Why is there a T5 Excelsior? That hunk of junk's twice as old as the GCS and was getting blown out of the sky left and right during the Dominion War, whereas Starfleet never lost a single GCS on-screen after the Odyssey. And the Kumari and Narcine date back to the 2150s.
If Cryptic had ever actually used any logic in their ship selections for this game you'd have a leg to stand on.
AFTER the Odyssey. What he's saying is - after the Odyssey was destroyed there are 0 confirmed Galaxy kills in the Dominion War. The Yamato was destroyed a minimum of six years earlier. To a computer virus. One so powerful it can still disable our ships in STO.
AFTER the Odyssey. What he's saying is - after the Odyssey was destroyed there are 0 confirmed Galaxy kills in the Dominion War. The Yamato was destroyed a minimum of six years earlier. To a computer virus. One so powerful it can still disable our ships in STO.
Wut?
If that's the case...no Prime Universe show or movie has been in production that would depict that time period. kinda non sequitur isn't it?
Besides the last two seasons of DS9 there were all about the Dominion Wars. Voyager's last 3 seasons? Generations, First Contact, Insurrection, and Nemesis?
There are only three confirmed Galaxy losses. The Yamato: Iconian Computer Virus. The Odyssey: Jem'hadar suicide run. Enterprise: 'poor plot, developers wanted a shinier ship for the big screen'.
There are no confirmed Galaxy losses during the Dominion War. The production casts have said there were no Galaxy class ships lost in the Dominion War. The only Galaxy even seen taking serious damage in the Dominion War was the Galaxy herself - and she's part of the fleet supposed to help the Enterprise during Nemesis - showing a full repair was done.
So from TNG Season 1 to the last Trek movie - there are three losses. One deus ex, one 'worf trope' and one 'bad writing'. Not a bad calling at all for her.
Now should we discuss how many Excelsiors are destroyed in the same time period?
If that's the case...no Prime Universe show or movie has been in production that would depict that time period. kinda non sequitur isn't it?
DS9 did and the FX production staff named every ship and they even said not a single D class (galaxy) was destroyed. the USS Galaxy was severely damaged by an orbital cannon but it was repaired later and was in nemesis not physically but it was in the fleet report that showed up on a panel.
*massive eye roll* Go compare the dates, please. The Yamato happened half a dozen years before "The Jem'Hadar".
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are we back onto the Odyssey, Yamato and Enterprise-D as to why the Galaxy shouldn't get refitted.
I swear those of you that constantly bring these 3 ships up must have only ever watched the episodes the Yamato and Odyssey were in 2 out of 7 seasons of TNG and DS9 and Star Trek Generations.
Odyssey destroyed as to show how powerful and how extreme the Dominion were.
Yamato destroyed by a super advanced alien computer virus that the crew could not purge from the system. Not a failing of the ship but the crews.
Enterprise D killed as the film studio wanted a new ship for the movies.
Out of the 3 the only real bad performance is Generations where the ship and crew got jobbed in favor of a new design to carry the movie franchise.
To add to the other voices out there. Only 3 onscreen confirmed kills (excluding alternate universe kills and TNG: "Cause and Effect").
- Yamato was taken down by an advanced computer virus which could have destroyed any Federation or Romulan ship. Heck, if it can take down ships in STO's 25th century, what kind of a chance did the Yamato have?
- Odyssey was rammed right in the warp core by a Jem'Hadar fighter traveling very fast - faster than the Enterprise-E was when it rammed the Scimitar. Nothing can survive that kind of damage. Prior to the ramming, Odyssey had already taken some direct hits and was still able to power up engines and retreat.
- Enterprise-D was the victim of very poor writing. Given the track record of the Enterprise-D (fought off Borg and Husnock with shields down, Klingons, Ferengi, Romulans, etc etc with shields up, Enterprise-D survived them all), an outdated BoP from the 23rd century is insufficiently armed to cause the amount of damage they did on film. A Vor'cha-class warship might do it, but a BoP just isn't capable of doing that much damage. It could be said that Lursa and B'Etor gleaned some additional information about the Enterprise from Geordi's VISORcam, but that's also just a guess.
