I don't see a reason why long hair styles can't be adapted for male characters. My Native American captain already uses the long ponytail option, and it'd be great if he could have a long hairstyle without it being tied up, at the very least for off-duty uniforms.
I was thinking though. Star Trek is a kind of in a bad spot. It supposedly depicts a world after prejudice has faded out in favor of tolerance and acceptance, yet when it comes down to it, it can't properly do that very thing. Crypticjoejing solidly gave us his stance, and it's understandable, but it just doesn't fit Star Trek.
Looking back on ToS, Roddenberry's vision displayed even narrower than what's depicted on ENT, implying that the Star Trek timeline has a far higher level of tolerance and acceptance than what's depicted, yet it can't be displayed, and there is strong irony here, because our current culture isn't at that level of tolerance and acceptance yet.
Star Trek shows us a post-scarcity society, but that does not necessarily equate a modern left-wing liberal utopia. While there is a greater deal of tolerance, that does not mean that prejudice has disappeared, because Star Trek is largely about the human condition, and prejudice is and will forever be a part that condition (and frankly, my TRIBBLE/bisexual friends can often be just as prejudiced against strictly straight people as strictly straight people are against them).
Also, I kind of get tired of this notion that the "gender binary" is some sort of oppressive tool of the patriarchy that needs to disappear, and I also get tired of the way people who hold that opinion seem to assume that a world in which this idea of a gender binary had been obliterated will lead to a GREATLY increased number of men running around with makeup and miniskirts (green, to contrast the red in his beard and because he's just feeling, like, TOTES autumnal today, y'know?) because there is very little proof, if any proof at all, that most people somehow feel like somebody is "forcing" them to be masculine or feminine.
crypticjoejing is a homophobe, which just makes me sad because he certainly hasn't said or done anything to deserve that sort of treatment).
However, while I don't agree with much of the ideological content of your request, I do agree with the request itself. And frankly, more customization means more opportunities to encounter those characters that people sometimes create that you think are super cool in a way you probably never would've come up with yourself. I mean hey, maybe I'd even get to run into Dr. Frank N. Furter in some dark and confusingly erotic part of the galaxy, and that'd just be swell (I guess Transylvania must be in a hitherto undiscovered part of the Delta quadrant).
Which in turn asks the question, who are Cryptic making this game for? The (insert religious scripture of your choice) thumping fundamentalist stuck in Victorian times or the fans of the series and movies?
The ESRB... They want the game to have a teen rating and despite their personal views (which we have no idea what they are) the game will not contain any content which will jeopardize their teen rating.
For all the talk of progressive views towards sexuality, the bottom line is what will keep their teen rating for the game. Maybe they do just see it as stupid for male characters to be dressed up as females or maybe it's because the ESRB would knock them for that. I'm not ready to whip out the label maker and start placing labels on the devs without more evidence than what was said so far though...
BUT... why stop with gender presentation... I'm voting for the "STO Unrated" pack for 21000 zen with all new skin and outfit options combined with interactive multi-character emotes!! If we're going to be sexually progressive, tolerant and open minded why limit it to simple clothing, hair and makeup choices? LOL :P
I said (repeatedly now) there are many items we need to evaluate, and that I agree things have been too restrictive. Seems like that would be a great response. To be upset that I don't pop on here and say, "oh yeah! we're gonna unlock everything!" isn't realistic.
And whether or not every single person here sees eye to eye on gender and sexuality (they don't), I think most people here *do agree* that we are here for the Star Trek license.
And we will evaluate based mainly on examples set forth on the show, taking some liberties as they make sense, based on a. priorities, b. difficulty, and c. the video game media.
My intent wasn't to list everything we would and wouldn't do as, again...we have yet to evaluate and prioritize, but some of the reactionary responses here are...reactionary. Seems premature to get bent out of shape on what you think will or won't be included.
Long hair on men? It would be great to have common male long hairdos. Eye shadow on Vulcans? I always assumed it was a trait of the Vulcans, not make-up, and therefore should be in the Vulcan base skin maybe. Skants? There is a precedent in the ST universe. Most likely one day. Facial hair on Andorians? Maybe? - did a quick image search, yet no example of Andorians with facial hair. Still, that doesn't mean "no". But it doesn't mean "yes" either at this point. These are the very types of things we will consider and evaluate.
Feel free to tell us what you'd like to see. Feel free to share examples from Star Trek sources. But remember, most of the devs are Star Trek fans too.
Joking aside, of course we aren't making it into a cartoon, but, we have to exaggerate some elements and simplify others for the game. You can disagree all you want, but...you're wrong. Period.
"Just do it just like the shows!", doesn't work. A TV show or movie is an entirely different media than a game for what should be obvious reasons.
You can't play the game in that camera. And if these guys were enemies in our game using our ground combat camera you couldn't tell the difference in rank without the HUD. So we'd have to design visual cues for the game.
And guess what? The very HUD you're looking at is the most blatant example of how we have to stylize & abstract reality for the game.
