Whoa there 'buddy'. Want the best without deserving it? Annoy people who know how to play?
Who are you to decise who deserves what? I've leveled more charcters than most, done more testing than most, but you decide I don't know how to play? You make alot of assumptions for someone so "superior" to other players.
Now, Im fly both level up ships and Zen ships. Yes, I paid CASH money for some of my ships. And even I can see this move as pay to win. Read the blogs. There is no way older (T5) ships will or can be on an equal footing with T6 ships. It clearly ates that even an upgraded T5 ship will not be as good as a T6. When yhou have to pay for something to compete on an equal footing it IS pay to win. Those who pay will win.
Guess I have a problem with stereotypes I created for myself on this game. I don't think that all "money" players are really bad players, but try getting stuck with players that have ZEN ships in Khitomer or even Conduit several times for around an hour, while you don't have any money to spend on the game (and I would want, not bc of my "superiority", but bc I would like to support developers for making one of best Trek games that I can play with my friends)...
I probably wont pay a nickel for this game, but with some grinding, I can get the same ship as you fly with a little grinding and regulary playing the game. Its not PTW if you can get PTW component (ZEN) for free in the game. You didn't have to give your money, and you would still have a way to get your ships.
And im not "superiror" nor I feel that way to players or people that im discussing on this forum. If someone cant understand that if you get close to Donatra, that she will cloak, and if they don't understand it when you say that to them on both chat and voice channels, while they are driving a Scimitar or an Kumari or an Oddy, I guess you would also classify them as bad players.
Well, I think Cryptic will want the new lockbox ships to be "a big hype thing" so they'll most likely be better than T6 or/and T5-U11.
Either by simple sheer stats , or having the new mystery boff seating.
That, and they'll probably have Fleet variants of the T6 ships available to each faction. It's a simple matter of adding the console, +10% hull, +10% shields... and it would sell more Fleet Ship Modules and C-Store ships. Whether this will be gated behind still further Fleet Holdings like the Spire is something to ponder, but the presence of Fleet T6 wouldn't surprise me in the least.
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
That, and they'll probably have Fleet variants of the T6 ships available to each faction. It's a simple matter of adding the console, +10% hull, +10% shields... and it would sell more Fleet Ship Modules and C-Store ships. Whether this will be gated behind still further Fleet Holdings like the Spire is something to ponder, but the presence of Fleet T6 wouldn't surprise me in the least.
Sounds logical. I'm not upset over it, there will be T6 fleet ships, than T7 ships, and T7 fleet ships.....
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
gorngonzolla has said it a couple of times...here is the last time he said it (he's been replying in this thread - can check the dev tracker to see what the devs are saying)...
It's why I've been referring to them as T5-U10s and T5-U11s...cause lol, unlike some - I just can't bring myself to keep typing out T5F-U/T5-FU/etc, lol...it's a trip...lol.
edit2: Doh, I linked the wrong one...let me grab the other quote - brb.
edit3: Here you go...like I said, there's been several replies. My bad for grabbing the wrong one above...there's also more to the replies than just what I quoted.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think there might actually be 3 categories.
T5-U10: upgraded 9 console ships
T5-U11: upgrades of non-fleet grade 10 console ships. (event stuff like Chel Grett)
That, and they'll probably have Fleet variants of the T6 ships available to each faction. It's a simple matter of adding the console, +10% hull, +10% shields... and it would sell more Fleet Ship Modules and C-Store ships. Whether this will be gated behind still further Fleet Holdings like the Spire is something to ponder, but the presence of Fleet T6 wouldn't surprise me in the least.
They have to have T6 Fleet ships otherwise T5-U11 ships will maintain a 10% shield and hull as well as +1 console bonus.
Hell, Fleet variants will bring T6 ships UP to T5-U11 quality in terms of ship stats.
I don't want to step on OP or my fleet mate Liz-Dan' s suggestion, but one thing that may give us some perspective on the new T6 ships would be to give a complimentary T6 starship to all players that way we get the feel for what it would be like to fly one and or invest in others.
I like the trade in option but I don't want to buy what I don't see. Would you buy a car just by its photo? No. You want to test drive that sucker and see if it works for you. This would give
players the opportunity to see how a T6 operates as oppose to your current T5.
This is highly unlikely as Cryptic and PWE are only interested in money, but I thought I would throw that out there.
