The thing is collectively we have tried paying money to get more PvP stuff - some of us into the thousands of dollars - and this has not worked as far as getting new PvP content. What have we gained since launch? A map or two, and lots of gear to grind for or buy, most of which is actively harmful to PvP.
The devs do not want us PvPers in STO, but we exist despite that, still carrying on when so many have left and so few remain. When was the last time you saw someone new trying PvP? I can only think of myself, and I stick to VPvP because it means I don't look completely terrible anymore, just mostly terrible.
We need to try something new, as the status quo is not working - we've tried paying for stuff and it didn't and does not work, so now we should try not paying. At worst we maintain the status quo, at best the Devs do something.
Well, have you ever thought about why we still exists? I think its because alot of us find this unique diversity both challenging and appealing. In the sense that you almost have endless possibilitites on how to play this game.
In that sense i would rather embrace all that we can of this, and also at the same time encourage everyone to open their minds to the possibilitites intsead of clinging to the old....
That being said, i get what you are trying to do, i mean.. the learning curve for pvp in this game is long... we do need ways of letting people "ease into" PVP. We should rather focus on that, instead of promoting that this game has faulty mechanics and so forth, like you are in a sense doing with this "Vanilla PVP".
"Vanilla PvP - Cheap. Fun. Balanced. Newbie/Casual friendly. PvP as it should be."
Cheap - sure... But nothing is worthwhile getting if it wasnt hard to get.
Fun - I guess - up to the point of being bland and boring like any other MMO PVP where everyone runs around with the same builds.
Balanced - Might be? But in what sense? Back to the days when this game was nicknamed "Escorts Online" ? Or scrubbing up some new rules or even more rules to make the game even more bland.
Newbie/Casual friendly - Sure, up to the point where the new player asks about "real pvp" and gets told that its borken and told that it sucks. And ends up learning nothing worth while into how to think for themselves, and learn how to both build a decent build and fly it. Then its actually the oposite of newbie friendly... imo.
PVP as it should be?? - a very bold statement. Also more an opinion than anything else. In my opinion PVP should be about making the best out of what you have. If someone makes something better, that should be an insentive to thrive to create something equally or even better than that again. Embrace the diversity that this game has to offer, rather than trying to fight against it!
I think you are going about it the wrong way, and in the long run, i think it will also cause more damage to PVP in general, than improving it.
"Better were the days when mastery o' space came not from bargains struck with eldritch creatures... but from the sweat of a man's brow and the strength of his back alone. Ye all know thi's to be true!"
You're right in that the PvP learning curve is huge.
How does a new player get started? Where does he learn the basics of TT and timing and watching for buffs?
Now there's a place to get started in a controlled environment within going into the Queues and having no idea as to how and why they spoded over and over.
Thats all good and dandy, but seing the attitude most of the people that are promoting this have against "Real PVP", i fear that this attitude will infect the newcommers to PVP.
"Better were the days when mastery o' space came not from bargains struck with eldritch creatures... but from the sweat of a man's brow and the strength of his back alone. Ye all know thi's to be true!"
Of course it matters what ship one flies, as does equipped items and gear. Suggesting otherwise only displays ones own limited understanding of this games inner workings, it's pure noobish ignorance. The times have long passed where individual player skill was the deciding factor for a duels outcome; nowadays a players ship and gear choice decides the outcome. Show me the players ship, choice of Bridge Officer abilities and its gear; then show me the opponents gear etc., and I will say who is going to win the duel.
Give me one day and I could teach a monkey how to prevail 95% of the times in any 1v1. Only morons put any meaning into such a "test of might".
The only exception, the only 1v1 niche left where skill would play a major role are pure escort vs. escort duels, and even then only with certain rules in place.
Where was he when player skill in 1v1s actually mattered?
Simple example: a tac- oriented beam cruiser having a cmd eng boff equipped with rsp 3 + rsp doff cycled with double aux2batt. Shield heals are not required on this since you have a 40 sec rsp every 20 sec available, as a result it only needs hull heals in order to counterheal potential bleedthrough damage.
Gl with breaking such a build :P,
However I am inclined to fight difficult and nasty builds like fbp or faw builds and so on since it enhances your own coordination and buff reading/memorizing. But yea pre-Lor duels were mostly determined by skill, equipment did only play a minor role. I remember defeating fully geared bugships with all the latest mk XII purple equipment on a MVAM with mk XI blue consoles and mk XI purple weapons ( after I had joined my first pvp- fleet)
Nowadays quality of equipment aswell as rep traits and lockboxtraits influence the outcome of a 1v1 considerably more than in earlier times, this is what I have noticed too.