Do we have the perfect mix? No.
Unfortunately my shorthand example of scale=toughness got blown way out of proportion. It's a useful tool that can and should be used in conjunction with other things. I already said we have some grievous mistreatments. So, surprise! you aren't proving me wrong - good chance I agree with you.
But great, point out specific eye sores so we can evaluate and address. Just do it in another thread as I already helping to derail this topic enough as is.
Actually, I think this has improved greatly with the Vaadwaur. You opted to have their gear denote their strength, rather than their size, which is pretty consistent across the board. Even Gaul looks...average next to his fellow Vaadwaur...
Thank you!
It was a very conscious decision to depict the ranks this way, using more visual cues to our advantage beyond simply size. So aside from the gear differences you mentioned (including weapons and packs), we leveraged color palettes, powers, proportions, and silhouettes.
Even so, scale still plays an important roll. Ensigns are smallest in stature, Captains, the biggest. And some of the named captains (aside from Gaul) are fairly big compared to a human - in these cases there is also game story to support why.
Size (still) = toughness (usually).
(and is one of many important tools to quickly tell a visual story of strength)
I just want to say that I am very thankful towards the whole Art Department ( I have no idea how many people that includes) for giving us the chance to post wishes and questions here.
I know you can't always do what we would like to have, but you guys really reach out your hands to us.
In the month when Mr. D'Angelo was EP, tons of old character/costume bugs were corrected and that is still going on.
I really love it that you, callevista, swallrus, taco,... pop up here and tell a bit about your work, technical stuff, or even ask for our opinions and wishes.
For god's sake, I have bought 10 outfit slots last week with the sale, because of all the fancy costumes.
Thanks a lot!
And now lets talk about the Skant and Off-Duty Boff costume slots... :P
Feel free to tell us what you'd like to see. Feel free to share examples from Star Trek sources. But remember, most of the devs are Star Trek fans too.
I said (repeatedly now) there are many items we need to evaluate, and that I agree things have been too restrictive. Seems like that would be a great response. To be upset that I don't pop on here and say, "oh yeah! we're gonna unlock everything!" isn't realistic.
And whether or not every single person here sees eye to eye on gender and sexuality (they don't), I think most people here *do agree* that we are here for the Star Trek license.
And we will evaluate based mainly on examples set forth on the show, taking some liberties as they make sense, based on a. priorities, b. difficulty, and c. the video game media.
My intent wasn't to list everything we would and wouldn't do as, again...we have yet to evaluate and prioritize, but some of the reactionary responses here are...reactionary. Seems premature to get bent out of shape on what you think will or won't be included.
Long hair on men? It would be great to have common male long hairdos. Eye shadow on Vulcans? I always assumed it was a trait of the Vulcans, not make-up, and therefore should be in the Vulcan base skin maybe. Skants? There is a precedent in the ST universe. Most likely one day. Facial hair on Andorians? Maybe? - did a quick image search, yet no example of Andorians with facial hair. Still, that doesn't mean "no". But it doesn't mean "yes" either at this point. These are the very types of things we will consider and evaluate.
Feel free to tell us what you'd like to see. Feel free to share examples from Star Trek sources. But remember, most of the devs are Star Trek fans too.
Joking aside, of course we aren't making it into a cartoon, but, we have to exaggerate some elements and simplify others for the game. You can disagree all you want, but...you're wrong. Period.
"Just do it just like the shows!", doesn't work. A TV show or movie is an entirely different media than a game for what should be obvious reasons.
You can't play the game in that camera. And if these guys were enemies in our game using our ground combat camera you couldn't tell the difference in rank without the HUD. So we'd have to design visual cues for the game.
And guess what? The very HUD you're looking at is the most blatant example of how we have to stylize & abstract reality for the game.
Do we have the perfect mix? No.
Unfortunately my shorthand example of scale=toughness got blown way out of proportion. It's a useful tool that can and should be used in conjunction with other things. I already said we have some grievous mistreatments. So, surprise! you aren't proving me wrong - good chance I agree with you.
But great, point out specific eye sores so we can evaluate and address. Just do it in another thread as I already helping to derail this topic enough as is.
Leading to:
Thank you!
It was a very conscious decision to depict the ranks this way, using more visual cues to our advantage beyond simply size. So aside from the gear differences you mentioned (including weapons and packs), we leveraged color palettes, powers, proportions, and silhouettes.
Even so, scale still plays an important roll. Ensigns are smallest in stature, Captains, the biggest. And some of the named captains (aside from Gaul) are fairly big compared to a human - in these cases there is also game story to support why.
Size (still) = toughness (usually).
(and is one of many important tools to quickly tell a visual story of strength)
Nitpicking is a time-honored tradition of science fiction. Asking your readers not to worry about the "little things" is like asking a dog not to sniff at people's crotches. If there's something that appears to violate natural laws, then you can expect someone's going to point it out. That's just the way things are.
