You alter the omegas to make it more stable, you plant the bombs... and don't set them off?
Could easily have been like shutting down the station in Step Between Stars. You set the bombs off and then have to get out before the whole base goes up.
The fact the demo charges were seemingly ignored makes all of House Pegh look like utter incompetents. Or is this a bug/incomplete?
I'll start this one of my klingon. I hope the FE gives the klingon immersion which the name suggests.
I intentionally did my run with a Klingon and fortunately chose the Tac liberated Borg with a backstory as being in KDF Fleet Special Action Group which made the mission feel right. I don't know how to make this story feel right with a Fed or Rom toon.
i refer to the this FE as THE HOUSE OF MEH ,
why , its missing alot as far as delveopment ,
while i have no issue with the TRIBBLE Klingon women , ive never seen or heard of this kind of relationship in Klingon culture before . while we have seen it in other aspects in Trek cultures .
but back to the meat and potatoes of the Featured episode . the use of a Super Cloak is interesting the range is absurd IMO ,
dialog , once again the dialog doesnt suit the other factions , my KDF toon would have not taken those remarks from the Klingon security officer , im a general show me the respect pf my rank or get back handed . only Feds would let such words slide , Roms would have some retort .
the failure to address the other factions in responses to such thinks while there is some text content that does give a faction reaction its not complete , almost like the after thought or something that was intended left out .
the level design of the BASE was like WTH , doesn't meet like any other "iconian" Facility we have seen .
in short this felt like a Beginner foundry mission with cut scenes rather than a FE. IMO
If we're saying the couple has to be onscreen at the same time in game then it might only be, as was said, not Worf and not Jadzia on Risa. Then recently Neelix and Dexa. Neelix and his wife may be the best onscreen depiction of a heterosexual couple in action together. Requiring the couple to be onscreen together seems arbitrary to me though. We are generally talking to people at work "in the office" so to speak.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
IMO Kahless' monologue when he had the Iconian down should be retooled a bit. No reason he can't be saying those things during the battle.
If there would ever be a species that can effortlessly carry on a perfectly articulated conversation while dismembering a foe it should be the Klingons.
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I roughly played it to enjoy it and then quickly logged out before I was reminded of how bad things got that forced me to pick up a less headache of a game.
I feel that in their attempt to be politically correct, Cryptic not only invited controversy they also distracted and detracted from the story they were trying to tell. The death of Kahless at the hands of the Iconians.
I feel they also showed a lack of respect for the fact that the game is played by children as well as adults (rated T!) and this was an inappropriate subject to casually toss in.
I will say that it was at least not extremely overt and many children will miss it (as some of the adults did). But I feel parents have the right to be aware when things like this are brought up in a game context and not be blindsided by them.
I think when Star Trek had already dealt with the complications of gender with relationships in numerous theme TNG, DS9, and ENT episodes the subject being merely referenced now in STO has no objectionable significance. Yes, there are people who might find the mention of a subject that they personally feel strongly about uncomfortable but if you broaden that to all subjects in life that one might find discomforting you have the overall subject of race, religion, education, crime, resource distribution (wealth, water, medical care, what have you), capital punishment, death (more broadly), self-determination, and innumerable others that I won't mention here just so this doesn't invite innumerable tangents.
I don't think that any special significance needs to be placed on making LGBT issues taboo where other potentially contentious social issues are free to be incorporated into the public consciousness particularly given that the question (outside of your own personal belief system which it shouldn't need telling is up to you) unlike so many of the others I've mentioned is strictly down to social conventions that are specific to this time and this society. Its a facet of cultural evolution. You can't make an objective case against it.
That said I don't think that this mission places ANY special importance on "unusual" (for a fictitious alien species several hundred years in the future) nature the relationship between these officers. Its just there. One line, one series of dialog. All of that is background. The narrative focus and fulcrum is Kahless. His appearance, his fight, his futile but still symbolic death. Its quite a leap to interpret from that a controversial social point being exploited or otherwise exaggerated for the sake of drama (unlike the TNG, DS9, and ENT episodes referenced at the top where relationships were the explicit focus) given that it simply did not factor apart form that iota of background.