What Vanilla PVP stands for.. goes against what atleast I would considder the fun part of this game. And the fun part is to figure out a way to earn money and dilithium in game so i can finance all my experimentations.
I think this illustrates the fundamental divide between the VPvP crowd and those who belittle the idea. One group likes playing, the other group likes earning money to pay for their toys.
"No, you can't have fun riding your bike. You need to save up money to compete with my Formula One car. The fun part isn't the racing, it's the paying for the vehicle!"
"Better were the days when mastery o' space came not from bargains struck with eldritch creatures... but from the sweat of a man's brow and the strength of his back alone. Ye all know thi's to be true!"
Well, thats your opinion, but there are so many ships in this game that are not escorts.. are you saying that they are not allowed to be able to participate in pvp against escort at an equal level?
It looks to me that at one point.. im guessing at the point where the meta and mechanics in the game favoured escorts, that you maybe where considdered amongst the best? The game has changed since then, giving us alot more diversity which i think is positive.
Dude, there are so many awesome ships and builds to choose from in this game, why would you try to convince people that true skills comes from flying escorts only`? this is a bold statement indeed.... Any build requires skill to fly. Having an awesome build is fine, but its worthless unless its flown by an equally awesome pilot.
so the game is not only escorts?Lemme guess you duel support ships aka healers :rolleyes:
yes healers do more damage than escorts and heal better than escorts thats because the game is broken.Check the title ...VPvP not NPvP from NOObPvP aka a2b faw .This thread exists because of that .
You talk about the point when escorts were doing damage and healers were healing.Guess in your and geko's vision about stuffs the goal keeper should score goals in football because if a normal player does that the goal keeper should do it too.Thanks for pve nooblets now the support ships do more damage than escorts....basically they are escorts .
Now back to your pve....so many npcs to kill :rolleyes:
For what it's worth, I'm interested in improving to 'mostly terrible.' Is my first step requesting a channel invite?
Generator
It is a good first step, it would be a lot quicker than my route.
I found STO on Steam while browsing the store looking for Kerbal Space Program to check something. STO looked interesting, so I downloaded it. Made a Vulcan, levelled with Cruisers. Got to Level 50, decided an Assault Cruiser Sovvy wasn't as good as a Mirror Star Cruiser Sovvy. (Facepalm...)
At that point I was one of those"2-3k in a T5" players that I so often bemoan around here. I didn't know any better, I thought I was ok.
Someone happened to post as parse at the end of a ISE run that I thought went ok - 2.3k DPS. My first reaction was "WTF?" My second was "I really, really need to improve."
So I started reading up on game mechanics, reading posts made by those who knew what they were talking about, equipped my Mirror Star Cruiser to a better standard (slightly better than VPvP spec), and started PvPing, got killed a lot, hardly ever killed anyone.
Kept on improving bit by bit, started a thread about A2B/A2D hybrids, argued with people who I should have listened to. Swapped to A2B/A2D, improved a bit more.
Spent £35 on Zen, bought an ACR and a Fleet Module, equipped it with actual good stuff and I've gone from 2.3k DPS to considering trying for DPS 10k Channel as I am comfortably above 10k I feel I could manage it without difficulty. In terms of PvP, debut fight of my ACR was against a better equipped lockbox ship in a 1 vs 1 while running a PvE set up - I won. Still pleased about it...
DR stuffs future plans of course, and now I am back to VPvP stuff on all except for 2 of my 7 characters - of whom 4 will be VPvP and PvE only.
TL;DR - My Altmeri Tac in her totally work in progress VPvP Nova now does twice the DPS and at least 4 times the effectiveness of my best ship did from only two months ago.
Well, have you ever thought about why we still exists? I think its because alot of us find this unique diversity both challenging and appealing. In the sense that you almost have endless possibilitites on how to play this game.
In that sense i would rather embrace all that we can of this, and also at the same time encourage everyone to open their minds to the possibilitites intsead of clinging to the old....
That being said, i get what you are trying to do, i mean.. the learning curve for pvp in this game is long... we do need ways of letting people "ease into" PVP. We should rather focus on that, instead of promoting that this game has faulty mechanics and so forth, like you are in a sense doing with this "Vanilla PVP".