I said (repeatedly now) there are many items we need to evaluate, and that I agree things have been too restrictive. Seems like that would be a great response. To be upset that I don't pop on here and say, "oh yeah! we're gonna unlock everything!" isn't realistic.
And whether or not every single person here sees eye to eye on gender and sexuality (they don't), I think most people here *do agree* that we are here for the Star Trek license.
And we will evaluate based mainly on examples set forth on the show, taking some liberties as they make sense, based on a. priorities, b. difficulty, and c. the video game media.
My intent wasn't to list everything we would and wouldn't do as, again...we have yet to evaluate and prioritize, but some of the reactionary responses here are...reactionary. Seems premature to get bent out of shape on what you think will or won't be included.
Long hair on men? It would be great to have common male long hairdos. Eye shadow on Vulcans? I always assumed it was a trait of the Vulcans, not make-up, and therefore should be in the Vulcan base skin maybe. Skants? There is a precedent in the ST universe. Most likely one day. Facial hair on Andorians? Maybe? - did a quick image search, yet no example of Andorians with facial hair. Still, that doesn't mean "no". But it doesn't mean "yes" either at this point. These are the very types of things we will consider and evaluate.
Feel free to tell us what you'd like to see. Feel free to share examples from Star Trek sources. But remember, most of the devs are Star Trek fans too.
Joking aside, of course we aren't making it into a cartoon, but, we have to exaggerate some elements and simplify others for the game. You can disagree all you want, but...you're wrong. Period.
"Just do it just like the shows!", doesn't work. A TV show or movie is an entirely different media than a game for what should be obvious reasons.
You can't play the game in that camera. And if these guys were enemies in our game using our ground combat camera you couldn't tell the difference in rank without the HUD. So we'd have to design visual cues for the game.
And guess what? The very HUD you're looking at is the most blatant example of how we have to stylize & abstract reality for the game.
Do we have the perfect mix? No.
Unfortunately my shorthand example of scale=toughness got blown way out of proportion. It's a useful tool that can and should be used in conjunction with other things. I already said we have some grievous mistreatments. So, surprise! you aren't proving me wrong - good chance I agree with you.
But great, point out specific eye sores so we can evaluate and address. Just do it in another thread as I already helping to derail this topic enough as is.
Leading to:
Thank you!
It was a very conscious decision to depict the ranks this way, using more visual cues to our advantage beyond simply size. So aside from the gear differences you mentioned (including weapons and packs), we leveraged color palettes, powers, proportions, and silhouettes.
Even so, scale still plays an important roll. Ensigns are smallest in stature, Captains, the biggest. And some of the named captains (aside from Gaul) are fairly big compared to a human - in these cases there is also game story to support why.
Size (still) = toughness (usually).
(and is one of many important tools to quickly tell a visual story of strength)
A couple of quick notes:
- If Andorians can't have facial hair, why can Aenar have facial hair?
- Talaxian hairstyles would work great on Andorians/Aenar based on what was shown on screen and would allow for looks that are generally closer to canon. They might also work fairly well for Caitians since they seem to use a similar art style.
- Data's hairstyle more or less exists as a female hairstyle. I played around in demo editor and it can be applied to male heads but needs a bit of adjustment to prevent clipping at normal proportions.
- Some of those female hairstyles would look great with warrior type males. One of them is basically Conan's hairstyle and another is basically He-Man's. They may be odd but no more so than mohawks and the weird cyberpunk looks we have now.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Feel free to tell us what you'd like to see. Feel free to share examples from Star Trek sources. But remember, most of the devs are Star Trek fans too.
What i really would like is the Seven of Nine uniform be available for all factions. It would make only sense, liberating borg tech got apparently shared with all, but the outfit is not?
Expand the liberated borg species away from been a separate species one chose, make it a like a addon to an existing race, so you can have liberate gorn borg, liberated telurian borg and so one.
What i really would like is the Seven of Nine uniform be available for all factions. It would make only sense, liberating borg tech got apparently shared with all, but the outfit is not?
Expand the liberated borg species away from been a separate species one chose, make it a like a addon to an existing race, so you can have liberate gorn borg, liberated telurian borg and so one.
This wasn't really possible at launch but I'd think next time lifer rewards get looked at, maybe it would be ideal to make the traits claimable on all characters as well as costume pieces and skintones. (There was no way to learn traits when the game launched.)
At least in most races, this needs to happen. For humans, their society has grown from largely traditional to largely secular. Naturally, this should mean that males and females wouldn't be culturally pressured to 'default' into certain behaviors and dress more than the other sex. In other species wouldn't necessarily have sexually segregated genders that historically match Earth's. I think sex restrictions in relation to these cultural traditions needs to dissolve. Especially for the Alien generator 'species'.
JoeJing, my request is basically to make all hairstyles(excluding ones that reflect male pattern baldness or facial hair, as these would be biological), makeup elements, and character stances available to both sexes.
I say No
just No
And no pink TuTu's for Klingon males either...Just no !
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
It does in fact mean that. They can only wear Romulan uniforms, but I'm ok with that.