What about the gear? Cryptic/PWE has been charging us "end game prices" for the past 3 yrs. for our fleet weapons, shields, consoles, etc. I am not going to stand for having to vendor off my mk 12 fleet gear for energy credits- I ground my posterior off for that & anything less than full value on a trade in is not acceptable. This costs them nothing, they loose nothing & they keep vets like me happy. Had they let us set our own prices in our fleet stores, stores that we built, this wouldn't be an issue- but they didn't; they set the prices & charged us end game prices at that. They are out of their minds if they think I'm going to grind all over again for mk 14 fleet gear & vendor off my current mk 12 fleet gear for worthless ec's. Either free upgrades to mk 14 fleet gear or full value trade ins for our current fleet mk 12 gear are the only acceptable options here. That, or no mk 14 gear at all, period. This is why I stopped playing SWOTR & came back to STO to begin with. I didn't put up with it in SWTOR & I'm sure as hell not going to put up with it here. I have had enough grinding.
i spoke to a few fleet friends an they said they not gunna worry bout the level increase, the ships or gear an that its a rip off considering with what some of them have already spent on ships
1 person said once bitten twice shy
another said craptic can stick it after spendin $600 on ships only 4 months ago to find out they are not even getting full t6 upgrade option criptic r killin the game
myself sais i feel sorry for my fleet friends an everyone else out there an craptic are tighta**es an glad i never gave them a dime
totally heartless an no shame when they shudnt b
What about the gear? Cryptic/PWE has been charging us "end game prices" for the past 3 yrs. for our fleet weapons, shields, consoles, etc. I am not going to stand for having to vendor off my mk 12 fleet gear for energy credits- I ground my posterior off for that & anything less than full value on a trade in is not acceptable. This costs them nothing, they loose nothing & they keep vets like me happy. Had they let us set our own prices in our fleet stores, stores that we built, this wouldn't be an issue- but they didn't; they set the prices & charged us end game prices at that. They are out of their minds if they think I'm going to grind all over again for mk 14 fleet gear & vendor off my current mk 12 fleet gear for worthless ec's. Either free upgrades to mk 14 fleet gear or full value trade ins for our current fleet mk 12 gear are the only acceptable options here. That, or no mk 14 gear at all, period. This is why I stopped playing SWOTR & came back to STO to begin with. I didn't put up with it in SWTOR & I'm sure as hell not going to put up with it here. I have had enough grinding.
I'm with you all the way. Ship upgradeability alone is not what's gonna sell this new expansion. I am fully supporting both the options you have provided. They are completely reasonable.
What about the gear? Cryptic/PWE has been charging us "end game prices" for the past 3 yrs. for our fleet weapons, shields, consoles, etc. I am not going to stand for having to vendor off my mk 12 fleet gear for energy credits- I ground my posterior off for that & anything less than full value on a trade in is not acceptable. This costs them nothing, they loose nothing & they keep vets like me happy. Had they let us set our own prices in our fleet stores, stores that we built, this wouldn't be an issue- but they didn't; they set the prices & charged us end game prices at that. They are out of their minds if they think I'm going to grind all over again for mk 14 fleet gear & vendor off my current mk 12 fleet gear for worthless ec's. Either free upgrades to mk 14 fleet gear or full value trade ins for our current fleet mk 12 gear are the only acceptable options here. That, or no mk 14 gear at all, period. This is why I stopped playing SWOTR & came back to STO to begin with. I didn't put up with it in SWTOR & I'm sure as hell not going to put up with it here. I have had enough grinding.
What about the gear? Cryptic/PWE has been charging us "end game prices" for the past 3 yrs. for our fleet weapons, shields, consoles, etc. I am not going to stand for having to vendor off my mk 12 fleet gear for energy credits- I ground my posterior off for that & anything less than full value on a trade in is not acceptable. This costs them nothing, they loose nothing & they keep vets like me happy. Had they let us set our own prices in our fleet stores, stores that we built, this wouldn't be an issue- but they didn't; they set the prices & charged us end game prices at that. They are out of their minds if they think I'm going to grind all over again for mk 14 fleet gear & vendor off my current mk 12 fleet gear for worthless ec's. Either free upgrades to mk 14 fleet gear or full value trade ins for our current fleet mk 12 gear are the only acceptable options here. That, or no mk 14 gear at all, period. This is why I stopped playing SWOTR & came back to STO to begin with. I didn't put up with it in SWTOR & I'm sure as hell not going to put up with it here. I have had enough grinding.
were you aware of a gear upgrade system within our ui that we keep getting glimpses of
within the game? there was this little cost reballance that they provided for the fleet store
gear some right good deal to e had there, so im happy to sit back and wait to see what they come up with before i start letting the inner caveman call the shots..
