But even if the Galaxy was an amazing ship, she's still vastly outdated just like my beloved Refit Enterprise from TMP and TWOK.
It all comes down to players wanting their iconic ships being competitive with the new brand being shown off in the game. A player should not have to accept a poorly spec'd ship because of the developer's opinion or biased for or against the ships from the series.
As for your 23rd Century fav's, those have been discussed repeatedly and (supposedly) denied for any advancement to end-game content viability (though some use to use these for fun in the old end-game content).
A better Galaxy in a rebranded default skin is still possible and players can redress it to the old style. It is the player's game, so let them play the way that is fun (and that has multiple meanings).
It all comes down to players wanting their iconic ships being competitive with the new brand being shown off in the game. A player should not have to accept a poorly spec'd ship because of the developer's opinion or biased for or against the ships from the series.
As for your 23rd Century fav's, those have been discussed repeatedly and (supposedly) denied for any advancement to end-game content viability (though some use to use these for fun in the old end-game content).
A better Galaxy in a rebranded default skin is still possible and players can redress it to the old style. It is the player's game, so let them play the way that is fun (and that has multiple meanings).
No, not really. Players would accept the Galaxy in it's current state if it wasn't so blatantly surpassed in every way by ships that were shown time and time and time and time again to be inferior to it. If the game had an honest tier system, and you could only use Cryptic specials at endgame. If the Excelsior and Ambassador and Vor'Cha, and Galor were properly balanced as things a Galaxy could curbstomp as easily as it could in the show.
The problem is - the Galaxy is given to us weaker then ships decades or nearly a century older then it - when no matter how you look at it in, the Galaxy's design was to be upgraded to current tech every 20 years - actually designed to be upgraded. Should the Geneva and Odyssey be superior? Absolutely. Should the Galaxy be surpassed by things that were decade old rustbuckets before she was even a pencil sketch? No.
You k ow this argument has been piping up off and on for the last 5 years. With the same examples and explanations appearing on both sides without much variation.
The guardian is a rebranded revamped galaxy so no need to ask for one.
A t5 and up Connie I totally possible if it were just based on the Exeter.
The excelsior was probably the first ship to be canonically modular, being built as a test bed for an engine meant to go faster than any before also gives it a canonically superior hull since it was over engineered. Meaning it has a longer life span than most.
The average life span of most ships is usually around 80 years with some exceptions for specific designs.
The ambassador is only in game because it was an anniversary reward and can only be has at t5 from a fleet. Putting it in the realm of lockbox ships in terms of explanation.
Specific episodes or realm the series on general are poor examples of what something is supposed to be capable of since the are examples of face rolling and exploding for no reason. The writers were never very good at consistency and tended to modify deflector pulses to fix every thing.
And realm with these new t6 ships and specializations soon everything fleet or t5 will be obsolete, and you wont have to worry about being competitive with your galaxy because you wont be anyway.
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the guardian is not a galaxy you can not use the galaxy consoles on it or the skins. it;s also physically smaller then the galaxy model
and the excelsior having a superior hull? tell that tot he ones that where popping like grapes in the dominon war when looked at funny. they where only slightly better then the mirandas
in canon the galaxy is said to be the first modual starfleet design to fit any mission profile as soon as an excelsior was built it was locked into the mission profile until it was scrapped. the galaxy could be swapped out per mission
Well, I'll be damned. I was about to post that you were completely wrong but then I found a mention of it on page 130 of the TNG TM on my second reading. My bad.
The Oddy saucer also gets GW3 and its own set of workbees if you have the three-piece set equipped.
Sorry, my bad, I should have included a citation but I was a bit short on time so I just posted from memory. Usually I have my TMs reay when posting in threads like these
Gw3, really? The main ship can't slot that. So a pet doesn't need to make snese at all, I guess...
You k ow this argument has been piping up off and on for the last 5 years. With the same examples and explanations appearing on both sides without much variation.
The guardian is a rebranded revamped galaxy so no need to ask for one.
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No, the Guardian is a rebranded, revamped Ambassador. It even uses parts of the original Ambassador design (especially the neck and engineering hull). It also comes much closer to the support cruiser in it's layout and function, plus it cannot use the Galaxy consoles (although it's supposed to get the separation console at one point).
A T6 Galaxy would keep the CMDR and LTC engineering seats, have one command hybrid LT (probably tac), a LT sci and a lt uni, just like the pathfinder.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
But even if the Galaxy was an amazing ship, she's still vastly outdated just like my beloved Refit Enterprise from TMP and TWOK.
