then to add insult to injury... the dead can be subsumed into Elachi... providing them with more soldiers.
Assuming the Elachi are still about... which they should be as the last time we saw them a group of them attempted to mug us on the Herald Sphere...
and..
That's assuming they can convert the dead. (Think there was a line somewhere about them collecting dead bodies from a Cardassian ship)
The Elachi are still around but Cryptic forgot they exist and that they're servitors to the Iconians.
However, they don't get their new members from the dead. They catch them alive and turn them into mushrooms. That was the whole point of them abducting all those Romulans in the RRW story arc, as well as those tubes where they were being turned into Elachi fungi.
What if according to the story our character is not a trigger-happy moron, who unnecessarily provokes the Iconians, but rather a cold-blooded calculating scum bag After all these months of fighting, hundreds of destroyed spaceships and tens of thousands killed opponents - both in space and on the ground - started to grow on him/her. And constantly hanging out with Sela and her fancy ideas of handling things didn't help much either.
So he/she deliberately provokes the Iconians and Heralds to go on a killing genocidal rampage. The Iconians and Heralds entertain themselves with frying the Alliance planets and killing billions and billlions to avenge M'Tara. They get carried away by the undoubtedly pleasant task of eliminating the filthy vermin (aka the alliance races) from the face of the Galaxy, and thus the Alliance gets the time to finish the Deus ex Machina Timeship... at the expense of the lives of millions and millions of innocents.
Then - voila - use the Timeship and all this never happened. The ends justify the means, blah-blah-blah...
*Black humour mode off*
what scares me is I think there is a strong possibility you just nailed cryptic's plot.... -.-
then to add insult to injury... the dead can be subsumed into Elachi... providing them with more soldiers.
Assuming the Elachi are still about... which they should be as the last time we saw them a group of them attempted to mug us on the Herald Sphere...
and..
That's assuming they can convert the dead. (Think there was a line somewhere about them collecting dead bodies from a Cardassian ship)
The Elachi are still around but Cryptic forgot they exist and that they're servitors to the Iconians.
However, they don't get their new members from the dead. They catch them alive and turn them into mushrooms. That was the whole point of them abducting all those Romulans in the RRW story arc, as well as those tubes where they were being turned into Elachi fungi.
Actually.. I'm pretty sure the Elachi are not in a good position to be used in that capacity at this time. The Romulan version of Captain kills-em-all killed a LOT of Elachi.
Not "Broken Intelligence", but rather "Insulted Intelligence" - the mission insult both my intelligence and the intelligence of the characters involved.
Actually, I was mostly OK with the Iconian war plot development before that - it had some questionable moments, but there remained a possibility to sort them out further along the story.
And then we have "Circle of Idiots" befall on our heads - apparently for our sins.
In my view, the second worst of all time close after "Divide et Impera" (Hmmm, on the second thought maybe "Divide et Impera" WAS better, after all ). Cryptic removes parts of Romulan arc for "quality issues" and now gives us THIS.
The whole mission was a huge disappointment.
The plotline doesn't hold together and falls apart into loosely connected pieces.
The suicide attack of the Alliance Fleet on the Herald Sphere with unclear purposes...
The attack on the flagship with unclear purposes...
Boarding of the flagship with unclear purposes...
(It doesn't seem that we are trying to destroy it - actually, it could have been done by ships alone, we didn't need to beam down for THAT... And what the destruction of the ship will achieve anyway ? For all we know, Iconians can have another hundred of these dreadnoughts - it is not like it is some kind of Death Star or some other "you win" button piece of tech. And before we board the ship we don't even know that M'Tara is there)
Disabling the energy nodes to unknown ends...
And at last driving M'Tara to her death without a second thought about consequences...
(And our character knows enough to exactly predict, WHAT will just happen if she dies)
What is the POINT of what we are doing throughout the whole episode ?
It looks like the answer is that the whole plot of the episode is basically unimportant. Hence its logic slips, inconsistencies with the previous storyline, plot holes and overall plot falling apart. It doesn't have any value per se - it has one sole function, to fulfil which it was written.