The most I think you can say is that STO just maintained a broader view of within-species social relations, which is simply true to life (and something that STAR TREK has every right to engage with.)
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in short this felt like a Beginner foundry mission with cut scenes rather than a FE. IMO
Beginner foundry missions created by blind 5 year olds would have been much better and more enjoyable than this craptastic offering.
More enemy ships patrolling at the start then when the outpost is on full alert and your bad a** "klingon" sneak force is running away leaving yellow trails behind them in space.
Stereotypes added for the sake of throwing them in there and to show just how intolerant both side of the aisle can be on the forums.
Dialog that just didn't fit the factions portrayed or interacted with.
SUPER ULTRA MEGA CLOAK!!!!!!!!! Yeah, couldn't have just given a temporary device, no had to make up something even J.J. would have fired a writer over.
Lazy use of a broken mini game in an attempt to add some action.
Critters melding with walls, lack of enemies (was there even a dozen?) in the base, and longer cutscenes than actual game play.
No ending just... there is a planet down there on high alert... um... hello... devs... did you forget something here???
Even the rewards are jacked up.
Specialization trait earned by players under 60 takes place of the next one earned at level up. So no bonus for you!
Maybe you should let the foundry guys do the next set of featured episodes. Just saying.
This game is supposed to be for all ages and anything sexual should be not have made it into the game.
But it wasn't sexual at all. They didn't kiss, they didn't hug, they didn't do anything suggestive.
It only came up once, in one sentence.
If they were to remove the one line that said "her mate" you wouldn't have even known any different. There was nothing outside that line that suggested they were a 'couple'
Her 'mate' was a little protective, but they could have just been best friends or something.
My biggest hope out of all this mess is that the Devs, writers and PWE do not back track on this groundbreaking addition to the game to do so would only pamper to the minority while excluding the group of people who for one praise this addition.
I do have a question though was the VO for Kahless the same as the one from TNG? sounds like it.
i refer to the this FE as THE HOUSE OF MEH ,
why , its missing alot as far as delveopment ,
while i have no issue with the TRIBBLE Klingon women , ive never seen or heard of this kind of relationship in Klingon culture before . while we have seen it in other aspects in Trek cultures
Most certainly. If had been a Human or a Romulan TRIBBLE/TRIBBLE couple, It wouldn't surprise me. For some reason, it doesnt feel like it would fall in place in a Klingon society. They dont seem as open to it.
In no way will I allow something that goes against these forums, or one of the most important things Star Trek can teach us. We can grow as human beings, else we wouldn't have progressed to the point where we are.
I am not allowing any more naming and shaming in this thread. Bannings are going to happen.
So roughly if someone says something you personally do not like even if it isn't actually ban worthy Star Trek has taught you that we should silence them immediately if they do not agree with you. I agree very much with your logic or wherever this logic originates
So roughly if someone says something you personally do not like even if it isn't actually ban worthy Star Trek has taught you that we should silence them immediately if they do not agree with you. I agree very much with your logic or wherever this logic originates
Disagreement and flaming are two entirely different concepts. You can't justify the latter by hiding under the guise of the former.
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So roughly if someone says something you personally do not like even if it isn't actually ban worthy Star Trek has taught you that we should silence them immediately if they do not agree with you. I agree very much with your logic or wherever this logic originates
Naming and shaming IS against the rules. So is trolling, flaming, and all other manners of impoliteness that have been thrown around in this thread.
And she wasn't just warning those who disagree with the inclusion of a TRIBBLE couple, she was warning BOTH sides, because certain individuals on BOTH sides have acted very poorly here.
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Ditto.
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As long as they refrain from making such things as sexual orientation and other such things from being the highlight and focal point of a mission, I will be able to over look those things that I find offensive.
I can live with anybody living the way they want to as long as they don't force it to be a focal point my interactions with them. As long they remain respectful to me, so I will be to them.
