So Dinos with lasers are still a problem, but not "Planet of the Prohibition era Gangsters"? Or "Planet of the TRIBBLE?"
Everywhere I look, people are screaming about how bad Cryptic is.
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
What? You think ship design stalls when the TV show ended.
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Nope, but at the least I would expect some kind of outsourcing for the the design.
Cryptic are games designers of generic games, and I don't particularly like their artistic abilities when it comes to revamping classic star trek ships.
I don't dislike change, I dislike poorly designed change.
Has anyone maybe thought that cryptic might have last the liscence to any further ships maybe? Didn't they have to renew recently? Could be that their big push for in house designed ships maybe because of something like this? Just a speculation.
Once again. Its not about having MORE ships. Its about Cryptic not upgrading CLASSIC ships to T6.
I have no interest in flying Cryptic designed ships. That is the issue.
Nope, but at the least I would expect some kind of outsourcing for the the design.
Cryptic are games designers of generic games, and I don't particularly like their artistic abilities when it comes to revamping classic star trek ships.
I don't dislike change, I dislike poorly designed change.
But its all in the eye of the beholder.
Unless your name is Les Moonves, you can take what you are given or go find something else to do.
Just because YOU don't like it does not automatically make it bad.
I think some of them are wonderful, and some of them are weird. But I'm here to enjoy myself, not find fault with every last detail because it doesn't fit "My Idea of Trek"
Everywhere I look, people are screaming about how bad Cryptic is.
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
Unless your name is Les Moonves, you can take what you are given or go find something else to do.
Just because YOU don't like it does not automatically make it bad.
I think some of them are wonderful, and some of them are weird. But I'm here to enjoy myself, not find fault with every last detail because it doesn't fit "My Idea of Trek"
My name is Miserable Les, and I like to complain, its comforting (to paraphrase the Dr from Voyager).
And yes, I do get what I am given (more often than not). And no, things that I do not like are not inherently 'bad', but that does not stop me complaining about them.
Despite my complaints, I continue to enjoy the game, if I didn't, I would not bother to moan about the parts I don't like.
So I guess its kind of a compliment to Cryptic, who despite their faults, have crafted a game I continue to play quite often.
As a fed. player i don't like 3 of the new t6 ships. The Guardian at lease looks like it belongs. And i did mention the game Star Trek Armada's ships only because most of them also look like they are from Trek. And since Crypitic has already started changing the ships,i could only hope they would make Fed ships look like Fed.ships. That's all i really want. Just my feelings on the subject.
So come on Cryptic, why DO we have dinosaurs with lasers?
for the same reason that tos had sex-bot robots, intelligent rocks, salt vampires, and so on. and i can give you just as many examples from tng, ds9, and voyager, like the voth, themselves, as dinosaurs that left the earth 65 million years ago. hell, q is just myxlplyx from the superman comics: trickster space imp with unlimited magical powers.
i sometimes think trek fans must have only watched about half the episodes made, and if anything that was just too corny they turned off the episode and went and watched saved by the bell instead.
and voyager, like the voth, themselves, as dinosaurs that left the earth 65 million years ago.
i sometimes think trek fans must have only watched about half the episodes made, and if anything that was just too corny they turned off the episode and went and watched saved by the bell instead.
I watch all the episodes, even the corny ones, but I DO like a little bit of logic with my cornflakes.
The Voth evolved into sentient intelligent bipedal (opposeable thumb?) creatures, who hated mamals (I kept up you see??)
What I dont understand is how they devolved back so quickly into a T'rex with lasers.
I think you'll find the answer to "Why are there dinosaurs with laser beams" is "Because it's awesome". I mean, who wouldn't want to fight a T-Rex that shoots laser beams?
The Voth evolved into sentient intelligent bipedal (opposeable thumb?) creatures, who hated mamals (I kept up you see??)
and what makes you think they didn't have dino-dogs when they left earth just like humans have mammalian dogs? and what makes you think they couldn't weaponize these dogs just like humans train dolphins to carry mines to enemy ships?
it's really not any dumber then hologram doctors that get to be sentient or vulcans who forget they have 2 sets of eyelids.
and what makes you think they didn't have dino-dogs when they left earth just like humans have mammalian dogs? and what makes you think they couldn't weaponize these dogs just like humans train dolphins to carry mines to enemy ships?
it's really not any dumber then hologram doctors that get to be sentient or vulcans who forget they have 2 sets of eyelids.
I would go with using elephants since they are closer in size to dinosaurs, but dinosaurs with lasers make more sense than a lot of stuff in STO like how we get access to Lockbox ships.
