As do most sensible actions and activities a person does in life. You point?
Is there anything you find offensive in the video that you might want us to tell?
I did not find anything offensive. It is just a game.
I could not finish the video. After seeing you pull off such a pug like move I stopped and had a good chuckle.
Finally. This was kind of an A,B moment and you felt some need to C your way in. Curse of an open forum and all that. Oh yes, the part you quoted.
"Most space pvp is pretty much the same thing so why do they need more than one map? I can count out their tactics and movements better I can do NPCs."
Odds are there is a few that go against the grain but most players have patterns that make the NPCs look like HAL-9000
maybe if people weren't so busy making 30+ pages of posts about how it was clearly a joke and there's no way cryptic could or would do something like this on redshirt, they could have gotten on earlier and enjoyed it more.
This thread was posted today, after redshirt was taken down. So how, exactly, does people posting in this thread affect what they did yesterday before this thread was created?
I could not finish the video. After seeing you pull off such a pug like move I stopped and had a good chuckle.
Your writings in this thread show that PvP in STO goes way over your head. And you aren't even aware of it, basically answering with "NOTHING goes over my head!... My reflexes are too fast"
Fun stuff! xD
You're right that some people I encountered in PvP had more in common with NPCs than with actual thinking human beings. I bet you were one of those people.
I gotta go to work now, but by all means, keep up the crazy. I'm looking forward checking this thread when I'm back.
I can count out their tactics and movements better I can do NPCs."
Odds are there is a few that go against the grain but most players have patterns that make the NPCs look like HAL-9000
You talk about PUG arena matches or premade matches? Cuz I heavily doubt you have the slightest idea what dynamics and strats happen in premade matches. Sure you start with some standart pattern to test out your opponent and find a weak spot. If you (believe to) find it, that's where the real game begins. Did they fake a weak spot? Are they tricking us? Can they adapt if we exploit that weak spot...and so on
There are equip switches, counter starts, counter counter strats and adapting happening every couple of seconds in such matches. If it was really that simple for you, I wonder why your leaderboard records tell a completely different story. Looking at them tell me that you had no clue at all what you were doin... :rolleyes:
Can we have the thread title changed to make it clear it devolved into a PvP discussion thread rather than a discussion over having nostalgia tinted screens for an ancient version of the game?
I'll give you that one. More maps aren't really needed, it's just a "nice to have" thing...
You talk about PUG arena matches or premade matches? Cuz I heavily doubt you have the slightest idea what dynamics and strats happen in premade matches. Sure you start with some standart pattern to test out your opponent and find a weak spot. If you (believe to) find it, that's where the real game begins. Did they fake a weak spot? Are they tricking us? Can they adapt if we exploit that weak spot...and so on
There are equip switches, counter starts, counter counter strats and adapting happening every couple of seconds in such matches. If it was really that simple for you, I wonder why your leaderboard records tell a completely different story. Looking at them tell me that you had no clue at all what you were doin... :rolleyes:
In my first post about it I did say I was mostly talking about pugs.
About this whole strats stuff, don't really know. Never really digged into it. STO's PvP scene is pretty toxic.
Edited:You have pretty much gone full Smash Bros. You turned what should have been a simple fun game into work. THIS is why you lot are so mad and want all the gear now without working for it. Got it
Now the part about my leaderboard records, I don't know where they are and I'm willing to wager they are old as dirt.
In my first post about it I did say I was mostly talking about pugs.
About this whole strats stuff, don't really know. Never really digged into it. STO's PvP scene is pretty toxic.
Edited:You have pretty much gone full Smash Bros. You turned what should have been a simple fun game into work. THIS is why you lot are so mad and want all the gear now without working for it. Got it
Now the part about my leaderboard records, I don't know where they are and I'm willing to wager they are old as dirt.
It wasn't always toxic... and I will admit to not really pvping anymore, however I'm sure most of the vets that still bother are not toxic at all if your on a team with them, or talking to them in opvp or what not.
It has gotten more and more toxic sure... cause the game has become less and less PvP friendly.
That's why this is all pointless for the most part. Cryptic simply isn't the type of developer that has ever been good at helping develop there community. They have never really supported PvP on company time. Sure we have had some very cool Devs over the last 5 years that would (on there own time) mix it up with players in PVP, even jump on Vents and TS servers for an evening of PvP fun. A few of them have even (also in there own time) fixed a few PvP related bugs here and there cause they did care enough to do it. Sadly it was always on there own time.