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The Yamato was destroyed five years before the Odyssey. He was referencing that there were no Galaxy class losses afterwards, which isn't perfectly accurate, but far more than a reference to the Yamato.
If that's the case...no Prime Universe show or movie has been in production that would depict that time period. kinda non sequitur isn't it?
Except five seasons of Deep Space Nine where Galaxy class starships were frontline heavy hitters. The Odyssey was destroyed in the Finale of season 2 of DS9.
The second to last time a Galaxy Class was destroyed.
The last time a Galaxy was actually destroyed is simply a misunderstanding. The Odyssey was destroyed six months before the Enterprise-D which is actually the last Galaxy in canon to be destroyed.
Especially notable as that means that no Galaxy classes were present at the Second Battle of Chintoka where the whole fleet was annihilated by the Breen energy dampening weapon.
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Especially notable as that means that no Galaxy classes were present at the Second Battle of Chintoka where the whole fleet was annihilated by the Breen energy dampening weapon.
That's somewhat odd, isn't it? we know that some older Klingon ships could escape and that gave the solution how to counter the energy dampening weapon.
Either no Galaxies were there, or they all had Scotty/LaForge/O'Briens that could improvise repairs quickly enough that they could run?
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wasn't the exact line like only 7% of the fleet survived? it was a small throw away line about the 7th fleet from martok so it could be the only ships that survived where galaxies and nebulas with a couple excelsiors
edit: it was 99.6% and not a single galaxy participated here are the federation ships 1 Defiant-class ,2 Nebula-class, 2 Steamrunner-class, 1 Saber-class, 2 Excelsior-class, 2 Akira-class, 2 Miranda-class
that's actually a pretty crappy low number of ships the federation brought out of the total 312 ships the allied fleet had
only 12 ships that means the romulans and klingons had the bulk of this engagement and is probably why the federation was so well off compared to the klingons and romulans afterwords
What we also saw during the Dominion War were more Galaxy's built than the original 6 and 12 spaceframes in total
no less than 10 took part in Operation Return. The Odssey, Yamato, Enterprise and if you believe Admiral Hansons ship at Wolf 359 was a Galaxy out of the original 6 in operation 4 had been lost leaving 2 active and 6 unfinished space frames. so atleast a further 2 had been built on top on the orginal 12.
Also take into account that the Dominion had a large number of heavy cruisers, Starfleet had nothing at the time on par sizewise or probably armament wise to compare to those ships other than a Galaxy.
During the Dominion War the Dominion built a superbattleship which shredded the Valiant a Defiant Class, it was said the ship was twice as large and 3 times the armament of what ship ? A Defiant ? a Excelsior ? a Ambassador ?, a Akira ? No a Galaxy the Dominions secret weapon was compared to Starfleets biggest captial ship to give us an idea of the power of that Dominion ship.
Watching the 1st battle of Chin'toka other than the Defiant the U.S.S Galaxy although she took damage as sheilds didn't seem to raised was the only allied ship shown to
A. take hits from those orbital weapon platforms and survive
B. Actually destroy one without crashing into one due to being disabled.
Operation Return again Galaxy's were used to try and keep the hole the Starfleet had been granted by the Dominion Fleet open for the fleet to be able to continue punching its way through. No mean task
TNG was a differnet show to DS9 and TOS. TNG was about showing conflict can be resolved by taking it over not unloading the full armament of you're ship. DS9 was that show and when the war started in season 5 you saw the Galaxy had teeth all the talk through TNG about the Galaxy being SF's most powerful was correct during seasons 5-7
The only starfleet ship that was on par or succeeded the Galaxy by the end of TNG Movies was the Soveriegn and i'd say when the Galaxy's got there next refit and difference between Nemeisis Ent-E and a Galaxy would not be much.
That's somewhat odd, isn't it? we know that some older Klingon ships could escape and that gave the solution how to counter the energy dampening weapon.
Either no Galaxies were there, or they all had Scotty/LaForge/O'Briens that could improvise repairs quickly enough that they could run?