So basicly there was no statement and people are reading into things again?
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Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
First of all, they aren't dinosaurs. They're genetically-engineered beasts of burden who greatly resemble an outdated perception of our understanding of dinosaurs.
Dinosaurs had feathers. The Voth's creatures do not.
They're used as pack animals, war animals, and from an evolutionary standpoint, a dinosaur's bite and claws would be plenty to end a regular sentient person's life.
Strap some lasers onto what is already an apex predator, genetically modify it to be docile and obedient to its masters, and let it loose.
None of the creatures names were ever actually species of dinosaur. They resemble dinosaur names, but it's purely intentional -- they aren't dinosaurs.
It's like calling Data a human. Just because he was built to resemble a human to great effect, doesn't make Data human. He's an android.
So, if I get this right, the OP would rather have us use ugly kitbash ships that were designed solely to be filler ships during wolf 359 or the dominion war than actual cryptic designed ships?
I don't see what's wrong with introducing new ship designs. No one criticized Cryptic for designing the Dhelan or Ha'apax warbirds, since they aren't technically "canon" romulan designs. What about the Atrox, the Orion and Nausicaan ships not featured in canon? You can also go and say Gorn ships aren't canon because they didn't appear onscreen until the TOS Remastered episode that the gorn appeared in.
CBS approves any ship designs that go into the game, whether it's canon or something that is new. No one is going to force you to fly the cryptic designed Tier 6 ships.
So, if I get this right, the OP would rather have us use ugly kitbash ships that were designed solely to be filler ships during wolf 359 or the dominion war than actual cryptic designed ships?
I don't see what's wrong with introducing new ship designs. No one criticized Cryptic for designing the Dhelan or Ha'apax warbirds, since they aren't technically "canon" romulan designs. What about the Atrox, the Orion and Nausicaan ships not featured in canon? You can also go and say Gorn ships aren't canon because they didn't appear onscreen until the TOS Remastered episode that the gorn appeared in.
CBS approves any ship designs that go into the game, whether it's canon or something that is new. No one is going to force you to fly the cryptic designed Tier 6 ships.
Every ship has its fans.
Besides, there are some fairly well known (and popular in some circles) ship configurations that we don't have in game yet; some of those Wolf 359 kitbashes represent them.
I sort of agree with the op in that I'm not particularly fond of cryptics ship designs. I play this game to fly the ships I saw on the tv series and movies. With that said I understand that it's only my opinion and others, minority or not, enjoy the new designs. As others have said they are indeed running out of canon ship designs. Obviously this is the cash cow for this game so they need to keep making them. My hope is that they will somehow keep my old favorites on par with their new releases via upgrade or re-release...tho I'm not holding my breath.
Is anyone else concerned about the statement that Cryptic will not be using any further star trek I.P ships for the future expansion of the game?
I for one play star trek online for the I.P, and do not care one iota for cryptics 'efforts' at replicating the star trek classic ship designs.
If they are using the star trek name, logo, franchise and all that it entails, I would be very disapointed if they tried to shoehorn us into using the TRIBBLE aesthetics they have dreamed up as reinterpretations of classic trek ships for T6 and onwards.
And whilst I respect cryptic for creating the game and its contents, I feel it has to be said their ship design leaves ALOT to be desired - it is arrogance at its best, to think they have equaled (or superseded) the classic ship designs of Star Trek.
If you have to nickle and dime me, ok, do it, I will pay because I love star trek.
I draw the line at the imagination of a random cryptic/PWE artist who thinks they know better than the classically trained artist/sculptures who crafted many of the star trek ships.
I know I sound like a pompous TRIBBLE, and I accept it, I am not passionate about most things, but ship design, (particularly STAR TREK ship design, holds a big place in my heart).
if the team is going only fantasy ship route, then these ships should at least have some aesthetically pleasing designs to them, the federation prefer smooth curved lines and straight lines, look at any typical federation ship, even the steamie, all of it should be added to at least a few federation ship designs the team comes up with, quite recently there has been an influx of hideous ship looks prompting sharp ends and edges on designs.
the klingons should have a sort of smooth curved lines on the bridge and neck sections or in some locations, typically however given that klingon ships are designed tightly around the ship systems instead of for the crews sake, they just get a shelf to sleep on. more often then not the klingon designs have been more successful than expected.
the romulan designs, a few of these have been hit and miss but if canon designs have shown anything that they also run smooth corved lines, and unlike the federation there is the chance to have some sharp edges.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
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What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
Nope, but at the least I would expect some kind of outsourcing for the the design.