Well that was a major disappointment... And waste of fleet credits.
Is there a special trick to actually get them to wear the romulan uniforms or are we stuck with civilian clothes on purpose?
Well that was a major disappointment... And waste of fleet credits.
Is there a special trick to actually get them to wear the romulan uniforms or are we stuck with civilian clothes on purpose?
Unfortunately all the Romulan Republic uniforms are unlocked by playing the Romulan story...meaning they can be unlocked only on Romulan toons.
They can wear C-Store historical uniforms if you have them.
Unfortunately all the Romulan Republic uniforms are unlocked by playing the Romulan story...meaning they can be unlocked only on Romulan toons.
They can wear C-Store historical uniforms if you have them.
So that's a general thing, I hoped it would be a bug on my side...
Problem is I "role play wise" want a representative from my actual romulan ship, and they wear the republic clothes.
Also I like them unlike the historical ones.
Right now she's wearing the veteran coat which is.... At least close. But seems that will be my only romulan boff
And no pink TuTu's for Klingon males either...Just no !
Point to the pink tutus ingame for males or females of any faction please .
It might be nice to get some of the female long hair choices for males, or at least some untied long hair :cool:.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Eye shadow on Vulcans? I always assumed it was a trait of the Vulcans, not make-up, and therefore should be in the Vulcan base skin maybe.
Thank you, this is something that I've always felt was lacking in STO's depiction of Vulcans, (My primary character is a Vulcan)
I too always felt that the Vulcan eye makeup thing was actually a trait to that species.
I also feel that the Romulan forehead options should be opened up for the Vulcan species too, since those two species were once depicted as being physically indistinguishable from one another. They are after all from the same subspecies.
Which opens up another point.
In STO you can, and many do, invent their own species. Who's to say what traits these species, would or should have? It's all up to the creator's imagination.
All traits male and female should all be opened up.
I could see someone wanting to depict a race of androgynous males and females, Like the Binars or J'naii were depicted as in TNG.
Or even perhaps a race of Amazonian like warrior women who are physically robust, while who's males were slight, effeminate with demure dispositions, like we saw in the TNG episode Angel one.
I also always felt that Borg Drones, were very androgynous since the sexes, really didn't have the traditional roles expressed anymore, aside maybe from the Queen, who is another topic all together imo.
I think Star Trek canon has offered us a plethora of examples, of where the op's request is a practical and valid one. All that one must do, is look for them.
I said (repeatedly now) there are many items we need to evaluate, and that I agree things have been too restrictive. Seems like that would be a great response. To be upset that I don't pop on here and say, "oh yeah! we're gonna unlock everything!" isn't realistic.
While you're looking at removing restrictions, can you *please* please please please let all boffs/players use the uniform options that the default 5 Romulan boffs get access to? Specifically talking about the Doctor's Coat, Medical Bag, etc that those boffs get that other boffs (and players do not).
It's extremely anti-customization to have those parts restricted to a few terrible boffs that only one faction gets. I want to use those options on boffs that aren't green and white, and on boffs and characters that aren't Romulan. *PLEASE* let us use them on other boffs and player characters, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE! Been asking for this since LoR launched. I want it even more than I want to murder Tovan.
There is this vendor in the Dyson sphere delta allience headquarters.
She has a winter jacket in a color scheme resembling the romulan republic uniforms and a prety cool chest gear piece (a holstered gun)..... I'd like to have those to, pretty pretty please.
There is this vendor in the Dyson sphere delta allience headquarters.
She has a winter jacket in a color scheme resembling the romulan republic uniforms and a prety cool chest gear piece (a holstered gun)..... I'd like to have those to, pretty pretty please.
Ah, yes. The old NPCs have cooler stuff than we do situation...yes, we all want their stuff.
I mean...this stuff already exists. Why can't we use it?
I can accept female stances for male characters. Some guys will stand like that sometimes, even though it's dumb in my opinions. Though I sort of think some stances should be removed for Starfleet--what kind of self-respecting Starfleet officer would swing her hips on duty like that? If she walks down a crowded hall, she'll knock everyone over with her wildly swinging pelvis!
In a way, I would like to see makeup removed altogether. These are professional men and women--they should aim to inspire respect, not beauty, and STO girls are quite pretty without it. Men wear makeup too, sometimes--goth stuff springs to mind--but that's not really professional. This is the only kind of makeup I think anyone really needs. That and maybe the occasional set of black around the eyes to reduce glare.
And apologies to jodarkrider, but I kind of want to see the female form stay mostly how it is now, not so much for attractiveness but for the identification purposes I mentioned above. In STO, you usually only get to see people from far away. Large gender ques like hairstyle and body shape are all you can really make out. If this was a first-person game, and you could walk up to people and look them in the face, I'd feel differently.
That being said, female toons could do with the ability to be a bit stouter and have smaller TRIBBLE. The current breast size, in particular, is kind of silly, and not nearly as important for small-scale identification as the overall form.
Definitely add the undershirts to female open uniforms. Remember what I said about professional?
