Not really since the Iconians can probably see through other forms with their amazing iconian magic technology.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Count 1 Iconian Roadkill. We're off to get some more. One of these days, we'll get the head of one to have stuffed as a trophy.
The real way to defeat them. Their gates are their only real significant advantage once the smoke and mirrors are cast aside.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Wonder if we will ever get Krenim Uniform I'd like that alot!
"My life spans millennia. Legions have risen to test me… My ascendance is inevitable. A day, a year, a millennium—it matters not. I hold the patience of stone and the will of stars. Your striving is insignificant. Let your death be the same."
So we go from a fat bragging Klingon who insists on a battle he shouldn't and then wastes his one shot he didn't even earn...
...to M'Tara who can't kill anybody but who despite the famous ability to travel anywhere at whim insists on trying again and again to the point of freakin' suicide. She doesn't even put up a serious fight against my character.
This was probably the worst FE ever, no offense. Not only was it extremely repetitive (endless chambers of disabling nodes), but M'Tara's behavior was beyond bizarre. Basically she just committed suicide, using up all her energy for, yeah, what exactly?! First we have a fat Klink pontificating about his impending victory, and then we have M'Tara, doing exactly the same, but then about her upcoming retreat. But then, instead of actually retreating, and calling it the day, she, like a wannabe Energy Bunny, decides to deplete her energy, after all, and then drops dead to the floor. LOL.
i wonder if they are anchored to their personal command ship? like a life line in time, they can travel anywhere, to and from the ship, but are totally dependant on its frame of reference while away from their home galaxy. if the ship were to be destroyed it would sever that link and cast the mind adrift completely.
i wonder if they are anchored to their personal command ship? like a life line in time, they can travel anywhere, to and from the ship, but are totally dependant on its frame of reference while away from their home galaxy. if the ship were to be destroyed it would sever that link and cast the mind adrift completely.
I think it far more likely the writers minds are adrift.
i wonder if they are anchored to their personal command ship? like a life line in time, they can travel anywhere, to and from the ship, but are totally dependant on its frame of reference while away from their home galaxy. if the ship were to be destroyed it would sever that link and cast the mind adrift completely.
If that were the case... Would you risk said ship and the Queen of Iconia? The moment we set foot on that ship. The Iconians should of flooded the corridors with Elachi and Herald forces.
i wonder if they are anchored to their personal command ship? like a life line in time, they can travel anywhere, to and from the ship, but are totally dependant on its frame of reference while away from their home galaxy. if the ship were to be destroyed it would sever that link and cast the mind adrift completely.
If that were the case... Would you risk said ship and the Queen of Iconia? The moment we set foot on that ship. The Iconians should of flooded the corridors with Elachi and Herald forces.
I would have done that anyway. When you only have twelve or so members of your race still around, and the Queen's life even by the slightest margin might be in danger, how many disposable henchmen lives is that worth? You can grow Elachi, so why not just send all of them?
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
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Not quite...what was being used on Kyana was a temporophasic shift of +.500 (compare to the Devidians' of +.004, which itself is enough to render them invisible), not complete immunity to the normal passage of time.
Something else appears to have been going on with Annorax, to explain how he and his crew went on making calculations for 200 years without aging. For that I suspect the ship is necessary, or at least would be to us since we don't know the technology that well, but I do think it would be possible to discover these alternate potentials in the building process. Nog, I suspect, would like to find an alternative.
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Not what I mean, I mean WE could use it to become invisible and gain a huge tactical advantage over the unsuspecting and incompetently arrogant Iconians.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
To be fair, "Incompetently arrogant" is a pretty common descriptor of our foes. The only ones that don't seem to be sticking their head in the sand when faced with their own mortality are Sela, and to a much lesser extant the mirror universe(They might be semi-competently arrogant.) Sela is going to end up being an issue one of these days. Seems that plotting evil schemes gives you the megalomaniac flu, something we should make sure the Krenim don't come down with.