The bit peice put in this mission over the two klingon ladies I would have missed if not for somebody pointing it out here on the forums. And that is doing it right, in my book. It adds depth to those who seek it, but it's not forced upon those who don't need or want it. That part is well done.
I am very disappoint that the mission "failed" even though I placed a spatial charge on one of those generators. And assuming that House Pegh placed the charge at the other generator, we should of at least blown the two generators and partially crippled that stations efforts.
And they also have tossed the whole legend of the Sword of Kahless out the door. That is very wrong too. And a complete disservice to the Klingon Culture.
Other than those things, the mission was quick and at least goal oriented. So I like it for those things.
But it wasn't sexual at all. They didn't kiss, they didn't hug, they didn't do anything suggestive.
It only came up once, in one sentence.
If they were to remove the one line that said "her mate" you wouldn't have even known any different. There was nothing outside that line that suggested they were a 'couple'
Her 'mate' was a little protective, but they could have just been best friends or something.
Dead horse beaten down already multiple times. It has been mentioned by at least half a dozen people.
Regardless, just because something is technically allowed, this does not mean it should be added.
The one thing we can all agree on is that LGBT relations are controversial (if this is warranted or not is a discussion for another time/place) and anybody could have seen in advance that people would find it offensive.
When you know this then the wisdom of adding a LGBT couple can be questioned.
Personally i feel this addition of the relationship was unnecessary for the storyline, distracting and inflammatory /provocative. Overall poor judgement on the addition.
If this was meant as support for the LGBT rights then i feel the gesture has backfired due to the cesspool in this topic.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
The one thing we can all agree on is that LGBT relations are controversial
Since when do we all agree on that?
(if this is warranted or not is a discussion for another time/place) and anybody could have seen in advance that people would find it offensive.
When you know this then the wisdom of adding a LGBT couple can be questioned.
I'm offended all Iconians are evil, as well as offended by the "planet of hats" trope, where everyone on a planet has the same behavior, same mentality, same goals in life.
Someone is bound to be offended by something, no matter what.
Personally i feel this addition of the relationship was unnecessary for the storyline, distracting and inflammatory /provocative. Overall poor judgement on the addition.
But it's not even a major plot point. Remove one word. One single word and nobody would have cared. But because there is a "mate" in the dialogue, some people got triggered.
If I were John Spartan, I'd say:
"Somebody, put me back in the fridge..."
What if it had been something even more controversial like a transgendered individual flaunting their new identity - like we see with many trills? Oh, we've seen it already. There's some interesting episodes for All to consider on DS9 especially. Also with Beverly in TNG. I'm trying to think of any trill npcs in game but am drawing blank. I wonder if mirror Kira's love for Kira counts also?
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
If you insist: "Since everybody but saurializard agrees that..."
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
Personally i feel this addition of the relationship was unnecessary for the storyline, distracting and inflammatory /provocative. Overall poor judgement on the addition.
More and more TV Shows and movies are including them without being a central point to a story. It is becoming more common place. I didn't find it distracting at all.
How is it distracting? It is only brought up once in the entire mission, and it is mentioned as casually as saying B'ELanna is married to Tom, or that Worf is a a Klingon. It isn't a plot point, it isn't the central focus of the story.
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You alter the omegas to make it more stable, you plant the bombs... and don't set them off?
Could easily have been like shutting down the station in Step Between Stars. You set the bombs off and then have to get out before the whole base goes up.
The fact the demo charges were seemingly ignored makes all of House Pegh look like utter incompetents. Or is this a bug/incomplete?