You are a fool sir, other than this thread being started by a cry that cryptic will refuse to hear, this cry is to make cryptic support tomboys and pansies more. So... you want females to just be either homely medusas or old battleaxes, you dont like a ladies TRIBBLE eh? Do I care? Does anybody who does not agree with orange or you or whoever else care? And most importantly: Does Smirk or any devs care? No they do not. Rewatch the shows and you will notice many women are quite attractive: Deanna Troi, B'lanna Torres, Uhura, T'Pol, Beverly Crusher, practiclly every woman serving on the TOS Enterprise, and most of all: Seven of Nine. We players can have long hair, short hair, we can be young and beutiful, or old and ugly, we can have the seductive stance or the swagger (like my kdf female), we can wear skirts to show off our legs and open uniforms to show off our TRIBBLE or we can wear somthing loose to look professional, and dont get me started on the Seven of Nine uniform. And plus not all of us consider ourselves Starfleet officers, Romulan commanders, or Klingon warriors, so we have a choice on how we want to look. And please guys if you want all stances and yet want all beauty, female stances, and female long hair to be outlawed or at least get thrown at Orion women. And for jodarkrider: I am so used to pointing out who is a female by seeing a pretty face, I thought you were male until I saw your posts in the epic screenshot thread, so good job on making a one of a kind female toon.
P.S: Makeup: You want professional officers to go around with pimples and freakles? Makeup is fine as it is.
Captain Joseph Riker, U.S.S. Odyssey==General V'Mar, U.S.S. Blackwater-A==Admiral Laura Holmes, U.S.S. Forward Unto Dawn Grand Master Thotok, son of Koloth, I.K.S. Sompek==Dahar Master Shanara, I.K.S. Balth'Quv Admiral R'Tath V'Tirex, R.R.W. Dhael Glohha'enh==Commander Ta'eth Korval, R.R.W Hachae ch'Rhian==Admiral Vranuk, R.R.W Delevhas
I will never understand why many humans playing this game want to kill a well-written npc/boff who has so much humanity, but thats an argument for another thread
Captain Joseph Riker, U.S.S. Odyssey==General V'Mar, U.S.S. Blackwater-A==Admiral Laura Holmes, U.S.S. Forward Unto Dawn Grand Master Thotok, son of Koloth, I.K.S. Sompek==Dahar Master Shanara, I.K.S. Balth'Quv Admiral R'Tath V'Tirex, R.R.W. Dhael Glohha'enh==Commander Ta'eth Korval, R.R.W Hachae ch'Rhian==Admiral Vranuk, R.R.W Delevhas
And for jodarkrider: I am so used to pointing out who is a female by seeing a pretty face, I thought you were male until I saw your posts in the epic screenshot thread, so good job on making a one of a kind female toon.
Not sure if it's a compliment... but I'll take it as such, as I just am not into pretty-faced female, just because gender = female.
Anyways, most people here in this topic just want diversity, only few individuals, whom I will not name or shame feel like they have the right to restrict others' desire for diversity and options. And that's what this topic is about - to losen the restrictions and to offer more options for people, so they can make their character as close to their desires as possible, without arbitrary restrictions, and furthermore, get away from the comics-book art style, which totally doesn't suit Trek.
[10:20] Your Lunge deals 4798 (2580) Physical Damage(Critical) to Tosk of Borg.
Star Trek Online Volunteer Community Moderator "bIghojchugh DaneH, Dumev pagh. bIghojqangbe'chugh, DuQaHlaH pagh." "Learn lots. Don't judge. Laugh for no reason. Be nice. Seek happiness."~Day[9] "Your fun isn't wrong."~LaughingTrendy
Not sure if it's a compliment... but I'll take it as such, as I just am not into pretty-faced female, just because gender = female.
Anyways, most people here in this topic just want diversity, only few individuals, whom I will not name or shame feel like they have the right to restrict others' desire for diversity and options. And that's what this topic is about - to losen the restrictions and to offer more options for people, so they can make their character as close to their desires as possible, without arbitrary restrictions, and furthermore, get away from the comics-book art style, which totally doesn't suit Trek.
It was a compliment, for making a one-ofa-kind toon
Captain Joseph Riker, U.S.S. Odyssey==General V'Mar, U.S.S. Blackwater-A==Admiral Laura Holmes, U.S.S. Forward Unto Dawn Grand Master Thotok, son of Koloth, I.K.S. Sompek==Dahar Master Shanara, I.K.S. Balth'Quv Admiral R'Tath V'Tirex, R.R.W. Dhael Glohha'enh==Commander Ta'eth Korval, R.R.W Hachae ch'Rhian==Admiral Vranuk, R.R.W Delevhas
I will never understand why many humans playing this game want to kill a well-written npc/boff who has so much humanity, but thats an argument for another thread
Haha, yes I am unfamiliar with Tovan. Why the hate? Is there another thread to reference?
