Actually as I understand it the Vor'cha is the Klingon answer to the Galaxy. Which might I add is saying something. The Vor'cha is the first new Klingon design in what? 200 years? Klingon Battlecruisers have had the same basic D-5 and so on plan form since the days of the NX-01.
Between technology sharing when the alliance was formed and the Galaxy, the Klingons introduced the first all new Cruiser design in at least 200 years.
I'd say the Negh'var is their answer to the Sovereign.
the vorcha is an older design then the galaxy, by at least 5 years. you first see it in the first season of TNG, and it looks like the result of cooperation between the federation and kdf in the post enterprise C loss era of peace. its more like a late answer to the ambassador then the galaxy. its actually a smaller ship by volume then the akira.
the sovereign is more like a federation take on on the vorcha, but the negvar is without question trying to out galaxy the galaxy though.
Actually as I understand it the Vor'cha is the Klingon answer to the Galaxy. Which might I add is saying something. The Vor'cha is the first new Klingon design in what? 200 years? Klingon Battlecruisers have had the same basic D-5 and so on plan form since the days of the NX-01.
Between technology sharing when the alliance was formed and the Galaxy, the Klingons introduced the first all new Cruiser design in at least 200 years.
I'd say the Negh'var is their answer to the Sovereign.
I doubt that. The Sov hadn't entered service yet when the Negh'Var was introduced. The DS9 TM gives the Negh'Var as being very close in both size and displacement to the GCS (it's a little bit smaller), and it carries the fleet's heaviest weapons (those big siege guns underneath). It's also got the internal capacity to act as a large-scale armed transport much like the GCS does.
The Vor'cha is closer in size and portrayed role to the Excelsior, i.e. the mainline heavy cruiser.
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Actually as I understand it the Vor'cha is the Klingon answer to the Galaxy. Which might I add is saying something. The Vor'cha is the first new Klingon design in what? 200 years? Klingon Battlecruisers have had the same basic D-5 and so on plan form since the days of the NX-01.
Between technology sharing when the alliance was formed and the Galaxy, the Klingons introduced the first all new Cruiser design in at least 200 years.
I'd say the Negh'var is their answer to the Sovereign.
The Vorcha was introduced after the K'tinga
Klingon cruisers did changed a bit during 200-year span from ENT to TNG
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the vorcha is an older design then the galaxy, by at least 5 years. you first see it in the first season of TNG, and it looks like the result of cooperation between the federation and kdf in the post enterprise C loss era of peace. its more like a late answer to the ambassador then the galaxy. its actually a smaller ship by volume then the akira.
the sovereign is more like a federation take on on the vorcha, but the negvar is without question trying to out galaxy the galaxy though.
It wasn't in season one. It didn't show up until season four.
I kind of remember the manual of one of the old Star Trek games saying the Vor'cha was introduced in the 2340's or 2350's. Of course, none of those other games are considered canon.
It wasn't in season one. It didn't show up until season four.
I kind of remember the manual of one of the old Star Trek games saying the Vor'cha was introduced in the 2340's or 2350's. Of course, none of those other games are considered canon.
Nope. I checked Mem Alpha's list of appearances for the Vor'cha and it says "Reunion" was the first one.
That's not saying it couldn't have entered service earlier than that, of course.
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Nope. I checked Mem Alpha's list of appearances for the Vor'cha and it says "Reunion" was the first one.
That's not saying it couldn't have entered service earlier than that, of course.
I love how the name Vor'cha was Klingon for Cure with Torpedoes. Let's say the Feds and the Klingons became allies in the aftermath of Narendra III (2344). I would guess that the IKS Vor'cha probably didn't leave the shipyard until ten probably fifteen years later since the design is such a step up from the K'tinga and BOP roughly a couple years before the start of TNG (2364), so it would be natural for Chancellor K'mpec to use the Bor'tas as his flagship, essentially in the same vein as the Negh'var being Gowron's flagship. The design of the Negh'var was the Klingon's version of let's put a step up on the Federation.
Personally i see the Vor'Cha more of a response to the Ambassador. The sheer number of them seen during the Dominion war would indicate a long term production run well before the Galaxy. I'd say they may have even been a response to the Nebula which i think was launched shortly before the Galaxy.
The Odyssey's captain shut down their shields because they were useless against Polaron weapons. He orders shield power transferred to weapons and the sif. So a ship with no shields, improperly tuned weapons, and still being Starfleet and 'holding back' fought 3 bugships to a standstill and was capable of a tactical withdraw - and the Jem-Hadar had to suicide run to bring it down.