"Vanilla PvP - Cheap. Fun. Balanced. Newbie/Casual friendly. PvP as it should be."
Cheap - sure... But nothing is worthwhile getting if it wasnt hard to get.
Fun - I guess - up to the point of being bland and boring like any other MMO PVP where everyone runs around with the same builds.
Balanced - Might be? But in what sense? Back to the days when this game was nicknamed "Escorts Online" ? Or scrubbing up some new rules or even more rules to make the game even more bland.
Newbie/Casual friendly - Sure, up to the point where the new player asks about "real pvp" and gets told that its borken and told that it sucks. And ends up learning nothing worth while into how to think for themselves, and learn how to both build a decent build and fly it. Then its actually the oposite of newbie friendly... imo.
PVP as it should be?? - a very bold statement. Also more an opinion than anything else. In my opinion PVP should be about making the best out of what you have. If someone makes something better, that should be an insentive to thrive to create something equally or even better than that again. Embrace the diversity that this game has to offer, rather than trying to fight against it!
I think you are going about it the wrong way, and in the long run, i think it will also cause more damage to PVP in general, than improving it.
We exist because we choose to exist. There are endless possibilities to play, but once you start looking into effective play - it is a different matter. Infinite diversity in builds is one thing, but when power creep is dumped upon power creep all time/cost gated as is happening in STO it is not sustainable.
And all these new methods are actively driving the game itself down through the imbalance and cost, and driving away old players - these players, some of whom only remain in STO for VPvP, if they were to go it would be an immense loss. There are too few PvPers left, we cannot afford to lose any more.
Should we though? We know STO has faulty mechanics and most significantly Devs who actively dislike PvP, and will not develop content for it. Not only that, but someone new does come in, only to find that outside of VPvP, the costs of time and resources are such that realistically they cannot catch up - what kind of position are we putting that player in? One might say it is just a cost of entry, but look where these costs of entry lead us, back to too many players departed, too few players remain.
Cheap - It is cheap, and cost does matter. There are only a few hundred PvPers in a game populated by tens of thousands for a reason.
Fun - Remove C-Store consoles, Traits, Doffs, gear back to VR Mk X and at T5 almost all C-Store or better ships. Sure, a lot of builds are removed (A2B is gone completely) but there is still plenty of innovation to do, it just costs a lot less to do it. If you like the current system then yes it must seem a bit bland and boring. Copycat builds happen either way in both VPvP and normal PvP, so that isn't a point to use for either.
Balanced - And normal PvP is balanced? Anyway, VPvP is not Escorts Online all over again.
Newbie/Casual friendly - Normal PvP is broke and sucks, if people didn't agree VPvP would never have taken off. And anyway, you still need to build your knowledge and ability. Certainly "And ends up learning nothing worth while into how to think for themselves, and learn how to both build a decent build and fly it." is just plain hyperbole.
PvP as it should be - and that system has got us to a perfectly happy situation, PvP is flourishing and new players come all the time... oh wait.
We have been trying the current method for years and it is not working - we need to do something to help ourselves. VPvP is one way of many. Will it work? Probably, it seems to so far. is it better than dwindling to no one left? Yes.
"No, you can't have fun riding your bike. You need to save up money to compete with my Formula One car. The fun part isn't the racing, it's the paying for the vehicle!"
As someone who has done a bit of that riding round in circles lark, that sums it perfectly. In fact, PvP is a lot like Motorsport. You start with a big fortune and end up with a little one, and all for a pittance of a reward unless you win...
Rules are simple: only gear is allowed where the word "zan" would fit in or ryhme with:
Example: Zanite Disruptor Dual Heavy Zannons Mk XIV [Acc]x4 [CrtH]
However, i am still undecided if I should participate in that pvp fun- event. I have the impression that this set of rules has been created by Pascal himself: "No rep traits, "no nausicaan/romulan/ veteran boffs, no doffs, no gear from story missions like breen cluster ??? lol, same thing what he has intended to enforce in the pvp-scene for years.
This thread is not open to criticism of the VPvP idea. You can discuss the rules if you want, but the debate about whether it should even exist is irrelevant.
When I get tired of deleting off-topic posts, I'll start referring the matter to the Community Manager for infractions.
My views may not represent those of Cryptic Studios or Perfect World Entertainment. You can file a "forums and website" support ticket here Link: How to PM - Twitter @STOMod_Bluegeek
This thread is not open to criticism of the VPvP idea. You can discuss the rules if you want, but the debate about whether it should even exist is irrelevant.