Hardly.
That's just some hooey spouted by writers/directors who need newer, sleeker ship designs to compensate for their lack of talent, and the apparent one Galaxy blind-hater (you're literally the first I've come across).
Anyone else is just trying to create their own canon.
Move the IP 70+ years into the future, and then we can talk about how the Galaxy is outdated blah-blah-blah.
What an ignominious end to 1701-D; crushed under the weight of that fat-TRIBBLE, Shatner.
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That's just some hooey spouted by writers/directors who need newer, sleeker ship designs to compensate for their lack of talent, and the apparent one Galaxy blind-hater (you're literally the first I've come across).
Anyone else is just trying to create their own canon.
Move the IP 70+ years into the future, and then we can talk about how the Galaxy is outdated blah-blah-blah.
What an ignominious end to 1701-D; crushed under the weight of that fat-TRIBBLE Shatner.
Shatner didn't decide to have the Enterprise get pwned by an outdated bop, commanded by the klingon bimbo sisters....
Shatner didn't decide to have the Enterprise get pwned by an outdated bop, commanded by the klingon bimbo sisters....
no bean counters did original script had a vor'cha but they where going over budget so they ripped out every BoP scene from the undiscovered country. every scene with the BoP is from that movie
In another thread, someone complained about the Galaxy class in game being a "gimped Titanic" and wanted a better one. That sentiment is one I've seen a lot, with people who grew up on TNG having an attachment to that ship and wanting it to be made as a viable endgame ship if not THE main flagship as it was lo those decades ago when TNG was still on the air. My reply to him was as follows:
A "gimped Titanic" is EXACTLY what the Galaxy class should be. It was a fragile, bloated, overly luxurious space cruise liner built in a time of unprecedented peace and woefully unprepared for any form of challenging duty. The Enterprise-D was destroyed by a freaking B'Rel, for crites sake, and virtually every other one ever seen on screen was also blown to bits. It was rightly replaced by the Sovereign class which was a superior ship in every way, andeven that is no longer a front-line vessel in the current STO timeline though I wouldn't mind seeing a decent refit for endgame that could be like the old Excelsior refit that stuck along past it's prime because it was such a good base design.
The Guardian class is the 2410 successor to the Ambassador / Galaxy design lineage. Perhaps it should have a different shaped deflector dish and pylon options to bring out a little more of the Galaxy aesthetic for those who want that, but no to an endgame Galaxy. It's out of date just like the Constutution and Galaxy whining should go on the FCT list just like the endgame Connie.
Now I won't deny I hate the Galaxy and have from the first moment I laid eyes on it in 1987. I feel it's hideously ugly and the design principles both inside and out were misguided at best. I grew up on TOS, but I immediately recognized the Constitution refit as vastly superior to the original and the Excelsior as better still. I fell in love with the Sovereign at first sight as it corrected virtually every design mistake made with Galaxy and restored grace and beauty to the Enterprise line.
But even if the Galaxy was an amazing ship, she's still vastly outdated just like my beloved Refit Enterprise from TMP and TWOK. Time moves on and beloved ships get outdated and replaced by modern designs. That's how it works. It happens to cars too. Why can't some people accept that and move on from the Galaxy, especially when the Guardian exists to represent the Ambassador / Galaxy design lineage in the modern setting?
The Connie did not get an update, the excelsior did not get an update, the ambassador class did not get an update, neither has the galaxy or sovvie nor even that oddy. none of them are t6. these lines of ship class are done for. i do agree the galaxy class saucer section is ridiciously too big and far too forward with the neck at the back and the smaller engineering section below that, but this absurd ship elements are not an issue in space though where gravity does not have much effect.
If the guardian is the TNG of heavy cruiser flagship material design you are hoping for then the ent-f would transfer its record, name and service to the guardian as the Ent-g but that would be a waste of a perfectly good oddy though.
i have underlined the quote within a quote because to counter this easily is if the person who watched generations actually took the effort to hear and see the storyline unfold as to how the ent-d was destroyed, or what happened to the yamato.
the ent-d was destroyed not because it was fragile of over-bloated with useless features, but because the duras sisters had planted a device in la forge's visor that found the frequency the ent-d has set on their shields. in effect the b'rel stood a small chance of success in defeating the ent-d along with a sneak attack.