No, only one Klingon ship escaped, and that was a fluke. The CHENG had jury-rigged something earlier in the day to fix an unrelated reactor problem and that had the side effect of rendering the ship immune to the energy dampener. If there had been any GCSs present they would've fared no better than any of the others.
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The Yamato was destroyed five years before the Odyssey. He was referencing that there were no Galaxy class losses afterwards, which isn't perfectly accurate, but far more than a reference to the Yamato.
Except five seasons of Deep Space Nine where Galaxy class starships were frontline heavy hitters. The Odyssey was destroyed in the Finale of season 2 of DS9.
The second to last time a Galaxy Class was destroyed.
The last time a Galaxy was actually destroyed is simply a misunderstanding. The Odyssey was destroyed six months before the Enterprise-D which is actually the last Galaxy in canon to be destroyed.
Especially notable as that means that no Galaxy classes were present at the Second Battle of Chintoka where the whole fleet was annihilated by the Breen energy dampening weapon.
Ah, thank you Captain D3. I was going on memory. I had a feeling I had the dates wrong, but wtf right, it's only a game/tv show/movie/whatever.
All the rest of you TRIBBLE nuggets can go flush yourselves down the swirly. -_-
What we also saw during the Dominion War were more Galaxy's built than the original 6 and 12 spaceframes in total
no less than 10 took part in Operation Return. The Odssey, Yamato, Enterprise and if you believe Admiral Hansons ship at Wolf 359 was a Galaxy out of the original 6 in operation 4 had been lost leaving 2 active and 6 unfinished space frames. so atleast a further 2 had been built on top on the orginal 12.
Also take into account that the Dominion had a large number of heavy cruisers, Starfleet had nothing at the time on par sizewise or probably armament wise to compare to those ships other than a Galaxy.
During the Dominion War the Dominion built a superbattleship which shredded the Valiant a Defiant Class, it was said the ship was twice as large and 3 times the armament of what ship ? A Defiant ? a Excelsior ? a Ambassador ?, a Akira ? No a Galaxy the Dominions secret weapon was compared to Starfleets biggest captial ship to give us an idea of the power of that Dominion ship.
Watching the 1st battle of Chin'toka other than the Defiant the U.S.S Galaxy although she took damage as sheilds didn't seem to raised was the only allied ship shown to
A. take hits from those orbital weapon platforms and survive
B. Actually destroy one without crashing into one due to being disabled.
Operation Return again Galaxy's were used to try and keep the hole the Starfleet had been granted by the Dominion Fleet open for the fleet to be able to continue punching its way through. No mean task
TNG was a differnet show to DS9 and TOS. TNG was about showing conflict can be resolved by taking it over not unloading the full armament of you're ship. DS9 was that show and when the war started in season 5 you saw the Galaxy had teeth all the talk through TNG about the Galaxy being SF's most powerful was correct during seasons 5-7
The only starfleet ship that was on par or succeeded the Galaxy by the end of TNG Movies was the Soveriegn and i'd say when the Galaxy's got there next refit and difference between Nemeisis Ent-E and a Galaxy would not be much.
About the USS Galaxy being the only 1 to take hits and not be destroyed.
Other ships were hit badly...some were destroyed but it's possible that some took heavy damage, we're temporarily disabled and we're either towed out of the area or left under their own power.
But yes the Galaxy was the only ship visually to take fire and not really miss a beat in the battle.
I kind of remember from that battle a BOP crashing into a platform, a Miranda spiraling out of control and being fired upon by several platforms. a Excelsior being shot through the saucer by a beam, a D'Deridex being shot and the front of the ship melting into flames, a Akira burning up in a planets atmosphere and the U.S.S Galaxy taking 3 direct hits to the hull, placing her gloves on Clubber Lang's mohawk and taunting you aint so bad to the tune of Eye of Tiger.
