It can double tap but you have to have the target lined up while the lance charges and time the BO accordingly, so it takes a bit of skill and luck. What's nice about the lance is it hits everything in it's path so sometimes you can get a double kill lol.
I think the Guramba will open a can of worms for Cstore ships.
If the Guramba then why not the Galaxy X?
Then why not this or that...
If we're trying to stem ANY special abilities in the effort to minimize spam and make the playing field as even as possible then leave it out. IMHO
I agree. If you want the boff layout you can buy the mirror raptor.
I would love to use my 200k Olympic but it's passive healing is like having a few human doffs so I would expect a no on that too. I'll probably have to end up deleting it
I agree. If you want the boff layout you can buy the mirror raptor.
Exactly. We have the Mirror Qin and it has the same bridge officer seating and consoles as the Gumby. Shield and hull are different of course due to the cloak, but it's close enough. Same turn, same impulse mod, little different in inertia.
My question is what about the Varanus? Has that been addressed yet?
And what about the Varanus guys? It's like the unique decent low tier sci ship for klingons (except for the Vo'Quv). We need to debate on this one, at least to balance a bit ('cause feds have lots of options at that lvl).
And what about the Varanus guys? It's like the unique decent low tier sci ship for klingons (except for the Vo'Quv). We need to debate on this one, at least to balance a bit ('cause feds have lots of options at that lvl).
for what it's worth, as long as you're not using the repair console I think it would be fine.
for what it's worth, as long as you're not using the repair console I think it would be fine.
That's exactly what i thought about it, disallow the repair console for same reasons we said in the OP, 'cause i think stats-wise is a regular t4/lvl40. Voporak, what do you think?
The Varanus and Scourge are allowed now. The Varanus gives the KDF more science options, and the Scourge is identical to a patrol escort.
Don't start asking for C-store ships all over, though. We're considering them on a 1 by 1 basis because we need to determine whether a store ship has either:
-An identical stat free ship (Patrol escort)
-No free variety (There was no KDF science ship besides Varanus)
what about the Prometheus Multi-Vector Module and the Galaxy's Saucer Separation?
They enable a functionality that was in canon built in the ship itself. I don't remember the Doctor in Message in Bottle needed a console to divide the ship.
Same goes for Star Trek Generations: when a warp core breach was occurring in main engineering, Deanna could separate the ship; she didn't say to Riker "we can't, we're not allowed to do so", and blew up.
what about the Prometheus Multi-Vector Module and the Galaxy's Saucer Separation?
They enable a functionality that was in canon built in the ship itself. I don't remember the Doctor in Message in Bottle needed a console to divide the ship.
Same goes for Star Trek Generations: when a warp core breach was occurring in main engineering, Deanna could separate the ship; she didn't say to Riker "we can't, we're not allowed to do so", and blew up.
We're thinking about it. One possible answer could be using it on the mirror Patrol.
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The Beta part will out turn any other mirror escort, it will become a special "must have".
Also true...
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Holy TRIBBLE!
If this is the attitude I'm getting out of an idea, I was right about staying in STB. Nothing else to see here then, moving on.
I have already given you the answer. If we examine those ships and determine them fair and balanced, we will allow them. Until then, please stop trying to stir up trouble by asking repeatedly. If you don't like VPvP, you don't have to join.
C-Store ships are a very slippery slope. If we are not careful about what's added, we will end up with our own P2W and power creep on our hands.
C-Store ships are a very slippery slope. If we are not careful about what's added, we will end up with our own P2W and power creep on our hands.
This...
Problem is: one wants multivector, other wants Dreadnought, other wants Tempest, and if let's say we allow multivector then people will start asking bout better ships, and the power creep will go on.
No.
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This...
Problem is: one wants multivector, other wants Dreadnought, other wants Tempest, and if let's say we allow multivector then people will start asking bout better ships, and the power creep will go on.
No.
Point is, the MVAE from C-Store is waaay worse than the Mirror Patrol, because of the added ensign tactical. Even if you allow the ship itself, everyone would stick with the mirror version lol. Using MVAM has drawbacks; I can feel less shields and hull.
Dreadnought goes for the same IMO. Lance is pretty bad with the Galaxy-X, narrow firing arc, likely to miss. The heavy engi-focused boff setup, and 4/2/3 console layout won't make it any powerful.
Allowing them won't make people ask for better. They're nowhere near the Tempest's level of awesomeness in PvP.
Point is, the MVAE from C-Store is waaay worse than the Mirror Patrol, because of the added ensign tactical.
I think we understand your point, and I think others have explained the counter argument .
I would also love the Galaxy's separation ability to be included (as like your impression of the MVAM, my impression of the Galaxy is that it's not a "bad boy" in PVP) , but I have come to accept and like the idea of a base line for ships, as I see it as the best way to recreate the pre-Bug ship era PVP .