The yamato was destroyed because of an iconian virus picked up from a probe that was scanning the ship. it caused a catastropic reaction the warp core that was highly unlikely to happen.
the various other galaxy class ships were destroyed in combat during the dominion war, the oddy was destroyed because starfleet had no data on the dominion ships and they did try to adapt, but a kamikaze run was the end of that ship, and those defeated during the war was mostly because the artists on the show didnt have the money to add the shields. so there can't be an opinion on every other ship.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
not a single galaxy was destroyed in the dominon war stated by the FX guys and the producers as D type starships. the only one that got close was the USS Galaxy when it took an orbital canon to the engineering hull but it was later seen in the response fleet list in nemesis so it got better
and even then the uss galaxy took out the orbital cannon wile the excelsior got blown to bits by the same one. the other galaxies shown on screen where one shotting galors and producing covering fire. basically being used as siege weapons to break the dominon fleets lines. and they succeeded. there was even a full wing of galaxies in DS9
I don't know - I have to say, I sort of hope that this isn't the case - they don't need EVERY canon character, who we saw an alternate future for, to actually wind up living almost the exact same life as they were seen to have in their alternate future.
Granted, there are a few differences, but Worf has wound up as an Ambassador, estranged from Starfleet just as he did in 'All Good Things' and Harry Kim has wound up as Captain of the USS Rhode Island, just as he did in 'Endgame'. As I said, I hope that they don't continue this trend - they seem to have missed the point of it being an 'alternate' timeline.
I think it makes sense. Nothing in STO follows established canon anyway and since we have all the alternate reality ships in the game they can just as well explain a lot of those oddities in-game away with "it's the alternate timeline"...
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Just because it was one possible future doesn't mean there arent more possible futures with similar outsomes. And really the only thing in all good things that changed was the anomoly and Picards reactions through history, no reason for the other events to not take place since the singularity didnt really interact with anyone else.
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And really the only thing in all good things that changed was the anomoly and Picards reactions through history, no reason for the other events to not take place since the singularity didnt really interact with anyone else.
You mean other than the E-D being destroyed, and the E-E built?
One would assume that would have some bearing on future events.
You mean other than the E-D being destroyed, and the E-E built?
One would assume that would have some bearing on future events.
The existance of the Dreadnaught Cruiser in STO is really a problem. From the episode's dialogue we can deduct that the "Galaxy-X" was not a class of ships-of-the-line in the portrayed future but was really a unique refit specifically made for the Ent-D personally supervised by Admiral Riker. With the Ent-D being destroyed there is no reason for the "Dreadnaught Cruiser" to exist. Back in the days when this ship was a reward for bringing in new subscribers that was not a problem as it was a gimmick for a few players to have. When STOs continuity made it a regular class of ships though it became a continuity problem.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
No, it isn't. The Samsar has a lieutenant commander science slot, an engi/command hybrid LCDR slot, and a universal ensign. The Gal-R has none of those. The only thing that's the same is the console layout.
More Ambassador in handling and boff layout I's say
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-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
I don't know - I have to say, I sort of hope that this isn't the case - they don't need EVERY canon character, who we saw an alternate future for, to actually wind up living almost the exact same life as they were seen to have in their alternate future.
Granted, there are a few differences, but Worf has wound up as an Ambassador, estranged from Starfleet just as he did in 'All Good Things' and Harry Kim has wound up as Captain of the USS Rhode Island, just as he did in 'Endgame'. As I said, I hope that they don't continue this trend - they seem to have missed the point of it being an 'alternate' timeline.
Actually, in the path to 2409 they told us where most of the Trek characters are in 'this' timeline - and some of the changes are kind of interesting. Chakotay leading Starfleet Intelligence, for example. Naomi Wildman runs Deep Space K7, Miles O'Brien is the head of the SCE.
The existance of the Dreadnaught Cruiser in STO is really a problem. From the episode's dialogue we can deduct that the "Galaxy-X" was not a class of ships-of-the-line in the portrayed future but was really a unique refit specifically made for the Ent-D personally supervised by Admiral Riker. With the Ent-D being destroyed there is no reason for the "Dreadnaught Cruiser" to exist. Back in the days when this ship was a reward for bringing in new subscribers that was not a problem as it was a gimmick for a few players to have. When STOs continuity made it a regular class of ships though it became a continuity problem.
I wonder if there isn't a department in Starfleet that does nothing but go through log files on temporal anomalies and try to scrounge data from it. It could very well be that Picard mentioned the Galaxy-X and that was used as springboard for further research.