If that's the only use, a phasing cloak would do the same job with less work. Per TNG: The Pegasus, the Federation already has the technical and scientific resources to build and utilize such a device.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
I think there are multiple definitions of phasing in Star Trek, that don't involve temporal slippage, so I am not sure that is the same thing. (For an explanation of that type of phasing, one of the official Trek novellas, Absent Friends, takes it on.)
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Maybe we also need to last-minute rescue T'Mara to fix the circle or something.
I'm all for reasonable Iconians. From an expansion standpoint, the Iconians already have the ability to link the Milky Way and the Andromeda galaxies. Were the players on more favorable terms with them, any number of the spheres that the Iconians have could be used as a port of call and jumping point for exploration. It's a pipe dream I'm sure, but I really hate the idea of all the Iconian materials/Interiors/character models, being just for this arc and never seen again.
M'Tara.
And a normal time travel mission makes so much more sense. Sad it doesn't look like we'll get one,
(unless there's gonna be a plot twist which is what I dearly hope for)
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
1. The mission is all right, although a bit too easy (even with elite difficulty)
2. M'Tara's dialogue is weak. Her threats feel empty and dull
3. The Iconian threat does not feel severe enough (compares to Reapers in the Mass Effect universe, if you know what I mean)
Personally, I think that is where STO is headed. For me, it's the logical next step.
i saw her get tangled up by a tripwire drone when i did it on my barabel facsimile earlier today
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Yeah sure they did and I have a level 14 Tribble of Borg that wipes out every Vadwaur with a single trilling.
Perhaps some of the other Iconians aren't fully on board either.
I don't think M'Tara martyred herself. I think K'Tek pulled a Starscream on M'Tara and had her power sabotaged so she could run her Kill 'Em All show. M'Tara seemed to have the plan of "We're going to run these people ragged until they surrender". And I'm certain if M'Tara didn't lose her power, this plan would have worked. I think this attack was essentially the moment M'Tara was looking for.
But. K'Tek didn't like that. Since she showed up in "Blood of the Ancients", she's been one to want to kill TRIBBLE. And when Kahless cut off her arm, that desire grew three times that day. But M'Tara didn't like that. "Stick to the plan", she said. M'Tara needed to go and this was it.
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That was my point. If all the Krenim technology is going to be used for is stealth and invulnerability, then other forms of cloaking and phasing will be better, and will not result in any temporal accidents.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
I have to agree, M'Tara is pretty dumb just repeating the same thing over and over. Oh well, the Whole will never be.
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Not really since the Iconians can probably see through other forms with their amazing iconian magic technology.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
The real way to defeat them. Their gates are their only real significant advantage once the smoke and mirrors are cast aside.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
There, fixed it for you
Ditto; fixed that to
This was probably the worst FE ever, no offense. Not only was it extremely repetitive (endless chambers of disabling nodes), but M'Tara's behavior was beyond bizarre. Basically she just committed suicide, using up all her energy for, yeah, what exactly?! First we have a fat Klink pontificating about his impending victory, and then we have M'Tara, doing exactly the same, but then about her upcoming retreat. But then, instead of actually retreating, and calling it the day, she, like a wannabe Energy Bunny, decides to deplete her energy, after all, and then drops dead to the floor. LOL.
I think it far more likely the writers minds are adrift.
If that were the case... Would you risk said ship and the Queen of Iconia? The moment we set foot on that ship. The Iconians should of flooded the corridors with Elachi and Herald forces.
I would have done that anyway. When you only have twelve or so members of your race still around, and the Queen's life even by the slightest margin might be in danger, how many disposable henchmen lives is that worth? You can grow Elachi, so why not just send all of them?
wrong; andromeda is 2.5 MILLION lightyears from the milky way, not billion, so you didn't fix anything
and you quoted the wrong person; themetalstickman made that statement, not qziqza
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"