I kind of remember from that battle a BOP crashing into a platform, a Miranda spiraling out of control and being fired upon by several platforms. a Excelsior being shot through the saucer by a beam, a D'Deridex being shot and the front of the ship melting into flames, a Akira burning up in a planets atmosphere and the U.S.S Galaxy taking 3 direct hits to the hull, placing her gloves on Clubber Lang's mohawk and taunting you aint so bad to the tune of Eye of Tiger.
A Vor'cha being kamikazed, a trio of Mirandas kicking butt, the USS Hood and the USS Venture taking part.
What we also saw during the Dominion War were more Galaxy's built than the original 6 and 12 spaceframes in total
no less than 10 took part in Operation Return. The Odssey, Yamato, Enterprise and if you believe Admiral Hansons ship at Wolf 359 was a Galaxy out of the original 6 in operation 4 had been lost leaving 2 active and 6 unfinished space frames. so at least a further 2 had been built on top on the original 12.
thats one of those things that stopped being a fact after like 2366 at the latest. this was pretty much galaxy status at the class's launch, the dominion war started like 10 years later. there was probably at least 30, if not over 100 galaxy's around by the time the war started. starfleet is supposed to be at least 9000 ships strong.
That's somewhat odd, isn't it? we know that some older Klingon ships could escape and that gave the solution how to counter the energy dampening weapon.
Either no Galaxies were there, or they all had Scotty/LaForge/O'Briens that could improvise repairs quickly enough that they could run?
Well...it was one Klingon ship on a fluke.
I would imagine that the Galaxies were taking up defensive positions elsewhere. They may have been redeployed to defensive positions since this was just after the attack on Earth.
wasn't the exact line like only 7% of the fleet survived? it was a small throw away line about the 7th fleet from martok so it could be the only ships that survived where galaxies and nebulas with a couple excelsiors
edit: it was 99.6% and not a single galaxy participated here are the federation ships 1 Defiant-class ,2 Nebula-class, 2 Steamrunner-class, 1 Saber-class, 2 Excelsior-class, 2 Akira-class, 2 Miranda-class
that's actually a pretty crappy low number of ships the federation brought out of the total 312 ships the allied fleet had
only 12 ships that means the romulans and klingons had the bulk of this engagement and is probably why the federation was so well off compared to the klingons and romulans afterwords
The Dominion forces managed to break through the Allied lines in two places at Chin'toka, outflanking allied defenses. The Dominion fleet re-took the planets in the system, as the allied fleet withdrew. The Jem'Hadar, Cardassian, and Breen ships consolidated their position while Starfleet and its allies rallied their starships for a counterattack to drive the enemy fleet from the system, under the command of General Martok of the Klingon Defense Forces. A total of 312 allied warships were rallied to take on the Dominion fleet. The Allied fleet charged into the system, resolved to destroy the enemy with brute force. ~Memory Alpha
So the Dominion rushed and Starfleet had to get together every ship they could.
It's not implausible at all, look at the Battle of Pearl Harbor. The Japanese chose where and when to strike and still missed the carriers they were supposed to be killing off.
The Alliance got every ship they could to the fight, but the Galaxies couldn't make it in time, and were saved for it.
No, only one Klingon ship escaped, and that was a fluke. The CHENG had jury-rigged something earlier in the day to fix an unrelated reactor problem and that had the side effect of rendering the ship immune to the energy dampener. If there had been any GCSs present they would've fared no better than any of the others.
Which is thankfully an aversion of Galaxies getting screwed over by opponents that can circumvent their defenses.
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Ah, thank you Captain D3. I was going on memory. I had a feeling I had the dates wrong, but wtf right, it's only a game/tv show/movie/whatever.
All the rest of you TRIBBLE nuggets can go flush yourselves down the swirly. -_-
G.F.Y. don't mean Good For You.
I was surprised myself, I checked Memory Alpha just to be sure, because I remembered it the same way.
But that's only because most people don't remember that Worf came to DS9 long after the Odyssey's destruction and that was after the Enterprise was destroyed.
I kind of remember from that battle a BOP crashing into a platform, a Miranda spiraling out of control and being fired upon by several platforms. a Excelsior being shot through the saucer by a beam, a D'Deridex being shot and the front of the ship melting into flames, a Akira burning up in a planets atmosphere and the U.S.S Galaxy taking 3 direct hits to the hull, placing her gloves on Clubber Lang's mohawk and taunting you aint so bad to the tune of Eye of Tiger.