I mean, in the end, even if Riker could choose his own flagship - the modifications were not hand-made by him - so there is someone in Starfleet that could pull this off, and for all we know, it was one of many possible retrofit/refit options proposed by Starfleet Engineering - it wasn't at all sure it would be made, but hearing about a future in where this project was actually used succesful could have influenced the decision.
That said - theoretically every player in this game could fly a Jem'Hardar ship, but we can't really take this to imply it's a "regular" ship. A player ship still may be a "one-off". Of course, it breaks immersion a bit ,but there is just no immersive/believable Star Trek timeline in where we'd fly around with adapted ships from other species on a regular basis, while Starfleet is still churning out its own models.
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Well, here's my 2 cents. The galaxy, Connie, Miranda, ect are old and therfore it is unrealistic for them to perform as well as current ships.
HOWEVER, Cryptic's great wisdom has turned the area around earth space dock into a random assortment of Dominion, Breen, Cardassian, Species 8472, Voth, Vaudwar, Kobali, Ferengi, etc etc ships all commanded by Starfleet officers ... so so really cares if a ship is too old anymore?
I'd honostly rather see a Tier 6 NX-01 than another enemy alien vessel.
The miranda, Excelsior and Galaxy classes seem to be work horse ships as of 2409-10, the connie has long been retired from front line service.
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-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
You still miss the point that that was 50 years ago in game. Since then the Sovereign, Odyssey, Avenger, Guardian, and Eclipse have all been made. Those ships should be superior, thus placing the Galaxy at the middle of the pack and not at the cutting edge. There should be no T6 Galaxy unless it's a retro skin on an all-new ship like the optional Intrepid skin on the Pathfinder.
No, you seem to miss the point, but it's allright because it's obvious by now even to a blind person that you're trolling because of some childhood/early adulthood trauma caused by some TNG fans back in 1987.
You don't have a point in-universe, you don't have a point out of universe and you don't have a point even regarding STO's own canon. You only have a tantrum you're throwing here and that's about it.
Oh no? Then please explain to me why Galaxy should be equal or superior to Odyssey, Avenger, Eclipse, or Guardian. Can you even give a single good reason?
The single good reason. The Excelsior and Ambassador are as good as or superior to the the Odyssey and Avenger. T5U Ambassador is almost as good as the Guardian. The Eclipse can't be compared - it's a niche ship and there's no other Federation cruiser with the intel module.
So if two ships older and inferior to the Galaxy can be as good/better then 'top of the line' - then why can't the Galaxy?
No one is asking for the Galaxy to be a 5/5/5 console ship with 5 commander universal stations. Most of us simply want the ensign engineer made universal. If we ever get a T6 upgrade - copy the Pathfinder except with an engineering slant. All we want is a Galaxy that doesn't require a build that's a patch away from an exploit to be usable.
You can only upgrade a ship so far before its no longer feasible. It's like a PC. I could upgrade this, that and everything else that's in the case, but eventually the TRIBBLE holes, rear slots and vents won't be in the right place for new parts and I'll have to get a new one.
You can only upgrade a ship so far before its no longer feasible. It's like a PC. I could upgrade this, that and everything else that's in the case, but eventually the TRIBBLE holes, rear slots and vents won't be in the right place for new parts and I'll have to get a new one.
... um idk what your talking, but I'm still using the case to a computer i got in 2000, and everything still fits when i upgrade it ... several new mobos and power supplies, no problems
You can only upgrade a ship so far before its no longer feasible. It's like a PC. I could upgrade this, that and everything else that's in the case, but eventually the TRIBBLE holes, rear slots and vents won't be in the right place for new parts and I'll have to get a new one.
Actually STO itself completely throws that out the window. This is from the zen store.
After Starfleet starships were converted to a modular design, a group from the Starfleet Corps of Engineers working at Utopia Planitia wondered if vessels from the Federation's past could be constructed in this manner. Working with Federation historian Geoffrey Pacelli, the SCE officers chose the famed NX Class for reconstruction. The NX Class Starship Replica sports the classic look of Earth's starships from the 22nd century, but has been updated with modern technology to meet current Starfleet specifications
Ergo - an NX can be built to top end gear - so anything else can be too.
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It all comes down to players wanting their iconic ships being competitive with the new brand being shown off in the game. A player should not have to accept a poorly spec'd ship because of the developer's opinion or biased for or against the ships from the series.
As for your 23rd Century fav's, those have been discussed repeatedly and (supposedly) denied for any advancement to end-game content viability (though some use to use these for fun in the old end-game content).