I intentionally did my run with a Klingon and fortunately chose the Tac liberated Borg with a backstory as being in KDF Fleet Special Action Group which made the mission feel right. I don't know how to make this story feel right with a Fed or Rom toon.
i refer to the this FE as THE HOUSE OF MEH ,
why , its missing alot as far as delveopment ,
while i have no issue with the TRIBBLE Klingon women , ive never seen or heard of this kind of relationship in Klingon culture before . while we have seen it in other aspects in Trek cultures .
but back to the meat and potatoes of the Featured episode . the use of a Super Cloak is interesting the range is absurd IMO ,
dialog , once again the dialog doesnt suit the other factions , my KDF toon would have not taken those remarks from the Klingon security officer , im a general show me the respect pf my rank or get back handed . only Feds would let such words slide , Roms would have some retort .
the failure to address the other factions in responses to such thinks while there is some text content that does give a faction reaction its not complete , almost like the after thought or something that was intended left out .
the level design of the BASE was like WTH , doesn't meet like any other "iconian" Facility we have seen .
in short this felt like a Beginner foundry mission with cut scenes rather than a FE. IMO
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
PURE AND SIMPLE - -
It is JUST A GAME.
Just enjoy the story and MOVE ON
I loved the episode.
I however, DID NOT, dwell on anything political or otherwise.
It's just A STORY, and a great one at that
If there would ever be a species that can effortlessly carry on a perfectly articulated conversation while dismembering a foe it should be the Klingons.
I think when Star Trek had already dealt with the complications of gender with relationships in numerous theme TNG, DS9, and ENT episodes the subject being merely referenced now in STO has no objectionable significance. Yes, there are people who might find the mention of a subject that they personally feel strongly about uncomfortable but if you broaden that to all subjects in life that one might find discomforting you have the overall subject of race, religion, education, crime, resource distribution (wealth, water, medical care, what have you), capital punishment, death (more broadly), self-determination, and innumerable others that I won't mention here just so this doesn't invite innumerable tangents.
I don't think that any special significance needs to be placed on making LGBT issues taboo where other potentially contentious social issues are free to be incorporated into the public consciousness particularly given that the question (outside of your own personal belief system which it shouldn't need telling is up to you) unlike so many of the others I've mentioned is strictly down to social conventions that are specific to this time and this society. Its a facet of cultural evolution. You can't make an objective case against it.
That said I don't think that this mission places ANY special importance on "unusual" (for a fictitious alien species several hundred years in the future) nature the relationship between these officers. Its just there. One line, one series of dialog. All of that is background. The narrative focus and fulcrum is Kahless. His appearance, his fight, his futile but still symbolic death. Its quite a leap to interpret from that a controversial social point being exploited or otherwise exaggerated for the sake of drama (unlike the TNG, DS9, and ENT episodes referenced at the top where relationships were the explicit focus) given that it simply did not factor apart form that iota of background.
The most I think you can say is that STO just maintained a broader view of within-species social relations, which is simply true to life (and something that STAR TREK has every right to engage with.)
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Beginner foundry missions created by blind 5 year olds would have been much better and more enjoyable than this craptastic offering.
More enemy ships patrolling at the start then when the outpost is on full alert and your bad a** "klingon" sneak force is running away leaving yellow trails behind them in space.
Stereotypes added for the sake of throwing them in there and to show just how intolerant both side of the aisle can be on the forums.
Dialog that just didn't fit the factions portrayed or interacted with.
SUPER ULTRA MEGA CLOAK!!!!!!!!! Yeah, couldn't have just given a temporary device, no had to make up something even J.J. would have fired a writer over.
Lazy use of a broken mini game in an attempt to add some action.
Critters melding with walls, lack of enemies (was there even a dozen?) in the base, and longer cutscenes than actual game play.
No ending just... there is a planet down there on high alert... um... hello... devs... did you forget something here???
Even the rewards are jacked up.
Specialization trait earned by players under 60 takes place of the next one earned at level up. So no bonus for you!
Maybe you should let the foundry guys do the next set of featured episodes. Just saying.
But it wasn't sexual at all. They didn't kiss, they didn't hug, they didn't do anything suggestive.
It only came up once, in one sentence.
If they were to remove the one line that said "her mate" you wouldn't have even known any different. There was nothing outside that line that suggested they were a 'couple'
Her 'mate' was a little protective, but they could have just been best friends or something.
Also the game is rated T for 'Teen'
http://www.esrb.org/ratings/synopsis.jsp?Certificate=28315
Not all ages.
I do have a question though was the VO for Kahless the same as the one from TNG? sounds like it.