Comments
Commanding Officer: Captain Pyotr Ramonovich Amosov
Dedication Plaque: "Nil Intentatum Reliquit"
Star Trek shows us a post-scarcity society, but that does not necessarily equate a modern left-wing liberal utopia. While there is a greater deal of tolerance, that does not mean that prejudice has disappeared, because Star Trek is largely about the human condition, and prejudice is and will forever be a part that condition (and frankly, my TRIBBLE/bisexual friends can often be just as prejudiced against strictly straight people as strictly straight people are against them).
Also, I kind of get tired of this notion that the "gender binary" is some sort of oppressive tool of the patriarchy that needs to disappear, and I also get tired of the way people who hold that opinion seem to assume that a world in which this idea of a gender binary had been obliterated will lead to a GREATLY increased number of men running around with makeup and miniskirts (green, to contrast the red in his beard and because he's just feeling, like, TOTES autumnal today, y'know?) because there is very little proof, if any proof at all, that most people somehow feel like somebody is "forcing" them to be masculine or feminine.
crypticjoejing is a homophobe, which just makes me sad because he certainly hasn't said or done anything to deserve that sort of treatment).
However, while I don't agree with much of the ideological content of your request, I do agree with the request itself. And frankly, more customization means more opportunities to encounter those characters that people sometimes create that you think are super cool in a way you probably never would've come up with yourself. I mean hey, maybe I'd even get to run into Dr. Frank N. Furter in some dark and confusingly erotic part of the galaxy, and that'd just be swell (I guess Transylvania must be in a hitherto undiscovered part of the Delta quadrant).
My character Tsin'xing
The ESRB... They want the game to have a teen rating and despite their personal views (which we have no idea what they are) the game will not contain any content which will jeopardize their teen rating.
For all the talk of progressive views towards sexuality, the bottom line is what will keep their teen rating for the game. Maybe they do just see it as stupid for male characters to be dressed up as females or maybe it's because the ESRB would knock them for that. I'm not ready to whip out the label maker and start placing labels on the devs without more evidence than what was said so far though...
BUT... why stop with gender presentation... I'm voting for the "STO Unrated" pack for 21000 zen with all new skin and outfit options combined with interactive multi-character emotes!! If we're going to be sexually progressive, tolerant and open minded why limit it to simple clothing, hair and makeup choices? LOL :P
Captain Ariel Trueheart Department of Temporal Investigations
U.S.S. Valkyrie - NCC 991701
=/\= ================================= =/\=
I said (repeatedly now) there are many items we need to evaluate, and that I agree things have been too restrictive. Seems like that would be a great response. To be upset that I don't pop on here and say, "oh yeah! we're gonna unlock everything!" isn't realistic.
And whether or not every single person here sees eye to eye on gender and sexuality (they don't), I think most people here *do agree* that we are here for the Star Trek license.
And we will evaluate based mainly on examples set forth on the show, taking some liberties as they make sense, based on a. priorities, b. difficulty, and c. the video game media.
My intent wasn't to list everything we would and wouldn't do as, again...we have yet to evaluate and prioritize, but some of the reactionary responses here are...reactionary. Seems premature to get bent out of shape on what you think will or won't be included.
Long hair on men? It would be great to have common male long hairdos. Eye shadow on Vulcans? I always assumed it was a trait of the Vulcans, not make-up, and therefore should be in the Vulcan base skin maybe. Skants? There is a precedent in the ST universe. Most likely one day. Facial hair on Andorians? Maybe? - did a quick image search, yet no example of Andorians with facial hair. Still, that doesn't mean "no". But it doesn't mean "yes" either at this point. These are the very types of things we will consider and evaluate.
Feel free to tell us what you'd like to see. Feel free to share examples from Star Trek sources. But remember, most of the devs are Star Trek fans too.
That is a very good point, which I believe wholeheartedly, though I meant more overt than that. At the same time, I also didn't literally mean a caricature: https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2850/11051674513_0ceb40b526.jpg
Joking aside, of course we aren't making it into a cartoon, but, we have to exaggerate some elements and simplify others for the game. You can disagree all you want, but...you're wrong. Period.
"Just do it just like the shows!", doesn't work. A TV show or movie is an entirely different media than a game for what should be obvious reasons.
On the show I can clearly see these guys are different ranks because they get a nice little close up when/if you need it. http://subspacecomms.com/sites/default/files/070609-trivia/6.jpg
You can't play the game in that camera. And if these guys were enemies in our game using our ground combat camera you couldn't tell the difference in rank without the HUD. So we'd have to design visual cues for the game.
And guess what? The very HUD you're looking at is the most blatant example of how we have to stylize & abstract reality for the game.
Do we have the perfect mix? No.
Unfortunately my shorthand example of scale=toughness got blown way out of proportion. It's a useful tool that can and should be used in conjunction with other things. I already said we have some grievous mistreatments. So, surprise! you aren't proving me wrong - good chance I agree with you.
But great, point out specific eye sores so we can evaluate and address. Just do it in another thread as I already helping to derail this topic enough as is.