A better Galaxy in a rebranded default skin is still possible and players can redress it to the old style. It is the player's game, so let them play the way that is fun (and that has multiple meanings).
No, not really. Players would accept the Galaxy in it's current state if it wasn't so blatantly surpassed in every way by ships that were shown time and time and time and time again to be inferior to it. If the game had an honest tier system, and you could only use Cryptic specials at endgame. If the Excelsior and Ambassador and Vor'Cha, and Galor were properly balanced as things a Galaxy could curbstomp as easily as it could in the show.
The problem is - the Galaxy is given to us weaker then ships decades or nearly a century older then it - when no matter how you look at it in, the Galaxy's design was to be upgraded to current tech every 20 years - actually designed to be upgraded. Should the Geneva and Odyssey be superior? Absolutely. Should the Galaxy be surpassed by things that were decade old rustbuckets before she was even a pencil sketch? No.
The guardian is a rebranded revamped galaxy so no need to ask for one.
A t5 and up Connie I totally possible if it were just based on the Exeter.
The excelsior was probably the first ship to be canonically modular, being built as a test bed for an engine meant to go faster than any before also gives it a canonically superior hull since it was over engineered. Meaning it has a longer life span than most.
The average life span of most ships is usually around 80 years with some exceptions for specific designs.
The ambassador is only in game because it was an anniversary reward and can only be has at t5 from a fleet. Putting it in the realm of lockbox ships in terms of explanation.
Specific episodes or realm the series on general are poor examples of what something is supposed to be capable of since the are examples of face rolling and exploding for no reason. The writers were never very good at consistency and tended to modify deflector pulses to fix every thing.
And realm with these new t6 ships and specializations soon everything fleet or t5 will be obsolete, and you wont have to worry about being competitive with your galaxy because you wont be anyway.
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and the excelsior having a superior hull? tell that tot he ones that where popping like grapes in the dominon war when looked at funny. they where only slightly better then the mirandas
in canon the galaxy is said to be the first modual starfleet design to fit any mission profile as soon as an excelsior was built it was locked into the mission profile until it was scrapped. the galaxy could be swapped out per mission
average life span before the galaxy was 50 years.
Sorry, my bad, I should have included a citation but I was a bit short on time so I just posted from memory. Usually I have my TMs reay when posting in threads like these
Gw3, really? The main ship can't slot that. So a pet doesn't need to make snese at all, I guess...
No, the Guardian is a rebranded, revamped Ambassador. It even uses parts of the original Ambassador design (especially the neck and engineering hull). It also comes much closer to the support cruiser in it's layout and function, plus it cannot use the Galaxy consoles (although it's supposed to get the separation console at one point).
A T6 Galaxy would keep the CMDR and LTC engineering seats, have one command hybrid LT (probably tac), a LT sci and a lt uni, just like the pathfinder.
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That's just some hooey spouted by writers/directors who need newer, sleeker ship designs to compensate for their lack of talent, and the apparent one Galaxy blind-hater (you're literally the first I've come across).
Anyone else is just trying to create their own canon.
Move the IP 70+ years into the future, and then we can talk about how the Galaxy is outdated blah-blah-blah.
What an ignominious end to 1701-D; crushed under the weight of that fat-TRIBBLE, Shatner.
Shatner didn't decide to have the Enterprise get pwned by an outdated bop, commanded by the klingon bimbo sisters....
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no bean counters did original script had a vor'cha but they where going over budget so they ripped out every BoP scene from the undiscovered country. every scene with the BoP is from that movie
The Connie did not get an update, the excelsior did not get an update, the ambassador class did not get an update, neither has the galaxy or sovvie nor even that oddy. none of them are t6. these lines of ship class are done for. i do agree the galaxy class saucer section is ridiciously too big and far too forward with the neck at the back and the smaller engineering section below that, but this absurd ship elements are not an issue in space though where gravity does not have much effect.
If the guardian is the TNG of heavy cruiser flagship material design you are hoping for then the ent-f would transfer its record, name and service to the guardian as the Ent-g but that would be a waste of a perfectly good oddy though.
i have underlined the quote within a quote because to counter this easily is if the person who watched generations actually took the effort to hear and see the storyline unfold as to how the ent-d was destroyed, or what happened to the yamato.
the ent-d was destroyed not because it was fragile of over-bloated with useless features, but because the duras sisters had planted a device in la forge's visor that found the frequency the ent-d has set on their shields. in effect the b'rel stood a small chance of success in defeating the ent-d along with a sneak attack.