Incidentally: I would be prepared to re-buy my T5 ship as a full T6 ship, if it came down to that.
Really, all I want is to be able to fly the iconic ships of Star Trek without losing out on the cool new stuff that will come with the T6 ships. I absolutely would pay for a T6 Defiant or Odyssey or Sovereign if it meant getting the full capabilities of a T6.
I don't object to the existence of T6 ships at all. I just want to be able to make them look like the ships I know and love.
The artist formerly known as PlanetofHats.
Actual join date: Open beta, 2009ish.
What about the gear? Cryptic/PWE has been charging us "end game prices" for the past 3 yrs. for our fleet weapons, shields, consoles, etc. I am not going to stand for having to vendor off my mk 12 fleet gear for energy credits- I ground my posterior off for that & anything less than full value on a trade in is not acceptable. This costs them nothing, they loose nothing & they keep vets like me happy. Had they let us set our own prices in our fleet stores, stores that we built, this wouldn't be an issue- but they didn't; they set the prices & charged us end game prices at that. They are out of their minds if they think I'm going to grind all over again for mk 14 fleet gear & vendor off my current mk 12 fleet gear for worthless ec's. Either free upgrades to mk 14 fleet gear or full value trade ins for our current fleet mk 12 gear are the only acceptable options here. That, or no mk 14 gear at all, period. This is why I stopped playing SWOTR & came back to STO to begin with. I didn't put up with it in SWTOR & I'm sure as hell not going to put up with it here. I have had enough grinding.
If the guy down the street gets a shiny new car is yours suddenly worthless? Would you storm off to the dealership and demand they give you a new car for free just because yours isn't the top model anymore? And the idea that new stuff suddenly negates all the benefit you got from using the old stuff and the enjoyment you got from using it is laughable at best.
If the guy down the street gets a shiny new car is yours suddenly worthless? Would you storm off to the dealership and demand they give you a new car for free just because yours isn't the top model anymore? And the idea that new stuff suddenly negates all the benefit you got from using the old stuff and the enjoyment you got from using it is laughable at best.
OMG you are just astonishing. This is virtual reality, not reality. My dual heavy fleet disruptor cannons do not depreciate, like a car does. They are as good as the day I got them. They do not wear out, they do not require maintenance, they do not get old. Your analogy has absolutely no merit whatsoever. Never use a car analogy on a car guy unless you are one yourself & you , obviously, are not a car guy. Think it's time to log off for good & go work on my Porsches (that's right, plural). Better to spend my time & money on them instead of wasting my time on someone as laughable as you.
i spoke to a few fleet friends an they said they not gunna worry bout the level increase, the ships or gear an that its a rip off considering with what some of them have already spent on ships
1 person said once bitten twice shy
another said craptic can stick it after spendin $600 on ships only 4 months ago to find out they are not even getting full t6 upgrade option criptic r killin the game
myself sais i feel sorry for my fleet friends an everyone else out there an craptic are tighta**es an glad i never gave them a dime
totally heartless an no shame when they shudnt b
+1
I have spent heaps too and wont be spending anymore unless they make the tier 5 ships fully upgradeable to tier 6, but even then i will not buy nothing because they can make the lockboxes, lobi and event ships FREE OF CHARGE for upgrades. But why not store ships? I smell money grab, i hope it fails them
I believe God created the universe, because he knew we wanted to explore. So, he made us a playground...
OMG you are just astonishing. This is virtual reality, not reality. My dual heavy fleet disruptor cannons do not depreciate, like a car does. They are as good as the day I got them. They do not wear out, they do not require maintenance, they do not get old. Your analogy has absolutely no merit whatsoever. Never use a car analogy on a car guy unless you are one yourself & you , obviously, are not a car guy. Think it's time to log off for good & go work on my Porsches (that's right, plural). Better to spend my time & money on them instead of someone as laughable as you.
Some people don't get it, and not worth wasting time on
I believe God created the universe, because he knew we wanted to explore. So, he made us a playground...
Doesn't the fact that virtual items dont wear down just make his argument even stronger, because now its impossible to even clam that your car is somehow worse then it was when you got it because of age.
The argument is "my items are just as good as when I first got them!"