I want to take a moment to say, I felt bad for the D'Deridex. As big and bad as it was and how it was the Romulan's premiere ship, they got murdered during the conflict with the Dominion. The Battle of the Omarion Nebula was bad, but whenever they were on screen they were getting incinerated, eviscerated, and mutilated. It's no surprise that they weren't actually seen in Nemesis being superceded by the Norexan/Valdore/Mogai and the Scimitar.
thats one of those things that stopped being a fact after like 2366 at the latest. this was pretty much galaxy status at the class's launch, the dominion war started like 10 years later. there was probably at least 30, if not over 100 galaxy's around by the time the war started. starfleet is supposed to be at least 9000 ships strong.
If you consider that between 2285 and 2370 that the ship numbers went from 2000 to the 70,000s and Starfleet ships can stay in service from 50 to 100 years it makes sense. Add in that the Federation is 8000 light years across and at the time of the Next Generation that could be a ten year trip for most ships....in volume that's a LOT of space. 9000 is what? a ship per light year on one axis with a thousand floaters? And then you're exploring out beyond that in six directions.
The Federation fielding smaller individual fleets during the Dominion War can be explained by the fact that they have to prosecute the war AND defend that border that's thousands of light years in circumference. The fleet that fought the Dominion war had to be pulled from across two Quadrants. Both the events of First Contact and Insurrection occurred during the Klingon Federation War and the immediately following Dominion War. So other things didn't stop during the Dominion War. It goes back to how there was a general peace, while there was a war with the Cardassians and other powers through the 2340s and 2350s. The Federation is that big.
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http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Yamato#History
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AFTER the Odyssey. What he's saying is - after the Odyssey was destroyed there are 0 confirmed Galaxy kills in the Dominion War. The Yamato was destroyed a minimum of six years earlier. To a computer virus. One so powerful it can still disable our ships in STO.
Wut?
If that's the case...no Prime Universe show or movie has been in production that would depict that time period. kinda non sequitur isn't it?
what does the iconian virus have to do with the dominion war?
There are only three confirmed Galaxy losses. The Yamato: Iconian Computer Virus. The Odyssey: Jem'hadar suicide run. Enterprise: 'poor plot, developers wanted a shinier ship for the big screen'.
There are no confirmed Galaxy losses during the Dominion War. The production casts have said there were no Galaxy class ships lost in the Dominion War. The only Galaxy even seen taking serious damage in the Dominion War was the Galaxy herself - and she's part of the fleet supposed to help the Enterprise during Nemesis - showing a full repair was done.
So from TNG Season 1 to the last Trek movie - there are three losses. One deus ex, one 'worf trope' and one 'bad writing'. Not a bad calling at all for her.
Now should we discuss how many Excelsiors are destroyed in the same time period?
DS9 did and the FX production staff named every ship and they even said not a single D class (galaxy) was destroyed. the USS Galaxy was severely damaged by an orbital cannon but it was repaired later and was in nemesis not physically but it was in the fleet report that showed up on a panel.
*massive eye roll* Go compare the dates, please. The Yamato happened half a dozen years before "The Jem'Hadar".
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did you just admit you have never heard of TNG?
I swear those of you that constantly bring these 3 ships up must have only ever watched the episodes the Yamato and Odyssey were in 2 out of 7 seasons of TNG and DS9 and Star Trek Generations.
Odyssey destroyed as to show how powerful and how extreme the Dominion were.
Yamato destroyed by a super advanced alien computer virus that the crew could not purge from the system. Not a failing of the ship but the crews.
Enterprise D killed as the film studio wanted a new ship for the movies.
Out of the 3 the only real bad performance is Generations where the ship and crew got jobbed in favor of a new design to carry the movie franchise.
To add to the other voices out there. Only 3 onscreen confirmed kills (excluding alternate universe kills and TNG: "Cause and Effect").