When I get tired of deleting off-topic posts, I'll start referring the matter to the Community Manager for infractions.
Thank you, much appreciated
Sad Pandas PvP - Starfleet Dental Member - Lag Industries Leader
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"What a time it was, with all the world against us, what a time it was... When all we did seemed wrong,
we've broken all our bonds, but life kept going on, what a time, what a time it was..." - Clem Tholet
This thread is not open to criticism of the VPvP idea. You can discuss the rules if you want, but the debate about whether it should even exist is irrelevant.
When I get tired of deleting off-topic posts, I'll start referring the matter to the Community Manager for infractions.
It was meant to be an ascertainment not a public critizism. Sorry if you regarded it as such.
Rules are simple: only gear is allowed where the word "zan" would fit in or ryhme with:
Example: Zanite Disruptor Dual Heavy Zannons Mk XIV [Acc]x4 [CrtH]
However, i am still undecided if I should participate in that pvp fun- event. I have the impression that this set of rules has been created by Pascal himself: "No rep traits, "no nausicaan/romulan/ veteran boffs, no doffs, no gear from story missions like breen cluster ??? lol, same thing what he has intended to enforce in the pvp-scene for years.
I'm not going to tell anybody they can or cannot play a certain way, but I do know this isn't for me. Like you I enjoy flying a clearly disadvantaged ship against something that is mathematically and thematically superior. It makes it more fun when you eventually blow them up
It was meant to be an ascertainment not a public critizism. Sorry if you regarded it as such.
Sorry, my post was not directed at you. My apologies for the misunderstanding.
My views may not represent those of Cryptic Studios or Perfect World Entertainment. You can file a "forums and website" support ticket here Link: How to PM - Twitter @STOMod_Bluegeek
I will say this once more everyone. If you don't like VPvP, fine. I don't give a flying rat, and you shouldn't either about whether I like VPvP.
If you don't like VPvP, the idea of it, the people in it, whatever, then leave.
From this point on I will not hesitate to call in Bluegeek or any other mod if I see a post derailing the thread. In other words, no more Mr. Nice Voporak.
"Better were the days when mastery o' space came not from bargains struck with eldritch creatures... but from the sweat of a man's brow and the strength of his back alone. Ye all know thi's to be true!"
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Well, have you ever thought about why we still exists? I think its because alot of us find this unique diversity both challenging and appealing. In the sense that you almost have endless possibilitites on how to play this game.
In that sense i would rather embrace all that we can of this, and also at the same time encourage everyone to open their minds to the possibilitites intsead of clinging to the old....
That being said, i get what you are trying to do, i mean.. the learning curve for pvp in this game is long... we do need ways of letting people "ease into" PVP. We should rather focus on that, instead of promoting that this game has faulty mechanics and so forth, like you are in a sense doing with this "Vanilla PVP".
"Vanilla PvP - Cheap. Fun. Balanced. Newbie/Casual friendly. PvP as it should be."
Cheap - sure... But nothing is worthwhile getting if it wasnt hard to get.
Fun - I guess - up to the point of being bland and boring like any other MMO PVP where everyone runs around with the same builds.
Balanced - Might be? But in what sense? Back to the days when this game was nicknamed "Escorts Online" ? Or scrubbing up some new rules or even more rules to make the game even more bland.
Newbie/Casual friendly - Sure, up to the point where the new player asks about "real pvp" and gets told that its borken and told that it sucks. And ends up learning nothing worth while into how to think for themselves, and learn how to both build a decent build and fly it. Then its actually the oposite of newbie friendly... imo.
PVP as it should be?? - a very bold statement. Also more an opinion than anything else. In my opinion PVP should be about making the best out of what you have. If someone makes something better, that should be an insentive to thrive to create something equally or even better than that again. Embrace the diversity that this game has to offer, rather than trying to fight against it!
I think you are going about it the wrong way, and in the long run, i think it will also cause more damage to PVP in general, than improving it.
Thats all good and dandy, but seing the attitude most of the people that are promoting this have against "Real PVP", i fear that this attitude will infect the newcommers to PVP.
Simple example: a tac- oriented beam cruiser having a cmd eng boff equipped with rsp 3 + rsp doff cycled with double aux2batt. Shield heals are not required on this since you have a 40 sec rsp every 20 sec available, as a result it only needs hull heals in order to counterheal potential bleedthrough damage.