So..... why exactly do you need better ones? and why should you be given better ones when you already have perfectly fine working ones already?
Especially when the stuff we already have has already been confirmed to work just fine on the content in DR, including the most challenging content.
I find it bizarre anyone can complain about new things when it's possible to do current end-game content with T4 ships and MK10 gear and still come out fine.
This game doesn't exactly require "le cutting edge" to win.
It really doesn't. Every time they make truly challenging content in the game, people whine that they're too scrubby to complete it, and want it to be made easier for them.
STO is not a difficult game. It never was. It doesn't by any stretch of the imagination require min-maxing in order to win at anything. Maybe in pvp, but lol pvp.
I believe Cryptic when they say our current gear is going to work just fine in DR. Simply because I find it incredibly difficult to believe they'd be willing to make challenging content that the lowest common denominator is unable to complete without mashing his face down on the keyboard, who doesn't know what a phaser relay console is and uses transphasic torp consoles on a rainbow beam boat.
I see A LOT of unhappy people skimming through the thread.
Seems they have one thing in common, being they want to see FULL TIER 6 UPGRADES to all tier 5 and tier 5.5 ships.
The other thing in common, is the fact that lockboxes, lobi and event ships are FREE, but not store.
Where is the harm in upgrading all ships to tier 6 and still release new tier 6 ships? None i can think of. People would still buy the new ones, because they are new.
I would be one of those who would buy the new tier 6 ships, PROVIDING I get full upgrade of my store ships to tier 6 as well because i like some of them, and really, ships like the Dyson science destroyer mega bundle, not even 9 months old yet.
I really hope Cryptic change their minds on this, if not, hope it fails them
I believe God created the universe, because he knew we wanted to explore. So, he made us a playground...
What about the gear? Cryptic/PWE has been charging us "end game prices" for the past 3 yrs. for our fleet weapons, shields, consoles, etc. I am not going to stand for having to vendor off my mk 12 fleet gear for energy credits- I ground my posterior off for that & anything less than full value on a trade in is not acceptable. This costs them nothing, they loose nothing & they keep vets like me happy. Had they let us set our own prices in our fleet stores, stores that we built, this wouldn't be an issue- but they didn't; they set the prices & charged us end game prices at that. They are out of their minds if they think I'm going to grind all over again for mk 14 fleet gear & vendor off my current mk 12 fleet gear for worthless ec's. Either free upgrades to mk 14 fleet gear or full value trade ins for our current fleet mk 12 gear are the only acceptable options here. That, or no mk 14 gear at all, period. This is why I stopped playing SWOTR & came back to STO to begin with. I didn't put up with it in SWTOR & I'm sure as hell not going to put up with it here. I have had enough grinding.
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Guess I have a problem with stereotypes I created for myself on this game. I don't think that all "money" players are really bad players, but try getting stuck with players that have ZEN ships in Khitomer or even Conduit several times for around an hour, while you don't have any money to spend on the game (and I would want, not bc of my "superiority", but bc I would like to support developers for making one of best Trek games that I can play with my friends)...
I probably wont pay a nickel for this game, but with some grinding, I can get the same ship as you fly with a little grinding and regulary playing the game. Its not PTW if you can get PTW component (ZEN) for free in the game. You didn't have to give your money, and you would still have a way to get your ships.
And im not "superiror" nor I feel that way to players or people that im discussing on this forum. If someone cant understand that if you get close to Donatra, that she will cloak, and if they don't understand it when you say that to them on both chat and voice channels, while they are driving a Scimitar or an Kumari or an Oddy, I guess you would also classify them as bad players.
Know the difference
It could save your life...
Also, I bet there will be new Tier 6 Lockbox ships.
Current Lockbox ships will become T5-U11, I would think future one will be as well.
Or do you think those future ships might get the new Specialist Boffs?
Well, I think Cryptic will want the new lockbox ships to be "a big hype thing" so they'll most likely be better than T6 or/and T5-U11.
Either by simple sheer stats , or having the new mystery boff seating.
That, and they'll probably have Fleet variants of the T6 ships available to each faction. It's a simple matter of adding the console, +10% hull, +10% shields... and it would sell more Fleet Ship Modules and C-Store ships. Whether this will be gated behind still further Fleet Holdings like the Spire is something to ponder, but the presence of Fleet T6 wouldn't surprise me in the least.
Sounds logical. I'm not upset over it, there will be T6 fleet ships, than T7 ships, and T7 fleet ships.....