Had Cryptic from day one decided to make PvP a priority... they could have another group of loyal customers. Perhaps at some point they would have seperated the mechanics of PvE and PVP... or perhaps they would have done a better job of making sure the 2 co existed. They would have went out of there way to do more then just publish the odd guest blog ect. They made the choice to abandon that side of the game to focus on the RP crowd long ago. A good chunk of the toxicity can be traced to the way the clearly aim Junk at PvP (in terms of items and skills ect) for sale... with out ever really doing anything positive. They have been very clear they have wanted our money... they simply didn't want to invest in the game. (just think about what 90% of the click consoles do... and ask yourself... if all you did was PVE would you buy this. Ditto for a good portion of the DOFFs, traits and even ships. Things that stun and scrabble ect... or Blackhole creation tools that have cool downs that mean you can use it once in an STF... these are created to milk PvP).
Anyway... now I'm just ranting. o7 Not sure why I'm bothering I get my PvP fix elsewhere at this point and I doubt I would come back even if they did a massive PvP patch. I log in to STO now and then to fly around in some trek ships and blow borg up as fast as I can... I'm happy doing that for free a few times a month. My PvP time and $ are spoken for now.
Uh, no. It's not NEARLY that easy to put these things together.
This was actually a ton of work to get this old build functioning on our servers. And even then, we had to disable chat and a bunch of other stuff.
There's no way we'd dedicate server space full time to an old build, let alone support it in anyway.
It was a fun gag for a day or two, but that's about all we could reasonably do.
Sorry. . .
Thanks for the official response. I'm unhappy, but now that I have a dev response, I can live with it. (And I personally am still enjoying Holodeck, for what it's worth.)
Very, very unfunny joke, though. I don't even mean "grr, I'm offended, that's not funny". I mean... where's the humor? Seriously. I don't see how this was supposed to be funny.
And getting to play an exploration cluster again makes me miss them even more, now. Imma change my sig back to that Picard quote protesting their removal.
Also worth mentioning: With all the low-level characters currently on Holodeck, low-level PvP has made something of a comeback. And it is fun. I'm not good at it (haven't made serious efforts to PvP in years, so I'm a little rusty... not that I was ever that good to begin with, lol), but it's fun. And the reason it's fun is because the P2W and grind-necessity is kept to a minimum. When I got a kill, I did so because of skill and teamwork; when I died, it was because I either screwed up, or did my best and just got outplayed. That is what PvP should be. Not about spamming P2W bullcrap and having full reps/spec trees/whatever.
And that, to be honest, was what I was most excited for from Rebirth, and it was the other reason I hoped it would stay up. (And I'm not even that much of a PvPer, so that should tell you something!)
Like I said, I will continue to play Holodeck. The Delta Recruit system is freaking fun and I intend to get all the rewards I can from it (and I'm an altoholic anyway, so, y'know). I need the devs to understand this, though: When we say we want Rebirth back, we are not saying that we miss the lack of content, the old terrible ship models, the wonky (or rather wonkier) pre-S4 ground gameplay, the horrendous original skill tree, the glaringly inaccurate costumes, or the gaudy-looking sector space. We're saying that, while STO has seen lots of additions and improvements over the years (improvements which I, personally, tend to love), it's also lost some essential parts of its appeal.
Namely:
- Exploration
- PvP based on players' skills, not on characters' "skills"
- Not dumping my boffs from their stations every third map change or so
PSA: Rose Tyler is a Starfleet Dental Academy cadet who has constantly flunked due to being a terrible, awful person who doesn't have any kind of grasp of reality. Quite obviously a great source of PvP or games in general.
you get that nostalgia shard in and i will be all over that, forget all the recent advances for sto if you like, i never saw the point in any of it. if there were a nostalgia shard i would be there all the time.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
PSA: Rose Tyler is a Starfleet Dental Academy cadet who has constantly flunked due to being a terrible, awful person who doesn't have any kind of grasp of reality. Quite obviously a great source of PvP or games in general.
I wish I could join Dental but they banned me out of their channel because I was too much of a troll for them
it won't die, because it's in star trek-shape. that's what keeps it alive. the "higher-up-the-food-chain" people know that. so they literally do what they want without having to spend too many thoughts on quality-impacts they might generate. cause it will survive anyway. this impression grew from experience.