Gl with breaking such a build :P,
However I am inclined to fight difficult and nasty builds like fbp or faw builds and so on since it enhances your own coordination and buff reading/memorizing. But yea pre-Lor duels were mostly determined by skill, equipment did only play a minor role. I remember defeating fully geared bugships with all the latest mk XII purple equipment on a MVAM with mk XI blue consoles and mk XI purple weapons ( after I had joined my first pvp- fleet)
Nowadays quality of equipment aswell as rep traits and lockboxtraits influence the outcome of a 1v1 considerably more than in earlier times, this is what I have noticed too.
-=Hannibal - Inner Circle PvP-Department=-
Hannibal's YouTube PvP-channel (under construction)
More Inner Circle PvP-Action worth watching from: Hank, Mira Theng and Zimbilimbim
My forum handle is my global; if this can only be done when I'm online, I'll squawk next time I am (usually nights, East Coast time).
Thanks,
Generator
I'm sure your DPS is great, but as Kahless said, "a petaQ with high system mastery is still a petaQ." (Well, he should have said it...!)
so the game is not only escorts?Lemme guess you duel support ships aka healers :rolleyes:
yes healers do more damage than escorts and heal better than escorts thats because the game is broken.Check the title ...VPvP not NPvP from NOObPvP aka a2b faw .This thread exists because of that .
You talk about the point when escorts were doing damage and healers were healing.Guess in your and geko's vision about stuffs the goal keeper should score goals in football because if a normal player does that the goal keeper should do it too.Thanks for pve nooblets now the support ships do more damage than escorts....basically they are escorts .
Now back to your pve....so many npcs to kill :rolleyes:
It is a good first step, it would be a lot quicker than my route.
I found STO on Steam while browsing the store looking for Kerbal Space Program to check something. STO looked interesting, so I downloaded it. Made a Vulcan, levelled with Cruisers. Got to Level 50, decided an Assault Cruiser Sovvy wasn't as good as a Mirror Star Cruiser Sovvy. (Facepalm...)
At that point I was one of those"2-3k in a T5" players that I so often bemoan around here. I didn't know any better, I thought I was ok.
Someone happened to post as parse at the end of a ISE run that I thought went ok - 2.3k DPS. My first reaction was "WTF?" My second was "I really, really need to improve."
So I started reading up on game mechanics, reading posts made by those who knew what they were talking about, equipped my Mirror Star Cruiser to a better standard (slightly better than VPvP spec), and started PvPing, got killed a lot, hardly ever killed anyone.
Kept on improving bit by bit, started a thread about A2B/A2D hybrids, argued with people who I should have listened to. Swapped to A2B/A2D, improved a bit more.
Spent £35 on Zen, bought an ACR and a Fleet Module, equipped it with actual good stuff and I've gone from 2.3k DPS to considering trying for DPS 10k Channel as I am comfortably above 10k I feel I could manage it without difficulty. In terms of PvP, debut fight of my ACR was against a better equipped lockbox ship in a 1 vs 1 while running a PvE set up - I won. Still pleased about it...
DR stuffs future plans of course, and now I am back to VPvP stuff on all except for 2 of my 7 characters - of whom 4 will be VPvP and PvE only.
TL;DR - My Altmeri Tac in her totally work in progress VPvP Nova now does twice the DPS and at least 4 times the effectiveness of my best ship did from only two months ago.
We exist because we choose to exist. There are endless possibilities to play, but once you start looking into effective play - it is a different matter. Infinite diversity in builds is one thing, but when power creep is dumped upon power creep all time/cost gated as is happening in STO it is not sustainable.
And all these new methods are actively driving the game itself down through the imbalance and cost, and driving away old players - these players, some of whom only remain in STO for VPvP, if they were to go it would be an immense loss. There are too few PvPers left, we cannot afford to lose any more.
Should we though? We know STO has faulty mechanics and most significantly Devs who actively dislike PvP, and will not develop content for it. Not only that, but someone new does come in, only to find that outside of VPvP, the costs of time and resources are such that realistically they cannot catch up - what kind of position are we putting that player in? One might say it is just a cost of entry, but look where these costs of entry lead us, back to too many players departed, too few players remain.
Cheap - It is cheap, and cost does matter. There are only a few hundred PvPers in a game populated by tens of thousands for a reason.