T5-U10: upgraded 9 console ships
T5-U11: upgrades of non-fleet grade 10 console ships. (event stuff like Chel Grett)
T5-U11F: upgrades of 10 console fleet ships.
My character Tsin'xing
They have to have T6 Fleet ships otherwise T5-U11 ships will maintain a 10% shield and hull as well as +1 console bonus.
Hell, Fleet variants will bring T6 ships UP to T5-U11 quality in terms of ship stats.
I like the trade in option but I don't want to buy what I don't see. Would you buy a car just by its photo? No. You want to test drive that sucker and see if it works for you. This would give
players the opportunity to see how a T6 operates as oppose to your current T5.
This is highly unlikely as Cryptic and PWE are only interested in money, but I thought I would throw that out there.
1 person said once bitten twice shy
another said craptic can stick it after spendin $600 on ships only 4 months ago to find out they are not even getting full t6 upgrade option criptic r killin the game
myself sais i feel sorry for my fleet friends an everyone else out there an craptic are tighta**es an glad i never gave them a dime
totally heartless an no shame when they shudnt b
I'm with you all the way. Ship upgradeability alone is not what's gonna sell this new expansion. I am fully supporting both the options you have provided. They are completely reasonable.
Amen Brother!!
Then take a break from MMOs...
Ya, a permanent one.
were you aware of a gear upgrade system within our ui that we keep getting glimpses of
within the game? there was this little cost reballance that they provided for the fleet store
gear some right good deal to e had there, so im happy to sit back and wait to see what they come up with before i start letting the inner caveman call the shots..
Really, all I want is to be able to fly the iconic ships of Star Trek without losing out on the cool new stuff that will come with the T6 ships. I absolutely would pay for a T6 Defiant or Odyssey or Sovereign if it meant getting the full capabilities of a T6.
I don't object to the existence of T6 ships at all. I just want to be able to make them look like the ships I know and love.
Actual join date: Open beta, 2009ish.
If the guy down the street gets a shiny new car is yours suddenly worthless? Would you storm off to the dealership and demand they give you a new car for free just because yours isn't the top model anymore? And the idea that new stuff suddenly negates all the benefit you got from using the old stuff and the enjoyment you got from using it is laughable at best.
OMG you are just astonishing. This is virtual reality, not reality. My dual heavy fleet disruptor cannons do not depreciate, like a car does. They are as good as the day I got them. They do not wear out, they do not require maintenance, they do not get old. Your analogy has absolutely no merit whatsoever. Never use a car analogy on a car guy unless you are one yourself & you , obviously, are not a car guy. Think it's time to log off for good & go work on my Porsches (that's right, plural). Better to spend my time & money on them instead of wasting my time on someone as laughable as you.
+1
I have spent heaps too and wont be spending anymore unless they make the tier 5 ships fully upgradeable to tier 6, but even then i will not buy nothing because they can make the lockboxes, lobi and event ships FREE OF CHARGE for upgrades. But why not store ships? I smell money grab, i hope it fails them
Some people don't get it, and not worth wasting time on
Especially when the stuff we already have has already been confirmed to work just fine on the content in DR, including the most challenging content.
You are absolutely, 100% right.
It really doesn't. Every time they make truly challenging content in the game, people whine that they're too scrubby to complete it, and want it to be made easier for them.
STO is not a difficult game. It never was. It doesn't by any stretch of the imagination require min-maxing in order to win at anything. Maybe in pvp, but lol pvp.
I believe Cryptic when they say our current gear is going to work just fine in DR. Simply because I find it incredibly difficult to believe they'd be willing to make challenging content that the lowest common denominator is unable to complete without mashing his face down on the keyboard, who doesn't know what a phaser relay console is and uses transphasic torp consoles on a rainbow beam boat.
Seems they have one thing in common, being they want to see FULL TIER 6 UPGRADES to all tier 5 and tier 5.5 ships.
The other thing in common, is the fact that lockboxes, lobi and event ships are FREE, but not store.
Where is the harm in upgrading all ships to tier 6 and still release new tier 6 ships? None i can think of. People would still buy the new ones, because they are new.
I would be one of those who would buy the new tier 6 ships, PROVIDING I get full upgrade of my store ships to tier 6 as well because i like some of them, and really, ships like the Dyson science destroyer mega bundle, not even 9 months old yet.
I really hope Cryptic change their minds on this, if not, hope it fails them
cudnt agree more