That was a decision made much higher up the food chain. If I had to guess, I'd say it's two fold. 1) It was an April Fool's joke. April Fool's being a single day. Generally you don't keep those jokes going after April 1. And 2) Delta Recruiting starting yesterday. We don't want to cannibalize players that might be starting recruits, by having them play an old build that's just going to be taken down anyway.
*cough*... so why are things like anniversary events up then for several days more? also, the only one-day event that comes to mind is the halloween episode. one episode.... in comparison to a whole build... in comparison to single-mission events running for weeks... and they bring up a chart many want, just to shut it down after one day? why it's not made an event? inconsistency is strong with this game.
no offence taco, but it's obvious on so many corners meeeeh
Uh, that's a bit of a leap. Just because we're not going to be running a 5 year old build as a separate PVP shard, doesn't mean that PVP will never see an update. . .
tbh, that's a comment like: "the sun won't shine forever". well, it won't. but probably the entire human race will be space-dust by then anyway :rolleyes:.
or, to quote my st 30 anniversary longsleeve ^^: "to know the future is to experience the past." no hope for sto pew evaa! even if they came now with a pew-season (lmao!), they'd TRIBBLE it anyway... :mad:
From myself personally I think you can't speak for everyone as I currently enjoy the game so. . . .
And that graph proves what lol to me it looks like summit you just knocked up on excel lol
yea he made that in excel. *facepalm*
Hilbert is the person who made the pvp leaderboard ...you know the one that cryptic never put in game .You on the other hand are one useless pve hero which pumps money into cryptic chinese p2w games.
In this thread pve community again show how toxic are they, the worst hatefull players i've encountered.
for antisocial roleplayers everyone is toxic ...thats why this game has max 5k players and other games have 100k or more.It aims at antisocial people with no life and easy to milk money from.Those who want to have fun in game and not be sociopathic left long time ago.
Ofcourse.Number 1 roleplayer in the game....no need for fun when you can have kiddy stuffs and his "star trek with dinosaurs" .He made a game for 4-5 thousands players ....the rest have to wait for a star trek game .
good thing about this is that after sto is done the only thing he will ever design is his cartboard enterprise....but I'm sure STO is not something to put on a resume lol
Hilbert is the person who made the pvp leaderboard ...you know the one that cryptic never put in game .You on the other hand are one useless pve hero which pumps money into cryptic chinese p2w games.
for antisocial roleplayers everyone is toxic ...thats why this game has max 5k players and other games have 100k or more.It aims at antisocial people with no life and easy to milk money from.Those who want to have fun in game and not be sociopathic left long time ago.
I've spent about £50 on the game in the last 4 years so. . . Hardly pumping money into the game am I.
And I'm not a hero of the game, far from it.
I just enjoy playing the game and as far as pvp goes I've never touched it mainly because it's boring it's not what this game is about.
If you and others find it fun then so be it but hey ho. .
Wow, usually when I see you posting, your posts are really objective, friendly and well thought. Seeing you post this litte Geko joke makes it very clear how disappointed and pissed you really are. But, well, I feel the same...
@Taco:
If you read this, I'm not talking about "you art guys". You are the one who finds the time to communicate with the players and I always loved your teams designs and artwork. It's just a shame I can't enjoy 'em any longer cuz the rest of the dev team messes it up every time. Feels like they have no respect for your work or Star Trek in general.
Tell me just 1 positive impact their "limited resources" had since Season 9.5!
boff overhaul.... galaxy overhaul.... well done command ships.... the story actually gets moved forward... an EP who's not a certified moron.... ah well: you already have decided to hateeverthing and everyone.
I have been here since early start and open beta.
I have palyed the old STo.
I
DO NOT
WANT THAT
THING back.
I want ASPECTS of it back in improved and overhauled form.
Exploration, deep space encounters, diplomacy etc.
boff overhaul.... galaxy overhaul.... well done command ships.... the story actually gets moved forward... an EP who's not a certified moron.... ah well: you already have decided to hateeverthing and everyone.
I have been here since early start and open beta.
I have palyed the old STo.
I
DO NOT
WANT THAT
THING back.
I want ASPECTS of it back in improved and overhauled form.
Exploration, deep space encounters, diplomacy etc.
so you like exactly that broke the game.Congrats...the game is made for you and 4-5k people .
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I did not find anything offensive. It is just a game.