Fun - Remove C-Store consoles, Traits, Doffs, gear back to VR Mk X and at T5 almost all C-Store or better ships. Sure, a lot of builds are removed (A2B is gone completely) but there is still plenty of innovation to do, it just costs a lot less to do it. If you like the current system then yes it must seem a bit bland and boring. Copycat builds happen either way in both VPvP and normal PvP, so that isn't a point to use for either.
Balanced - And normal PvP is balanced? Anyway, VPvP is not Escorts Online all over again.
Newbie/Casual friendly - Normal PvP is broke and sucks, if people didn't agree VPvP would never have taken off. And anyway, you still need to build your knowledge and ability. Certainly "And ends up learning nothing worth while into how to think for themselves, and learn how to both build a decent build and fly it." is just plain hyperbole.
PvP as it should be - and that system has got us to a perfectly happy situation, PvP is flourishing and new players come all the time... oh wait.
We have been trying the current method for years and it is not working - we need to do something to help ourselves. VPvP is one way of many. Will it work? Probably, it seems to so far. is it better than dwindling to no one left? Yes.
As someone who has done a bit of that riding round in circles lark, that sums it perfectly. In fact, PvP is a lot like Motorsport. You start with a big fortune and end up with a little one, and all for a pittance of a reward unless you win...
Critizising vPvP in the way some people do here, is just plain silly....
they can't a2b ...what can you expect ?
If cryptic would nerf a2b you will understand the whole thing
Rules are simple: only gear is allowed where the word "zan" would fit in or ryhme with:
Example: Zanite Disruptor Dual Heavy Zannons Mk XIV [Acc]x4 [CrtH]
However, i am still undecided if I should participate in that pvp fun- event. I have the impression that this set of rules has been created by Pascal himself: "No rep traits, "no nausicaan/romulan/ veteran boffs, no doffs, no gear from story missions like breen cluster ??? lol, same thing what he has intended to enforce in the pvp-scene for years.
-=Hannibal - Inner Circle PvP-Department=-
Hannibal's YouTube PvP-channel (under construction)
More Inner Circle PvP-Action worth watching from: Hank, Mira Theng and Zimbilimbim
This thread is not open to criticism of the VPvP idea. You can discuss the rules if you want, but the debate about whether it should even exist is irrelevant.
When I get tired of deleting off-topic posts, I'll start referring the matter to the Community Manager for infractions.
Link: How to PM - Twitter @STOMod_Bluegeek
Thank you, much appreciated
we've broken all our bonds, but life kept going on, what a time, what a time it was..." - Clem Tholet
It was meant to be an ascertainment not a public critizism. Sorry if you regarded it as such.
-=Hannibal - Inner Circle PvP-Department=-
Hannibal's YouTube PvP-channel (under construction)
More Inner Circle PvP-Action worth watching from: Hank, Mira Theng and Zimbilimbim
I support this idea!
I'm not going to tell anybody they can or cannot play a certain way, but I do know this isn't for me. Like you I enjoy flying a clearly disadvantaged ship against something that is mathematically and thematically superior. It makes it more fun when you eventually blow them up
Sorry, my post was not directed at you. My apologies for the misunderstanding.
Link: How to PM - Twitter @STOMod_Bluegeek
I will say this once more everyone. If you don't like VPvP, fine. I don't give a flying rat, and you shouldn't either about whether I like VPvP.
If you don't like VPvP, the idea of it, the people in it, whatever, then leave.
From this point on I will not hesitate to call in Bluegeek or any other mod if I see a post derailing the thread. In other words, no more Mr. Nice Voporak.
I wish people would stick to the subject of the thread.
Flaming / Trolling is against forum rules.
D,
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Please keep the QQ to a minimum.
>>>PUNISH THE FEDs<<<
>>>Positive Feedback from a PvE HERO<<<
Dude, Ive been here since post 10, got mentioned in the OP, and apparently I've been promoted to an Operator.
Of course, my post does make a lot less sense since tinnytimp's was removed...
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Please keep the QQ to a minimum.
>>>PUNISH THE FEDs<<<
>>>Positive Feedback from a PvE HERO<<<
Pretty safe. I'll allow it.
All good, no problem
-=Hannibal - Inner Circle PvP-Department=-
Hannibal's YouTube PvP-channel (under construction)
More Inner Circle PvP-Action worth watching from: Hank, Mira Theng and Zimbilimbim