That's pretty damned impressive in my books.
Exactly!Even with no shields,the galaxy held up to weapons that made the defiant cry for its momma.And if the captain had not turned off the shields,there would have been a chance for the odyssey to escape!
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On my Vor'cha response to Ambassador idea it kinda makes sense, If we look at Klingon ships from TOS-Movie Era to TNG the biggest Klingon ship up until the appearence of the Vor'cha is the D-7/K'tinga which is size and weight wise on par with a Constitution.
Theres a huge gap between Federation linage of starships and Klingon linage of starships during this time unless there were other classes just never seen.
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BOP and subtypes-D-7/K'Tinga-Vorcha and then Negh'var
Looking at this the Federation with the introduction of the Excelsior leaves the KDF behind until the Vor'cha's introduction.
The only way i could see the KDF competing with the Federation after the introduction of the Excelsior as a military able to rival Starfleet is if the KDF outnumbered Starfleet considerably.
Personally i see the Vor'Cha more of a response to the Ambassador. The sheer number of them seen during the Dominion war would indicate a long term production run well before the Galaxy. I'd say they may have even been a response to the Nebula which i think was launched shortly before the Galaxy.
The Vor'Cha indeed seems to be tied to the development of the Ambassador or Nebula (rather Nebula) than the Galaxy. The Negh'Var would be the ship to rival the Galaxy while Starfleet in turn had the Sovereign to "rival" the Vor'Cha.
The reason lies in the philosophy of ship design which can be dreived from on-screen sources and deduction. Starfleet vessels are by their very design build to perform on their own. It doesn't matter if the ship has a multi-mission or specialized profile, the thought behind Starfleet is you send one ship to do it's job. Klingon warships (we only ever see KDF, we never saw Klingon civilian craft or science vessels) starting with the B'Rel and ending with the Vor'Cha are all build around the principle of squad/pack operations. A Vor'Cha is lighter than Starfleet cruisers but probably more nimble and likely supported by BoPs and the like. The exception from the rule is the Negh'Var which seems to be a "true" star cruiser in the terms of featuring way more space for (troop) transport and way more firepower in a single ship. It's a command ship, like the Galaxy.
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got to keep in mind klingon military strategy, and expansion strategy too. they aren't all that interested in scanning every comet, more asking nicely, once, for races they encounter to swear loyalty to the klingon empire. they didn't need ships that were more then flying crew bunks with guns. the large general purpose cruiser is thus not all that applicable with klingon strategy. more mundane tasks like charting space and studying stellar phenomena were likely left to privateers and vassal states.
bops and small battlecrusiers are perfect for the high paces battle strategy klingons employ, great big ships are just larger targets. better to swarm with smaller ships, at the very least there will be more captains to spread the glory around. this is detailed great in that bop technical manual that got released a few years ago.
the vorcha probably has more to do with the d'deridex launch in like the 2350s more then anything else. i could see a wing of d'deridex just shredding groups of ktingas and bops, and routing fleets of them. something like the vorcha could tank, and anchor the rest of a fleet. not to big to be unwieldy, but big enough and durable enough to take a pounding.
the negvar is more or less gowrans gluttony, vanity and ego in ship form, and doesn't fit well with typical klingon strategy at all. the 'way of the warrior' battle, and something like a planetary assault would be the only places it would be all that useful in a klingon campaign. a klingon general might ask, why not 2 vorchas instead? they could at least keep up.
I wouldn't say the Negh'Var is just a vanity plate for an TRIBBLE of a Chancellor.
A vessel like the Negh'Var would be ideal to support planetary assaults, and act as a command and coordination vessel for major operations. You would want such an asset to be a tough nut to crack. A Negh'Var, well screened, would be such a tough nut. Even for hostiles like the Jem'Hadar or Breen.
The Galaxy being inferior to ships that were older and weaker than her is most fans beef with the Galaxy. We can all accept Cryptics designs as being more capable. Its the other cannon ships Excelsior, Ambassador and the like that we take issue with, Welll i take issue with. My Galaxy should out tank, out sci and out dps the Ambassador, Excelsior and Fleet Heavy Cruiser.
The Oddyssey, Avenger, Eclipse, Guardian i couldn't care less about as i have no sentimental attach to these ships as they never appeared in Trek cannon so we have no basis to compare there power levels on. So if Cryptic say they are superior i accept that.