Cryptic are games designers of generic games, and I don't particularly like their artistic abilities when it comes to revamping classic star trek ships.
I don't dislike change, I dislike poorly designed change.
But its all in the eye of the beholder.
Must have missed that one. What statement is this?
And who came up with the Dino lasers?
At least the stories you mentioned had a back story.
Who explained why we have dinosaurs with lasers to the great unwashed masses?
Even Voyager didn't jump the shark that high.
So come on Cryptic, why DO we have dinosaurs with lasers?
Once again. Its not about having MORE ships. Its about Cryptic not upgrading CLASSIC ships to T6.
I have no interest in flying Cryptic designed ships. That is the issue.
Unless your name is Les Moonves, you can take what you are given or go find something else to do.
Just because YOU don't like it does not automatically make it bad.
I think some of them are wonderful, and some of them are weird. But I'm here to enjoy myself, not find fault with every last detail because it doesn't fit "My Idea of Trek"
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
Technically Data is dead. That's just B4 with Data's mind, and still an iffy ethical quandary.
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
I meant Shon, (captain of the same Enterprise), but thats a good point
My name is Miserable Les, and I like to complain, its comforting (to paraphrase the Dr from Voyager).
And yes, I do get what I am given (more often than not). And no, things that I do not like are not inherently 'bad', but that does not stop me complaining about them.
Despite my complaints, I continue to enjoy the game, if I didn't, I would not bother to moan about the parts I don't like.
So I guess its kind of a compliment to Cryptic, who despite their faults, have crafted a game I continue to play quite often.
Do not mistake my moaning for ingratitude
i sometimes think trek fans must have only watched about half the episodes made, and if anything that was just too corny they turned off the episode and went and watched saved by the bell instead.
I watch all the episodes, even the corny ones, but I DO like a little bit of logic with my cornflakes.
The Voth evolved into sentient intelligent bipedal (opposeable thumb?) creatures, who hated mamals (I kept up you see??)
What I dont understand is how they devolved back so quickly into a T'rex with lasers.
I forgot to mention, I like to have a moan.
it's really not any dumber then hologram doctors that get to be sentient or vulcans who forget they have 2 sets of eyelids.
I would go with using elephants since they are closer in size to dinosaurs, but dinosaurs with lasers make more sense than a lot of stuff in STO like how we get access to Lockbox ships.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Is this an internet forum?
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
all signs point to yes
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Dinosaurs had feathers. The Voth's creatures do not.
They're used as pack animals, war animals, and from an evolutionary standpoint, a dinosaur's bite and claws would be plenty to end a regular sentient person's life.
Strap some lasers onto what is already an apex predator, genetically modify it to be docile and obedient to its masters, and let it loose.
None of the creatures names were ever actually species of dinosaur. They resemble dinosaur names, but it's purely intentional -- they aren't dinosaurs.
It's like calling Data a human. Just because he was built to resemble a human to great effect, doesn't make Data human. He's an android.
I don't see what's wrong with introducing new ship designs. No one criticized Cryptic for designing the Dhelan or Ha'apax warbirds, since they aren't technically "canon" romulan designs. What about the Atrox, the Orion and Nausicaan ships not featured in canon? You can also go and say Gorn ships aren't canon because they didn't appear onscreen until the TOS Remastered episode that the gorn appeared in.
CBS approves any ship designs that go into the game, whether it's canon or something that is new. No one is going to force you to fly the cryptic designed Tier 6 ships.
Every ship has its fans.
Besides, there are some fairly well known (and popular in some circles) ship configurations that we don't have in game yet; some of those Wolf 359 kitbashes represent them.
Except Neelix's Talaxian Freighter.
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
There's your answer!
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
It's been discussed and More than rejected, because it's a rumor with no basis...
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1162461
4'th quote...
Just because some said they wont be making more, dosen't make it true.
if the team is going only fantasy ship route, then these ships should at least have some aesthetically pleasing designs to them, the federation prefer smooth curved lines and straight lines, look at any typical federation ship, even the steamie, all of it should be added to at least a few federation ship designs the team comes up with, quite recently there has been an influx of hideous ship looks prompting sharp ends and edges on designs.
the klingons should have a sort of smooth curved lines on the bridge and neck sections or in some locations, typically however given that klingon ships are designed tightly around the ship systems instead of for the crews sake, they just get a shelf to sleep on. more often then not the klingon designs have been more successful than expected.
the romulan designs, a few of these have been hit and miss but if canon designs have shown anything that they also run smooth corved lines, and unlike the federation there is the chance to have some sharp edges.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.