I could not finish the video. After seeing you pull off such a pug like move I stopped and had a good chuckle.
Finally. This was kind of an A,B moment and you felt some need to C your way in. Curse of an open forum and all that. Oh yes, the part you quoted.
"Most space pvp is pretty much the same thing so why do they need more than one map? I can count out their tactics and movements better I can do NPCs."
Odds are there is a few that go against the grain but most players have patterns that make the NPCs look like HAL-9000
Its like saying Hockey is boring cause it always every single time starts with a puck drop at center ice. BORING. lol
Its hard to explain how good STO PvP can be if they have never experienced an actual good match.
This thread was posted today, after redshirt was taken down. So how, exactly, does people posting in this thread affect what they did yesterday before this thread was created?
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
edited:I like STO's PvP. Most of what I remember of STO is fighting against other players but it does not change the facts.
I had a snarky reply loaded but I thought it would be crass so better to let facts speak
Even funnier: the people raging about the other people raging
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Your writings in this thread show that PvP in STO goes way over your head. And you aren't even aware of it, basically answering with "NOTHING goes over my head!... My reflexes are too fast"
Fun stuff! xD
You're right that some people I encountered in PvP had more in common with NPCs than with actual thinking human beings. I bet you were one of those people.
I gotta go to work now, but by all means, keep up the crazy. I'm looking forward checking this thread when I'm back.
You talk about PUG arena matches or premade matches? Cuz I heavily doubt you have the slightest idea what dynamics and strats happen in premade matches. Sure you start with some standart pattern to test out your opponent and find a weak spot. If you (believe to) find it, that's where the real game begins. Did they fake a weak spot? Are they tricking us? Can they adapt if we exploit that weak spot...and so on
There are equip switches, counter starts, counter counter strats and adapting happening every couple of seconds in such matches. If it was really that simple for you, I wonder why your leaderboard records tell a completely different story. Looking at them tell me that you had no clue at all what you were doin... :rolleyes:
In my first post about it I did say I was mostly talking about pugs.
About this whole strats stuff, don't really know. Never really digged into it. STO's PvP scene is pretty toxic.
Edited:You have pretty much gone full Smash Bros. You turned what should have been a simple fun game into work. THIS is why you lot are so mad and want all the gear now without working for it. Got it
Now the part about my leaderboard records, I don't know where they are and I'm willing to wager they are old as dirt.
It wasn't always toxic... and I will admit to not really pvping anymore, however I'm sure most of the vets that still bother are not toxic at all if your on a team with them, or talking to them in opvp or what not.
It has gotten more and more toxic sure... cause the game has become less and less PvP friendly.
That's why this is all pointless for the most part. Cryptic simply isn't the type of developer that has ever been good at helping develop there community. They have never really supported PvP on company time. Sure we have had some very cool Devs over the last 5 years that would (on there own time) mix it up with players in PVP, even jump on Vents and TS servers for an evening of PvP fun. A few of them have even (also in there own time) fixed a few PvP related bugs here and there cause they did care enough to do it. Sadly it was always on there own time.
Had Cryptic from day one decided to make PvP a priority... they could have another group of loyal customers. Perhaps at some point they would have seperated the mechanics of PvE and PVP... or perhaps they would have done a better job of making sure the 2 co existed. They would have went out of there way to do more then just publish the odd guest blog ect. They made the choice to abandon that side of the game to focus on the RP crowd long ago. A good chunk of the toxicity can be traced to the way the clearly aim Junk at PvP (in terms of items and skills ect) for sale... with out ever really doing anything positive. They have been very clear they have wanted our money... they simply didn't want to invest in the game. (just think about what 90% of the click consoles do... and ask yourself... if all you did was PVE would you buy this. Ditto for a good portion of the DOFFs, traits and even ships. Things that stun and scrabble ect... or Blackhole creation tools that have cool downs that mean you can use it once in an STF... these are created to milk PvP).
Anyway... now I'm just ranting. o7 Not sure why I'm bothering I get my PvP fix elsewhere at this point and I doubt I would come back even if they did a massive PvP patch. I log in to STO now and then to fly around in some trek ships and blow borg up as fast as I can... I'm happy doing that for free a few times a month. My PvP time and $ are spoken for now.
Thanks for the official response. I'm unhappy, but now that I have a dev response, I can live with it. (And I personally am still enjoying Holodeck, for what it's worth.)