I don't accept the Ambassador, Excelsior, Fleet Heavy Cruiser as being more powerful, more flexible in boff stations and just dam right more fun to pilot
Making the Galaxy better than those 3 needs to be done.
the vorcha is an older design then the galaxy, by at least 5 years. you first see it in the first season of TNG, and it looks like the result of cooperation between the federation and kdf in the post enterprise C loss era of peace. its more like a late answer to the ambassador then the galaxy. its actually a smaller ship by volume then the akira.
the sovereign is more like a federation take on on the vorcha, but the negvar is without question trying to out galaxy the galaxy though.
Keep in mind that the USS Galaxy was launched in 2357 and is six years older than the Enterprise-D.
I doubt that. The Sov hadn't entered service yet when the Negh'Var was introduced. The DS9 TM gives the Negh'Var as being very close in both size and displacement to the GCS (it's a little bit smaller), and it carries the fleet's heaviest weapons (those big siege guns underneath). It's also got the internal capacity to act as a large-scale armed transport much like the GCS does.
The Vor'cha is closer in size and portrayed role to the Excelsior, i.e. the mainline heavy cruiser.
The Negh'var showed up in 2372 same as the Enterprise-D. With military intelligence and military intelligence sharing under the threat of Borg Invasion, it's entirely possible that Starfleet shared data about what they were coming up with, with the Klingons who put that info into the Negh'var. Those siege guns would be wonderful against a Borg Cube.
That said, I am also aware it was Gowron's "mine is bigger than yours swinging stick".
The Vorcha was introduced after the K'tinga
Klingon cruisers did changed a bit during 200-year span from ENT to TNG
I specifically said brand new design. There's a very strong visual similarity from the D-5 to the K'Tinga. The wings, the neck, the command pod, are all basically the same thing but built from better materials and techniques and more advanced technology.
The Vor'cha by contrast is a substantial departure from her predecessors.
I'll concede that the Vor'cha came about as an answer to the Ambassador, and I'm sure the Klingons have great respect for that class after Narendra, but at the same time, they were trying to create a ship to surpass the Ambassador. Starfleet was trying to surpass the Ambassador with the Galaxy. So even if the Galaxy didn't inspire the Vor'cha, they are still of the same generation. That as much as anything is what I meant by "answer to".
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Yeah I think the Negh'Var is far more than just Gowron's flashy new flagship. Even with the Venture and the Excelsiors inbound, the Negh'Var and its fleet could totally have taken or even destroyed DS9 through sheer numbers, not to mention those underslung cannons.
And I think someone was saying that a capital battleship wouldn't fit Klingon battle tactics. Maybe not at some points in time, but as Federation and Romulan ships got larger, it would make sense for Klingons to match them, because it definitely doesn't fit Klingon battle tactics to look in any way weak.
Just my opinion though.
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Yeah I think the Negh'Var is far more than just Gowron's flashy new flagship. Even with the Venture and the Excelsiors inbound, the Negh'Var and its fleet could totally have taken or even destroyed DS9 through sheer numbers, not to mention those underslung cannons.
And I think someone was saying that a capital battleship wouldn't fit Klingon battle tactics. Maybe not at some points in time, but as Federation and Romulan ships got larger, it would make sense for Klingons to match them, because it definitely doesn't fit Klingon battle tactics to look in any way weak.
Just my opinion though.
Well as a class of ship, the Negh'var is quite plainly a siege weapon. Not a lot of maneuverability, but heavy shields and armor with immense forward facing weapons that can pulverize an encampment. She's not supposed to be duking it out with fast cruisers and escorts, but crushing starbases.
It's also worth noting that in the All Good Things timeline, the Negh'var was shown looking lighter and free of the heavy wing mounted heavy cannons, a configuration that is more conducive to ship to ship combat and makes perfect sense.
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Well as a class of ship, the Negh'var is quite plainly a siege weapon. Not a lot of maneuverability, but heavy shields and armor with immense forward facing weapons that can pulverize an encampment. She's not supposed to be duking it out with fast cruisers and escorts, but crushing starbases.
It's also worth noting that in the All Good Things timeline, the Negh'var was shown looking lighter and free of the heavy wing mounted heavy cannons, a configuration that is more conducive to ship to ship combat and makes perfect sense.
Definitely. Also in All Good Things, the Negh'Var was shown firing directly "down" at the Ent-D. A weapon configuration like that is perfect for planetary assault and orbital bombardment. And while BoP's can strafe, the Vor'cha is not built for things like that. I think the Vor'cha was designed to one-up the Excelsior or Ambassador as a combat cruiser, not as a heavy assault vessel.