Namely - to bring us to the point, when the use of the Time Weapon becomes unavoidable. "Oh look - our fleet is destroyed - we can't protect ourselves, we are defenseless. And those bad ebil Iconians are Iconians are out for our blood - they will kill us all" (Yeah, and remind me who is responsible for just that, distinguished Admiral (Dahar Master) Pinhead ? Maybe, you know, someone killed their leader and sent them into murderous rage - haven't your heard something about that? No ?). The needs of many... blah-blah-blah.
Basically, the whole episode is an advocacy for using the Timeship - to justify the violation of Temporal Prime Directive, to justify genocide against unique ancient intelligent species... To bring the plot to "us or them" junction. It pretends to address the concerns the players voiced in the discussion about this whole temporal shenanigans ... and miserably fails to do so.
And as the whole episode is just a mere function serving to connect two dots - "we in tough, but manageable situation" and "we are in deep-deep s... snow", hence its poor quality and logical fallacies.
It is the same story as with "Dust to Dust" over again. People started voicing concerns about Kobali cause being just, about their actions in respect of Vaadwaur in stasis. And lo and behold - we get the episode, which tells that Vaadwaur in the pods are mainly soldiers, that those" ebil bad guys" have thrown out most of their civilians out of the programme to put more soldiers into stasis, etc. So it is OK - or we are supposed to think that it is OK - for Kobali to keep them, where they are, and wait till they die to use the bodies for their own proliferation.
Though the overall quality of "Dust to Dust" was much higher of course - the justification part was done much more subtler and elegantly in that case.
i was going to reply to 4 or 5 different comments, but your header grabbed my attention and your comment pretty much echoes the sentiment in all the others. i think someone mentioned earlier, they have pretty much provided bright lights and voice overs? then added the simple byline 'that's just how it is, now, don't over think it, just accept it!'
ok this is sad... Star Trek: Alien Domain has just proven itself slightly better written than STO... both the Fed and Klink sides have your character upset and questioning a pointless war, and actions they deem "a simple pirate raid" you're ordered to do by your superiors.
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and it seems like the story is moving towards you working to stop said war.
It seemed like a pretty typical Klingon plan to me.... shoot first think about the consequences later. It's canon that Klingons are dumb enough to do stuff like that.
It seemed like a pretty typical Klingon plan to me.... shoot first think about the consequences later. It's canon that Klingons are dumb enough to do stuff like that.
No, no, you don't understand - it's not written by Cryptic, so it's 10000000x better than STO! /sarcasm
It seemed like a pretty typical Klingon plan to me.... shoot first think about the consequences later. It's canon that Klingons are dumb enough to do stuff like that.
Yeah, my Gorn and Ferasan both would like to snack on that particular Klingon >.<
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It seemed like a pretty typical Klingon plan to me.... shoot first think about the consequences later. It's canon that Klingons are dumb enough to do stuff like that.
Yep, definitely. Sadly, TNG really set the tone as soon as Q approached Worf with, "Hello, Microbrain, eat any good books lately?" No more Gorkons, Changs, or even Colonel Worfs to be found.
This is basically who the Klingons are now, and just as out of place (and not as humorous):
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What if according to the story our character is not a trigger-happy moron, who unnecessarily provokes the Iconians, but rather a cold-blooded calculating scum bag After all these months of fighting, hundreds of destroyed spaceships and tens of thousands killed opponents - both in space and on the ground - started to grow on him/her. And constantly hanging out with Sela and her fancy ideas of handling things didn't help much either.
So he/she deliberately provokes the Iconians and Heralds to go on a killing genocidal rampage. The Iconians and Heralds entertain themselves with frying the Alliance planets and killing billions and billlions to avenge M'Tara. They get carried away by the undoubtedly pleasant task of eliminating the filthy vermin (aka the alliance races) from the face of the Galaxy, and thus the Alliance gets the time to finish the Deus ex Machina Timeship... at the expense of the lives of millions and millions of innocents.
Then - voila - use the Timeship and all this never happened. The ends justify the means, blah-blah-blah...
*Black humour mode off*
what scares me is I think there is a strong possibility you just nailed cryptic's plot.... -.-
I can't say I'm scared about it, but I wrote elsewhere a similar idea. The 'it's all a dream' hyper-cliched cop off.
It was never going to live up to the hype, we can be honest here. But for the antagonists of the entire game up to this point...I think they deserved a more respectful exit.