After thinking about creating an alternative load out on an existing ship (like I have for STB) , I went with a different route for VPVP and just equipped a banker toon that I just had laying around and doing nothing for 2 years .
The cost of the equipment was a bit higher then the OP suggested but nothing that broke the bank .
If you are tired of doing the same old STFs for 4.5 years now, but don't want to be one shotted or Sci-trolled-to-death in PVP, you might want to give VPVP a try .
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It can double tap but you have to have the target lined up while the lance charges and time the BO accordingly, so it takes a bit of skill and luck. What's nice about the lance is it hits everything in it's path so sometimes you can get a double kill lol.
I agree. If you want the boff layout you can buy the mirror raptor.
I would love to use my 200k Olympic but it's passive healing is like having a few human doffs so I would expect a no on that too. I'll probably have to end up deleting it
Exactly. We have the Mirror Qin and it has the same bridge officer seating and consoles as the Gumby. Shield and hull are different of course due to the cloak, but it's close enough. Same turn, same impulse mod, little different in inertia.
My question is what about the Varanus? Has that been addressed yet?
for what it's worth, as long as you're not using the repair console I think it would be fine.
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Don't start asking for C-store ships all over, though. We're considering them on a 1 by 1 basis because we need to determine whether a store ship has either:
-An identical stat free ship (Patrol escort)
-No free variety (There was no KDF science ship besides Varanus)
A solid case has been made for the veranus.
Good decision.
Have fun kill bad guys.
They enable a functionality that was in canon built in the ship itself. I don't remember the Doctor in Message in Bottle needed a console to divide the ship.
Same goes for Star Trek Generations: when a warp core breach was occurring in main engineering, Deanna could separate the ship; she didn't say to Riker "we can't, we're not allowed to do so", and blew up.
What can be more Trek than this?
links to consoles:
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Console_-_Universal_-_Multi-Vector_Assault_Module
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Console_-_Universal_-_Saucer_Separation
The Beta part will out turn any other mirror escort, it will become a special "must have".
We're thinking about it. One possible answer could be using it on the mirror Patrol.
we've broken all our bonds, but life kept going on, what a time, what a time it was..." - Clem Tholet
Also true...
we've broken all our bonds, but life kept going on, what a time, what a time it was..." - Clem Tholet
Holy TRIBBLE!
If this is the attitude I'm getting out of an idea, I was right about staying in STB. Nothing else to see here then, moving on.
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we need you in vpvp deokkent.
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@rudiefix Roms (KDF alligned): Chicita
I have already given you the answer. If we examine those ships and determine them fair and balanced, we will allow them. Until then, please stop trying to stir up trouble by asking repeatedly. If you don't like VPvP, you don't have to join.
C-Store ships are a very slippery slope. If we are not careful about what's added, we will end up with our own P2W and power creep on our hands.
+2. VPVP shouldn't have any clickable consoles or non-captain specific ships.
Having engs, sci, tact ships with LTC (insert non captain) ...
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This...
Problem is: one wants multivector, other wants Dreadnought, other wants Tempest, and if let's say we allow multivector then people will start asking bout better ships, and the power creep will go on.
No.
we've broken all our bonds, but life kept going on, what a time, what a time it was..." - Clem Tholet
Point is, the MVAE from C-Store is waaay worse than the Mirror Patrol, because of the added ensign tactical. Even if you allow the ship itself, everyone would stick with the mirror version lol. Using MVAM has drawbacks; I can feel less shields and hull.
Dreadnought goes for the same IMO. Lance is pretty bad with the Galaxy-X, narrow firing arc, likely to miss. The heavy engi-focused boff setup, and 4/2/3 console layout won't make it any powerful.
Allowing them won't make people ask for better. They're nowhere near the Tempest's level of awesomeness in PvP.
I think we understand your point, and I think others have explained the counter argument .
I would also love the Galaxy's separation ability to be included (as like your impression of the MVAM, my impression of the Galaxy is that it's not a "bad boy" in PVP) , but I have come to accept and like the idea of a base line for ships, as I see it as the best way to recreate the pre-Bug ship era PVP .
After thinking about creating an alternative load out on an existing ship (like I have for STB) , I went with a different route for VPVP and just equipped a banker toon that I just had laying around and doing nothing for 2 years .
The cost of the equipment was a bit higher then the OP suggested but nothing that broke the bank .
If you are tired of doing the same old STFs for 4.5 years now, but don't want to be one shotted or Sci-trolled-to-death in PVP, you might want to give VPVP a try .
This why i like VPVP, i finally can play pvp with toons that i stopped playing when reputation systems/doffs/fleet stuff come out.
Yeah, mostly due to the OP being written before the exchange fiddlers became aware of VPvP and hiked prices of purple Mk X items...
The cost estimates I went over earlier of about 1 master key should now be 2 keys really.