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Keep in mind that the USS Galaxy was launched in 2357 and is six years older than the Enterprise-D.
in 2357, the uss galaxy was only technically space worthy, the class was developed wile the first examples were built over 20 years or so. it took so long to build them because the galaxy wasn't using on the shelf tech, like the nebula was. thats why the nebula class was actually launched in the late 2350, and the galaxy class was not. in the intervening years, the uss galaxy was a work in progress test bed wile it's tech was being developed at the same time. the uss galaxy wasn't actually completed or fit for duty until 2363 like the rest of the originals.
its likely the USS sovereign, and every other first of their class, was out flying around in the years before being official launched too, running the same kind of trials and tests. that doesn't mean the class was launched at that time though.
you saw the excelsior with an NX prefix in development limbo for at least 4 years before it actually got put into service. the ship, and the class, wasn't officially launched until they gave it to sulu.
i have been of the opinion, that the Nebula-class was the true successor to the Ambassador. The Nebula was depicted as a very powerful ship and given that the Phoenix easily destroyed a number of Cardassian ships in The Wounded. The number of Nebulas seen were in similar mission profiles to the Constitution.
The Galaxy was built as a flagship. The main bridge was the flag bridge while the battle bridge was the true bridge. However, two ships, the Yamato and the Enterprise, were both configured as diplomatic/explorers. The other Galaxies seen, the Odyssey and Hansen's flagship at Wolf 359 had more bridges similar to the battle bridge (they used the battle bridge sets).
I would put a Galaxy-X above a Sovereign in canon terms.
In STO terms all our canon arguments simply fall on deaf dev ears. Galaxy as well as most Fed cruisers won't be top notch like lockbox.
thats kind of ignoring the fact that a theoretical sovereign- x would probably be above the Galaxy - x
if your upgrading one, you can't compare it to the stock version of the other
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thats kind of ignoring the fact that a theoretical sovereign- x would probably be above the Galaxy - x
if your upgrading one, you can't compare it to the stock version of the other
Not really. If a Galaxy and a Sovereign were upgraded at the same time - say 15 years after the Sov was released - they would receive an identical level of tech. So with new shields, new warp cores, upgraded phasers...
I would say the Galaxy would be the more durable, more independent vessel. The Sovereign would have the edge in firepower and probably speed - though that's iffy because in canon we never hear of a Sovereign's maximum speed. The highest we ever hear is warp 8.something.
pre-nemesis refit the galaxy had more phaser arrays and better coverage able to fire both main suacer arrays at the same time with out hitting it't self
the pre-nemesis sov actually has some pretty nasty blond spots on the side (why the ship was always shown listing when firing to the side) if it fire straight to the side it would take out a chunk of it't own saucer if it was to fire the main beam.
the extra beams where mainly on the engineering hull so it had coverage to the side they where much smaller then even the ventral engineering section beam of the galaxy
Not really. If a Galaxy and a Sovereign were upgraded at the same time - say 15 years after the Sov was released - they would receive an identical level of tech. So with new shields, new warp cores, upgraded phasers...
I would say the Galaxy would be the more durable, more independent vessel. The Sovereign would have the edge in firepower and probably speed - though that's iffy because in canon we never hear of a Sovereign's maximum speed. The highest we ever hear is warp 8.something.
would depend on the intention of the respective refit i would guess
A refit that keeps the any mission profile for the galaxy vs a wartime refit that focuses on tactical systems
and i guess the maximum power rating for their respective warpcores would probably be a big deciding factor as to their combat ability, no idea which has the edge though
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the vorcha is an older design then the galaxy, by at least 5 years. you first see it in the first season of TNG, and it looks like the result of cooperation between the federation and kdf in the post enterprise C loss era of peace. its more like a late answer to the ambassador then the galaxy. its actually a smaller ship by volume then the akira.
the sovereign is more like a federation take on on the vorcha, but the negvar is without question trying to out galaxy the galaxy though.
The Vor'cha is closer in size and portrayed role to the Excelsior, i.e. the mainline heavy cruiser.
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haha so true
This is the D-5 (ENT era)
http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/klingon/battlecruiser_d5.jpg
There is a D6 here serve as transition between D5 and D7
This is the D7 (TOS era)
http://th04.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2011/074/f/a/klingon_d7_battlecruiser_by_thefirstfleet-d3bq33z.jpg
After D7 was the K'tinga (TMP era)
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/b/b0/IKS_Amar_aft.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090525061618&path-prefix=en
The Vorcha was introduced after the K'tinga
Klingon cruisers did changed a bit during 200-year span from ENT to TNG
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It wasn't in season one. It didn't show up until season four.