What if according to the story our character is not a trigger-happy moron, who unnecessarily provokes the Iconians, but rather a cold-blooded calculating scum bag After all these months of fighting, hundreds of destroyed spaceships and tens of thousands killed opponents - both in space and on the ground - started to grow on him/her. And constantly hanging out with Sela and her fancy ideas of handling things didn't help much either.
So he/she deliberately provokes the Iconians and Heralds to go on a killing genocidal rampage. The Iconians and Heralds entertain themselves with frying the Alliance planets and killing billions and billlions to avenge M'Tara. They get carried away by the undoubtedly pleasant task of eliminating the filthy vermin (aka the alliance races) from the face of the Galaxy, and thus the Alliance gets the time to finish the Deus ex Machina Timeship... at the expense of the lives of millions and millions of innocents.
Then - voila - use the Timeship and all this never happened. The ends justify the means, blah-blah-blah...
*Black humour mode off*
The thing just is: if *we* have time to allot some resources towards developing a time-weapon (whilst being slaughtered in the billions), then surely the Iconians and their allies can set aside some teams to work on thwarting our efforts. Aka, there's no good reason to assume they'd devote 100% of all their resources to just blind revenge.
The thing just is: if *we* have time to allot some resources towards developing a time-weapon (whilst being slaughtered in the billions), then surely the Iconians and their allies can set aside some teams to work on thwarting our efforts.
The Iconians aren't even aware that the Krenim are still alive.
The thing just is: if *we* have time to allot some resources towards developing a time-weapon (whilst being slaughtered in the billions), then surely the Iconians and their allies can set aside some teams to work on thwarting our efforts.
The Iconians aren't even aware that the Krenim are still alive.
And yet it's hard to imagine these 'gods' not doing any counter-intelligence on us. Whilst allegedly extremely advanced, one of them commits suicide, for no apparent reason, other than to let herself be baited, and the rest just goes on an all-out attack, never even bothering to try and figure out what out plans are?! For a god-race, they are a bit of a let-down.
The thing just is: if *we* have time to allot some resources towards developing a time-weapon (whilst being slaughtered in the billions), then surely the Iconians and their allies can set aside some teams to work on thwarting our efforts.
The Iconians aren't even aware that the Krenim are still alive.
And yet it's hard to imagine these 'gods' not doing any counter-intelligence on us. Whilst allegedly extremely advanced, one of them commits suicide, for no apparent reason, other than to let herself be baited, and the rest just goes on an all-out attack, never even bothering to try and figure out what out plans are?! For a god-race, they are a bit of a let-down.
In that regard, Cryptic NAILED making it feel like Star Trek. In the TV shows there is a recurring theme with super-races..... super-arrogance. They don't bother trying to figure out why we do the things we do, to do so would mean sullying themselves by coming down to our level....
This Episode was indeed quite underwhelming. As so often in STO many good potential has been completely wasted. The Storyline had more plotholes than a swiss mountain cheese.
Why for christs sake does M'Tara even bother to fight with us on her on Turf, when she is capable of vaporizing us with a handwave like she did with the Klingon high council before? To make matters even worse, M'Tara seemed to be the only Iconian with a slight Chance for diplomacy an reasoning. But no, we had to go once again the U.S. of A. way with killing blindly and facing terrible consequences later. Even the fact that a Dreadnought in a size like this would go down by disabling 10 power couplings is quite lame. Luckily there is a ship sized interstellar reset button incoming to clean up all that mess.
Cryptic should consider hiring some foundry Story writers. They can do definately better as that what we've got now.
Anyway I think STO writers have a Janeway fetish tho. Violence is the question and the answer is always yes.
And we have the root of the problem. I don't feel like we've done anything in a thoughtful manner in this game. It feels mostly like we've just solved every problem with blowing thing 1 and 2 up. No discovery, no questioning of morality. I expect that reaction as a Klingon (though perhaps a question of honor should be raised). It feels like this entire game is a space/ground warfare simulator with a "Star Trek" costume on.
Why for christs sake does M'Tara even bother to fight with us on her on Turf, when she is capable of vaporizing us with a handwave like she did with the Klingon high council before?
I think the idea was that she actually tried, but couldn't, as we disabled too many power nodes.