The yamato was destroyed because of an iconian virus picked up from a probe that was scanning the ship. it caused a catastropic reaction the warp core that was highly unlikely to happen.
the various other galaxy class ships were destroyed in combat during the dominion war, the oddy was destroyed because starfleet had no data on the dominion ships and they did try to adapt, but a kamikaze run was the end of that ship, and those defeated during the war was mostly because the artists on the show didnt have the money to add the shields. so there can't be an opinion on every other ship.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
and even then the uss galaxy took out the orbital cannon wile the excelsior got blown to bits by the same one. the other galaxies shown on screen where one shotting galors and producing covering fire. basically being used as siege weapons to break the dominon fleets lines. and they succeeded. there was even a full wing of galaxies in DS9
I think it makes sense. Nothing in STO follows established canon anyway and since we have all the alternate reality ships in the game they can just as well explain a lot of those oddities in-game away with "it's the alternate timeline"...
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You mean other than the E-D being destroyed, and the E-E built?
One would assume that would have some bearing on future events.
The existance of the Dreadnaught Cruiser in STO is really a problem. From the episode's dialogue we can deduct that the "Galaxy-X" was not a class of ships-of-the-line in the portrayed future but was really a unique refit specifically made for the Ent-D personally supervised by Admiral Riker. With the Ent-D being destroyed there is no reason for the "Dreadnaught Cruiser" to exist. Back in the days when this ship was a reward for bringing in new subscribers that was not a problem as it was a gimmick for a few players to have. When STOs continuity made it a regular class of ships though it became a continuity problem.
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More Ambassador in handling and boff layout I's say
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Actually, in the path to 2409 they told us where most of the Trek characters are in 'this' timeline - and some of the changes are kind of interesting. Chakotay leading Starfleet Intelligence, for example. Naomi Wildman runs Deep Space K7, Miles O'Brien is the head of the SCE.
I wonder if there isn't a department in Starfleet that does nothing but go through log files on temporal anomalies and try to scrounge data from it. It could very well be that Picard mentioned the Galaxy-X and that was used as springboard for further research.
I mean, in the end, even if Riker could choose his own flagship - the modifications were not hand-made by him - so there is someone in Starfleet that could pull this off, and for all we know, it was one of many possible retrofit/refit options proposed by Starfleet Engineering - it wasn't at all sure it would be made, but hearing about a future in where this project was actually used succesful could have influenced the decision.
That said - theoretically every player in this game could fly a Jem'Hardar ship, but we can't really take this to imply it's a "regular" ship. A player ship still may be a "one-off". Of course, it breaks immersion a bit ,but there is just no immersive/believable Star Trek timeline in where we'd fly around with adapted ships from other species on a regular basis, while Starfleet is still churning out its own models.
The miranda, Excelsior and Galaxy classes seem to be work horse ships as of 2409-10, the connie has long been retired from front line service.
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
No, you seem to miss the point, but it's allright because it's obvious by now even to a blind person that you're trolling because of some childhood/early adulthood trauma caused by some TNG fans back in 1987.
You don't have a point in-universe, you don't have a point out of universe and you don't have a point even regarding STO's own canon. You only have a tantrum you're throwing here and that's about it.
The single good reason. The Excelsior and Ambassador are as good as or superior to the the Odyssey and Avenger. T5U Ambassador is almost as good as the Guardian. The Eclipse can't be compared - it's a niche ship and there's no other Federation cruiser with the intel module.
So if two ships older and inferior to the Galaxy can be as good/better then 'top of the line' - then why can't the Galaxy?
No one is asking for the Galaxy to be a 5/5/5 console ship with 5 commander universal stations. Most of us simply want the ensign engineer made universal. If we ever get a T6 upgrade - copy the Pathfinder except with an engineering slant. All we want is a Galaxy that doesn't require a build that's a patch away from an exploit to be usable.
... um idk what your talking, but I'm still using the case to a computer i got in 2000, and everything still fits when i upgrade it ... several new mobos and power supplies, no problems
Actually STO itself completely throws that out the window. This is from the zen store.
After Starfleet starships were converted to a modular design, a group from the Starfleet Corps of Engineers working at Utopia Planitia wondered if vessels from the Federation's past could be constructed in this manner. Working with Federation historian Geoffrey Pacelli, the SCE officers chose the famed NX Class for reconstruction. The NX Class Starship Replica sports the classic look of Earth's starships from the 22nd century, but has been updated with modern technology to meet current Starfleet specifications
Ergo - an NX can be built to top end gear - so anything else can be too.