- Yamato was taken down by an advanced computer virus which could have destroyed any Federation or Romulan ship. Heck, if it can take down ships in STO's 25th century, what kind of a chance did the Yamato have?
- Odyssey was rammed right in the warp core by a Jem'Hadar fighter traveling very fast - faster than the Enterprise-E was when it rammed the Scimitar. Nothing can survive that kind of damage. Prior to the ramming, Odyssey had already taken some direct hits and was still able to power up engines and retreat.
- Enterprise-D was the victim of very poor writing. Given the track record of the Enterprise-D (fought off Borg and Husnock with shields down, Klingons, Ferengi, Romulans, etc etc with shields up, Enterprise-D survived them all), an outdated BoP from the 23rd century is insufficiently armed to cause the amount of damage they did on film. A Vor'cha-class warship might do it, but a BoP just isn't capable of doing that much damage. It could be said that Lursa and B'Etor gleaned some additional information about the Enterprise from Geordi's VISORcam, but that's also just a guess.
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Except five seasons of Deep Space Nine where Galaxy class starships were frontline heavy hitters. The Odyssey was destroyed in the Finale of season 2 of DS9.
The second to last time a Galaxy Class was destroyed.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Jem%27Hadar_%28episode%29
The last time a Galaxy was actually destroyed is simply a misunderstanding. The Odyssey was destroyed six months before the Enterprise-D which is actually the last Galaxy in canon to be destroyed.
Especially notable as that means that no Galaxy classes were present at the Second Battle of Chintoka where the whole fleet was annihilated by the Breen energy dampening weapon.
Either no Galaxies were there, or they all had Scotty/LaForge/O'Briens that could improvise repairs quickly enough that they could run?
edit: it was 99.6% and not a single galaxy participated here are the federation ships 1 Defiant-class ,2 Nebula-class, 2 Steamrunner-class, 1 Saber-class, 2 Excelsior-class, 2 Akira-class, 2 Miranda-class
that's actually a pretty crappy low number of ships the federation brought out of the total 312 ships the allied fleet had
only 12 ships that means the romulans and klingons had the bulk of this engagement and is probably why the federation was so well off compared to the klingons and romulans afterwords
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Chin%27toka
no less than 10 took part in Operation Return. The Odssey, Yamato, Enterprise and if you believe Admiral Hansons ship at Wolf 359 was a Galaxy out of the original 6 in operation 4 had been lost leaving 2 active and 6 unfinished space frames. so atleast a further 2 had been built on top on the orginal 12.
Also take into account that the Dominion had a large number of heavy cruisers, Starfleet had nothing at the time on par sizewise or probably armament wise to compare to those ships other than a Galaxy.
During the Dominion War the Dominion built a superbattleship which shredded the Valiant a Defiant Class, it was said the ship was twice as large and 3 times the armament of what ship ? A Defiant ? a Excelsior ? a Ambassador ?, a Akira ? No a Galaxy the Dominions secret weapon was compared to Starfleets biggest captial ship to give us an idea of the power of that Dominion ship.
Watching the 1st battle of Chin'toka other than the Defiant the U.S.S Galaxy although she took damage as sheilds didn't seem to raised was the only allied ship shown to
A. take hits from those orbital weapon platforms and survive
B. Actually destroy one without crashing into one due to being disabled.
Operation Return again Galaxy's were used to try and keep the hole the Starfleet had been granted by the Dominion Fleet open for the fleet to be able to continue punching its way through. No mean task
TNG was a differnet show to DS9 and TOS. TNG was about showing conflict can be resolved by taking it over not unloading the full armament of you're ship. DS9 was that show and when the war started in season 5 you saw the Galaxy had teeth all the talk through TNG about the Galaxy being SF's most powerful was correct during seasons 5-7
The only starfleet ship that was on par or succeeded the Galaxy by the end of TNG Movies was the Soveriegn and i'd say when the Galaxy's got there next refit and difference between Nemeisis Ent-E and a Galaxy would not be much.