To make matters even worse, M'Tara seemed to be the only Iconian with a slight Chance for diplomacy an reasoning. But no, we had to go once again the U.S. of A. way with killing blindly and facing terrible consequences later.
The strange part was her suicide. She even said she was about to retreat... then decides to deplete all her energy, after all, and drop dead to the floor. *boggle*
And what's with announcing her retreat to begin with?! Much like that fat, old Klingon pontificating about his upcoming victory, you *don't* go and make a big show about telling your enemy you're going to retreat now: you just do! Not enough power for her 'handy work'? Fine, zip out, and let your enemy be in suspense as to what your next move will be.
...in local news, a 7 year old has won a 'future young author' award. her detailed story about an alien civilisation from another galaxy, entitled 'Icon Draft 1', see's an alliance of species from our own galaxy, fighting what appears to be, a war for our very existence. a local, well known author, has described the story as gripping, and very trek...
...each character has been written in great detail and depth, you can almost feel how they do, think what they think, the story progresses seamlessly, i would have been happy writing this myself *laughs* i am really impressed, that it comes from a 7yr old.. well *laughs* that's just out of this world...
Why for christs sake does M'Tara even bother to fight with us on her on Turf, when she is capable of vaporizing us with a handwave like she did with the Klingon high council before?
I think the idea was that she actually tried, but couldn't, as we disabled too many power nodes.
To make matters even worse, M'Tara seemed to be the only Iconian with a slight Chance for diplomacy an reasoning. But no, we had to go once again the U.S. of A. way with killing blindly and facing terrible consequences later.
The strange part was her suicide. She even said she was about to retreat... then decides to deplete all her energy, after all, and drop dead to the floor. *boggle*
And what's with announcing her retreat to begin with?! Much like that fat, old Klingon pontificating about his upcoming victory, you *don't* go and make a big show about telling your enemy you're going to retreat now: you just do! Not enough power for her 'handy work'? Fine, zip out, and let your enemy be in suspense as to what your next move will be.
That's just it... Humans think that way, but the Iconians think they're above such petty concerns.
Why for christs sake does M'Tara even bother to fight with us on her on Turf, when she is capable of vaporizing us with a handwave like she did with the Klingon high council before?
I think the idea was that she actually tried, but couldn't, as we disabled too many power nodes.
To make matters even worse, M'Tara seemed to be the only Iconian with a slight Chance for diplomacy an reasoning. But no, we had to go once again the U.S. of A. way with killing blindly and facing terrible consequences later.
The strange part was her suicide. She even said she was about to retreat... then decides to deplete all her energy, after all, and drop dead to the floor. *boggle*
And what's with announcing her retreat to begin with?! Much like that fat, old Klingon pontificating about his upcoming victory, you *don't* go and make a big show about telling your enemy you're going to retreat now: you just do! Not enough power for her 'handy work'? Fine, zip out, and let your enemy be in suspense as to what your next move will be.
The Bond Villain Speech Syndrome. They haven't learned in 25th Century.
I just realized why L'Miren's actions seemed so bloody familiar!! Dlenn's reaction to the death of Dukhat in Babylon 5... her normal serene self was lost in a moment of pain and grief and she voted for genocidal war against the humans.
also nice to see that they where actually pushing for us to take accept their dominionship, rather than just destroy use, and its only this attack that killed T'Mara, that has them now change from military only attacks to inlcude cilvilain. we could really had done with that little snippet earlier, what does their dominian entail.. some of the other servitor races seem well happy, the wee dewans for a start.. so an option we are not consdering is asking for terms.. even just so we could say well ok, you may not be prepared to go down on 1 knee and hail 'whatnotdoodaa' ever time the pass and that, but i might consider if if they are benefially inclined dictstorship.
I just realized why L'Miren's actions seemed so bloody familiar!! Dlenn's reaction to the death of Dukhat in Babylon 5... her normal serene self was lost in a moment of pain and grief and she voted for genocidal war against the humans.
hopefully l'Miren finds her sheridan with who makes her glow or whatnot
I just realized why L'Miren's actions seemed so bloody familiar!! Dlenn's reaction to the death of Dukhat in Babylon 5... her normal serene self was lost in a moment of pain and grief and she voted for genocidal war against the humans.
hopefully l'Miren finds her sheridan with who makes her glow or whatnot
we cant kill them!!! Romulans have Iconian souls! And Iconians do NOT kill our own!