I kind of remember the manual of one of the old Star Trek games saying the Vor'cha was introduced in the 2340's or 2350's. Of course, none of those other games are considered canon.
oh, i thought it showed up first in this episode. been a LONG time since i watched much of early TNG http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Heart_of_Glory_%28episode%29
Nope. I checked Mem Alpha's list of appearances for the Vor'cha and it says "Reunion" was the first one.
That's not saying it couldn't have entered service earlier than that, of course.
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I love how the name Vor'cha was Klingon for Cure with Torpedoes. Let's say the Feds and the Klingons became allies in the aftermath of Narendra III (2344). I would guess that the IKS Vor'cha probably didn't leave the shipyard until ten probably fifteen years later since the design is such a step up from the K'tinga and BOP roughly a couple years before the start of TNG (2364), so it would be natural for Chancellor K'mpec to use the Bor'tas as his flagship, essentially in the same vein as the Negh'var being Gowron's flagship. The design of the Negh'var was the Klingon's version of let's put a step up on the Federation.
Exactly!Even with no shields,the galaxy held up to weapons that made the defiant cry for its momma.And if the captain had not turned off the shields,there would have been a chance for the odyssey to escape!
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Theres a huge gap between Federation linage of starships and Klingon linage of starships during this time unless there were other classes just never seen.
Feds
Constitution-Excelsior-Ambassador-Nebula-Galaxy Classes
Klingons
BOP and subtypes-D-7/K'Tinga-Vorcha and then Negh'var
Looking at this the Federation with the introduction of the Excelsior leaves the KDF behind until the Vor'cha's introduction.
The only way i could see the KDF competing with the Federation after the introduction of the Excelsior as a military able to rival Starfleet is if the KDF outnumbered Starfleet considerably.
The Vor'Cha indeed seems to be tied to the development of the Ambassador or Nebula (rather Nebula) than the Galaxy. The Negh'Var would be the ship to rival the Galaxy while Starfleet in turn had the Sovereign to "rival" the Vor'Cha.
The reason lies in the philosophy of ship design which can be dreived from on-screen sources and deduction. Starfleet vessels are by their very design build to perform on their own. It doesn't matter if the ship has a multi-mission or specialized profile, the thought behind Starfleet is you send one ship to do it's job. Klingon warships (we only ever see KDF, we never saw Klingon civilian craft or science vessels) starting with the B'Rel and ending with the Vor'Cha are all build around the principle of squad/pack operations. A Vor'Cha is lighter than Starfleet cruisers but probably more nimble and likely supported by BoPs and the like. The exception from the rule is the Negh'Var which seems to be a "true" star cruiser in the terms of featuring way more space for (troop) transport and way more firepower in a single ship. It's a command ship, like the Galaxy.
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bops and small battlecrusiers are perfect for the high paces battle strategy klingons employ, great big ships are just larger targets. better to swarm with smaller ships, at the very least there will be more captains to spread the glory around. this is detailed great in that bop technical manual that got released a few years ago.
the vorcha probably has more to do with the d'deridex launch in like the 2350s more then anything else. i could see a wing of d'deridex just shredding groups of ktingas and bops, and routing fleets of them. something like the vorcha could tank, and anchor the rest of a fleet. not to big to be unwieldy, but big enough and durable enough to take a pounding.
the negvar is more or less gowrans gluttony, vanity and ego in ship form, and doesn't fit well with typical klingon strategy at all. the 'way of the warrior' battle, and something like a planetary assault would be the only places it would be all that useful in a klingon campaign. a klingon general might ask, why not 2 vorchas instead? they could at least keep up.
A vessel like the Negh'Var would be ideal to support planetary assaults, and act as a command and coordination vessel for major operations. You would want such an asset to be a tough nut to crack. A Negh'Var, well screened, would be such a tough nut. Even for hostiles like the Jem'Hadar or Breen.
The Oddyssey, Avenger, Eclipse, Guardian i couldn't care less about as i have no sentimental attach to these ships as they never appeared in Trek cannon so we have no basis to compare there power levels on. So if Cryptic say they are superior i accept that.
I don't accept the Ambassador, Excelsior, Fleet Heavy Cruiser as being more powerful, more flexible in boff stations and just dam right more fun to pilot
Making the Galaxy better than those 3 needs to be done.