No, only one Klingon ship escaped, and that was a fluke. The CHENG had jury-rigged something earlier in the day to fix an unrelated reactor problem and that had the side effect of rendering the ship immune to the energy dampener. If there had been any GCSs present they would've fared no better than any of the others.
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Ah, thank you Captain D3. I was going on memory. I had a feeling I had the dates wrong, but wtf right, it's only a game/tv show/movie/whatever.
All the rest of you TRIBBLE nuggets can go flush yourselves down the swirly. -_-
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I kind of remember from that battle a BOP crashing into a platform, a Miranda spiraling out of control and being fired upon by several platforms. a Excelsior being shot through the saucer by a beam, a D'Deridex being shot and the front of the ship melting into flames, a Akira burning up in a planets atmosphere and the U.S.S Galaxy taking 3 direct hits to the hull, placing her gloves on Clubber Lang's mohawk and taunting you aint so bad to the tune of Eye of Tiger.
A Vor'cha being kamikazed, a trio of Mirandas kicking butt, the USS Hood and the USS Venture taking part.
thats one of those things that stopped being a fact after like 2366 at the latest. this was pretty much galaxy status at the class's launch, the dominion war started like 10 years later. there was probably at least 30, if not over 100 galaxy's around by the time the war started. starfleet is supposed to be at least 9000 ships strong.
I would imagine that the Galaxies were taking up defensive positions elsewhere. They may have been redeployed to defensive positions since this was just after the attack on Earth.
The Dominion forces managed to break through the Allied lines in two places at Chin'toka, outflanking allied defenses. The Dominion fleet re-took the planets in the system, as the allied fleet withdrew. The Jem'Hadar, Cardassian, and Breen ships consolidated their position while Starfleet and its allies rallied their starships for a counterattack to drive the enemy fleet from the system, under the command of General Martok of the Klingon Defense Forces. A total of 312 allied warships were rallied to take on the Dominion fleet. The Allied fleet charged into the system, resolved to destroy the enemy with brute force. ~Memory Alpha
So the Dominion rushed and Starfleet had to get together every ship they could.
It's not implausible at all, look at the Battle of Pearl Harbor. The Japanese chose where and when to strike and still missed the carriers they were supposed to be killing off.
The Alliance got every ship they could to the fight, but the Galaxies couldn't make it in time, and were saved for it.
Which is thankfully an aversion of Galaxies getting screwed over by opponents that can circumvent their defenses.
The IKS Ki'tang. A legendary Bird of Prey. As simple adjustment to the Tritium intermix saved the whole damn war.
I was surprised myself, I checked Memory Alpha just to be sure, because I remembered it the same way.
But that's only because most people don't remember that Worf came to DS9 long after the Odyssey's destruction and that was after the Enterprise was destroyed.
I want to take a moment to say, I felt bad for the D'Deridex. As big and bad as it was and how it was the Romulan's premiere ship, they got murdered during the conflict with the Dominion. The Battle of the Omarion Nebula was bad, but whenever they were on screen they were getting incinerated, eviscerated, and mutilated. It's no surprise that they weren't actually seen in Nemesis being superceded by the Norexan/Valdore/Mogai and the Scimitar.
Ronald Moore said Starfleet was more like 30,000 strong. And I agree with that.
If you consider that between 2285 and 2370 that the ship numbers went from 2000 to the 70,000s and Starfleet ships can stay in service from 50 to 100 years it makes sense. Add in that the Federation is 8000 light years across and at the time of the Next Generation that could be a ten year trip for most ships....in volume that's a LOT of space. 9000 is what? a ship per light year on one axis with a thousand floaters? And then you're exploring out beyond that in six directions.
The Federation fielding smaller individual fleets during the Dominion War can be explained by the fact that they have to prosecute the war AND defend that border that's thousands of light years in circumference. The fleet that fought the Dominion war had to be pulled from across two Quadrants. Both the events of First Contact and Insurrection occurred during the Klingon Federation War and the immediately following Dominion War. So other things didn't stop during the Dominion War. It goes back to how there was a general peace, while there was a war with the Cardassians and other powers through the 2340s and 2350s. The Federation is that big.