I'd completely forgotten that this new episode had been released. Played it for the first time last night. Lots of wreckage. Not sure if any of the Alliance races could recover from that many ships being lost. If the Krenim weapon works, the Alliance will be open to an attack from just about any incursion. They'll have to seriously band together just to help protect each other.
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They're too busy playing with their doctrine.
The Elachi are still around but Cryptic forgot they exist and that they're servitors to the Iconians.
However, they don't get their new members from the dead. They catch them alive and turn them into mushrooms. That was the whole point of them abducting all those Romulans in the RRW story arc, as well as those tubes where they were being turned into Elachi fungi.
what scares me is I think there is a strong possibility you just nailed cryptic's plot.... -.-
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and it seems like the story is moving towards you working to stop said war.
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No, no, you don't understand - it's not written by Cryptic, so it's 10000000x better than STO! /sarcasm
Yeah, my Gorn and Ferasan both would like to snack on that particular Klingon >.<
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Yep, definitely. Sadly, TNG really set the tone as soon as Q approached Worf with, "Hello, Microbrain, eat any good books lately?" No more Gorkons, Changs, or even Colonel Worfs to be found.
This is basically who the Klingons are now, and just as out of place (and not as humorous):
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I can't say I'm scared about it, but I wrote elsewhere a similar idea. The 'it's all a dream' hyper-cliched cop off.
It was never going to live up to the hype, we can be honest here. But for the antagonists of the entire game up to this point...I think they deserved a more respectful exit.
The thing just is: if *we* have time to allot some resources towards developing a time-weapon (whilst being slaughtered in the billions), then surely the Iconians and their allies can set aside some teams to work on thwarting our efforts. Aka, there's no good reason to assume they'd devote 100% of all their resources to just blind revenge.
And yet it's hard to imagine these 'gods' not doing any counter-intelligence on us. Whilst allegedly extremely advanced, one of them commits suicide, for no apparent reason, other than to let herself be baited, and the rest just goes on an all-out attack, never even bothering to try and figure out what out plans are?! For a god-race, they are a bit of a let-down.
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Why for christs sake does M'Tara even bother to fight with us on her on Turf, when she is capable of vaporizing us with a handwave like she did with the Klingon high council before? To make matters even worse, M'Tara seemed to be the only Iconian with a slight Chance for diplomacy an reasoning. But no, we had to go once again the U.S. of A. way with killing blindly and facing terrible consequences later. Even the fact that a Dreadnought in a size like this would go down by disabling 10 power couplings is quite lame. Luckily there is a ship sized interstellar reset button incoming to clean up all that mess.
Cryptic should consider hiring some foundry Story writers. They can do definately better as that what we've got now.
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The new "Tales of the war #14" says L'Miren's Heralds are going bat crazy.
And we have the root of the problem. I don't feel like we've done anything in a thoughtful manner in this game. It feels mostly like we've just solved every problem with blowing thing 1 and 2 up. No discovery, no questioning of morality. I expect that reaction as a Klingon (though perhaps a question of honor should be raised). It feels like this entire game is a space/ground warfare simulator with a "Star Trek" costume on.
I think the idea was that she actually tried, but couldn't, as we disabled too many power nodes.
The strange part was her suicide. She even said she was about to retreat... then decides to deplete all her energy, after all, and drop dead to the floor. *boggle*
And what's with announcing her retreat to begin with?! Much like that fat, old Klingon pontificating about his upcoming victory, you *don't* go and make a big show about telling your enemy you're going to retreat now: you just do! Not enough power for her 'handy work'? Fine, zip out, and let your enemy be in suspense as to what your next move will be.
...each character has been written in great detail and depth, you can almost feel how they do, think what they think, the story progresses seamlessly, i would have been happy writing this myself *laughs* i am really impressed, that it comes from a 7yr old.. well *laughs* that's just out of this world...
...more news at 10
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The Bond Villain Speech Syndrome. They haven't learned in 25th Century.
we cant kill them!!! Romulans have Iconian souls! And Iconians do NOT kill our own!
Sadly, that's exactly what STO is. The glorious "vision" of Cryptic.