Leading to:
Thank you!
It was a very conscious decision to depict the ranks this way, using more visual cues to our advantage beyond simply size. So aside from the gear differences you mentioned (including weapons and packs), we leveraged color palettes, powers, proportions, and silhouettes.
Even so, scale still plays an important roll. Ensigns are smallest in stature, Captains, the biggest. And some of the named captains (aside from Gaul) are fairly big compared to a human - in these cases there is also game story to support why.
Size (still) = toughness (usually).
(and is one of many important tools to quickly tell a visual story of strength)
I know you can't always do what we would like to have, but you guys really reach out your hands to us.
In the month when Mr. D'Angelo was EP, tons of old character/costume bugs were corrected and that is still going on.
I really love it that you, callevista, swallrus, taco,... pop up here and tell a bit about your work, technical stuff, or even ask for our opinions and wishes.
For god's sake, I have bought 10 outfit slots last week with the sale, because of all the fancy costumes.
Thanks a lot!
And now lets talk about the Skant and Off-Duty Boff costume slots...
I'd like to see facial hair for Romulans. Off the top of my head I can't think of any instances where ROMULANS had facial hair, but I'd like to point out that they are essentially Vulcans, and, well http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/a/a7/Spock_(mirror).jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090220220251&path-prefix=en and http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/startrek/images/7/75/Soval_mirror.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111229020106
Let us upgrade the Seleya Ceremonial Lirpa and Kri'stak Blade
+50 Internet Points for you, sir. Well done.
Joined January 2009
A couple of quick notes:
- If Andorians can't have facial hair, why can Aenar have facial hair?
- Talaxian hairstyles would work great on Andorians/Aenar based on what was shown on screen and would allow for looks that are generally closer to canon. They might also work fairly well for Caitians since they seem to use a similar art style.
- Data's hairstyle more or less exists as a female hairstyle. I played around in demo editor and it can be applied to male heads but needs a bit of adjustment to prevent clipping at normal proportions.
- Some of those female hairstyles would look great with warrior type males. One of them is basically Conan's hairstyle and another is basically He-Man's. They may be odd but no more so than mohawks and the weird cyberpunk looks we have now.
unless beards isn't what facial hair is supposed to mean...although, i can't imagine what it would be then
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
What i really would like is the Seven of Nine uniform be available for all factions. It would make only sense, liberating borg tech got apparently shared with all, but the outfit is not?
Expand the liberated borg species away from been a separate species one chose, make it a like a addon to an existing race, so you can have liberate gorn borg, liberated telurian borg and so one.
This wasn't really possible at launch but I'd think next time lifer rewards get looked at, maybe it would be ideal to make the traits claimable on all characters as well as costume pieces and skintones. (There was no way to learn traits when the game launched.)
Agreed with that...
But also... Does your Signaturen mean we can costumize romulan embassy boffs now?
It does in fact mean that. They can only wear Romulan uniforms, but I'm ok with that.
Let us upgrade the Seleya Ceremonial Lirpa and Kri'stak Blade
As a matter of fact i do care more about having Boffs with romulan uniforms (which I love^^) then about the traits...
So I'm off getting some romulan BOS then^^
I say No
just No
And no pink TuTu's for Klingon males either...Just no !
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Well that was a major disappointment... And waste of fleet credits.
Is there a special trick to actually get them to wear the romulan uniforms or are we stuck with civilian clothes on purpose?
They can wear C-Store historical uniforms if you have them.
So that's a general thing, I hoped it would be a bug on my side...
Problem is I "role play wise" want a representative from my actual romulan ship, and they wear the republic clothes.
Also I like them unlike the historical ones.
Right now she's wearing the veteran coat which is.... At least close. But seems that will be my only romulan boff
Point to the pink tutus ingame for males or females of any faction please
It might be nice to get some of the female long hair choices for males, or at least some untied long hair :cool:.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Get the Forums Enhancement Extension!
Thank you, this is something that I've always felt was lacking in STO's depiction of Vulcans, (My primary character is a Vulcan)
I too always felt that the Vulcan eye makeup thing was actually a trait to that species.
I also feel that the Romulan forehead options should be opened up for the Vulcan species too, since those two species were once depicted as being physically indistinguishable from one another. They are after all from the same subspecies.
Which opens up another point.
In STO you can, and many do, invent their own species. Who's to say what traits these species, would or should have? It's all up to the creator's imagination.
All traits male and female should all be opened up.
I could see someone wanting to depict a race of androgynous males and females, Like the Binars or J'naii were depicted as in TNG.
Or even perhaps a race of Amazonian like warrior women who are physically robust, while who's males were slight, effeminate with demure dispositions, like we saw in the TNG episode Angel one.
I also always felt that Borg Drones, were very androgynous since the sexes, really didn't have the traditional roles expressed anymore, aside maybe from the Queen, who is another topic all together imo.
I think Star Trek canon has offered us a plethora of examples, of where the op's request is a practical and valid one. All that one must do, is look for them.