Keep in mind that the USS Galaxy was launched in 2357 and is six years older than the Enterprise-D.
The Negh'var showed up in 2372 same as the Enterprise-D. With military intelligence and military intelligence sharing under the threat of Borg Invasion, it's entirely possible that Starfleet shared data about what they were coming up with, with the Klingons who put that info into the Negh'var. Those siege guns would be wonderful against a Borg Cube.
That said, I am also aware it was Gowron's "mine is bigger than yours swinging stick".
I specifically said brand new design. There's a very strong visual similarity from the D-5 to the K'Tinga. The wings, the neck, the command pod, are all basically the same thing but built from better materials and techniques and more advanced technology.
The Vor'cha by contrast is a substantial departure from her predecessors.
I'll concede that the Vor'cha came about as an answer to the Ambassador, and I'm sure the Klingons have great respect for that class after Narendra, but at the same time, they were trying to create a ship to surpass the Ambassador. Starfleet was trying to surpass the Ambassador with the Galaxy. So even if the Galaxy didn't inspire the Vor'cha, they are still of the same generation. That as much as anything is what I meant by "answer to".
And I think someone was saying that a capital battleship wouldn't fit Klingon battle tactics. Maybe not at some points in time, but as Federation and Romulan ships got larger, it would make sense for Klingons to match them, because it definitely doesn't fit Klingon battle tactics to look in any way weak.
Just my opinion though.
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I dare you to do better.
Well as a class of ship, the Negh'var is quite plainly a siege weapon. Not a lot of maneuverability, but heavy shields and armor with immense forward facing weapons that can pulverize an encampment. She's not supposed to be duking it out with fast cruisers and escorts, but crushing starbases.
It's also worth noting that in the All Good Things timeline, the Negh'var was shown looking lighter and free of the heavy wing mounted heavy cannons, a configuration that is more conducive to ship to ship combat and makes perfect sense.
Definitely. Also in All Good Things, the Negh'Var was shown firing directly "down" at the Ent-D. A weapon configuration like that is perfect for planetary assault and orbital bombardment. And while BoP's can strafe, the Vor'cha is not built for things like that. I think the Vor'cha was designed to one-up the Excelsior or Ambassador as a combat cruiser, not as a heavy assault vessel.
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I dare you to do better.
in 2357, the uss galaxy was only technically space worthy, the class was developed wile the first examples were built over 20 years or so. it took so long to build them because the galaxy wasn't using on the shelf tech, like the nebula was. thats why the nebula class was actually launched in the late 2350, and the galaxy class was not. in the intervening years, the uss galaxy was a work in progress test bed wile it's tech was being developed at the same time. the uss galaxy wasn't actually completed or fit for duty until 2363 like the rest of the originals.
its likely the USS sovereign, and every other first of their class, was out flying around in the years before being official launched too, running the same kind of trials and tests. that doesn't mean the class was launched at that time though.
you saw the excelsior with an NX prefix in development limbo for at least 4 years before it actually got put into service. the ship, and the class, wasn't officially launched until they gave it to sulu.
The Galaxy was built as a flagship. The main bridge was the flag bridge while the battle bridge was the true bridge. However, two ships, the Yamato and the Enterprise, were both configured as diplomatic/explorers. The other Galaxies seen, the Odyssey and Hansen's flagship at Wolf 359 had more bridges similar to the battle bridge (they used the battle bridge sets).
thats kind of ignoring the fact that a theoretical sovereign- x would probably be above the Galaxy - x
if your upgrading one, you can't compare it to the stock version of the other
Not really. If a Galaxy and a Sovereign were upgraded at the same time - say 15 years after the Sov was released - they would receive an identical level of tech. So with new shields, new warp cores, upgraded phasers...
I would say the Galaxy would be the more durable, more independent vessel. The Sovereign would have the edge in firepower and probably speed - though that's iffy because in canon we never hear of a Sovereign's maximum speed. The highest we ever hear is warp 8.something.
the pre-nemesis sov actually has some pretty nasty blond spots on the side (why the ship was always shown listing when firing to the side) if it fire straight to the side it would take out a chunk of it't own saucer if it was to fire the main beam.
the extra beams where mainly on the engineering hull so it had coverage to the side they where much smaller then even the ventral engineering section beam of the galaxy
would depend on the intention of the respective refit i would guess
A refit that keeps the any mission profile for the galaxy vs a wartime refit that focuses on tactical systems
and i guess the maximum power rating for their respective warpcores would probably be a big deciding factor as to their combat ability, no idea which has the edge though