Very, very unfunny joke, though. I don't even mean "grr, I'm offended, that's not funny". I mean... where's the humor? Seriously. I don't see how this was supposed to be funny.
And getting to play an exploration cluster again makes me miss them even more, now.
Also worth mentioning: With all the low-level characters currently on Holodeck, low-level PvP has made something of a comeback. And it is fun. I'm not good at it (haven't made serious efforts to PvP in years, so I'm a little rusty... not that I was ever that good to begin with, lol), but it's fun. And the reason it's fun is because the P2W and grind-necessity is kept to a minimum. When I got a kill, I did so because of skill and teamwork; when I died, it was because I either screwed up, or did my best and just got outplayed. That is what PvP should be. Not about spamming P2W bullcrap and having full reps/spec trees/whatever.
And that, to be honest, was what I was most excited for from Rebirth, and it was the other reason I hoped it would stay up. (And I'm not even that much of a PvPer, so that should tell you something!)
Like I said, I will continue to play Holodeck. The Delta Recruit system is freaking fun and I intend to get all the rewards I can from it (and I'm an altoholic anyway, so, y'know). I need the devs to understand this, though: When we say we want Rebirth back, we are not saying that we miss the lack of content, the old terrible ship models, the wonky (or rather wonkier) pre-S4 ground gameplay, the horrendous original skill tree, the glaringly inaccurate costumes, or the gaudy-looking sector space. We're saying that, while STO has seen lots of additions and improvements over the years (improvements which I, personally, tend to love), it's also lost some essential parts of its appeal.
Namely:
- Exploration
- PvP based on players' skills, not on characters' "skills"
- Not dumping my boffs from their stations every third map change or so
/10chars
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
who watches the watchmen? and who watch these watchers?
i think you should rethink your logic there about haters you hater :P.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I wish I could join Dental but they banned me out of their channel because I was too much of a troll for them
answers in red
yea he made that in excel. *facepalm*
Hilbert is the person who made the pvp leaderboard ...you know the one that cryptic never put in game .You on the other hand are one useless pve hero which pumps money into cryptic chinese p2w games.
for antisocial roleplayers everyone is toxic ...thats why this game has max 5k players and other games have 100k or more.It aims at antisocial people with no life and easy to milk money from.Those who want to have fun in game and not be sociopathic left long time ago.
Ofcourse.Number 1 roleplayer in the game....no need for fun when you can have kiddy stuffs and his "star trek with dinosaurs" .He made a game for 4-5 thousands players ....the rest have to wait for a star trek game .
good thing about this is that after sto is done the only thing he will ever design is his cartboard enterprise....but I'm sure STO is not something to put on a resume lol
I've spent about £50 on the game in the last 4 years so. . . Hardly pumping money into the game am I.
And I'm not a hero of the game, far from it.
I just enjoy playing the game and as far as pvp goes I've never touched it mainly because it's boring it's not what this game is about.
If you and others find it fun then so be it but hey ho. .
Wow, usually when I see you posting, your posts are really objective, friendly and well thought. Seeing you post this litte Geko joke makes it very clear how disappointed and pissed you really are. But, well, I feel the same...
@Taco:
If you read this, I'm not talking about "you art guys". You are the one who finds the time to communicate with the players and I always loved your teams designs and artwork. It's just a shame I can't enjoy 'em any longer cuz the rest of the dev team messes it up every time. Feels like they have no respect for your work or Star Trek in general.
Tell me just 1 positive impact their "limited resources" had since Season 9.5!
True, but it can always get worse.
Splitting what little we have with another shard......
It's almost like the genius behind this stupid 120 second thing.
boff overhaul.... galaxy overhaul.... well done command ships.... the story actually gets moved forward... an EP who's not a certified moron.... ah well: you already have decided to hateeverthing and everyone.
I have been here since early start and open beta.
I have palyed the old STo.
I
DO NOT
WANT THAT
THING back.
I want ASPECTS of it back in improved and overhauled form.
Exploration, deep space encounters, diplomacy etc.
"What little we have" - true thing. Adding anorther shard isn't splitting that in my opinion. It'd be more like "adding what we lost".
so you like exactly that broke the game.Congrats...the game is made for you and 4-5k people .
Tier 6 iconic ships?
Vaudwaar costume options?
Ships that can do barrel rolls, or was that pre-9.5?
you really needed that to kill npcs.