While you're looking at removing restrictions, can you *please* please please please let all boffs/players use the uniform options that the default 5 Romulan boffs get access to? Specifically talking about the Doctor's Coat, Medical Bag, etc that those boffs get that other boffs (and players do not).
It's extremely anti-customization to have those parts restricted to a few terrible boffs that only one faction gets. I want to use those options on boffs that aren't green and white, and on boffs and characters that aren't Romulan. *PLEASE* let us use them on other boffs and player characters, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE! Been asking for this since LoR launched. I want it even more than I want to murder Tovan.
If you don't want to wear something then don't. No one will stand with a disruptor aimed at you forcing you to dress a certain way.
An other point though, KDF needs long leather skirts/robes like the ones the Duras sisters had.
Recruitment: Neverwinter Online (spotlight)(wiki) - Star Trek Online Federation - Star Trek Online Klingon - Star Trek Online Romulan - Champions Online
Guild FAQs: Neverwinter FAQ - Star Trek FAQ - Champions FAQ ..........Facebook: Mattachine Guild
There is this vendor in the Dyson sphere delta allience headquarters.
She has a winter jacket in a color scheme resembling the romulan republic uniforms and a prety cool chest gear piece (a holstered gun)..... I'd like to have those to, pretty pretty please.
Ah, yes. The old NPCs have cooler stuff than we do situation...yes, we all want their stuff.
I mean...this stuff already exists. Why can't we use it?
You are a fool sir, other than this thread being started by a cry that cryptic will refuse to hear, this cry is to make cryptic support tomboys and pansies more. So... you want females to just be either homely medusas or old battleaxes, you dont like a ladies TRIBBLE eh? Do I care? Does anybody who does not agree with orange or you or whoever else care? And most importantly: Does Smirk or any devs care? No they do not. Rewatch the shows and you will notice many women are quite attractive: Deanna Troi, B'lanna Torres, Uhura, T'Pol, Beverly Crusher, practiclly every woman serving on the TOS Enterprise, and most of all: Seven of Nine. We players can have long hair, short hair, we can be young and beutiful, or old and ugly, we can have the seductive stance or the swagger (like my kdf female), we can wear skirts to show off our legs and open uniforms to show off our TRIBBLE or we can wear somthing loose to look professional, and dont get me started on the Seven of Nine uniform. And plus not all of us consider ourselves Starfleet officers, Romulan commanders, or Klingon warriors, so we have a choice on how we want to look. And please guys if you want all stances and yet want all beauty, female stances, and female long hair to be outlawed or at least get thrown at Orion women. And for jodarkrider: I am so used to pointing out who is a female by seeing a pretty face, I thought you were male until I saw your posts in the epic screenshot thread, so good job on making a one of a kind female toon.
P.S: Makeup: You want professional officers to go around with pimples and freakles? Makeup is fine as it is.
Grand Master Thotok, son of Koloth, I.K.S. Sompek==Dahar Master Shanara, I.K.S. Balth'Quv
Admiral R'Tath V'Tirex, R.R.W. Dhael Glohha'enh==Commander Ta'eth Korval, R.R.W Hachae ch'Rhian==Admiral Vranuk, R.R.W Delevhas
I will never understand why many humans playing this game want to kill a well-written npc/boff who has so much humanity, but thats an argument for another thread
Grand Master Thotok, son of Koloth, I.K.S. Sompek==Dahar Master Shanara, I.K.S. Balth'Quv
Admiral R'Tath V'Tirex, R.R.W. Dhael Glohha'enh==Commander Ta'eth Korval, R.R.W Hachae ch'Rhian==Admiral Vranuk, R.R.W Delevhas
Not sure if it's a compliment... but I'll take it as such, as I just am not into pretty-faced female, just because gender = female.
Anyways, most people here in this topic just want diversity, only few individuals, whom I will not name or shame feel like they have the right to restrict others' desire for diversity and options. And that's what this topic is about - to losen the restrictions and to offer more options for people, so they can make their character as close to their desires as possible, without arbitrary restrictions, and furthermore, get away from the comics-book art style, which totally doesn't suit Trek.
Star Trek Online Volunteer Community Moderator
"bIghojchugh DaneH, Dumev pagh. bIghojqangbe'chugh, DuQaHlaH pagh."
"Learn lots. Don't judge. Laugh for no reason. Be nice. Seek happiness." ~Day[9]
"Your fun isn't wrong." ~LaughingTrendy
Find me on Twitterverse - @jodarkrider
It was a compliment, for making a one-ofa-kind toon
Grand Master Thotok, son of Koloth, I.K.S. Sompek==Dahar Master Shanara, I.K.S. Balth'Quv
Admiral R'Tath V'Tirex, R.R.W. Dhael Glohha'enh==Commander Ta'eth Korval, R.R.W Hachae ch'Rhian==Admiral Vranuk, R.R.W Delevhas
Haha, yes I am unfamiliar with Tovan. Why the hate? Is there another thread to reference?