Most certainly. If had been a Human or a Romulan TRIBBLE/TRIBBLE couple, It wouldn't surprise me. For some reason, it doesnt feel like it would fall in place in a Klingon society. They dont seem as open to it.
So roughly if someone says something you personally do not like even if it isn't actually ban worthy Star Trek has taught you that we should silence them immediately if they do not agree with you. I agree very much with your logic or wherever this logic originates
Disagreement and flaming are two entirely different concepts. You can't justify the latter by hiding under the guise of the former.
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Naming and shaming IS against the rules. So is trolling, flaming, and all other manners of impoliteness that have been thrown around in this thread.
And she wasn't just warning those who disagree with the inclusion of a TRIBBLE couple, she was warning BOTH sides, because certain individuals on BOTH sides have acted very poorly here.
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That was cute.
Also, I want one of those mek'leths some of the Klingon party had as their melee weapon.
Ditto.
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Well, you the player are still human, you don't know the conversion rate.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
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I don't think so, I'm watching TNG: Rightful Heir right now, his voice in game is too Deep.
I can live with anybody living the way they want to as long as they don't force it to be a focal point my interactions with them. As long they remain respectful to me, so I will be to them.
The bit peice put in this mission over the two klingon ladies I would have missed if not for somebody pointing it out here on the forums. And that is doing it right, in my book. It adds depth to those who seek it, but it's not forced upon those who don't need or want it. That part is well done.
I am very disappoint that the mission "failed" even though I placed a spatial charge on one of those generators. And assuming that House Pegh placed the charge at the other generator, we should of at least blown the two generators and partially crippled that stations efforts.
And they also have tossed the whole legend of the Sword of Kahless out the door. That is very wrong too. And a complete disservice to the Klingon Culture.
Other than those things, the mission was quick and at least goal oriented. So I like it for those things.
KDF: Dahar Master Kan (Borg Klingon Tactical)::Dahar Master Torc (Alien Science)::Dahar Master Sisteric (Gorn Engineer)
RR-Fed: Citizen Sirroc (Romulan Science)::Fleet Admiral Grell (Alien Engineer)
RR-KDF: Fleet Admiral Zemo (Reman Tactical)::Fleet Admiral Xinatek (Reman Science)::Fleet Admiral Bel (Alien Engineer)
TOS-Fed: Fleet Admiral Katem (Andorian Tactical)::Lieutenant Commander Straad (Vulcan Engineer)
Dom-Fed: Dan'Tar (Jem'Hadar Science)
Dom-KDF: Kamtana'Solan (Jem'Hadar Science)
CoHost of Tribbles in Ecstasy (Zombee)
Dead horse beaten down already multiple times. It has been mentioned by at least half a dozen people.
Regardless, just because something is technically allowed, this does not mean it should be added.
The one thing we can all agree on is that LGBT relations are controversial (if this is warranted or not is a discussion for another time/place) and anybody could have seen in advance that people would find it offensive.
When you know this then the wisdom of adding a LGBT couple can be questioned.
Personally i feel this addition of the relationship was unnecessary for the storyline, distracting and inflammatory /provocative. Overall poor judgement on the addition.
If this was meant as support for the LGBT rights then i feel the gesture has backfired due to the cesspool in this topic.
I'm offended all Iconians are evil, as well as offended by the "planet of hats" trope, where everyone on a planet has the same behavior, same mentality, same goals in life.
Someone is bound to be offended by something, no matter what.
But it's not even a major plot point. Remove one word. One single word and nobody would have cared. But because there is a "mate" in the dialogue, some people got triggered.
If I were John Spartan, I'd say:
"Somebody, put me back in the fridge..."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
If you insist: "Since everybody but saurializard agrees that..."
Whoops, I didn't notice how old the post was.
More and more TV Shows and movies are including them without being a central point to a story. It is becoming more common place. I didn't find it distracting at all.
How is it distracting? It is only brought up once in the entire mission, and it is mentioned as casually as saying B'ELanna is married to Tom, or that Worf is a a Klingon. It isn't a plot point, it isn't the central focus of the story.